Dave

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The official description of tonight’s Lost episode is as follows:

Libby lends Hurley support when he begins to think the island is having a strange effect on him, and Locke’s sense of purpose is shaken when the prisoner provides new information about the hatch.

It’s Cecilia filling in for Andreas for another exciting new episode, til he can get out from under his pile of work.

This week continued the tradition of character-focused LOST, this time fleshing out Hurley’s character some more. We all think of him as the happy-go-lucky “Average Joe”, who struggles with being heavyset and some superstition about The Numbers, but does it all with a sense of humor. But this week, we see another side with more depth – this guy has inner demons, too.

Hurley finally gets the guts to confide in Libby about why he hasn’t gotten very far with losing weight on the island, and shows her “his stash”. Libby helps him symbolically confront his eating disorder, as they carefreely destroy the food he’s stored (but was I the only who one kept thinking that if this were realistic, that it might not be such a great idea in a place where food is a limited, rationed resource?). And just as they’re about to kiss, a new point of irony for Hurley, as the rest of the lostaways find the parachute food drop and start dividing up the goods. This definitely reminded me of when Charlie finally makes the difficult decision to give up heroin for good, and turn in the rest of his stash to Locke – only to have heroin “drop down from the sky.” The Last Temptation of Hurley & Charlie anyone?

Meanwhile, back in the hatch, we see the minor subplot that Locke is too proud to go back in a wheelchair, and has chosen to take on crutches. He does not appear to have any interest in sharing the findings of the black light hatch map with anyone, at least not yet. Ana & Sayid play good cop/bad cop with FakeHenry, without much new info to show, except that elements of his story are refuted, and he does partially admit to be working with the Others. At one point, he seems to nearly get Locke back under his manipulative spell; if only for a moment – tells him “This hatch is a joke. I never entered the numbers, and nothing happened.” Do we trust this guy with close to zero credibility, though?

Back outside the hatch, following Hurley, we start seeing a bald character named Dave mysteriously appear on the island in pajamas. He seems to be an old buddy of Hurley’s from back in his institutionalized days, but there’s something else there. We also find out that a huge source of guilt for him is his weight – but not just your typical kind of guilt – he actually believes he is responsible for deaths because of it (he stepped on a deck that collapsed with many people on it)! Dave appears to be a bad influence on Hurley, getting him to steal food, and goading him to escape the hospital ward. Towards the middle of the show, we learn the added twist that Dave is an “imaginary friend”/hallucination, an element of a psychosis that probably was the main reason Hurley got admitted to begin with. In his flashback, he is able to reject this delusion and recover with the help of a just-too-kind-benevolent-to-be-true Dr. Brooks, but when Dave appears on the island, he’s more conniving than ever. There are hints that on-island Dave may be more than just a hallucination.

Dave tells Hurley that its not he who is in his mind and made-up, but rather the life he’s been living since; including the island and everyone on it. He tells him the only way to wake up is to jump off a cliff. Hurley’s saved at the last minute by Libby, who appears to genuinely care for him, and maybe not just in a platonic way only – they finally have a kiss! But in an added end-of-the-show twist-of-twists, it turns out that our own resident psychologist may not be all she claims, either. She is seen in a brief flashback as a neurotic Santa Rosa patient with brown hair.

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58 Responses to Dave

  1. tom says:

    here in australia we are 2 months behind, thank god for p2p (shhh!)

    so henry gale was a surgeon trying to steal claire’s baby – i think charlie impregnated sun

  2. negs says:

    This is so mindblowing. Has there ever been a show that engaged so much thought and emotion? NO. I love this and I love this site.
    I am also wondering if anyone has the link (do not remember where I saw it) that includes theory about losties being from the island to begin with. thanks for any help on this. My husband read the whole thing but lost the linnk, he thinks it is the closest idea ever.
    Ps. Fake Henry scares the hell out of me!

  3. Maurice Tift says:

    Negs is right! Wow – very thought provoking. In the face of all of the doubt and confusion, Eko seems to be building a church. Libby also did a great job convincing Hurley at the end of the show. Excellent show!

  4. rollerdonna says:

    Did anybody else notice that Dr. Brooks said to Hurley, “There were 23 people on that balcony….it was designed for 8…”
    Did you notice the numbers 8 and 23 again?
    Henry, or whoever he is, scares the hell out of me too.
    Love this site, can’t wait to hear what everyone thinks of this week’s episode!

  5. SmileyMe says:

    Hmm, not as mind blowing as the last two episodes, but now we do have to figure out why the heck Libby was in the mental institute. I was hoping they’d do a little bit more about ‘Henry’, but a good episode.

  6. addict to lost. says:

    I think that this episode could have been so much better. I was hoping that they would do more background on the creepy “Henry Gale.” I do have a question for everyone thogh. What do you think triggered Dave to come back. I just don’t understand why he came back right now. So if i could get some feed back that would be awesome! Also, how awesome was it when Hurley attacked Sawyer. Oh my gosh i was cricking up…so was Gin. That was great. I’m so happy that Hurley and Libby are together. I watch Lost with some friends and they all think that Libby is an other. I dont see why. Does anyone else think that? Also, did anyone catch that Hurley went to Sawyer to get medication. However, Sawyer last all the meds to Jack and Hurley knows this because he was watching the poker game last week. Anyways I cant wait to hear what everyone has to say.

  7. Victoria says:

    DID YOU SEE THAT? That was an amzaing episode!

  8. Mike says:

    I don’t know if I’m watching the episode as all you guys but that episode was a major dissapointment. After last weeks incredible episode they spent the entire hour showing us that…. Libby was a mental patient. This is not even a big shock since they’re was a picture of her in the hospital floating around the internet and just about everyone thought there was something weird about her already.
    They spent alot of time on Hurley and didn’t really reveal anything except that he had an imaginary friend. What about aka “Henry Gale”? They should have been interogating him constantly until he revealed SOMETHING! I’m not sure if it’s just because expectations were raised last week or it’s a plan on their part to give us one good episode and then one filler episode but I really hope they pick it up again next week.

    L8r

  9. Johannes says:

    I think that the reason dave came back was Hurly’s obsession with food. Throughout the eppisode Dave is seen as the part of Hurly’s mind that is telling him to eat. At the begining of the episode he has thrown out his stash and is “free” only to find that another shipment of food has arrived. This must have triggered the mental breakdown.

  10. Scott, no Steve says:

    [quote comment=”928″]I think that the reason dave came back was Hurly’s obsession with food. Throughout the eppisode Dave is seen as the part of Hurly’s mind that is telling him to eat. At the begining of the episode he has thrown out his stash and is “free” only to find that another shipment of food has arrived. This must have triggered the mental breakdown.[/quote]
    i agree

  11. Louis says:

    Just because it’s not revealing the mysteries of the island doesn’t make it a bad episode. I enjoy the show for many reasons, one of them being the characters. I thought it was a good episode. Besides, every single episode is important to the overall story so my bet is if you can’t see this episode’s importance now, wait.

  12. Scott, no Steve says:

    WOW that was a great episode(of course hurley if my favorite)!!! so the libby internet picture was real. anyway, is henry lying? i hope not(i have a 50 dollar bet riding on it).

  13. Lostaholic says:

    I think “the man with the beard” Henry talked about is someone known to them/us. Otherwise, why the disguise? I think it’s the lack of Libby’s past exploration (other than the very end assylum thing) that casts suspicion on her as an Other. Was anyone nuts enough to hunt down the translation of the heiroglyphics when they appeared? If so, I am nuts enough to want to know!

  14. V says:

    how does ana lucia know abouth the “man with the beard”. they never saw each other!

  15. luc says:

    I loved this episode, but only because it made me think of many more theories for the show.
    1. they did have a regular life then they all crashed on the island,after a while they were rescued but crazy and now thet are in the asylum remembering their time on the island. (and the flashbacks you see of them on the island are the lives they had before.)
    2.they are all crazy and they all imagine themselves leaving the asylum onto a desserted island (like the one that was in the shrinks office above Hurley) and the flashbacks are their past lives before they went looney.
    im sorry, i have gone on and on. i just have to many funky theories.
    but here are some things i noticed when dave jumped off the cliff he said to hurley “see you in another life” just like the guy in the hatch told jack before he ran off, on the island and in jacks life before the island.
    the other is libby seemed like if she was the one imaging all those things about hurley, then she takes her meds.
    i cant go on this is way too much

  16. Scott, no Steve says:

    [quote comment=”932″]I think “the man with the beard” Henry talked about is someone known to them/us. Otherwise, why the disguise?

    I think it’s the lack of Libby’s past exploration (other than the very end assylum thing) that casts suspicion on her as an Other. Was anyone nuts enough to hunt down the translation of the heiroglyphics when they appeared? If so, I am nuts enough to want to know![/quote]
    check the “one of them” blog on this site for a heiroglyph link

  17. Karen LH says:

    Is it possible that Dave’s reappearance was triggered by Henry’s not pushing the button? Is the “incident” psychic in nature? Also, when Libby said at the end of the episode that she hadn’t seen the slipper, was she telling the truth? I need to rewatch, but I could have sworn that she did see it.

  18. ASW says:

    [quote comment=”929″][quote comment=”928″]I think that the reason dave came back was Hurly’s obsession with food. Throughout the eppisode Dave is seen as the part of Hurly’s mind that is telling him to eat. At the begining of the episode he has thrown out his stash and is “free” only to find that another shipment of food has arrived. This must have triggered the mental breakdown.[/quote]
    i agree[/quote]
    I do agree with both of you, BUT I also think the food obsession along with the NUMBERS being on the island played a role in Hurleys mental crack. Dave told him “this is all made up” you know you have to use the NUMBERS.
    Peace

  19. John says:

    I’m beginning to think that the writers are reading the boards and blogs and writing in clues to support the most popular theories to throw us off… There’s been the theory out there for a while that they are all in a mental institution… the longer the show runs the more of the theories make sense in one way or another. I’m still convinced that the “ultimate theory” is the true main story of the island.

    Great episode… it was a slower one, but there were some good meaty nuggets. I love this show to death.

  20. Tim says:

    Last nights episode was wild. Can anyone remember (or rewatch) to see whether or not the nurse that gave Hurley his meds was Libby? My wife is convinced that the nurse who gave Hurley his meds in the hospital is the same girl (Libby) on the Island. Can anyone of you rewatch and see if this is true or not?

    The one time I don’t tape the show……

    Tim

  21. negs says:

    Could someone post the link to “The Ultimate Theory”?
    Thanks

  22. Lia says:

    I don’t know if anyone else thought of this, but I have a little theory:

    The crazy guy in the asylum who gave Hurley the numbers in the first place – I think the guy used to work for Dharma, on everyone’s favorite island, inputting the numbers. The guy snapped, but somehow got back to civilization, and now he’s in the loony bin, rattling off the numbers that drove him crazy in the first place.

    What does everyone think?

  23. graeme says:

    this morning I thought about the fact that maybe Desmond, when he said “Are you him?” MIGHT have been referring to HIM HIM: the leader of the others, or the program, the guy “henry” is referring to (you know “he’ll kill me”) as opposed to a replacement. The real Henry Gale didn’t sound like he was replacing anyone in that letter to his wife, and sounded more like he was stranded and trying to get off (“Im going to light a signal fire” etc etc)
    I might work….

    and about henry inputting the numbers or not:
    I think he does think that the losties are “a joke” in that he knows what is really going on, and knows that other areas of the island are bad, or much worse, than their area. He knows that they’re able to survive for a reason (I mean, compare them to the tail end plane people) and don’t have too much to contend with (other than the smoke security thingy). I think the other “stations” or experiments on the island are much worse (in any way you can think of: disease, danger, etc) and “henry” knows it…he knows what the buttons do and knows that it isn’t an end of the world type thing, rather something that orders supplies, does other things etc (I mean, Michael used it to talk to Walt) so henry knows that the buttons/computer do other things. He pressed the buttons, but maybe not 4815163223, and maybe something like “disengage security system” or “hey others, Im here and sending Jack and Kate to you so we can make a trade in later episodes”

  24. SmileyMe says:

    [quote comment=”930″]Just because it’s not revealing the mysteries of the island doesn’t make it a bad episode. I enjoy the show for many reasons, one of them being the characters. I thought it was a good episode. Besides, every single episode is important to the overall story so my bet is if you can’t see this episode’s importance now, wait.[/quote]
    I agree! This show’s character development is amazing. This episode didn’t reveal any great mysteries, but it did make a few more.

  25. Cecilia says:

    Wow, a lot of fast responses already. 🙂 I’ll probably post more thoughts later.

    And as far as the show goes… I agree with those that said the show can be engaging without resolving mysteries directly. The backstories are not about instant gratification… I think they are a “setup” for future shows which have more explanation. There are interconnections everywhere, and I think we saw some this week! I’m still wondering when Locke’s mom will come in (Santa Rosa admissions).

    negs–Here’s a link to where andrew originally posted his ultimate theory on the numbers forum:
    http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7712
    Some parts have been discredited since his writing of it… but it doesn’t negate the fact that it’s a great theory, one of the best.

    I am thinking of tomorrow maybe making a post on Hurley’s psychosis & “Dave” also… I can contribute some more thoughts on the subject because I’m a psychiatry resident who has worked in mental health institute settings before, and prescribed medication for psychotic patients.

  26. newtoo says:

    [quote comment=”923″]Did anybody else notice that Dr. Brooks said to Hurley, “There were 23 people on that balcony….it was designed for 8…”
    Did you notice the numbers 8 and 23 again?
    Henry, or whoever he is, scares the hell out of me too.
    Love this site, can’t wait to hear what everyone thinks of this week’s episode![/quote]

    …or that it meant 15 extra people were on it? another one of the numbers.

  27. Dave-O says:

    I’m just tickled they titled an episode after me 🙂

  28. graeme says:

    my friend sent this to me:

    “I think “fake Henry” is telling Locke
    exactly what happened and what he did (or more accurately didn’t do).
    Now here’s my conjecture on the “enter the numbers” deal. Everyoneassumes this is how the “system” was designed … i.e. every 108 minutes you enter the numbers and press the button. I think this whole “enter the numbers and press the button” is a “computer hack”. The NORMAL operation of the system, the way it was designed to work by the people who built it, is for automatic “operations” to occur every 108 minutes completely unattended. What kind of operations. Well some type of operation that involves the hatch generating a very large EMP (electromagnetic pulse).

    Why? you ask — hey I didn’t say I had ALL the answers. When “fake Henry” didn’t enter the numbers (and I maintain he didn’t) the “electromagnetic humming sound” was the hatch going through it’s normaloperation and reseting the 108 minute clock. Still don’t know what the hieroglyphics signify.

    Someone hacked it to stop those operations from happening. That someone was probably KELVIN (the guy before Desmond). By entering the numbers you are in fact disrupting the NORMAL operation of the hatch (clue — no one designs the normal operation of a system to require human intervention by a single person every 1 hr 48 min. no matter how convoluted a “it’s psycho/endurance test for the hatch resident” theory you come up with. It no wonder Desmond was a little crazy. Never more
    that 1 hr 48 min of sleep at a time for 3 years!!!! Sheesh!
    Walt is trying to warn the Losties that the “hack” they are unwisely perpetuating based on …. on what? … Desmond’s testimony about the whole set up? is a BAD THING. The “hack” is keepng something from happening that should be happening, that needs to happen, but that has not been happening since the “hack” was started. Whoever decided to “hack” the system at Swan originally created the current situation (crashing planes, etc.). What their motives were for doing that will become clear.

    Fake Henry is wrong though when he says “this is a joke”. He is as ignorant of the real function of the Swan hatch operations as the Losties. When we encounter Walt again, Walt will explain why “the button’s bad”.

    In broad terms I think the Swan is a “shield generator” for the island. Once “hacked” it stopped generating the shield and the “powers” began to escape from the island into the “real world” causing —- in a nut shell

    — all type of strange sh_t to happen.”

  29. Lesley says:

    I agree graeme and that is why there was a need to cut the film up and hide it elsewhere. I hope John finds the rest of the tape so we can see the real function of the hatch.

    AL probably knew about the bearded guy because she talks to Jack. But it seems Kate has not yet shared her discovery of the costumes with the group so they do not know he does not really have a beard. (Unless they are screwing with him.)

    My favorite line was when faux Henry said that God could not see the island…CREEPY!!! Great epi, can’t wait to review again for all the clues and to see everyone’s thoughts.

  30. Arattilion says:

    [quote comment=”951″]Last nights episode was wild. Can anyone remember (or rewatch) to see whether or not the nurse that gave Hurley his meds was Libby? My wife is convinced that the nurse who gave Hurley his meds in the hospital is the same girl (Libby) on the Island. Can anyone of you rewatch and see if this is true or not?

    The one time I don’t tape the show……

    Tim[/quote]

    No Tim it wasn’t Libby, remember that Libby is in the room with Hugo when he gets the pic with “Dave” at the end of the episode. Something very intriguing for me as a personal way to see it, its that WE ALL the fans who write or even make theories about the show are becoming more and more part of it, I’m beggining to think that WE are part of this experiment because many this Ive read are happening like some of u guys said. The Hanso website maybe will be some sort of centralazied way to interact the show with us. Is kind of weird, but all the theories are beggining to join into one, nice one GRAEME, the Swan is definitely a EMP generator, some of the blast door maps suggest that the there is a climate experiment going on on the island, haven’t u noticed there is now rain in the whole island at the same time… Its very sunny in one side an in the other side is rainy as hell… This is kind some kind of weird show to make us looney like Hurley, but damn I love it!!!

  31. Court says:

    Did anyone notice in the beginning of the episode when the additional food was found that random people came running up to it? I hadn’t seen most of those people before (besides Sawyer) and thought that was strange…

    Anyone else think that Hurley already knew about that additional food?

  32. Cowbell1975 says:

    I noticed the picture in the Dr’s office also, and thought it a strange connection.

    Henry (for lack of a different name we’ll contiue to call him that) is a serial liar that will never tell the truth, because in his head he IS telling the truth, at least as he sees it. Remember what Rousseau said about him lying….maybe she knows him?

    The theory about the inputting of the numbers KEEPING something good from happening is interesting….I had thought about that before, and I think Jack has those same thoughts. Sooner or later (probably sooner), Locke is going to let the numbers run down and see what happens, for better or worse.

    This is the most fascinating show I have ever watched!!! I have never gotten so involved in show before.

    KC

  33. jim says:

    Another great episode. Maybe not as mind-blowing as the previous but fun nonetheless. From a character point of view, it may be one of my favorites.

    I don’t know what to make of the shot of Lilly at the end. Yes, it could mean we are to pour over this for a while. I am more inclined to think that it was put in to show that she is not an Other, as she has aroused a lot of suspicion lately. It may be there to show that she can actually be trusted. In other words, she sympathizes because she’s been there, she’s beaten it and she knows Hurley can too. The part that did bother me about it is that it is not really part of Hurley’s flashback. It just sort of is there, on it’s own, at the end. I don’t recall the producers doing that in any of the past episodes. A little odd.

    As for Locke and the map, I think he will tell someone, but only one person. I don’t have a guess who that will be.

    As far as the whole Henry and the numbers thing (which I couldn’t find in your recap Cecilia???) some other things occurred to me.

    We tend to think of the timer being reset every 108 minutes, but that really isn’t so. Consider: the timer gets reset to 108 and starts counting down. With 3-4 minutes left, the alarm goes off and someone enters the numbers. The timer resets to 108. The actual time elapsed between resets was less than 108 minutes. It could be anywhere between 105-108 minutes between the reset. Probably doesn’t mean anything other than I have too much time on my hands.

    I’ve also seen the idea floating around that it is okay for the timer not to be reset during lockdown. This is an interesting theory as well. Perhaps the “incident” has something to do with both the timer and the blast doors. Whatever happens when the timer isn’t pushed is okay, because the occupants are protected by the blast doors. Only they weren’t this time! Adding to that, if Henry really didn’t enter the numbers, maybe that was ok this time or something did happen that isn’t obvious (obvious in the sense that the world didn’t end). Some time has elapsed from when Henry didn’t enter the numbers and the timer reset, and when he actually tells Locke that. He got further tortured it seems by Sayid, Locke got worked on by Jack, the sun came up and the vultures found the food drop. Since no one knew yet that Henry didn’t key the numbers, somebody else has been doing it. And everything is just fine again. Of course, the whole “you don’t need to enter the numbers during lockdown theory” assumes that Locke was on the right side of the blast doors.

    I also am fond of debunking my own theories (it’s a sickness, just like Hurley). If this is an experiment, maybe this hatch is the placebo. Another hatch with a computer (the one Walt was at, if we believe that story line) is the REAL hatch. Nothing happens at the Swan hatch whether you enter the code or not. I am not a scientist, but as understand it, experiments need a control group and a placebo group, and the placebo group unknowingly gets the sugar pill.

    “HIM” showed up again. Could it be that Henry doesn’t know who “HIM” really is? The phrase has always been used in reference to an unknown male person. Desmond asks Locke “Are you HIM?” Helen asks Locke’s Dad, who we are left to presume she has never met, “Are you HIM?” Now Henry is talking about “HIM”. I don’t think Henry knows who “HIM” is. Maybe none of the Others know who “HIM” is. Maybe there is no “HIM”.

    And finally, for those of you like me with too much time on your hands, or if you just want a good laugh:

    The numbers: 4+8+15+16+23+42 = 108 (yes, we know that)
    How about reversed: 24+32+61+51+8+4 = 180

    Added as such: 4+8+1+5+1+6+2+3+4+2 = 36

    36 x 3 = 108

    4x8x1x5x1x6x2x3x4x2 = 46080

    4+6+0+8+0 = 18

    Thank you, drive thru.

  34. Dan says:

    Ok i realize this is from last weeks episode (lockdown) but here me out. check it. entertainment weekly has a great diagram of the hatch door map along with some cool key points. However one thing went over looked. The circled big points on the map all represent various hatches. The Swan (our hatch) says i am here. There’s another above the swan with a symbol i couldn’t make out. we see the staff, the one from maternity leave above that. On the right they both have question marks so that means the map maker didn’t know about The Arrow (the tailies hatch). However the overlooked thing is this…the name of the hatch at the top of the map, almost completely cut off by the top of the screen, is called…Aaron. How interesting.

  35. Matt says:

    Was Dave telling the truth, was Dave a figment of Hurley’s imagination or is all the stuff he is saying true. Is everyone’s story just the imagination of Hurley and he really is stuck inside the mental hospital. This may explain why they are all connected and the numbers show up everywhere. Also he may have imagined Libby on the island when he had seen her in real life in the mental hospital. This could be like the movie “identity” in which all the characters in the story are connected became they are just different aspects of the same person. That is also why Hurley can speak Korean in the dream sequence maybe. This is most likely completely off and would be sort of a lazy end to the show but it is fun to think about.

  36. jim says:

    Dan, see my post under the Lockdown thread. I thought similiar but Cecilia disagreed. After looking at it extensively, I must admit, it seems more like ARROW than AARON. I actually thought it looked more like ARRON. The one above to the left of the Swan is THE FLAME. Of course the problem with all this is some words appear differently on different people’s maps. If you take the word in the writing to the left of the “I AM HERE.” Is the word VACENCETTI or VALENLETTI or VALENCETTI? I’ve seen it all three ways.

  37. jim says:

    Wow Dan, I flipped over to the Lockdown thread and you were already there. It’s like we’re on the same island or something…

  38. n says:

    After reading all of your comment I don’t think anyone else posted about seeing the imaginary friend thing coming a mile away. I for one have seen too many movies like Fight Club to miss anything like that anymore, so I was a little disappointed there.

    I also woulda figured Libby to be a nurse there and not a patient! I agree with whoever said the ending seemed tacked on, because they don’t usually start with another character at the end of an episode. That’s strange…

    I wonder why they didnt interrogate ‘Henry’ more, you’d think after all they found out (two HUGE lies in a row from this guy) that theyd let Sayid go at him.

    I for one am loving all the “Are you him?” connections… This show is like one long twisted game of Clue!

    -N

  39. Bill says:

    [quote comment=”919″]This is so mindblowing. Has there ever been a show that engaged so much thought and emotion? NO. I love this and I love this site.
    I am also wondering if anyone has the link (do not remember where I saw it) that includes theory about losties being from the island to begin with. thanks for any help on this. My husband read the whole thing but lost the linnk, he thinks it is the closest idea ever.
    Ps. Fake Henry scares the hell out of me![/quote]

  40. addict to lost. says:

    Lostaholic Try and follow my here my boyfriends moms friends son went online and translated the hyroglifics to mean a command “to die.”

  41. addict to lost. says:

    [quote comment=”933″]how does ana lucia know abouth the “man with the beard”. they never saw each other![/quote]
    Sorry i dont remember her every talking about him. When did she say that?

  42. Aut says:

    okay…i found out sone interesting stuff about DAVE…so if u look at the scene when the DR. took the pic of hurley and dave…outside it is sunny there is a man behind them reading, and a lamp and n te table s the celery(close to hurey)…but when the dr.sits down with hurley and is lik look ur a maniac ur friend dave aint real and shows hurley his picture…in the picture there is obvisouly NO dave…but it is dark outside there is no man behind the and no lam and the elery moved across the able….i know this is far fetched but would if hte doctor with hurley was also libby’s doctor and he like killeddave off and took a picture of hurley without him knowing and is messing with hurleys head that he has a friend who aint real…and consider in the DR. office hanging on the wall is a framed paper that sys dharma initiative…I LOVE LOST

  43. Scott, no Steve says:

    DAVE IS REAL!!! i was rewatching the episode and i noticed that the doctor talks to dave directly!!!first photo shoot!!!

  44. Bill says:

    [quote comment=”987″]DAVE IS REAL!!! i was rewatching the episode and i noticed that the doctor talks to dave directly!!!first photo shoot!!![/quote]
    I would have to disagree.
    The doctor has enough history to know that Hurley sees Dave. The doctor heard Hurley refer to Dave being present and the direction to which he was sitting (Hurley nods). The doctor and Dave never have a conversation, he just asks how he is doing, proceeding in to the next topic quickly (almost cutting off Dave). When the doctor takes the picture and requests that they sit closer together, Hurley is the one to move.

    My question is what “brand” is the camera? Have a good one.

  45. Scott, no Steve says:

    [quote comment=”1000″][quote comment=”987″]DAVE IS REAL!!! i was rewatching the episode and i noticed that the doctor talks to dave directly!!!first photo shoot!!![/quote]
    I would have to disagree.
    The doctor has enough history to know that Hurley sees Dave. The doctor heard Hurley refer to Dave being present and the direction to which he was sitting (Hurley nods). The doctor and Dave never have a conversation, he just asks how he is doing, proceeding in to the next topic quickly (almost cutting off Dave). When the doctor takes the picture and requests that they sit closer together, Hurley is the one to move.[/quote]
    oh well, i guess i jus saw wrong. thanks for pointing that out.

  46. Cecilia says:

    Interesting to read the responses, still a lot of good debate going on (I try to read almost all of the replies but don’t always have time to reply). Just quickly – jim, I think you meant Henry saying he didn’t input the numbers. Thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten that one, and added it in. Part of the issue with writing a quick synopsis is – we have to try and fit it in a format for the blog, where most will fit on the front page. Andreas has even more concise summaries than mine, LOL… but I agree, that is a key point, and that’s why I edited in the hatch subplot.

    On the numbers themselves, I’ve gotten to the point where I almost block them out when I see them, hehe. For example, the numbers also appear in the doctor’s retelling of Hurley’s deck accident, and a few other places. From their ambiguous comments on the podcasts, I’m not sure how much their appearance in individual scenes matter for the story, but of course they are a fun pickup, just like the Oceanic logo on the plane. In this particular episode, I just didn’t see a lot of “real” Easter Eggs, and I think some were looking too hard.

    Incidentally, another one was picked up from the promo shots which were not aired on last week’s showing of “Lockdown”. On the fuel engines of the balloon (not shown within the show itself, unfortunately), the tank says “Widmore” (same as the pregnancy test). Found at Sledge’s site again: http://www.lost.cubit.net (click on investigations).

  47. Wolvy56 says:

    Libby was not the nurse who gave Hurley the meds. I have DVR and tape every episode. I looked back for you. NOT even close. BTW anyone notice that Dave talks just like Hurley? Dude and Man are a staple. For this reason I firmly believe that Dave isn’t real and is Hurley’s Id or alter ego.

  48. mikey says:

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  49. Cecilia says:

    Wolvy: Someone else brought up the “nurse is Alex” idea elsewhere, and I agree with you, they look nothing alike (and it wouldn’t make sense for the storyline, since in the flashback, Alex’s age would be 5 or less, most likely). Confirmed with actress credits (though I’m not sure why it needed to be… the two just are very dissimilar). IMHO, “Dave” was an episode with few Easter Eggs, and people are stretching a bit to find stuff that may not be there.

  50. Scott, no Steve says:

    when hurley is fighting saywer(saywer got his butt kicked!!! 🙂 ), did anyone catch what he was shouting, it sounded latin(the door).

  51. frenchy_florims says:

    Waouh, I’ve just seen the Dave episode, I really think it’s the best one in season two for now.
    Actually, I think this is the most frightening episode in season 2. I totally thought Dave was real (crasy sleeper !!!!) until the doctor shwos the picture … this was really really scary !

    There was also a lot of suspense cause I really believed that Hurley could have committed suicide, you know this would have been mindblowing !

    I totally agree with the personn who said Henri told the truth when he said nothing happenned with the hatch : this looks too obvious that we are expected to think he’s lying !
    I am guessing Henri could become an ally soon, thanks to Locke. Anyway I am sure the whole cliffhanger will be about Henri, and the hatch exploding, and the others incoming.

    I am really hooked to this show, this is my favorite show ever (after 24 and Friends of course …), but it’s definitely better than X-files.

    See u !

  52. SmileyMe says:

    Hurly was shouting all the names Sawyer has called between each punch. ex: lardo.

  53. Brian says:

    Reading the posts in the ‘Do you belive in Fate” thread has crystalized some of my own thoughts about the meaning of the pre-crash connections of our main characters… specifically, what if this interconnectedness is not part of any human “master plan,” but truly a manifestation of Fate?
    The Hanso Foundation and its DHARMA Initiative may (almost certainly DOES) have a long range plan or goal, and may have caused the crash of Flight 815 to further these plans/goals, but it’s the designs of Fate that have brought this specific group together. It’s this group, and thier specific connections/strengths/weakenesses/whatever that will lead to the downfall of the DHARMA Initiative (or maybe to its fullfillment). Fate is the wild card, the X-factor, that the humans of the D.I. can’t control.

    “Man proposes, God disposes.”

    On a related note, I just can’t believe any human agency could cause the kind of plane wreck we witnessed (and we did witness the plane breaking up) and be able to control who, if anyone, survived. If that’s what turns out to have happened, then we’ve moved into the realm of the supernatural. So far, nothing that’s happened can’t be explained in a rational, scientific way (although the black smoke of the presumed Cerberus system skirts it, perhaps).

  54. docter giggles says:

    when (well, we need to find a name for him besides fake henry, so how about that lieing sneaking wretch) anyway, he is quite possebly the most deadly other that has been encounterd, and every time they go to check on him, i think they’ll just find a hole in the wall and no “henry”

  55. Georgette says:

    The TV Guide checked out the hieroglyphics with museums and found the meaning to be “Prepare to die”.

  56. Andreas says:

    What I’m wondering is why the message “prepare to die” is written in hieroglyphics if it is meant to be read and understood by the person/s in the hatch. I really don’t think egyptians built the island so the logical thing would be for the message to be written in english if it was meant to communicate with the persons in the hatch.

  57. Anon says:

    I always imagined that the symbols were more important than their translation. Maybe they’re a failsafe code of some sort to be activated in an emergency, as in no one pushes the button, up pops “bird reed squiggle” on the counter and the experimenters have to enter it to rest the experiment/turn off the monster/what have you.

    If it’s true, then there’s another entry pad or a numerical code book we haven’t seen yet that translates the symbols. I’m curious whether henry (if he was telling the truth at all) saw the same set of symbols. This is, of course, way out there.

  58. traci says:

    have we considedered they are all dead? new to site and from watching the past two years, seems to be where they are going. they can go on for years in this alternate universe

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