Equations from the Map

Well, some of the dust has settled since the discovery of the blast door map in “Lockdown”. Almost all the English & Latin has been read and translated (see below).

I wanted to share with you some stuff I’ve been delving into a little deeper with lately. With a lot of the original map translated now, I noticed that the equations are neglected by almost everyone due to their complexity (and some early resolution problems). Apparently, however, Lostpedia has had a crack team of engineers and physicists working on this as well (check link for details).

I’ve taken a small view of the map and drawn out sections A-F, which have math or physics equations and notation, and will try to explain this for people without a science background. As many of you know, this is not my personal field, but I have a grasp of what is being discussed, and thought I’d focus on that for what average LOST viewers might want to know about the implications of these equations. Please see the Lostpedia link for more detailed discussion of the math & physics in solving the equations; or click on “Read more of this entry” for my briefer summary.

Overall Map for Reference (A-F boxed)
Equation A
Equation B
Equation C
Equation D
Square Roots from E
Coordinates F

Bottom Line for Non-Science/Math-Oriented Folks:

1) At least 2 (likely 3) of the formulas have to do with measuring very strong electromagnetic fields. Couple this with other clues: HansoFoundation.org mentioned “research in sophisticated weapons systems”; and FakeHenry said he heard the sounds of a large magnet (capacitor?) powering up. Could a giant laser/EM beam be the “secret weapon” that is hidden at the circled “?” in the center of the map? My speculation only, not irrefutably proven canon from anything in the map.

2) There are coordinates for something having to do with The Numbers.

3) There’s a possible allusion to pentagons (72 degrees in Trigonometry Equation A) & the Golden Ratio/Fibonacci series (which shows up elsewhere in the show). For those who have seen the movie “Pi”, you will appreciate the significance (also, the director, Aranofsky, was asked to guest-direct an episode of LOST, so we know there is a relation there).


Equation A
s = 2r cos 72°
= r ∙ (√5 – 1)/2

w = 2s cos 72° = 4r cos² 72° = r ∙ [(√5 – 1)/2]²

Equation B
H defines a magnetic field vector. The formula is a derivation of Maxwell’s Equation.

Equation C
B measures magnetic flux density. The formula is a modified derivative of Biot-Savart.

Equation D
The toughest to read, unfortunately, as this equation is cut off from the rest of the high res map. T is likely for Tessla here, as it appears immediately above “High potential for R.V.S.” (alternatively, could be for temperature in Kelvin). Tentatively, ideas have been put forth that it is a measure of an “extremely strong magnetic anomaly on the island”, with almost preposterously high field strengths. Suggestions are that it reads: “Bin => G × 10^2 T” and “Be => B × 10^2 T” (or higher, we can’t read the powers).

Square Roots from E
The simplest one on there, not really a formula; obviously the square roots are the first 3 Numbers in the series (4, 8, 15), so I’m not going to discuss it much. I just don’t know if there’s any significance to it being in root form aside from the geek-cool factor. It was questioned why they did not extend the pattern for the remaining Numbers; perhaps this has meaning?

Coordinates F
The first 3 Numbers appear here as Cartesian coordinates on 3 axes (x, y, z). There have even been suggestions of extending this pattern into Hilbert Space (important in Quantum Mechanics & wormhole theory), but it’s somewhat problematic.

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37 Responses to Equations from the Map

  1. Jim says:

    For weeks now I considered a theory to explain everything on lost. I knew it was similar to something I already watched and then it hit me; Time Bandits! Yes, that’s right, this entire show is the creative fantasy of either a teenager or young adult (the creator) either intentionally or by force in a room with limited play things making up a fantasy world. The books referenced (One flew over the cuckoo’s nest, Wizard of Oz) all high school age reading. The magnetic equations, etc…High school physics / electronics. My favorite explanation: How does a polar bear wind up on the island? It’s the only toy animal he/she has in the room! Why do all of these characters lives interact prior to the island? Because when you have limited toys to play with you have to reuse characters very creatively.
    Before you doubt this; watch Time Bandits and notice the last scene where the fireman steps on a chess board as he rescues the child from the burning house. On the chess board you can see all of the characters from the movie.
    The beauty of this, from the writer’s perspective, is that it really does not have to end or really go anywhere. It is the real-time imagination of the creator who is NOT on the island. The end is when you reveal the imaginative creator. Everything else is just creative meanderings that could go on for years.
    Remember, feaux Gale says God doesn’t even know where they are. That is because they, and the island only exist in the creator’s head. When they refer to the mysterious “he” is that the creator? Why were costumes on the island? Because they are toys the creator has in his/her room. Period. The numbers will probably be revealed as nothing more than something the creator sees in their room; a sign or perhaps a homework assignment. Something ironically meaningless.
    I’ll keep watching lost; but I’m just waiting for the fireman to stomp on the chessboard.

    Jim

  2. Cecilia says:

    Interesting theory, Jim, but curious… how do the equations on the map support this? Most of them are not high school level at all. The middle two are upper level college to graduate level physics equations.

  3. jimseas(formerly jim) says:

    “Thanks Cecilia” [picks up brain that fell on floor while reading above post].

    In all seriousness, very interesting and compelling.

    I am not the “Jim” that posted above but I have posted as “Jim” on different threads in the past. For the future, I’ve changed to “Jimseas” which you would also find me registered as on the abc boards.

  4. SmileyMe says:

    Interesting theory, but “Remember, feaux Gale says God doesn’t even know where they are. That is because they, and the island only exist in the creator’s head.” that isn’t quite right because God can see everything, including what’s going on in our brains.

  5. Jim says:

    [quote comment=”1103″]…that isn’t quite right because God can see everything, including what’s going on in our brains.[/quote]
    Even if the person imagining the events does not believe in God? So, now I will add to my theory that the person is of college age, well read in the studies of electomagnetic fields and Atheist to boot. 🙂

  6. Cecilia says:

    I’m still scratching my head at the idea of two Jims. Bad twins?

  7. SmileyMe says:

    Well, the person can beleive that got can’t see them, but He still does, he sees all and loves all, even the ones who don’t beleive in him.

  8. SmileyMe says:

    Opps…. that *God cant see them

  9. jimseas says:

    Ha Cecilia! For a minute I actually thought of changing my name to “Other Jim” but then I thought, “No, too cheesy.”

    Smiley: I think there may have been two points that my bad twin was getting at: 1. if the person that makes the statement doesn’t believe in God, then the idea is irrelevant to them. 2. it is in reference to events that Henry has experienced on the island, a feeling of desperation, commonly found in statements like “How could a just God let these things happen?” To some one of faith, this is simply answered with the idea that the plan of God is unknowable to humans. However if faith in God is supplanted in some way, like brainwashing for instance, it could be suggested to them that God had indeed forgotten about that place or that God is unable to see it and thus has no power there.

    I would caution anyone in taking a literal meaning in Henry’s statement, as it seemed to me to be one of desperation and suggested that God couldn’t see the island and had no power there b/c someone else was acting as God for the island. It will be interesting to see how Eko’s storyline plays out in this regard.

  10. Cecilia says:

    If you were Other Jim, people might start accusing you of being part of the conspiracy. Maybe you should be “Jim, not Jim” (like “Scott, no Steve”)…

  11. frenchy_florims says:

    Oh my god cecilia I didn’t understand anything in your post : can we watch Lost and be a sucker at mathematics ?

    Anyway, I was thinking about latest episode, and I really think Libby is a at least a swindler and maybe an “other”. Because how is it possible she is a psychologist (like she pretends) and also had a stay in a lunatic asylum ?!
    I mean shrinks are supposed to be really steady in their mind (aren’t they ?), otherwise they can’t help people ! And this asylum was so weird we can legitimately imagine it is part of the Hanso conspiracy …

    you know it made me sad to learn that you had health problems, I really hope it’s no big deal, that you don’t suffer and that you will be ok very soon. Anyway the good point is that instead of being helpful for your patients, you share your great knowledge with us !

    See u !

  12. SmileyMe says:

    [quote comment=”1119″]Ha Cecilia! For a minute I actually thought of changing my name to “Other Jim” but then I thought, “No, too cheesy.”

    Smiley: I think there may have been two points that my bad twin was getting at: 1. if the person that makes the statement doesn’t believe in God, then the idea is irrelevant to them. 2. it is in reference to events that Henry has experienced on the island, a feeling of desperation, commonly found in statements like “How could a just God let these things happen?” To some one of faith, this is simply answered with the idea that the plan of God is unknowable to humans. However if faith in God is supplanted in some way, like brainwashing for instance, it could be suggested to them that God had indeed forgotten about that place or that God is unable to see it and thus has no power there.

    I would caution anyone in taking a literal meaning in Henry’s statement, as it seemed to me to be one of desperation and suggested that God couldn’t see the island and had no power there b/c someone else was acting as God for the island. It will be interesting to see how Eko’s storyline plays out in this regard.[/quote]
    I agree, if you don’t beleive in God it’s impossible to immagine that he can see your thoughts. I think that Henry has been through some frightening things and is making the ‘How can God let this happen’ statemnt.

  13. violet says:

    sorry if i’m posting somewhat off topic. some great posts on here (and also some not-so-great posts). egad with the equations! i think they’re just like the numbers — something for the fan(atic)s to play with but will only go around in circles. i liked that one guy’s theory about DAVE being real. this whole mental hospital thing is part of so many of the characters’ lives, that it’s hard not seeing it playing a bigger part, especially with the zoom on the island painting in the doctor’s office. there definitely seems to be something fishy going on — what did the camera say? where is the paper that said dharma initiative in the doctor’s offce? i missed both. but let’s not forget that jack is a neurosurgeon. and santa rosa — saint rose, anybody?

  14. Lesley says:

    Wow! I am not sure I got all that but it is very interesting nonetheless. It appears the equations are attempts to explain what the island is or its properties. Seems the numbers connect with the natural order of the universe in some manner. The island has attracted passersby for many years…long before DHARMA as a natural phenom, maybe it is a gateway to another dimension or time as well. Perhaps a long dead inhabitant (Hanso) was able to connect with the future and eventually the DHARMA team deliberately ventured to the island as a result of that connection in order to check out the possibility of using the island’s powers. I am guessing the “island” or the special powers it possesses are stronger than anyone contemplated. In the meantime, the island continues to attract inhabitants. (Experimental subjects – free of charge!) It appears “the Others” are using DHARMA’s abandoned facilities to continue research so, they continue to use the folks that wash up or crash. Do the Others research the backgrounds of crash victims and that is why they need names, etc.? That would help determine how they use the new inhabitants. Faux Henry may be an unwilling Other (like Rousseau’s daughter) who wound up there like the Losties. He was recruited or scared into spying, stealing the baby, or ??. Seems like he wants Locke to stop pushing the button for some reason. Maybe the Others need the Swan’s hidden treasures. I keep changing my mind about whether the Others and DHARMA are the same people.

    It is interesting too, that the Lost group have a doctor, dentist, cop, psychologist (assuming she is), fisherman, hunter, art historian (possible ancient map translator, etc. – ready made society.

    And why have the Others let Rousseau wander around for 16 years and where the heck are Michael, Walt, Desmond and Cindy? Beats me but I love this show!

    Does anyone else dream about this stuff?

  15. Scott, no Steve says:

    [quote comment=”1133″]
    …It is interesting too, that the Lost group have a … art historian (possible ancient map translator…[/quote]

    i may sound really stupid, but who was the art historian

  16. Cecilia says:

    florims, yeah, in theory, you should be somewhat stable (mentally) before you help others… “physician, heal thyself” sort of stuff. 😉 I will say that shrinks have a reputation for being a little wacky themselves… and I wouldn’t be able to (or want to) disprove that…

    violet (who if I could just embarrass you for a sec… Hey everyone, this is my cousin, and she knows my obsession with the movie “Pi” because we just watched it together last week..) – Dunno who made the suggestion, but I’m pretty sure there’s no paperwork that proves a connection between the Dr. & DHARMA in the files. I’ve seen screencaps at lost-media.net and others are welcome to look through those also. If people are going to make a suggestion of a connection, please be specific and provide a link so that we can double check this!! There’s enough rumors going on the web as it is. This is not to say there is NO connection, I really believe the Dr is more than he seems also… but let’s just not talk about proof that no one can substantiate.

    violet, the Santa Rosa/Saint Rose idea is great… never thought of that.

    Lesley: YES…. I had a dream about this a few weeks. Taking my obsession to the next level, so to speak. 😀 In my dream, I was Kate, and for some reason built a hangglider to survey the island from above, based on an old map I found. Based on some ruins I found, I had a “revelation” in the dream that I was in the Hawaii of the distant future (very Planet-of-the-Apes-ish). Silly now that I think of it, and that I had dreams to begin with. But at least I’ll admit to being this nutty… LOL.

    Sceve: I’m suspecting she meant Sun, who studied Art History in college at Seoul University? Michael is an artist, also, but probably not art history.

    Oh, and BTW everyone, decided to shorten what is seen on the front page of the article slightly, since I don’t think everyone’s interested in the equation details. Also, new show starting tonight, gotta make room!

  17. Lesley says:

    Cecilia is correct I was referring to Sun as the art historian. I am so ready for tonight’s show and tomorrow’s blog!

  18. violet says:

    ack. if i keep getting embarassed like that, i’m gonna change my name. 😉 keep you on your toes. btw, michael is an architect.

  19. Scott, no Steve says:

    thank you

  20. Jim ("New Jim"...sorry about that!) says:

    Does anyone still have the Mental hospital episode on Tivo / DVR? I deleted mine and I was curious to freeze the basketball game. I want to see if any of the players can be identified as other Island inhabitants.

  21. Superdave says:

    Hey guys, On last nights episode (the ending scene), kate and the good doctor ran into Michael. Michael had told them that he saw the others building an ARC. Maybie thats why they have a Doctor, Dentist, art historian, Psychologist, fisherman, cop, criminal, etc. stranded on the island. The others seem to be trying to start their type of new Society (re-populating) with these chosen few. HMMMM!! crazy huh

  22. SmileyMe says:

    Micheal didn’t say anything in the endig scene, he came out of the jungle yelling and grunting uninteligably and then the passed out, unless you are talking about the preview from next episode.

  23. Georgette says:

    Since all the characters met each other before coming to the island. Has anyone seen the doctor who told Claire that she must raise her own baby?

  24. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”1231″]Since all the characters met each other before coming to the island. Has anyone seen the doctor who told Claire that she must raise her own baby?[/quote]

    If I’m not mistaken, a psychic told Claire that her baby must not be raised by another in the season 1 episode titled “Raised by Another”.

  25. Excellent INTERACTIVE version of the map available here: http://lost4815162342.com/blastmap.htm

  26. HBerg says:

    Does anyone else think that the others aren’t bad people, they are just carrying out tasks for “him”(the boss)as they are in fear of sickness and follow the boss’ instructions in exchange for the vacines that they are running low on (as explained by ethan to claire in Episode 15). Also we never see life from the others point of view. Whats going on, anyone got their own guesses

  27. jimseas says:

    [quote comment=”1325″]Does anyone else think that the others aren’t bad people, they are just carrying out tasks for “him”(the boss)as they are in fear of sickness and follow the boss’ instructions in exchange for the vacines that they are running low on (as explained by ethan to claire in Episode 15). Also we never see life from the others point of view. Whats going on, anyone got their own guesses[/quote]

    I won’t get into the whole are they good or evil thing, but we mustn’t forget that Desmond was taking the vaccine and the Losties aren’t. That means there is some IN the hatch. Will the Others come looking for it? Maybe that is why Henry is there?

  28. FINLAND says:

    what about WALT, did you people notice that when he gets angry something hapends

  29. hunter says:

    it’s not walt, it’s the dog

  30. Lanie says:

    In my math education I got as far as calc 2. It’s been years and I don’t remember much.
    I’ve been searching all over for actual mathematics regarding the equations shown on Lost and have only encountered speculation that involves very little (at best) true math.
    I’ve tried searches using the actual equations and gotten little to nothing. At least nothing that I can understand how it could possibly relate.
    My point? Does anyone know of any site that actually shows that any of it is actual math and not just using pretty numbers and symbols to make us think it’s math?

  31. FINLAND says:

    [quote comment=”1448″]it’s not walt, it’s the dog[/quote]
    no its Walt, thats why the “other” took him

  32. -the blair- says:

    no, its the dog, the others only think its Walt. Since the very first episode the dog has just freaked me out! Or perhaps its the two of them together or something… where did he get the dog? I wonder if it will come in later…

  33. -the blair- says:

    remember the crater from Rousseau’s map. could this also be the location of the ? also, the person who drew the map didn’t know much… was not ‘in the loop’ about Dharma or its purposes.

  34. Oz says:

    So with the theory of the story being in the creator’s mind – with characters and all being brought in by this person’s surroundings – perhaps the creator is IN a mental institute?

    Could be, too, the talk of Gary Troup’s novel – what’s to say that someone didn’t crash on the island and was the only survivor – found this Troup novel and is now living out this novel? lol

    Oz

  35. samsandrasan says:

    Oz-

    I was thinking the same thing for awhile about being in someone’s mind (like in the movie “Identity”). Because, one of the job listings on the Hanso Foundation website listed knowledge of Lacanian psychology as a requirement.

    I thought this was interesting:
    http://www.guidetopsychology.com/terrorism.htm
    There is a quote here: Lacan was fond of saying,
    “There is no Other of the Other.”

    But, I think there are alot of different projects going on in Lost so, I don’t think it is all in one person’s mind. I do think that this type of research was one of the projects. There are several characters that have a problematic father/child relationship.

  36. samsandrasan says:

    Violet:
    Nobody has said too much about the hospitals but the foundation apparently ran hospitals around the world. I’m thinking Jack’s hospital may have been one of them though he may have been oblivious to who he really worked for. Though his father may have known. Anyone have any thoughts on Sarah’s miraculous healing, Locke’s miraculous healing, and the creepy scene on the website where a girl is standing in a doorway in a hospital gown with a wheelchair outside the door that I assume she got out of? Do you really think Jack’s surgery helped Sarah or there was some true miracle? I wonder what went on in the hospital with Sarah while Jack was out running the stadium for hours. I wonder if his father (who chided Jack for not giving her 1% of hope) had something to do with it. Or maybe Desmond who seemed to believe in miracles.

  37. Alvar Hanso says:

    The link below contains another link to a map that talks about magnetic issues with sattelites used by the Hanso Foundation.

    http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=c9fa6917-a3e4-4f82-a39b-661cce7393fd

    Namaste!

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