Every Man for Himself

In close to 10 minutes we will find out more about our beloved castaways. Will Locke try to save Jack, Kate and Sawyer from their tormentors? How could Desmond predict the future? Those and others questions may or may not be answered in tonight’s Lost episode called “Every Man for Himself“. This is the official description for the episode:

Minor Spoilers

Sawyer discovers just how far his captors will go to thwart any plans of escape he and Kate might have, and Jack is called upon to scrub up in order to save the life of one of “The Others.” Meanwhile, Desmond’s behavior begins to perplex the survivors when he starts construction on an unknown device

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269 Responses to Every Man for Himself

  1. sawyerswife13 says:

    wow this episode was crazy. for some reason im doubting that its a completely diffrent island, but yet it could just be denial.

  2. Mabry says:

    Best episode of the season yet, by far 🙂

  3. Dave A says:

    I agree it was a crazy episode. Henry Gale is a real jerk. And them being on a seprate island, another can of worms that is being opened up. And no other mystries being solved.

  4. Lynn says:

    I’m getting sick and tire of all the short play and long commericals. I know that the new programs have got to thrive on losts success but those commerical breaks have to come in at a perdictable time. Anyhow I thing the island is one and the same. You have to con a con man to gain his respect. Love sawyer and he is not bad to look at even bloody. Thank for making my lonely wednesday nite worth it (accept for those dam commericals).

  5. david says:

    i think this was the best episode of the season so far! revealed a loot of things, and the writing was top-notch compared to last weeks episode (the parallel between sawyer’s flashback and the present was verrry well done, and the scenes between kate and sawyer were heartbreaking). after last week’s ep i was losing interest in lost, but this episode definately sucked me in again. wouldn’t it be funny if the woman who turned sawyer in lied about having a baby and only did that to con sawyer into sending the money to her…

  6. Curiousblack says:

    You know I listen to Lostcast every week and those guys are dead on! You can’t judge the direction of this show based on a bad episode, however in the matter of seven days your feelings can rollercoaster from lukewarm to scorching! I gotta admit I was a little down after episode 3 but after hearing the insight from lostcast the episode made sense. Every man for themselves however, needs no support. This episode was truly badass. juliets vulnerability, jacks mindgames, the hooded walk to the emergency room and the desperate cries for help, Holy shit! I’m buying this on Itunes tomorrow! I can’t wait to find out what the hecks going on with desmond! Wow I feel like I just watched episode one of season 2. I can’t wait to find out how many more viewers tune in for next week! Cheers and STAY LOST!

  7. Lynn says:

    was thinking the same thing (about sawyer). What is up w/ desmond? I thought he was after the baby, but instead it was electicity?

  8. FMGreenSteve says:

    Excellent! They’ve totally redeemed themselves after last weeks poor effort.

    This episode really did have everything that I love about LOST. I like that they have lead us to believe that “our guys” (the losties) have now gained some sort of minor advantage with Jack seeing the xrays, kate being able to escape, etc…

    Sawyer being conned by the woman is a very good theory, but as this is LOST, we won’t find out what actually happened for another 15 years or so. Don’t hold your breath.

    I really do wish they would start answering SOME questions, even old stuff from the first and second season. Nothing major, just little mysteries.
    And, they seem to have completely abandoned the story of Claire/Aaron. That’s a shame, it was one of the most interesting stories, imo.

    Sadly…only 2 new episodes until we have to wait another 3 months!

  9. Brian says:

    In the teaser for next week…

    Post edited by Andreas – Which part of “don’t discuss episode previews” is hard to understand?

  10. david says:

    [quote comment=”9975″]was thinking the same thing (about sawyer). What is up w/ desmond? I thought he was after the baby, but instead it was electicity?[/quote]

    Desmond was experimenting on whether or not he could change the future that he sees in his “visions.” He saw that the lightning was going to hit Claire’s tent, but he built the lighting rod to deter it.

    Also, I guess Ben is offering to take Jack off the island for saving his life (I think it’s Ben who has the spinal tumor – he’s the only 40-year old male Other who is important enough). My prediction is that Jack refuses Ben in order to help the other losties, but Ben threatens to kill Kate if he doesn’t help him (that explains why they took Jack and Kate). But why did they take Sawyer?

  11. Yoink says:

    I think this episode sucked! Why don’t the castaways ask some damn questions?!!! “Why am i here” “who are you”. The Others need to die and I can’t wait till they do. If I was on that island I would be a one-man rampage killing every damn Other till they answered my damn questions.

  12. keith says:

    Post edited by Andreas – Which part of “don’t discuss episode previews” is hard to understand?

    i’m excited for the next 2 episodes.. and i agree.. start solving some of the little mysteries (like the polar bear,the black smoke/fire thing,the french lady..what happend to her?) and finish them so we dont have to worry about it anymore!

  13. jossie says:

    desmond was saving the baby. he saw into the furture the lighting was going to kill him. they didn’t move so he put the golf club to block it. and we know why jack is there,to work on whom ever have bad spine,and maybe sowyer is a doner.

  14. Damien says:

    Great episode I think this was the best of the season so far, I like Sawyers flashbacks and next weeks promo just looks awesome and the guy with the patch brings back memories of the glass eye found in the Arrow Station.

  15. jack johnson says:

    One thing that I think will unfortunatly be overlooked about this episode that was so great about it was desmond’s sub-plot. In the beginning he was pensive, apparently having a “vision” of the future. He then set out to change the future and take fate into his own hands (a new side of desmond other than the one that willingly pushed the button). He tries to protect Claire and Aaron from what he sees in his vision which was probably their home getting struck. He constructed a lightening pole to protect them and change their fate.

    The idea of fate vs. free will is constant in this show: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Don%27t_Tell_Me_What_I_Can%27t_Do “don’t tell me what I can’t do”

    And here we truly see that the losties can control their future, and it is not dependant on the island (locke’s theory) or the no-longer-all-so-powerful-Others.

  16. ted says:

    Has anyone else noticed that Sawyer and Kate are now IN JAIL – just like they should have been had the plane not crashed???????

  17. Lesley says:

    It just doesn’t get any better – – – good things come to those who wait. Fertility and children are a recurring theme… and Juliet is a fertility doctor. So far Jin, Jack and Sawyer may be parents, so how does it all fit? And why didn’t the island heal Ben? Because they are on a different island! The episode was so incredibly emotional. I felt sorry for Ben being so jealous of Saywer’s having someone to care about. How can you like the Others and despise them at the same time? The story was very well done. Did anyone catch what has stopped working since the sky turned purple? (Gonna have to watch it again!) And suddenly it appears that moving to and from the outside world may not be so easy, otherwise why would they need the island’s spinal surgeon? Or was that just another con? Perhaps the Others are fugitives too. 40 years back would be 1964…1964!!! Before the DeGroots and Dharma? Or did Dharma just regroup in the late 70s? Jack has something new to FIX, Kate and Sawyer are the bargaining chips. Sadly only two more eps before the break…

  18. innerverse says:

    OK, call me stoopid, but can someone please explain why there being a second smaller island is so significant to Sawyer’s desire/ability to escape? And why hasn’t anyone SEEN this island already? When he looks out across the water with that confused, angry look, I expected to see a city or some kind of incredible structure, but instead all we saw was… water and land. Wow. Exciting. I don’t get it.

  19. KillerR says:

    i think we just saw the reason for locke tracking down the bear and mr eko in further instructions. its the caves. they must run between the “two” islands. thats how the others can move about undetected. they know the caves system. dharma people have obviously used them before because of the shirt on that one skeleton. and the dude on the moniter is probably in another hatch. it looked similar to the swan. maybe its kelvin.
    oh had bravo to cassidy for conning sawyer to get back at him. she was very convincing.

  20. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10064″]OK, call me stoopid, but can someone please explain why there being a second smaller island is so significant to Sawyer’s desire/ability to escape? And why hasn’t anyone SEEN this island already? When he looks out across the water with that confused, angry look, I expected to see a city or some kind of incredible structure, but instead all we saw was… water and land. Wow. Exciting. I don’t get it.[/quote]

    I think the idea is that unless you have a boat, you can’t get back to the “Losties” island…so no need to run anymore.

  21. Andreas says:

    This was a really good episode! Everything from Sawyer’s flashback to Ben’s mind games and Desmond changing the future was top notch. I have to agree with Damien and Mabry, this was one of the best episodes yet!

    I was pretty sure that the “pacemaker” was a con, but the concept behind it was quite scary.

    Juliet and Jack are clearly starting to have feelings for each other, even if Jack doesn’t want to admit it.

    There has to either be a tunnel between the main island and “Alcatraz” or the Others must have another boat. I’m betting there is a tunnel system between the islands. / Edit, The Others have a Submarine!

    More thoughts later!

  22. suntoto says:

    The fertility thing…points to cloning. (experiments on dolphins, the polar bears, the fertility doctor… it all adds up…)

    Don’t you remember the water rushing into Jack’s prison? That pointed to his area being under water…which means there are probably tunnels from the “Lost’s” island to the island where the others are.

  23. Hammer says:

    About the Other’s island. Wouldn’t you be able to see it from the Losties’ island? Desmond circled the island for days and didn’t see it. Sun, Jin and Sayid went around the island looking for the Others base camp and didn’t see it. What’s up?

  24. Remember on a previous post someone mentioned a possible connection between “Heroes and Lost”. Well last night, before Lost, I watched “Jericho” and there was a point in that show where the main character said “Its every man for himself now” I think he even repeated it. And that was the theme of the whole show. Things had degenerated so much that it had become desperate. Funny, how the two shows would have similar themes on the same night.??????

  25. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”10071″]There has to either be a tunnel between the main island and “Alcatraz” or the Others must have another boat. I’m betting there is a tunnel system between the islands.
    [/quote]

    When they brought in the women who Sun shot, they said “The sub is back”. Couldn’t they have used the “sub” to transport Jack, Sawyer and Kate to the other island? They had them on the little island before the other group went out to Sun’s boat using the sub.

  26. KillerR says:

    [quote comment=”10073″]About the Other’s island. Wouldn’t you be able to see it from the Losties’ island? Desmond circled the island for days and didn’t see it. Sun, Jin and Sayid went around the island looking for the Others base camp and didn’t see it. What’s up?[/quote]

    thats probably why the others set up that fake camp. that way sayid, sun, and jin would stop making thier way around and see the second island.

  27. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10077″]
    When they brought in the women who Sun shot, they said “The sub is back”. Couldn’t they have used the “sub” to transport Jack, Sawyer and Kate to the other island? They had them on the little island before the other group went out to Sun’s boat using the sub.[/quote]

    I didn’t hear Ben say “Sub” but I’ve checked it again and you are correct!

    The Others have a Submarine. I retract my tunnel ideas!

  28. Miranda says:

    hmm. i was really annoyed by the random italian guy, whose italian-ness they had to indicate by throwing a green, red, and white shirt on him. i really hope that there is a reason behind the totally unexplained appearance of these new people. it’s almost as weird as the notion that the second island could be there all that time and go unnoticed, particularly by danielle and desmond, who have been on the island/around for the longest…i thought the episode was ok, but just ok. seeds have been sewn for it to get better, though, i’ll give it that.

  29. samsandrasan says:

    Could you fill me in on the spinal tumor? I have a 16 month old to corral so I sometimes miss bits of the show. I saw that Jack saw the x-ray but I did not hear anybody say anything about a spinal tumor. I was assuming they were Sawyer’s xrays.

    BTW I have a hard time believing that the others are somehow actually the “good guys” when they are beating the living hell out of people. What they did to Sawyer amounts to torture. I don’t quite believe that they did NOT actually operate on Sawyer. Whether they put something in or took something out – dunno.
    I don’t believe a word Ben says.

  30. Andreas says:

    The “random Italian guy” is called Paulo and is played by Brazilian actor Rodrigo Santoro.

    While I don’t really like that they’re adding new characters on the beach, Paulo made more sense in this episode than in last week’s.

  31. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10082″]Could you fill me in on the spinal tumor? I have a 16 month old to corral so I sometimes miss bits of the show. I saw that Jack saw the x-ray but I did not hear anybody say anything about a spinal tumor. I was assuming they were Sawyer’s xrays.[/quote]

    At the end of the episode when Juliet is about to take Jack back to his “cell”, Jack says “Who’s x-rays are those? Outside. Those are spinal x-rays and they belong to a man about 40 years old. And whoever he is, he has a very large tumor on his *cant hear* vertebrate. And I just happen to be a spinal surgeon, so, you tell me, Juliet, who am I here to save?”

    My guess is that Jack is there to save Ben’s life.

  32. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10078″][quote comment=”10073″]About the Other’s island. Wouldn’t you be able to see it from the Losties’ island? Desmond circled the island for days and didn’t see it. Sun, Jin and Sayid went around the island looking for the Others base camp and didn’t see it. What’s up?[/quote]

    thats probably why the others set up that fake camp. that way sayid, sun, and jin would stop making thier way around and see the second island.[/quote]

    Two problems with that…one, the base camp was set up before the Others new about the sail boat…and two, what about Desmond circling the island for days?

  33. meh says:

    I didn’t understand Sawyer’s flashback…who was that guy he kept talking to in prison? Was he trying to con him or something?

    And at the end…was Sawyer transported to a seperate island by himself or something? How? Why?

  34. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10092″]I didn’t understand Sawyer’s flashback…who was that guy he kept talking to in prison? Was he trying to con him or something?

    And at the end…was Sawyer transported to a seperate island by himself or something? How? Why?[/quote]

    Yes, it was con to get out of jail. He conned the guy into telling him where he put his stolen money to cut a deal to get out of jail.

    We are supposed to believe that the Others live on the smaller island and that Jake, Kate and Sawyer are all on it.

  35. Andreas says:

    meh, the guy Sawyer was talking to had stolen 10 million from the government. Sawyer was being used to con the man into revealing where the money was hidden.

    I don’t think Sawyer was transported to a different island, but rather that Jack, Kate and Sawyer where taken to that island by The Others when they where captured in the Season 2 finale.

    Edit: Or I could just say “What Hammer said!” hehe =)

  36. Miranda says:

    that’s an excellent point about the sequence of the decoy vs. boat discovery…

    i didn’t mean to slam paulo. (or nikki, played by kiele sanchez) i’d just like it to tie in with things a little better, but maybe it will.

    on a more constructive note, i liked the link to “of mice and men”.

  37. meh says:

    What? But in the first 5 minutes of the first episode (as well as Season 2’s “line” ) it seems totally apparent that they’re all on the same island…and is it really possible that there is this huge island right next door and no one has seen it? Not even Desmond, who apparently sailed around the whole place?

  38. meh says:

    Oh, and one more thing I didn’t understand…what was that contraption Desmond built?

  39. Andrew says:

    Am I the only one who doesnt get the whole last 15 seconds of last years finale? Where the two dudes are in the arctic, and call desmonds woman back home and tell her they think they found him? Is this the others link to the outside world?

  40. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10104″]Oh, and one more thing I didn’t understand…what was that contraption Desmond built?[/quote]

    Go to ABC.com you can see it again for free…

    The club was used as a lightening rod because Dez can now see the future and new lightening was going to hit that tent and Claire/Charlie didn’t want to move.

  41. meh says:

    Right, figured as much. Sorry, I was watching this while eating a late dinner, and didn’t pay as much attention as I usually did. 😛

    Andreas, I GUARANTEE you right now, without a doubt, that more time has passed outside the island than inside. Maybe even 2 years, so it would correlate with the whole Lost Experience thing…which so far doesn’t really mean anything at all.

  42. MK says:

    Ben is doing pretty good for himself if he really was the one with the tumor. Nevertheless, being born in the island and exposed to that intense magnetic field for so long… you never know.

    Though I think there has to be some sort of small boat (like the one Michael and Walt fled in) in addition to a subterranean tunnel. I can’t imagine cramming two bears in a submarine to have them transported to the main island.

    Consider the possibility that the EMF that the main island generates is strong enough to bend the light around it making Alkatraz covered by the sight of water, though it seemed too close to disappear.

    To answer Lesley’s question, I think they said the communication equipment stopped working since the sky turned purple.

    Absolutely amazing episode, except for tacking with the supernatural (Desmond). I was hoping they keep it strictily scientific. So far, *most* of the show has been plausible scientifically speaking. I’m probably going to get flamed for implying that humans cannot see the future but that’s my thought and I’m sticking to it 🙂

    I guess we confirmed that the two polar bears were once in those cages?

  43. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10105″]Am I the only one who doesnt get the whole last 15 seconds of last years finale? Where the two dudes are in the arctic, and call desmonds woman back home and tell her they think they found him? Is this the others link to the outside world?[/quote]

    Nope, they’re not connected to The Others as far as we know. The two men where looking for an electromagnetic anomaly (probably looking for the island since it had a large electromagnetic anomaly in the Swan station) to find Desmond. This means that Desmond’s girlfriend Penny must have known about the island and that Desmond might be there. It’s possible that she got this information through her father Charles Widmore who seems to be involved with the Hanso Foundation.

  44. meh says:

    What are you on? The show has been entirely SCIENTIFIC?!

    So I guess you just forgot all about the visions everyone is getting, premonitions about the future (not just Desmond), the 4 toed statue, the smoke monster, the voices…

    What kind of science are you studying anyway? 😛

  45. Hammer says:

    Here goes the broken record…if the communications don’t work since the sky turned purple, I assume they mean with the outside world. This might support my theory that when Desmond turned the key he put the “force field” on permenantly. Therefore they will need to turn the key back to contact the outside world…get supplies…etc.
    This is when Dez’s girl will get to the island…

  46. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10117″]What are you on? The show has been entirely SCIENTIFIC?!

    So I guess you just forgot all about the visions everyone is getting, premonitions about the future (not just Desmond), the 4 toed statue, the smoke monster, the voices…

    What kind of science are you studying anyway? :P[/quote]

    Take it easy 🙂

    I forgot about the smoke monster, that’s gonna be hard to justify though it made a bunch of mechanical noises. 4 toed statues, what’s wrong with that? The voices can be hallucination caused by any multitude of medical conditions. Honestly, outside the smoke Monster, they can probably justify everything with a plausible scientnific explanation. Nothing that abnormal took place.

    I already said Desmond’s vision was the exception to the rule, I also said *most*.

  47. Andreas says:

    I think Damon said that Lost is pseudo-scientific, so it’s all based on science or scientific theories. Take Desmond’s precognition for example, most people don’t believe precognition is possible, but there are a lot of theories on how time may not be linear. Even Einstein had that kind of theories if I’m not mistaken.

  48. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10120″]Here goes the broken record…if the communications don’t work since the sky turned purple, I assume they mean with the outside world. This might support my theory that when Desmond turned the key he put the “force field” on permenantly. Therefore they will need to turn the key back to contact the outside world…get supplies…etc.
    This is when Dez’s girl will get to the island…[/quote]

    You’re jumping to conclusions. Just because the key was turned, does not mean it caused for communications to stop. That series of events also included a hatch implosion and possibly the destruction of the source of the Electro Magnetic field. I’m thinking the giant EMF that turned the sky purple may have damaged the other’s equipment. Nothing to do with the key which by now is obliterated with the rest of the swan hatch.

  49. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10124″]I think Damon said that Lost is pseudo-scientific, so it’s all based on science or scientific theories. Take Desmond’s precognition for example, most people don’t believe precognition is possible, but there are a lot of theories on how time may not be linear. Even Einstein had that kind of theories if I’m not mistaken.[/quote]

    Shows that outline precognition tend to vear off extensisvely from reality. Lost has not done that before. precognition cannot be reproduced consistently in a test environment unlike the eerie effects of a giant electromagnetic field. When you think “I can prove this is possible”, it makes the show that much more exciting than thinking “I heard this could happen”

  50. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10126″][quote comment=”10120″]Here goes the broken record…if the communications don’t work since the sky turned purple, I assume they mean with the outside world. This might support my theory that when Desmond turned the key he put the “force field” on permenantly. Therefore they will need to turn the key back to contact the outside world…get supplies…etc.
    This is when Dez’s girl will get to the island…[/quote]

    You’re jumping to conclusions. Just because the key was turned, does not mean it caused for communications to stop. That series of events also included a hatch implosion and possibly the destruction of the source of the Electro Magnetic field. I’m thinking the giant EMF that turned the sky purple may have damaged the other’s equipment. Nothing to do with the key which by now is obliterated with the rest of the swan hatch.[/quote]

    Ummmm…aren’t we all jumping to conclusions with our theories? You just concluded that the key is destroyed…how do you know that? Did you go down there?

  51. LostDamery says:

    I don’t know about awesome but it was a good episode with more questions than answers.
    Is it possible the Others can see the island but like a 2 way mirror the Island cannot see ‘Alcatraz’?
    Are the others on the island or not? Remember the first episode of this season we were all shocked to see the neighborhood on the island? do they commute to the ‘Alcatraz’ island for work?
    I am still befuddled that what I heard as Daddy was in fact Danny? Colleen is married to the man I thought was her father??? feeling sick…
    I think they need to introduce the newbie losties with a purpose not just randomly playing sports about the island and interjecting ooh and awe.
    My first thought was why didnt I see the great Golfer on Hurleys course if he loved it so much?
    The pulse caused the ‘Comms’ to go down ..meaning communication. The others are big time manipulators and I would not be surprised if they are tracking “Sawyer” with a GPS and are going to watch him and see if he tries to escape. They are more voyeurs than scientist since most of their equipment (the paddles) don’t work.
    okay I am going to leave it at this, because no one wants to read a book. KISS.

  52. mike says:

    come on, who’s going to say it? who’s going to say that the warden was the REAL henry gale?

  53. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10131″]
    Ummmm…aren’t we all jumping to conclusions with our theories? You just concluded that the key is destroyed…how do you know that? Did you go down there?[/quote]

    Did I go down there? A little attitude I sense?

    I jumped to the conclusion that the key in itself is nothing more than a piece of metal. It is the switch in which the key is inserted that is does something. That “something” is neutralize the EMF found deep in the Swan hatch (Desmond’s implication at the end of S2E24).

    My point is, even if the key is intact, it is nothing without the mechanism it is meant to operate. That mechanism caused a reaction big enough to blow off Desmond’s underwear. Last episode, we saw the imploded hatch looking like it was crushed by a meteor.

    The moment the writers make the losties dig up the Swan and operate that keyswitch once again is the moment I lose faith in the show’s creativity.

  54. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10137″]come on, who’s going to say it? who’s going to say that the warden was the REAL henry gale?[/quote]

    hahah. Only a still shot from the 2nd season DVD with Henry’s driver’s license picture will clear up that mystery.

  55. MasterPo says:

    Two things I need clafication on:

    1) Did the guy say “The sub is back” or “The submarine is back” when he was telling Ben the rading party had returned with an injury? Sounded like “sub” or “submarine” which would explain how the Others were to stealthy getting aboard the sail boat. I don’t have a Tivo or tape so can someone check that for me?

    2) When Desmond setup his lightening rod in camp, was there a purpose? Or just to test his powers of precognition?

    Thanks.

  56. MK says:

    Anyone read “Of Mice and Men”? (other than dave mustaine that is)

  57. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10142″]Anyone read “Of Mice and Men”? (other than dave mustaine that is)[/quote]

    Read it in HS. There also was a TV movie many years ago based on it with Randy Quaid (I’m pretty sure it was him) as the ‘dumb’ guy and the actor who played Beretta as his friend.

  58. Hammer says:

    MK, I see your point. Can you then explain how the island is still hidden? If the mechanism no longer works, the island is totally exposed and the calvary should have been there by now. The show is nothing if everyone knows where the island is.

    My point is all theories are good until otherwise proven wrong by the show…so far they haven’t explained how the island is hidden…and I’m sticking with key until proven wrong.

  59. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10140″]
    1) Did the guy say “The sub is back” or “The submarine is back” when he was telling Ben the rading party had returned with an injury? Sounded like “sub” or “submarine” which would explain how the Others were to stealthy getting aboard the sail boat. I don’t have a Tivo or tape so can someone check that for me?

    2) When Desmond setup his lightening rod in camp, was there a purpose? Or just to test his powers of precognition?

    Thanks.[/quote]

    He said sub. They got into the sail boat from the dock like everyone else. Sayid and Jin just suck at camping.

    Des’s lightning rod was nothing more than that. I thought at first he also used it to start a fire but on second look, it’s not. He just wanted to wow his buddies and himself. It worked. at least 3 people are now mesmerized.

  60. Lark says:

    Hi..I’m new here and have only read posts from this week’s show, so this may be already out there, but my theory on the arctic scene at the end of last season is this…There’s a electromagnetic shield of some sort around the island which somehow kept made it undetectable to the outside world and also blocked signals coming out of the island. Pushing the button kept it there. When they stopped pushing the button, the shield disappeared (maybe only temporarily until a backup kicked in), which means if someone, like those guys in the arctic, were looking at the right place at the right time, they would be able to detect it.

    I haven’t given this much thought, so the theory probably breaks down easily, but I thought I’d throw it out there.

  61. samsandrasan says:

    I would think that the built up EM would have dissipated, not sat out in the atmosphere as a permanent force field. But, did turning the key actually destroy the anomaly so no more EM is produced or is it just no longer contained so the EM is not building up? If it is the latter, that means that some EM is still being released as it did naturally before the containment. I am still confused as to how an “implosion” would send a heavy metal door flying across the island.

    I think most people do not consider psychic abilities as supernatural. Whether such consistent and clear psychic abilitites actually exist in the real world is immaterial. Everything on the Island is extraordinary, why not enhanced psychic abilities?

  62. Hammer says:

    Lark,

    Yeah, that’s out there…if you look up a few posts, you will see a couple of us debating that.

  63. Erica says:

    [quote comment=”10137″]come on, who’s going to say it? who’s going to say that the warden was the REAL henry gale?[/quote]

    No one, because he wasn’t.

  64. Love's Labor Lost says:

    MEH–I suggest that either more closely watch episodes or re-watch them before posting. Every question you asked was dim-bulbed and factual in nature. And your supposition regarding suppression of time on the island has no support at all.

    Has anyone considered the possibility that a force-field is somehow “covering” the Others’ island, making it invisible to the naked eye? Or conversely, that somehow the Others created an hallucination or some sort of projected image to “con” Sawyer into believing he could never get to his “home” island.

  65. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10145″]He said sub. They got into the sail boat from the dock like everyone else. Sayid and Jin just suck at camping.[/quote]

    Having a submarine would explain a lot.

    First it explains how they can go ashore and exit so stealthly. Even if it’s a mini-sub (that can hold at least 6 people, like maybe a large research sub?)

    Second, it shows they do have other marine transportation besides the power boat Ben gave to Michael and Walt.

    Third, maybe there is an undersea facility and that’s how they brought Jack to it?

    Forth, Maybe the entry/exit to the hidden environment is underwater? Kinda like in the movie “The Land That Time Forgot”.

    ps- I don’t think Syid was dumb. I think, as someone else previously theorized, he wanted them to take the boat. He has a tracking device on it. The question is now that the hatch is destroyed does he still have the receiver unit? And did the apparent EMP fry it?

  66. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10152″]Has anyone considered the possibility that a force-field is somehow “covering” the Others’ island, making it invisible to the naked eye? Or conversely, that somehow the Others created an hallucination or some sort of projected image to “con” Sawyer into believing he could never get to his “home” island.[/quote]

    I did.

    When Ben and Sawyer looked out on the other island it didn’t look real. The image looked “flat” like on a projection screen. And when Sawyer was left alone on the cliff looking at the island it also didn’t look real.

    Could also just be poor special effects in the filming. Very hard to say for sure.

  67. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10148″]I would think that the built up EM would have dissipated, not sat out in the atmosphere as a permanent force field. But, did turning the key actually destroy the anomaly so no more EM is produced or is it just no longer contained so the EM is not building up? If it is the latter, that means that some EM is still being released as it did naturally before the containment. I am still confused as to how an “implosion” would send a heavy metal door flying across the island.
    [/quote]

    If the story is consistent, the natural EM field emmitted by the island was regulated and contained by the Swan. When the computer was broken, the containment failed and the giant rock responsible for the emissions would potentially obliterate the swan (maybe not the whole island since the phenomenon was there before Hanso).
    I think the swan was built to harness and study the EM phenomenon. I also think the failsafe that Desmond triggered was aimed at destroying the rock permanently. I think there is no more EMF.

  68. Lark says:

    Sorry about the obvious theory. I saw the posts as soon as mine posted. Clearly I’m in over my head here, so I’m out.
    Thanks for the interesting read.

  69. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10156″]Sorry about the obvious theory. I saw the posts as soon as mine posted. Clearly I’m in over my head here, so I’m out.
    Thanks for the interesting read.[/quote]

    Lark- don’t asssume that…stick around.

  70. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10153″]
    ps- I don’t think Syid was dumb. I think, as someone else previously theorized, he wanted them to take the boat. He has a tracking device on it. The question is now that the hatch is destroyed does he still have the receiver unit? And did the apparent EMP fry it?[/quote]

    Sayid looked depressed at the loss of the sail boat, he asked the couple to get ready for a long walk back. I don’t think he had any kind of tracking system on there.

  71. froggirl says:

    I don’t think the Others live permanately on the “alcatraz” island. It clearly showed their little subdivision in the middle of the main island in the season premeir. (I really can’t spell).

    My Wacked Out Theory: The second island is man made and can submerge completely under water. They are only on it now for some sort of construction project, and to separate the Losties from any rescue parties, like Sayid.

  72. MK says:

    Anyone think that the concept of a second island wasn’t properly thought through by the writers?

    It seems like something sporatic they came up with and did not bother to revise some of the older dialog they wrote in earlier seasons. Namely, the idea that Desmond already circled the island. Even if there is an EMF around the main island that renders Alkatraz invisible to the naked eye, Desmond’s sail boat should have been far enough from shore to see the other island.

    The amount of equipment required to generate such a mass scale illusion for Sawyer does not seem plausible. Maybe showing him a video or picture that has been doctored. Not bring him to the very summit and allow him full panorama of his surroundings. I think humans’ depth and light perception is a little better than that.

  73. Hammer says:

    MK- I agree. Yes, I questioned it at the top of the posts this a.m.

  74. patience says:

    desmond said he had been sailing around in circles he never said he did circles around the island

  75. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10115″]

    Though I think there has to be some sort of small boat (like the one Michael and Walt fled in) in addition to a subterranean tunnel. I can’t imagine cramming two bears in a submarine to have them transported to the main island.
    [/quote]

    Yes, but we’re not talking any kind of bear.. we’re talking Polar Bears… which swim VERY well.
    The islands aren’t so far apart.

  76. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10161″]Sayid looked depressed at the loss of the sail boat, he asked the couple to get ready for a long walk back. I don’t think he had any kind of tracking system on there.[/quote]

    I don’t agree. I don’t think he looked depressed. Not emotional at all. Very matter-of-fact. I would have thought he’d be more upset at the lost of the boat. And I would have presumed Sun would have told them she shot one of the Others.

    However, it does now explain why Ben was so adimit that he get the sail boat. If there are 2 islands he doesn’t want the Losties comming over.

    As for the second island, always remember the Others are *masters* at deception! You can never be sure what they say or do is real. And we have seen them go to great lengths to contruct false surroundings and change appearances.

    ps- Remember in the first season when Syid left the camp to walk around the island he found a cable on the beach? Maybe that cable was a communications wire between the two islands?

    pps- Excellent point about the bears. Polar bears have been well documented swimming 20 miles in open arctic ocean. So a short crossing to the other island would be nothing for them.

  77. samsandrasan says:

    MK I agree I think it was destroyed and I don’t think the EM build up released did anything but dissipate.

    froggirl I think you are right, they don’t live on the little island. I don’t think they would take the captives to their “home” camp to do what they are doing to them. The little island is clearly some kind of separate research facility.

    MEH Twice the size of Alcatraz is not huge. It is very small.

    Someone said the bears couldn’t have fit in a sub to transport to the main island:
    The bears may not have been transported to the main island at all. Polar bears can swim for miles and miles.
    The larger island seems like a much better food source so why go any further after escaping to it?

  78. Hammer says:

    Just hit me. When Sayid went exploring, he found a cable coming from the ocean onto shore. Did that cable lead to the other island?

  79. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10169″]MK- I agree. Yes, I questioned it at the top of the posts this a.m.[/quote]

    Aye, I see it 🙂

    I wonder if the writer’s sneaky means of dealing with the fans’ criticism is to create more whacky mysteries that make us forget about the first ones. It’s worked so far!

    Then again, there’s always those devoted fanatics who keep track of every little detail and confront the writers at expos, you know… the fat nerds that dress like Klingons 🙂

  80. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment=”10162″]I don’t think the Others live permanately on the “alcatraz” island. It clearly showed their little subdivision in the middle of the main island in the season premeir. (I really can’t spell).

    My Wacked Out Theory: The second island is man made and can submerge completely under water. They are only on it now for some sort of construction project, and to separate the Losties from any rescue parties, like Sayid.[/quote]
    Let me add to Froggirls dream sequence:
    The power cord for the transmitter on the island (Found by Sayid) also goes directly to the ‘Alcatraz’ island. Which Sayid was unable to see because:
    a) they are on the other side of a 2 way mirror device.
    b) the ‘Alcatraz’ island can move or submerge so that it remains undetected.
    c) none of the above.

  81. JW says:

    After watching the end of last night’s episode I went back and watched the first five minutes of the season premiere. When the camera pans out you see the plane smoking in the area straight above (don’t know what direction it would be) the Others village.

    Is this smoking area of the plane from the tailies or the losties that we know from day one? Isn’t it possible that this could be from the view of that portion of beach and that is why they were in such a hurry to move those survivors?

    Tell me if that is crazy, I’m new to this board and it is definitely satisfying a hunger to find out just what the heck is going on on this show! Thanks!

  82. Britt says:

    [quote comment=”9985″]Post edited by Andreas – Which part of “don’t discuss episode previews” is hard to understand?

    i’m excited for the next 2 episodes.. and i agree.. start solving some of the little mysteries (like the polar bear,the black smoke/fire thing,the french lady..what happend to her?) and finish them so we dont have to worry about it anymore![/quote]

    Personally i think kate,sawyer,and jack are in an abandoned zoo or a testing place on animals and thats where the polar bears come in.. cause they were once in the zoo but exscaped or were released explaining how they can be on the island. Little things like that can help you to atleast think what of what the answers are to any mysteries.. that is what makes LOST so good!!

  83. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10179″][quote comment=”10169″]MK- I agree. Yes, I questioned it at the top of the posts this a.m.[/quote]

    Aye, I see it 🙂

    I wonder if the writer’s sneaky means of dealing with the fans’ criticism is to create more whacky mysteries that make us forget about the first ones. It’s worked so far!

    I know what a Klingon is…but what’s a fat nerd? JK

    Then again, there’s always those devoted fanatics who keep track of every little detail and confront the writers at expos, you know… the fat nerds that dress like Klingons :)[/quote]

  84. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10170″]desmond said he had been sailing around in circles he never said he did circles around the island[/quote]

    Good point. I’d like to see the Geography of this place (not Hawaii, the writers’ version). When the tailies walked to the other losties, didn’t they see the other island? How about when Michael, Sawyer, and Walt tried to leave the island on the raft, didn’t they see anything? That’s what I mean when I say, I hope they took the time to revise the story and make it fool-proof because noone seems to be able to come up with a unified theory that would explain everything.

  85. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment=”10182″]After watching the end of last night’s episode I went back and watched the first five minutes of the season premiere. When the camera pans out you see the plane smoking in the area straight above (don’t know what direction it would be) the Others village.

    Is this smoking area of the plane from the tailies or the losties that we know from day one? Isn’t it possible that this could be from the view of that portion of beach and that is why they were in such a hurry to move those survivors?

    Tell me if that is crazy, I’m new to this board and it is definitely satisfying a hunger to find out just what the heck is going on on this show! Thanks![/quote]
    another reason to believe that the community is on the BIG island and the research area is on the small island. Ben tells the other others to run to where the planes parts crashed…unless they are Jesus or Peter they are not running on water and therefore brother, the community is on the BIG island.

  86. MasterPo says:

    Don’t think too much on the science and magic aspects. So far everything we’ve seen is very plausable technology. Very advanced, but still plausable given the time period the Dharma project was established.

    So giant 2-way mirrors or mobile/submergable islands IMO seem rather far fetched. I do think there is science/technology as yet undiscovered or unexplained on the island (like the apparent EMF shield and the smoke creature/thing) but the answers will be a lot less mystical than most people seem to want to make them be.

  87. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10152″]MEH–I suggest that either more closely watch episodes or re-watch them before posting. Every question you asked was dim-bulbed and factual in nature. And your supposition regarding suppression of time on the island has no support at all.

    Has anyone considered the possibility that a force-field is somehow “covering” the Others’ island, making it invisible to the naked eye? Or conversely, that somehow the Others created an hallucination or some sort of projected image to “con” Sawyer into believing he could never get to his “home” island.[/quote]

    Even though its not regarding me, thats not a nice post. I always thought that this was a place that you could express your opinions and theories from really good to completely off the wall.
    Also, maybe they ARE on another island. We’ve all accepted that the losties are on an island that can’t be seen my the outside world. So why would it be so hard to believe that there is more than one island working this way. Hell, maybe there are 14 islands… each with they own little ‘others’ camp. If the island can’t be seen by boat, by plane, by satalite why would it not be hidden to just the normal naked eye. Maybe the swan station blowing up and the EMP that resulted from Desmonds actions allowed the Losties island to be seen but there is a separate ‘switch’ or hell, a whole other button that is being pressed on the ‘others’ island that keeps it hidden.

  88. Hammer says:

    If the Others community is on the big island…who is proctecting it while all the Others are on the little one? With all the exploring that happened in S1 and S2 someone would have seen it on the big island.

  89. Jodi says:

    This was a great episode! I am starting to think though that “the Others” are nice people. I don’t know why. But I really do feel that they are good.

  90. Solden says:

    They others definitly have their permanent residence on the main island. When the plane crashes Ben tells both guys to get there and pretend they were on the plane. No way they would have enough time to get in a sub or whatever and make it to the site in time for people to think they were on the plane.

  91. Hammer says:

    Helluva point Julie!

  92. samsandrasan says:

    Jodi-

    Nice people don’t torture other people. Maybe they think the end justifies the means. So much for Utopia.

  93. MK says:

    With regards to the rope that Sayid found in S1 before being captured by Danielle, what is the point of that thing?

    If it does indeed extend from one island to the next, what purpose can it serve? More importantly, that rope lead directly to Danielle’s trap implying that Danielle knew all about the rope. Being on the island for 14+ years, wouldn’t she know about the second island?

    Back in Season one, she was terrified of the Others… now they don’t seem so bad. Unless she meant the other others, but then how come her daughter lives among Ben’s crew?

  94. JW says:

    [quote comment=”10194″]This was a great episode! I am starting to think though that “the Others” are nice people. I don’t know why. But I really do feel that they are good.[/quote]

    I kind of agree with you Jodi, I know that everyone says they can’t believe that they are good because of what they have done. However, we know that our wonderful survivors aren’t all that wonderful in their own right. There is more to them being “good” than we may want to believe at first.

  95. Andreas says:

    We haven’t seen Mrs.Klugh much this season have we? Maybe she and a bunch of other Others are at the camp on the big island?

    I went back and looked at the scene where Sayid finds the cable and we do see the sea and there is no other island visible.

    I agree completely with Julie on how the big island can be seen from ‘Alcatraz’, sounds very possible to me.
    Also, Julie is right about everyone being welcome here. No questions are dumb questions! And besides, I’m the only one who gets to tell people they can’t write something here! =)

  96. Brent says:

    My first post here. I come often to read theories etc. something I noticed. Im not a scientist…nor a physicist or… mason..illumaniti.. well you get the idea. ANYWAY! a magnetic field strong enough to bend light would also warp space time. ala a black hole or something to that effect. which might explain why they couldnt see the other island.. odd times for sudden storms..why they cant just float off the island etc etc… just My 2 cents

  97. MK says:

    I disagree with anyone who thinks that the sole justification for the Others living on the big island is when the plane crashed and Ben asked his two men to infiltrate the losties. Sure he said “run” but that doesn’t meant “take the boat first”.

    It would take a LOT longer to run to the debris sites than it would to take a boat (the one they had at that time before Michael and Walt took it). The crash sites were so far apart that it took Anna-Lucia and her captors almost a day to talk.

    I may be the only one who thinks that Others live in Alkatraz.

  98. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10199″]With regards to the rope that Sayid found in S1 before being captured by Danielle, what is the point of that thing?

    If it does indeed extend from one island to the next, what purpose can it serve? More importantly, that rope lead directly to Danielle’s trap implying that Danielle knew all about the rope. Being on the island for 14+ years, wouldn’t she know about the second island?

    Back in Season one, she was terrified of the Others… now they don’t seem so bad. Unless she meant the other others, but then how come her daughter lives among Ben’s crew?[/quote]

    Her daughter lives with them because she was kidnapped.

    Maybe Danielle haven’t seen the other island because it it has a cloaking device like we’ve been speculating the big island has or had before the implosion.

  99. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10199″]With regards to the rope that Sayid found in S1 before being captured by Danielle, what is the point of that thing?

    If it does indeed extend from one island to the next, what purpose can it serve? More importantly, that rope lead directly to Danielle’s trap implying that Danielle knew all about the rope. Being on the island for 14+ years, wouldn’t she know about the second island?

    Back in Season one, she was terrified of the Others… now they don’t seem so bad. Unless she meant the other others, but then how come her daughter lives among Ben’s crew?[/quote]

    What’s more is…isn’t she the one that caught Ben? I think she cut a deal with Ben at one point or another.

  100. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10199″]With regards to the rope that Sayid found in S1 before being captured by Danielle, what is the point of that thing?

    If it does indeed extend from one island to the next, what purpose can it serve? More importantly, that rope lead directly to Danielle’s trap implying that Danielle knew all about the rope. Being on the island for 14+ years, wouldn’t she know about the second island?

    Back in Season one, she was terrified of the Others… now they don’t seem so bad. Unless she meant the other others, but then how come her daughter lives among Ben’s crew?[/quote]

    Maybe that cable (it wasn’t a rope) leads to yet a third island?!

    Syid calculated based on her radio signal she’s been there closer to 20 years.

    And her daughter (if it is her daughter) is with Ben because, like she told Syid when she captured him, the Others came and took her shortly after she was born.

    I still say there’s a giant monster or alien in the jungle on the Losties island.

  101. Solden says:

    [quote comment=”10203″]I disagree with anyone who thinks that the sole justification for the Others living on the big island is when the plane crashed and Ben asked his two men to infiltrate the losties. Sure he said “run” but that doesn’t meant “take the boat first”.

    It would take a LOT longer to run to the debris sites than it would to take a boat (the one they had at that time before Michael and Walt took it). The crash sites were so far apart that it took Anna-Lucia and her captors almost a day to talk.

    I may be the only one who thinks that Others live in Alkatraz.[/quote]

    Well you also saw the tail end of the plane fall right next to them. The islands were way too far apart for that tail to land on a seperate island from where their community was. Watch the plane crash from episode one of this season, you’ll see what i’m saying…

  102. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10202″]ANYWAY! a magnetic field strong enough to bend light would also warp space time.[/quote]

    Physicists understand photons very well, we play with light every day. Look at fiber optics and hollograms.

    We also know enough about blackholes, we prove their existence by understanding light behavior. Bending a photon of light’s path is not difficult hence lasers.

    On the other hand, we (non-trekkers) know nothing about space/time. Even the most recent studies can hardly go beyond speculation in that field.

  103. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10182″]After watching the end of last night’s episode I went back and watched the first five minutes of the season premiere. When the camera pans out you see the plane smoking in the area straight above (don’t know what direction it would be) the Others village.

    Is this smoking area of the plane from the tailies or the losties that we know from day one? Isn’t it possible that this could be from the view of that portion of beach and that is why they were in such a hurry to move those survivors?

    Tell me if that is crazy, I’m new to this board and it is definitely satisfying a hunger to find out just what the heck is going on on this show! Thanks![/quote]

    Hey… random question. If an ’emp’ or something like that caused the plane to crash… we wouldn’t see smoke. Would we? An emp just causes all the electronics to fry… so I would think that the plane would just kind of fall out of the sky. (I haven’t studied this by any means)

  104. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10207″]
    Well you also saw the tail end of the plane fall right next to them. The islands were way too far apart for that tail to land on a seperate island from where their community was. Watch the plane crash from episode one of this season, you’ll see what i’m saying…[/quote]

    Really? When Sawyer climbed to the top, the two islands seemed very close togheter. Close enough that two polar bears have no problems swimming across.

    When Jack,Sawyer, and Kate were abducted, they were moved to Alkatraz. If they were put in a boat or a submarine, they would have known that (even with hoods on). Starting to sound like they were in a tunnel (or knocked uncontious)

  105. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10198″]Jodi-

    Nice people don’t torture other people. Maybe they think the end justifies the means. So much for Utopia.[/quote]

    Not jumping the fence here.. but we all love sayid and well… he’s tortured a lot of people. It just depends on what cause you believe in. Thats the writers putting perspective in your head.
    Denny, Danny…was heart broken. Never lost someone and wanted to take it out on who you ‘felt’ was responsible? Not saying he should have kick sawyers ass but its understandable, forgivable, and more importantly believeable.

  106. Solden says:

    If by pretty close you mean a mile??? In the first episode the plane crashed right over top of them basically, not a mile away. And if they took a boat to the other island, that boat would have been found after awhile. No way, that second island is used as some kind of habitat that they’re doing construction on. Not their living space.

  107. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10210″]Hey… random question. If an ’emp’ or something like that caused the plane to crash… we wouldn’t see smoke. Would we? An emp just causes all the electronics to fry… so I would think that the plane would just kind of fall out of the sky. (I haven’t studied this by any means)[/quote]

    The EMP shuts down electronic equipment but the plane’s structural integrity is not strong enough to sustaine the rapid uncontrolled fall. The plane failed mechanically before breaking apart hence the smoke.

  108. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10214″][quote comment=”10210″]Hey… random question. If an ’emp’ or something like that caused the plane to crash… we wouldn’t see smoke. Would we? An emp just causes all the electronics to fry… so I would think that the plane would just kind of fall out of the sky. (I haven’t studied this by any means)[/quote]

    The EMP shuts down electronic equipment but the plane’s structural integrity is not strong enough to sustaine the rapid uncontrolled fall. The plane failed mechanically before breaking apart hence the smoke.[/quote]

    Well theres one theory shot. Haha.. Thanks.

  109. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10209″]
    We also know enough about blackholes, we prove their existence by understanding light behavior. Bending a photon of light’s path is not difficult hence lasers.[/quote]

    Actually a Laser has nothing to do with bending light. It’s about focusing light and concentrating it at one uniform frequency/wavelength.

    BTW, I recently read an article that a military tech developer has invested a light bending suit. It will render the wear invisible by bending light around them thus making the person appear transparent. Think prismatic armor like Predators have. Still obviously in development but it shows it can be done on a larger scale than just in the lab.

  110. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10213″]If by pretty close you mean a mile??? In the first episode the plane crashed right over top of them basically, not a mile away. And if they took a boat to the other island, that boat would have been found after awhile. No way, that second island is used as some kind of habitat that they’re doing construction on. Not their living space.[/quote]

    You sure about that? The fake village they put up is different from the lab they are in, which is different from the luxury neighborhood they live in? Is that what you’re saying?

    So what, the scientists go to the lab every morning and return in the evening to the big island after a long day at work?

  111. Hammer says:

    Remember this is shot for television…depth perception is impossible. Is it a mile or 10 miles? The distance is exactly how far the writers want it to be.

  112. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10210″]
    Hey… random question. If an ’emp’ or something like that caused the plane to crash… we wouldn’t see smoke. Would we? An emp just causes all the electronics to fry… so I would think that the plane would just kind of fall out of the sky. (I haven’t studied this by any means)[/quote]

    Maybe the plane collided with an electromagnetic shield protecting and hiding the island? This could also be why the earthquake in “A Tale of Two Cities” stopped before we saw the plane above Othersville, the plane had already gone through the shield.

    It’s possible that the quake was caused by Desmond not pushing the button though.

  113. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10217″]
    Actually a Laser has nothing to do with bending light. It’s about focusing light and concentrating it at one uniform frequency/wavelength.[/quote]

    LASERs are a very bad example, no bending involved, my apologies.

  114. LostDamery says:

    I think I am up to about 10 cents but here it goes:
    Both Islands are hidden from the outside and one from the other. They are mobile islands not stationary so Penny cannot find them.
    Dani cut a deal with Ben and now works with the Others and is secretly trying to get her daughter off the small island.
    The Monster was trapped in a cave from the blast in the Hatch and will be released when Locke goes hunting for the others.
    Walt will begin talking to my brother Desmond via telekinetic powers from outside the barrier and in the future.
    the skeletons of Adam and Eve are actually Kate and the Doc …again in a world of bent time and space nothing makes sense.

  115. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10219″]Remember this is shot for television…depth perception is impossible. Is it a mile or 10 miles?

    The distance is exactly how far the writers want it to be.[/quote]

    I meant Sawyer’s perception. He is the one would have seen it and it would not have been easy to trick him.
    Agree, TV is 2D, we can’t judge.

  116. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10223″]I think I am up to about 10 cents but here it goes:
    Both Islands are hidden from the outside and one from the other. They are mobile islands not stationary so Penny cannot find them.
    Dani cut a deal with Ben and now works with the Others and is secretly trying to get her daughter off the small island.
    The Monster was trapped in a cave from the blast in the Hatch and will be released when Locke goes hunting for the others.
    Walt will begin talking to my brother Desmond via telekinetic powers from outside the barrier and in the future.
    the skeletons of Adam and Eve are actually Kate and the Doc …again in a world of bent time and space nothing makes sense.[/quote]

    I want to buy a sample of the substance you’re using.

  117. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”10212″]Not jumping the fence here.. but we all love sayid and well… he’s tortured a lot of people. It just depends on what cause you believe in. Thats the writers putting perspective in your head.
    Denny, Danny…was heart broken. Never lost someone and wanted to take it out on who you ‘felt’ was responsible? Not saying he should have kick sawyers ass but its understandable, forgivable, and more importantly believeable.[/quote]

    I never said the losties were good or bad. I was only talking about the Others. Denny’s beating was only one event. They have tasered Sawyer, they have beat him on more than one occasion, they have stabbed him through the sternum, done heaven-knows-what to him surgically, they have forced him and Kate into hard labor and they have used psychological torture on both of them. These are good people? In what world?

    Depends on what cause you believe in? So, the Republican Guard was justified?

  118. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10227″][quote comment=”10212″]Not jumping the fence here.. but we all love sayid and well… he’s tortured a lot of people. It just depends on what cause you believe in. Thats the writers putting perspective in your head.
    Denny, Danny…was heart broken. Never lost someone and wanted to take it out on who you ‘felt’ was responsible? Not saying he should have kick sawyers ass but its understandable, forgivable, and more importantly believeable.[/quote]

    I never said the losties were good or bad. I was only talking about the Others. Denny’s beating was only one event. They have tasered Sawyer, they have beat him on more than one occasion, they have stabbed him through the sternum, done heaven-knows-what to him surgically, they have forced him and Kate into hard labor and they have used psychological torture on both of them. These are good people? In what world?

    Depends on what cause you believe in? So, the Republican Guard was justified?[/quote]

    Not to me, no. But to the republican guard, yes they believe they are justified. The others believe that they are justified.
    The whole show is centered around this debate. Who decides who is good or bad when EVERYONE is good AND bad. I think that I’m a good person but I’m sure other people wouldn’t think so. The BIG QUESTION is who gets to decide who is justified?
    Whos to say that the others arent just protecting their island?
    Dont get me wrong… totally not saying that they are ‘good people’ or what not.. just trying to point out that its pretty tough to keep an open mind.
    Torture is torture… beating is beating… no matter who the torture is…. or whos doing the beating.

  119. Andreas says:

    samsandrasan, if you check out my Watchmen theory you’ll see that the character Adrien Veidt in Watchmen kills millions but still believes he is a good person who is doing the right thing. I think Ben and The Others see themselves as good in the same way.

    Good way to describe good/bad Julie, I once again completely agree with your thoughts =)

  120. samsandrasan says:

    I was answering a post saying that the poster thought they were good people; not that they thought they were good people.

    As I said; maybe they think they are justified. They have a strange view of a Utopian society if they believe the end justifies the means.

  121. genethemachine says:

    [quote comment=”10071″]This was a really good episode! Everything from Sawyer’s flashback to Ben’s mind games and Desmond changing the future was top notch. I have to agree with Damien and Mabry, this was one of the best episodes yet!

    I was pretty sure that the “pacemaker” was a con, but the concept behind it was quite scary.

    Juliet and Jack are clearly starting to have feelings for each other, even if Jack doesn’t want to admit it.

    There has to either be a tunnel between the main island and “Alcatraz” or the Others must have another boat. I’m betting there is a tunnel system between the islands. / Edit, The Others have a Submarine!

    More thoughts later![/quote]

    I don’t think they have a submarine. When they said, “The sub is here” I believe they where talking about a “Substitute body.” The Others made up the fact that she was the guys wife and was shot. (Don’t remember seeing an episode where an other gets shot recently). I think The Others used a sub body to see if Jack would help them in the operating room. My biggest clue is when Jack told the fertility doctor “she was already dead before she was on the table.” As if Jack knew the woman was already dead. I can’t figure out this and it’s killing me! I need answers.. need them bad!

    Edit by Andreas – I’ve just re-written your comment from ALL CAPS to regular. Please don’t write LIKE THAT again or I’ll ban you from the site, thanks.

  122. dave says:

    hello,
    i am STILL confused about the “islands”. doesn’t anyone remember when the plane was going down and from the “others” homes Ben ordered Ethan and ______ to go the the 2 different locations on the beaches and mix in with the talies and losties. I understood from those orders that ‘the others’ were on the SAME island as the survivors of the crash.
    Doesn’t anyone remember in last nights episode that Ben described the island as twice the size of Alcatraz. Alcatraz is not that big. It is just a piece of rock sticking out of the Frisco bay. So to have facilities there seems to me be absurd. I think, even after reading everyones theories, I am MORE convinced that there must be a tunnel (or tunnels). Looking across from the little island to the Lost island, I cannot imagine a submarine being able to submerge deep enough to make the journey. Unless it’s like the Disneyland sub. Then again, this is a TV show. Oh BTW….it was a great episode.

  123. samsandrasan says:

    genethemachine

    Sun shot the woman on the sailboat in the last episode (or was it the one before?).

  124. Hammer says:

    Is the second island only double the size of ‘traz? Why do we believe Ben?

  125. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10219″]Remember this is shot for television…depth perception is impossible. Is it a mile or 10 miles?

    The distance is exactly how far the writers want it to be.[/quote]

    Nah nah! You can’t pull that one! You can’t pull a Star Trek! 😉

    It’s very easy to portay a sense of distance by making things look bigger (closer) or smaller (further away). Add in a skyline and horizon and there you have a good sense of distance.

    On Trek (especially DS9 and TNG) there was always the criticsism that they have these hugh and powerful starships but in combat the ships are flown so close together like fighter planes. The stated answer was that it’s in space and because of the vastness distance is deceiving. While they look close together there really is thousands of miles between them.

    Few fans bought that explanation.

  126. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10235″]Is the second island only double the size of ‘traz? Why do we believe Ben?[/quote]

    No kidding. The only time I can remember him ever telling the truth to a Lostie is when he was talking about the Boston Red Sox.

    Can anyone else?

  127. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10232″]
    I DONT THINK THEY HAVE A SUBMARINE. WHEN THEY SAID, “THE SUB IS HERE” I BELIEVE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A “SUBSTITUTE BODY.” THE OTHERS MADE UP THE FACT THAT SHE WAS THE GUYS WIFE AND WAS SHOT. (DON’T REMEMBER SEEING AN EPISODE WHERE AN OTHER GETS SHOT RECENTLY). I THINK THE OTHERS USED A SUB BODY TO SEE IF JACK WOULD HELP THEM IN THE OPERATING ROOM. MY BIGGEST CLUE IS WHEN JACK TOLD THE FERTILITY DOCTOR “SHE WAS ALREADY DEAD BEFORE SHE WAS ON THE TABLE.” AS IF JACK KNEW THE WOMAN WAS ALREADY DEAD. I CAN’T FIGURE OUT THIS AND IT’S KILLING ME!!! I NEED ANSWERS.. NEED THEM BAD![/quote]

    No CAPS please.
    Though they may have meant substitute body, the lady on the operating table was definitely Denny’s wife She was alive when Jack began to operate. I don’t think they have a closet of “subs” on whom they operate randomly when they feel like it.

    If it weren’t Danny’s wife, why would be suddenly go beat Sawyer to a pulp when that person died in the OR? He could beat Sawyer anytime he wants.

    I think all the evil stuff the Others have done is not sufficient to classify them as EVIL. They believe they are the good ones, they can obviously operate in a normal civilized society though they’re a bit twisted.

    Now, if they are the ones who kidnapped and murdered all those tailies in the first two weeks they landed, THEN they are too immoral to be classified as good.

    I think they firmly believe they’re protecting their turf.

  128. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10237″][quote comment=”10235″]Is the second island only double the size of ‘traz? Why do we believe Ben?[/quote]

    No kidding. The only time I can remember him ever telling the truth to a Lostie is when he was talking about the Boston Red Sox.

    Can anyone else?[/quote]

    Ben has no reason to lie about such a mundane detail. If the second island is 10 times bigger than Texas, why should anyone care? Will that motivate Sawyer any less from escaping?

  129. Geoff says:

    The woman was shot by Sun in the boat as Sayid and Jin waited on shore to ambush the others two episodes ogo

  130. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment=”10232″]
    I DONT THINK THEY HAVE A SUBMARINE. WHEN THEY SAID, “THE SUB IS HERE” I BELIEVE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A “SUBSTITUTE BODY.” THE OTHERS MADE UP THE FACT THAT SHE WAS THE GUYS WIFE AND WAS SHOT. (DON’T REMEMBER SEEING AN EPISODE WHERE AN OTHER GETS SHOT RECENTLY). I THINK THE OTHERS USED A SUB BODY TO SEE IF JACK WOULD HELP THEM IN THE OPERATING ROOM. MY BIGGEST CLUE IS WHEN JACK TOLD THE FERTILITY DOCTOR “SHE WAS ALREADY DEAD BEFORE SHE WAS ON THE TABLE.” AS IF JACK KNEW THE WOMAN WAS ALREADY DEAD. I CAN’T FIGURE OUT THIS AND IT’S KILLING ME!!! I NEED ANSWERS.. NEED THEM BAD![/quote]
    Wow your blowing my mind! Now I have to take back 2 cents for thinking my original thought that colleen said daddy was true and my last thought that she kissed Danny her husband is wrong…again I am duperfied and loving the ride.
    Answer: They really are good and used colleens heart to save Sawyer with a transplant after seeing he was going to die. (ask me later) They used her body as a test to see if Jack would really perform well on them, despite being a dead body, Ben wants to see if he can trust Jack to really try and get the thing off Ben’s spine.
    thanks I can come up with some more dribble …

  131. Julie says:

    MK:
    Ben has no reason to lie ever. I mean, comeon. They knew Jack so well. They could’ve sent a nice little, well dressed entrouge over to say ‘hey… you… doc. we need your help. think your up for saving the day?’ and like the super hero that he so badly wants to be Jack would be all ‘dun dum dum….(chest sticking out, cape flying in the breeze) Who needs my help?’ Just as he did last night.
    So that was a little dramatic but you get my point. Ben has never HAD to lie. Its the manipulation that plays into whatever it is that he’s up to.

  132. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10242″]MK:
    Ben has no reason to lie ever. I mean, comeon. They knew Jack so well. They could’ve sent a nice little, well dressed entrouge over to say ‘hey… you… doc. we need your help. think your up for saving the day?’ and like the super hero that he so badly wants to be Jack would be all ‘dun dum dum….(chest sticking out, cape flying in the breeze) Who needs my help?’ Just as he did last night.
    So that was a little dramatic but you get my point. Ben has never HAD to lie. Its the manipulation that plays into whatever it is that he’s up to.[/quote]

    Couldn’t agree more. I did not want to be too affirmative that he has never lied since he lied so much in the hatch while being captive, but this is his turf now, he rules the place, no need to lie, only manipulate like you said.

  133. samsandrasan says:

    It’s the little lies that makes con-artists so good and he said they were better than Sawyer. Why does Ben have any reason to say anything to Sawyer? We don’t know yet so, who knows what he’s lying about and why? I don’t trust a word he says. When you don’t know if a liar is lying or telling the truth – I would opt on the side of caution and assume he’s lying. Con-artists get you so wrapped up in the little details that you can’t see the big picture anymore and you lose your own good sense.

  134. MasterPo says:

    I’m not a doctor (and I don’t play on on TV 😉 ) but when I saw those xrays it looked to me like something metal was wrapped around the spine. Or, perhaps some kind of (hate to say it) parasite. It did not look like a tumor mass. I have seen xrays of tumors and they look more round and dense.

    ps- I don’t think it’s by chance those xrays were there. Althought the blonde brought Jack there to save the girl, I think he was meant to see those xrays.

  135. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10236″]
    Nah nah! You can’t pull that one! You can’t pull a Star Trek! 😉

    It’s very easy to portay a sense of distance by making things look bigger (closer) or smaller (further away). Add in a skyline and horizon and there you have a good sense of distance.

    On Trek (especially DS9 and TNG) there was always the criticsism that they have these hugh and powerful starships but in combat the ships are flown so close together like fighter planes. The stated answer was that it’s in space and because of the vastness distance is deceiving. While they look close together there really is thousands of miles between them.

    Few fans bought that explanation.[/quote]

    You all keep missing the point. Depth perception is NOT possible for someone watching TV. Depth perception IS possible for Sawyer who was there in person. He has two eyes evenly spaced apart just like the rest of us. That’s how we tell depth perception.

  136. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10245″]I’m not a doctor (and I don’t play on on TV 😉 ) but when I saw those xrays it looked to me like something metal was wrapped around the spine. Or, perhaps some kind of (hate to say it) parasite. It did not look like a tumor mass. I have seen xrays of tumors and they look more round and dense.

    ps- I don’t think it’s by chance those xrays were there. Althought the blonde brought Jack there to save the girl, I think he was meant to see those xrays.[/quote]

    I agree with the faith factor of him seeing the X-rays but I disagree that it’s anything other than a Tumor. Why? Simple, Jack is a spinal surgeon, he looks at those every day. When he says it’s a tumor in a 40 year old’s brain, I have to agree.

  137. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10244″]It’s the little lies that makes con-artists so good and he said they were better than Sawyer. Why does Ben have any reason to say anything to Sawyer? We don’t know yet so, who knows what he’s lying about and why? I don’t trust a word he says. When you don’t know if a liar is lying or telling the truth – I would opt on the side of caution and assume he’s lying. Con-artists get you so wrapped up in the little details that you can’t see the big picture anymore and you lose your own good sense.[/quote]

    Ben is trying to prove to Sawyer that they can con him. This is a strategy to gain his trust. He is doing the same with Jack by being honest (about his nature and full name), also to gain his trust. Ben is not lying, he is carefully trying to win the lostie’s trust for a reason we do not yet know.
    Ben is not a con. Ben was born in the island and *possibly* lived there all his life. he grew up in a tiny isolated community where everyone knew everyone. Not a good place to develop the skills necessary to become a pro con. Money has no value in the island.

  138. Hammer says:

    Well if telling Sawyer he and bunny have pace makers isn’t a lie…telling them that that don’t is…either way he lied on his own turf. You can’t trust Ben.

  139. samsandrasan says:

    Just a random thought – does anybody think those xrays might have been of Sawyer? They did just have him in the hospital unit. Ben did make a point of asking how old he was (close to 40).

    MasterPo-
    I think Jack would have known if it wasn’t a tumor. Different types of tumors have different densities and shapes. There are osteosarcomas (boney), soft tissue tumors, chondrosarcomas (cartiledge) etc.

  140. MK says:

    He did it to con Sawyer so he can gain his trust in the end. He came clean at the top of the mountain, he admitted to conning Sawyer.
    Plus it helped, they lied to him so he doesn’t escape. A lie that is unveiled in the same episode.

  141. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10248″]Not a good place to develop the skills necessary to become a pro con. Money has no value in the island.[/quote]

    Con-ing is manipulation. And there are many other reasons to manipulate people other than money.

  142. samsandrasan says:

    Thank you Hammer & Master

  143. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10250″]Just a random thought – does anybody think those xrays might have been of Sawyer? They did just have him in the hospital unit. Ben did make a point of asking how old he was (close to 40).
    [/quote]

    Doubt it. Though it is plausible, it does not make sense. I believe Sawyer would have died or shown some symptoms of having such a large foreign object in his body. He got really beat up by Dennis in the head but that didn’t affect him.
    Sawyer admits to being exactly 35, not 40ish.

  144. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10252″]
    Con-ing is manipulation. And there are many other reasons to manipulate people other than money.[/quote]

    I understand but who will he deceive and for what reasons? It’s the same people he deals with all his life on the island. Not like a megacity where you learn to deceive to survive.

  145. samsandrasan says:

    I guess I was thinking they used him to fake an xray of a tumor. Don’t know anyway…

  146. MK says:

    Jack would spot a fake

  147. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”10256″]I understand but who will he deceive and for what reasons? It’s the same people he deals with all his life on the island. Not like a megacity where you learn to deceive to survive.[/quote]

    But Ben has done a pretty good job of getting himself to be the head of the Others. Remember how defensive Juliette was when Jack suggested they answer to Ben?Who says deceipt, manipulation et al is only learned in civilization?

  148. sawyerseviltwin says:

    Just an observation-
    I like that Jack is employing the same tactic with Blonde Girl (forgot her name) that Benry used to drive a wedge between Jack and Locke.

  149. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10259″]But Ben has done a pretty good job of getting himself to be the head of the Others. Remember how defensive Juliette was when Jack suggested they answer to Ben?Who says deceipt, manipulation et al is only learned in civilization?[/quote]

    Touche. I think you bring up a good point. The fact that Ben is so deceptive to the point where he tricked everyone into thinking is is from Minesotta proves your point. However, because his level of deception is so keen, I believe the concept of a solo-island was taken too far by the writers.
    I still maintain that an isolated tiny village in the water can’t develop to become the civilized town they have portrayed it to be. The Others should be much simpler in my opinion.

  150. samsandrasan says:

    MK
    I don’t know about Ben (“been here all my life”) but I believe the town and the other Others were put there. Set up there. They didn’t evolve into the village, they were sent to the island. Juliette didn’t learn to be a surgeon on the island. Maybe Ben took over a group of people and the town but they are transplants from the outside (civilized) world. Even if Ben were a child or experiment of the original people, he would have been raised in a communal setting by people from the outside world. Besides, who knows what “I’ve been here all my life” means? When did his life start? Physically? Figuratively? Spiritually? I mean, we don’t really know who or why Ben is.

  151. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10265″]MK
    I don’t know about Ben (“been here all my life”) but I believe the town and the other Others were put there. Set up there. They didn’t evolve into the village, they were sent to the island. Juliette didn’t learn to be a surgeon on the island. Maybe Ben took over a group of people and the town but they are transplants from the outside (civilized) world. Even if Ben were a child or experiment of the original people, he would have been raised in a communal setting by people from the outside world. Besides, who knows what “I’ve been here all my life” means? When did his life start? Physically? Figuratively? Spiritually?[/quote]

    I think you’re right, they are far too evolved to be compared to some pygmy village.
    I think Ben said “I was born on this island”. Also, Juliette is just a fertility doctor. Nevertheless, I se and agree with your point.
    This means I agree with Ben being capable of extreme deception, which in turn means that Ben *could* be lying. He would have to be lying without a motive though, he is in a position of power of the losties.

  152. Hammer says:

    Ben said he was there “all my life” not “born here”.

  153. LostDamery says:

    Awesome over 150 posts for an episode some posted as weak and yet look at all the posts. Lost will be a show like MASH that will cross lines and touch hearts and stir up questions we all need to ask ourselves….Do you smell that?

  154. jj says:

    OK, call me stoopid, but can someone please explain why there being a second smaller island is so significant to Sawyer’s desire/ability to escape? And why hasn’t anyone SEEN this island already? When he looks out across the water with that confused, angry look, I expected to see a city or some kind of incredible structure, but instead all we saw was… water and land. Wow. Exciting. I don’t get it.

    ok, i think sawyer only saw the other island cuz of that stuff the otehres put in him, and theres still only 1 island, cus how would the polar bears get around?????????

  155. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10267″]Ben said he was there “all my life” not “born here”.[/quote]

    Selective hearing apparently. Thanks for the correction 🙂

  156. jj says:

    Edit, The Others have a Submarine!

    they also have cars!! look really close when juliet and ben look to the sky, in the bottom right corner of the screen u see a white car

  157. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10272″]Awesome over 150 posts for an episode some posted as weak and yet look at all the posts. Lost will be a show like MASH that will cross lines and touch hearts and stir up questions we all need to ask ourselves….Do you smell that?[/quote]

    Yeah, you guys are being quite productive! I’m having a hard time keeping up with all your clever ideas and theories. Don’t forget to eat, hehe. We’ll be here all day!

  158. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10278″]
    Yeah, you guys are being quite productive! I’m having a hard time keeping up with all your clever ideas and theories. Don’t forget to eat, hehe. We’ll be here all day![/quote]

    Anybody else gracefully abusing their company’s time and Internet connectivity to contribute their genuis ideas to the blog?
    No? am I the only one here? Shame on me.

  159. Julie says:

    Okay.. its 11am and I have gotten exactly ZERO work done. Im to busy reading all these posts. Between this and Myspace its amazing I have a job..mustless a life

  160. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10277″]Edit, The Others have a Submarine!

    they also have cars!! look really close when juliet and ben look to the sky, in the bottom right corner of the screen u see a white car[/quote]

    If that’s true then the idea of the Others living in the second smaller island is shot.

    Cars imply gasoline and paved roads. What the?

  161. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10284″]Okay.. its 11am and I have gotten exactly ZERO work done. Im to busy reading all these posts. Between this and Myspace its amazing I have a job..mustless a life[/quote]

    Amen to that

  162. Lisa says:

    [quote
    Wow your blowing my mind! Now I have to take back 2 cents for thinking my original thought that colleen said daddy was true and my last thought that she kissed Danny her husband is wrong…again I am duperfied and loving the ride.
    Answer: They really are good and used colleens heart to save Sawyer with a transplant after seeing he was going to die. (ask me later) They used her body as a test to see if Jack would really perform well on them, despite being a dead body, Ben wants to see if he can trust Jack to really try and get the thing off Ben’s spine.
    thanks I can come up with some more dribble …[/quote]

    I disagree with Sawyer having a transplant. When one has open heart surgery, you are cut open lengthwise (thru the ribcage). Sawyer’s incision was under the left breast. It does make you wonder what they did put in him.

    I, too,don’t think Henry is to be trusted. He is very manipulative!

  163. MasterPo says:

    [quote]I understand but who will he deceive and for what reasons? It’s the same people he deals with all his life on the island. Not like a megacity where you learn to deceive to survive.[/quote]

    I think based on the opening of the past 3rd episode (where we see the plane come down) and with what we’ve seen before with the balloon and the French woman, it’s very clear that other people arrive at/on the island (even if not by choice) on a fairly regular basis. Maybe more often than we think. Maybe on some kind of schedule. The Others clearly know what to do immediately when someone new arrives on the island.

    Even if we say Ben honed his skills at manipulation to get to be the leader of the Others, all the other things the Others have done – like setup the fake fishing village – couldn’t have been thought of, planned and constructed just in the 60 or so days the Losties have been on the island. All that had to have been in place already.

    ps- Lisa – I don’t think they put anything in him. I think the incision was just to make him think they did. Still wonder why they had to give him a cardio shot though. Could have much more easily knocked him out with a simply injection or gas.

  164. Bruce says:

    Maybe that’s where Michael went, and the children that were abducted

    …can someone please explain why there being a second smaller island …

  165. Bruce says:

    and maybe… the ‘other’ island is Atlantis (under water)

  166. Julie says:

    I think that the reason there are so many posts is that last nights episode gave us some validation. We all wanted to know what the hell was going on and well last night, while they didnt really answer a lot of questions, they did show us what is going on.
    You cant say ‘oh this is how they got there’ or anything like that but if you think about it… last night kinda just made you go ‘oh.. ok’.

  167. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10288″]
    I think based on the opening of the past 3rd episode (where we see the plane come down) and with what we’ve seen before with the balloon and the French woman, it’s very clear that other people arrive at/on the island (even if not by choice) on a fairly regular basis. Maybe more often than we think. Maybe on some kind of schedule. The Others clearly know what to do immediately when someone new arrives on the island.

    Even if we say Ben honed his skills at manipulation to get to be the leader of the Others, all the other things the Others have done – like setup the fake fishing village – couldn’t have been thought of, planned and constructed just in the 60 or so days the Losties have been on the island. All that had to have been in place already.
    [/quote]
    I agree with this (as I have confessed before). It’s just proof that they could not have been isolated. This does not disprove the idea of mass deception skills only capable of existing in civilized societies. You need to be able to comprehend and predict another human’s behavior and reaction in order to properly deceive them.
    Looking back at the human race history, deception has always been there but it only became apparent and limitless in our century.

  168. Julie says:

    Can anyone else say for sure that there was a car in the season 3 premier? I cant get my server to connect w/ the abc plug in. We just installed a new server and they probably put some kind of block on it. Freaking IT guys.
    edit: nevermind… got it to connect. I’m looking now

  169. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”10287″]I disagree with Sawyer having a transplant. When one has open heart surgery, you are cut open lengthwise (thru the ribcage). Sawyer’s incision was under the left breast. It does make you wonder what they did put in him.[/quote]

    I agree, I don’t care how advanced their science may be; you can’t do a heart transplant and leave a one inch scar. You have to crack the ribcage to get to the heart. I really do think they did do something. Yeah the farce put doubt into Sawyer but what a production! To go to all that trouble I think their efforts have more than one outcome for them. Besides, I think Ben is still deceiving Sawyer. If Sawyer is as good of a con as they say, he’s not going to trust Ben.

  170. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10296″]
    edit: nevermind… got it to connect. I’m looking now[/quote]

    Also, check the license plate on that car and whether the tag is still valid.

  171. Julie says:

    Okay.. just checked… theres no car.

  172. Andreas says:

    Thanks for taking a look Julie. If there was a car I would be surprised if I hadn’t seen it.

  173. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10303″]Thanks for taking a look Julie. If there was a car I would be surprised if I hadn’t seen it.[/quote]

    Well if there had been a car we were all slacking cause that would have been huge!
    I was pretty sure there wasn’t.. but you never know. There’s a white lawn set but thats the only white thing in that sequence.

  174. Jen says:

    Help…I went to a hockey game last night and my husband said he had the vcr set to tape lost, and when I got home it never taped a thing. Can’t I download the most recent lost episode for free somewhere on the web? If anyone knows I’d love to hear. Thanks.

  175. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10313″]Help…I went to a hockey game last night and my husband said he had the vcr set to tape lost, and when I got home it never taped a thing. Can’t I download the most recent lost episode for free somewhere on the web? If anyone knows I’d love to hear. Thanks.[/quote]

    abc.com

  176. Andreas L says:

    [quote comment=”9984″]I think this episode sucked! Why don’t the castaways ask some damn questions?!!! “Why am i here” “who are you”. The Others need to die and I can’t wait till they do. If I was on that island I would be a one-man rampage killing every damn Other till they answered my damn questions.[/quote]

    ya, same here, i would go loco and start killing “the others”. Im totally serious about this.

    However, this episode was quite good.
    No answers yet though, only clues.

  177. Bruce says:

    You can go back and watch the aerial view of the scene showing the two crash sites and the village in view.
    There’s one island.

    [quote comment=”10207″][quote comment=”10203″]I disagree with anyone who thinks that the sole justification for the Others living on the big island is when the plane crashed and Ben asked his two men to infiltrate the losties. Sure he said “run” but that doesn’t meant “take the boat first”.

    It would take a LOT longer to run to the debris sites than it would to take a boat (the one they had at that time before Michael and Walt took it). The crash sites were so far apart that it took Anna-Lucia and her captors almost a day to talk.

    I may be the only one who thinks that Others live in Alkatraz.[/quote]

    Well you also saw the tail end of the plane fall right next to them. The islands were way too far apart for that tail to land on a seperate island from where their community was. Watch the plane crash from episode one of this season, you’ll see what i’m saying…[/quote]

  178. kristin says:

    I love last nights show, I am still confused on why the others took sawyer to look at that island. I don’t believe that they are on a different island now. I knew that they didn’t put a pacemaker in sawyer. I am thinking that they took jack because he is a dr. and the others want him to help their leader. I am not sure on what the others will do to the people on the island since sun killed on of them. I must have missed the show on desmond and his reading the future.

  179. Bunny8 says:

    Don’t forget that there are recon/spy subs used for tourism and oceanography that can carry 3-6 people. These are small subs used for getting around and doing underwater work.

    The Galaga may be a small sub for up to six people (remember, Colleen said there was 5 people (i.e. Others) on the boat besides her before Sun shot her….

  180. Andreas says:

    If the Others have a submarine, it has to be a small submarine like Bunny8 says, I don’t think they have an Akula Class submarine or something similar.

  181. Alex says:

    Can someone explain what we know about the islands? First, it looked like there were def. two of them…but is it possible that one of them is completely desserted, and that everyone is living on one island?

    At the end of S2, were Jack, Kate, and Sawyer knocked out? No, right? So wouldn’t they know if they had been taken on a boat or something? Also, weren’t they walked off the peer? Confused…

  182. gigi says:

    [quote comment=”10115″]Ben is doing pretty good for himself if he really was the one with the tumor. Nevertheless, being born in the island and exposed to that intense magnetic field for so long… you never know.

    Though I think there has to be some sort of small boat (like the one Michael and Walt fled in) in addition to a subterranean tunnel. I can’t imagine cramming two bears in a submarine to have them transported to the main island.

    Consider the possibility that the EMF that the main island generates is strong enough to bend the light around it making Alkatraz covered by the sight of water, though it seemed too close to disappear.

    To answer Lesley’s question, I think they said the communication equipment stopped working since the sky turned purple.

    Absolutely amazing episode, except for tacking with the supernatural (Desmond). I was hoping they keep it strictily scientific. So far, *most* of the show has been plausible scientifically speaking. I’m probably going to get flamed for implying that humans cannot see the future but that’s my thought and I’m sticking to it 🙂

    I guess we confirmed that the two polar bears were once in those cages?[/quote]
    Someone else had the idea of cloning, which got me to thinking… What if the polor bears were brought as babies to the island and then cloned later as part of an experiment?? This would tie into the recurrent theme of babies-children and the kidnappings of Claire/Arron, Alexandra, and Michael’s son. It would also explain why they need Juliet, a fertility expert on the island.
    And in terms of Ben, my theory on why his tumor hasn’t been healed unlike Rose and Locke is because he was born on the island. I’m wondering if it is impossible to have children on the island if you were born there. Maybe that is why kate was kidnapped, to be a future mother??
    One more thing…does anyone else think it is possible that the plane was crashed intentionally so that jack, one of the leading spinal surgeons in the world (he had the miracle cure of sara), would be available for the surgery on Ben??

  183. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”10365″]
    At the end of S2, were Jack, Kate, and Sawyer knocked out? No, right? So wouldn’t they know if they had been taken on a boat or something? Also, weren’t they walked off the peer? Confused…[/quote]

    It’s completely unclear how Jack and the rest got to wherever they are. Ben gave Michael and Walt the power boat (so when are we going to find out if they did “find rescue” as Ben put it?) and didn’t seem at all concerned about not having a boat.

    To me that can mean a few things:

    1) They have another power boat we haven’t seen yet.

    2) They took Jack et. al. in a sub.

    3) Jack et al got to the other island via a tunnel.

    4) They are all on the same big island and it’s all some kind of deception.

  184. MK says:

    MasterPro I agree with the fact that they’re very likely to have other means of moving from one island to the next. If one boat breaks or runs of out of fuel, what next? stranded? It’s even likelier that they have a tunnel system, possibly inherited from Dharma

    gigi The plane was not crashed deliberately, Desmond believes he crashed it by being careless about the timer and wandering off too far in a 108 min period.

  185. MasterPo says:

    MK – I don’t think fuel and parts are an issue for them. The Others clearly have some way of communicating with the outside and get regular supply drops. If they needed fuel or parts I’m sure they could request it.

    I just wonder what they used the sub for originally. If we presume the islands, the sea and the whole place is artificial why need a sub? Why study an artificial ocean?

    OTOH, if the environment is natural then there might be something interesting down there to study. A form of life? A lost city?

  186. MK says:

    Thanks MasterPro. I just meant that if a motor boat breaks down, it may take time to repair. If it shutsdown in the middle of the ocean, they would need a backup plan, a second boat possibly.

    I think the sub might have been used to maintain that Dharma station being submerged and all.

  187. Mangoman says:

    great episode. Lost redeemed itseld, cuz lastweeks episode sucked. I kinda liked that Paulo guy. And what happened to Bernard and Rose?

  188. Mabry says:

    My first thought about the X-Rays and the spinal tumor was that they belonged to Locke. We still don’t know how he was paralyzed, right? Wouldn’t a spinal tumor do that? That would also explain why the island seems to have healed him- it shrunk Rose’s cancer as well, remember?
    I know that Locke is probably older than 40- but you can’t always tell age from an X-ray. I know this because I have had severe trauma to my neck causing problems with the bones, and on my X-rays my neck looks like it is about 50 years old, even though I was about 16 at the time 🙂

    As for the 2-way mirror theory, if the Losties looked out at the direction of the small island, wouldn’t they see a reflection of their own island (as opposed to nothing)? I think it is more likely that Ben once again conned Sawyer, and that the island he showed to him was an illusion of some sort. Maybe I’m just confused about this 2-way mirror theory.
    My personal belief is that they are on one island.

  189. LostConvert says:

    Interesting reading. I’m a new blogger so here’s my 2 cents. Someone mentioned that the others killed all the people taken from the tailies. We don’t actually know that do we? Didn’t we see a bunch of kids walking through the forest when some of the losties were hiding in season 2?

    Doesn’t it make sense that the reason they take kids is because the gene pool there is pretty small? That’s also why they would have a fertility doctor – maybe using embryo’s from elsewhere to keep the population going or ensuring that those who can procreate together do?

    I thought the tunnels were more likely than the sub at first but on the other hand i don’t remember seeing jack/sawyer/kate being walked off the dock at the end of season 2 – i do remember them waking up in their cells which means they could have been transported somewhere by sub while knocked out. Also – didn’t the others who got the sailboat come from the water? Again suggests sub.

    Nothing has convinced me yet on the other island.

    And.. what’s this about only 2 more episodes until the “break”? I watched season 1 and 2 on DVD over the past few months so don’t know the broadcast schedule.

  190. patience says:

    Is anyone else having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that we only get two more episodes, and then another three month break. The more I think about it the more it bums me out. I know they’re going to blow our minds with episode five and ep. six, all of you guys who think they need to answer more questions and solve more mysteries, hold fast we are in for a real treat.

  191. LostDamery says:

    Ante up, here is another 2 cents:
    Proof of the sub theory:
    1) the others boarded the sail boat from the water dry!
    2) the view looking at the sail boat did not show another boat…thus sub is under water or near water level.
    3) no one heard the boat motor ..okay they could have rowed up in a big old Others Canoe.(but I don’t think so)
    4) Juliet was holding the keys to a mini sub when she was walking Jack to do the surgery.
    *note: okay I made #4 up but better check the TIVO to be sure…

  192. dave says:

    again with my confusion… if Desmond wanted Claire to go for a walk, knowing full well that Aaron was in danger why did he offer to STAY with Aaron? Shouldn’t he have told Claire that he felt Aaron was in danger…(no wait she would have freaked out). OK so, Desmond tried to be discreet about what he was attempting-he would have taken Aaron away from their tent before the lightning struck. But when the lightning did strike through the rod Desmond contructed, where did it finally strike? I thought it was the crib. Any clarification would be nice, thanks.

  193. Floorcookie says:

    Interesting episode. Here are some of my thoughts (some has been said already, some of my own). I apologize in advance for my inability to express myself with anything even remotely similar to brevity.

    Large theme ideas: I think part of the reason this was satisfying was that we see the Others looking and acting unprepared and helpless, unlike the previous episodes where they appear smug and ultra-superior. Earlier it was implied that they had “everything” at their finger tips: outside world info, baseball highlights, houses, Stephen King Books, etc. On this episode we see a different side: they are mortal (one actually dies), no “crash cart” for Jack to apply the paddles, no “real” doctor just an infertility specialist, and one of them has an honest-to-god tumor…

    Life is not quite as rosy for the Others as they had previously implied.

    Thought #1: I think “the sub is back” does not refer to a submarine. Obviously they need a way for transportation between islands but something about the way it was said seemed too… obvious. Wouldn’t you say, “Bob is back” or “The strike team is back”. Why mention the sub? I don’t think the writers of this show would stoop to such a glaringly obvious line just for the sake of dropping the others-have-a-submarine bombshell. Instead they could have just shown us a quick shot of the submarine or (even more likely) a quick edit of the machine that we need to rewind five times…

    Plus these guys are all about the word plays: anagrams, double meanings, etc. So I’m going on record, the “sub” is not a submarine.

    Thought #2: Something about the way Ben said, “We aren’t KILLERS!” struck me. I don’t think he was defending himself. It almost sounded more like he was accusing everyone else. We already know from flashbacks that many of the crash survivors have killed people back in the “real world”. And I anticipate that we will find more that have as well. This is significant although I haven’t come up with any ideas how. Just that Ben seemed to have some serious LOATHING in his voice when he said it. He truly believes he is on a higher existence than the crash survivors because they have all crossed some line that he has not. And it is tied to whether or not you have killed someone.

    Thought #3: This comes from the recap on ew.com but I thought it was a good idea: Ben and Juliette are brother and sister. Possibly twins. Maybe Juliette has been to the real world but Ben has not. Sibling rivalry could explain the dynamic between them and might shed more light on Juliette’s claims that she and Ben are equal and make decisions together…

    Thought #4: The thing with the rabbit and the shot and the “surgery” had more to it than to just simply scare Sawyer into compliance. Obviously there is some weird animal stuff going on. I don’t think it as much genetic as it is mental/psychic/spiritual. I think that possibly they are swapping souls/minds with animals. Possibly the thing with the rabbit was a test to see if Sawyer was compatible with the procedure. To see if part of Sawyer’s “energy” could be projected onto the rabbit. I think maybe this procedure already happened with the Polar Bear and some little kid (that’s why the PB has a child’s toy in his cave and he probably dragged Eko there for companionship more than for food).

    Anyway, the whole thing with the rabbit was our first glimpse at what the Others are up to.

    So I guess that’s more than enough for this week. Thanks for all the cool thoughts everyone!

    — Mike

  194. patience says:

    Maybe the Hostiles moved to the smaller island back in 1985 when the cerberus system was malfuctioning(nineteen years would be long enough to construct what is being called Othersville). We still dont know what the large question mark was in the center of the big island on the blast door map. But They still need to someone to Push the button in the swan, So they had radzinsky sucker Kelvin into doing it, Maybe radzinksy isnt really dead after all his handy editing work was found by eko in the arrow station how did that get there? After all its not like truth telling was inman’s strongest virtue I believe Radzinsky is still alive and out there somewhere with no allgeiance to the losties or the Hostiles Obviously he knows a great deal of information about the island after all he created the blast door map, and he will answer our questions and solve some of our mysteries i think he was there before kelvin was. I dont know though i have mainly given up on coming up with theories but that would be intresting dont you think? Watch Radzinsky is really Lockes Father who is also the real mr. Sawyer or something star warsy like that that would tie alot of things together. That would be hilarious LOL Alright i rambling sorry.

  195. samsandrasan says:

    If the tumor is for real, I don’t think it is Ben. It is probably someone we have not seen yet. Such a thing would be debilitating. I haven’t seen anyone with so much as a limp.

    I think the smaller island does exist and it makes sense to me to locate an animal facility, research lab etc. away from where they live.

    It does make me wonder about the Pala Ferry sign. Pala means Protector. Whatever forces are hiding the island from the outside world could be located and controlled offshore or on another island. Hence the ferry to “Pala” or the protector. The cable may have been an energy supply from wherever that is.

    Pala is also another form of Palai which is on the southwestern tip of India. It is also a biblical term but I am still looking at that.

  196. MasterPo says:

    Back to S2, if the Others aren’t killers how did the real Henry die? Who burried the real Henry? If it was his wife where is she? If it was the Others why did they burry him in such a manner?

    ps- If the Others aren’t killers they sure don’t mind other people killing in thier name like Michael shooting the two Lostie women to free Ben!

  197. The Nogfish says:

    Wow Mike, you completely re-railed my theories.

    (I love it when that happens)

    I can’t wait until Desmond’s ESP is actually used for something major,

    like if he leads a party to the Others camp and can tell where the Others are hiding and such to regain the advantage…

    I felt it was a pretty good episode, but the preview for next week left me feeling depressed that I must wait another week for my LOST fix…

  198. MasterPo says:

    Another thing: If the Others aren’t killers why did they so quckly shoot Sawyer on the raft? Yes I know he shot at them first but they seemed very prepared to shoot and not just threaten.

    And it was the dead-woman who through the fire bomb onto the raft. Again, they had that planned and ready. I’m all for hoping for the best but being prepared for the worst. Nevertheless these are not the actions of peaceful-at-heart people IMO.

  199. Floorcookie says:

    [quote comment=”10392″]Back to S2, if the Others aren’t killers how did the real Henry die? Who burried the real Henry? If it was his wife where is she? If it was the Others why did they burry him in such a manner?

    ps- If the Others aren’t killers they sure don’t mind other people killing in thier name like Michael shooting the two Lostie women to free Ben![/quote]

    Agreed. I think they justify it someway. They see themselves as superior somehow and for them it is a very literal thing (letter of the law – obviously not the spirit). They have a perspective on it that everyone else does not. Perhaps an analogy is “torturing” an addict by forcing them to detox. Or forcing an oyster to take a grain of sand in order to create a pearl.

    I don’t want to get into a whole “does the end justify the means…” discussion but I think that whatever the Others are up to they believe a) they are superior somehow (and it is related to taking another life) and b) it is for the general good (they really believe they are the “good guys”).

  200. James says:

    so, how about the other beeing also losties? going thruh the same story “our” losties going through now? a never endnding repeating story? like they solve the secret of the island(s) and declare to protect it from others..etc…just a thought…i still hope jack is going to be send home…i just can’t stand his face anymore…

  201. Martijn says:

    Great episode. My thoughts:

    They are on one island. On season 3 ep 1 ben tells goodwin to go to where the tailsection crashed.. he says “you run, you can make that in an hour”.

    I also believe by rewatching the first episode that they are on the same island. You can see when the plain goes down that this luxury neighborhood is ‘attached’ to where the plain goes down.

    I don’t believe that there are 2 islands, at least not yet.

    Oh and about that car about 100 post earlier, there was a van on the island yes, but this was just a production error.. ( see: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/1364/3127/1600/van.jpg )

  202. edward says:

    [quote comment=”10201″]We haven’t seen Mrs.Klugh much this season have we? Maybe she and a bunch of other Others are at the camp on the big island?

    I went back and looked at the scene where Sayid finds the cable and we do see the sea and there is no other island visible.

    I agree completely with Julie on how the big island can be seen from ‘Alcatraz’, sounds very possible to me.
    Also, Julie is right about everyone being welcome here. No questions are dumb questions! And besides, I’m the only one who gets to tell people they can’t write something here! =)[/quote]

    I always assumed the cable that led up the beach to Danielle’s camp was the tether to her wrecked boat. If the cable is a communication line to her camp, why would the others want to talk to her anyway? After all, she trapped and gave up Ben didn’t she.

  203. sawyerseviltwin says:

    I believe the smaller island is protected by an S.E.P. Field.

    Simply put, an SEP field is an energy field similar to an invisibility field. When somebody, or something, is surrounded by a SEP field, the human brain perceives it as “somebody else’s problem”, and therefore will be incapable of paying attention to the object (or even seeing it, or recognizing its existence) unless it is being specifically looked for.

    Thank you Douglas Adams!

  204. James says:

    there ain’t no second island. this is a sea-fatamorgana! con in it’s high est level. or there might be this second island but they are still on the lost island. con as con can doe…

  205. mellowdrama says:

    no the lightening rod was exactly that…a lightening rod. he saw the future again and it was that lightening would strike clair and charlies tent with aaron inside and wanted to help them move BUT they didn’t want to. so instead he put that up next to their tent to keep it from striking them

  206. Kandi says:

    Hey guys. I am new to this blog and to the whole blogging scene. Reading everyone’s theories and ideas compelled me to jump in. I want to know if anyone has any theories on Claire and what is so special about her baby. In season 1 (or was it 2)she had her cards read and was told that her baby was “special”, and she should be on guard. Is Desmond after the baby and is that why he offered to fix her “roof”?

    Anyway…about the whole show. My theories is…they are all in an insane asylum of some kind. This is all a figment of 1 losties imagination. Let’s look at everyone’s story. Each charactor has some reason to be insane. The others…couldn’t they be “the doctors”. Is anyone else thinking along these lines??????

  207. violet says:

    love the humor in the posts.

    Andreas, why don’t you do a side-by-side photo disclaimer of the warden and henry gale’s driver’s license, for old time’s sake? 😉

  208. David says:

    Ben and the others take Sawyer for a walk early in the morning (still in the dark), that means just before high tide by the time they where in the top of the clif the high tide is covering part of the island… so they con Sawyer to believe he is an alcatraz tipe island…

  209. Mayce says:

    FLoorcookie – great insight on the juliet benry sibling theory

    i think they have u-boat.

    As for my contribution to this great board:
    I believe the glass eye belongs to the gentleman with the eye patch. And i believe that gentleman is the asian dude in the DHARMA instruction videos.

  210. Bruce says:

    Yes! watch “Brain Dead” with Bill Pullman (1990)

    … My theories is…they are all in an insane asylum of some kind. This is all a figment of 1 losties imagination. Let’s look at everyone’s story. Each charactor has some reason to be insane. The others…couldn’t they be “the doctors”. Is anyone else thinking along these lines??????[/quote]

  211. matrixtrain says:

    A Quick note to some earlier posts. Einstein’s theory of general relativity states that space and time are relative to motion. In other words time and space are not absolute, motion affects them. Gravity is in fact mass curving space. I’m wondering if lost is dipping into heavy theoretical physics like string theory? For a competent and fairly easy read on relativity, quantum physics, and string theory, check out The Elegant Universe by Dr. Brian Greene.

  212. Mabry says:

    [quote comment=”10436″]Ben and the others take Sawyer for a walk early in the morning (still in the dark), that means just before high tide by the time they where in the top of the clif the high tide is covering part of the island… so they con Sawyer to believe he is an alcatraz tipe island…[/quote]

    Wow- that’s a really neat idea. I like the way you think – and I bet you’re right 🙂

  213. Mangoman says:

    MasterPo wrote:

    ps- I don’t think Syid was dumb. I think, as someone else previously theorized, he wanted them to take the boat. He has a tracking device on it. The question is now that the hatch is destroyed does he still have the receiver unit? And did the apparent EMP fry it?

    Why would he want them to take their boat if he told Sun to stay on it?

  214. Pam says:

    I’m just thinking out loud:
    I wonder if the others didn’t need to walk Jack past Sawyer and Kate to get to the emergency room that really there are several ways to get there from his cell, and they wanted to rouse Sawyer up. And if they are on a seperate island did they only take the shot woman to the second island (which is seems like it’s used solely as a prison island) so the others could bring Jack in a make him feel doctorly and important, and eventually manipulating him to do even more doctoring after this spinal tumor, because there must be good doctors in the group of others.
    Maybe the second island is really the first island, and the first island is really the second? So if Sawyer and Kate ever become so crazy and ingeniuos as to escape the island, if they get to the “first island” it’s really the second one and they are all alone…
    What if they really did put the heart exploder aparatus in Sawyer’s heart…in that case if I were Sawyer I’d run around, raise my heart rate and test that theory, because if he dies he doesn’t have much to live for: he’s under the control of the others, Kate doesn’t love him…
    I don’t know who, but someone commented that Ben is the only 40 something male other who matters, and therefore important to save from a tumor, and I disagree. The others have established a tight community, and although there seems to be leaders and they are not afraid to punish there own, everyone in the community is important to the others for survival (assuming the island(s) is really seperated from the rest of the world), so there could be many 40 something male others in need of saving from a tumor.

  215. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10453″]A Quick note to some earlier posts. Einstein’s theory of general relativity states that space and time are relative to motion. In other words time and space are not absolute, motion affects them. Gravity is in fact mass curving space. I’m wondering if lost is dipping into heavy theoretical physics like string theory? For a competent and fairly easy read on relativity, quantum physics, and string theory, check out The Elegant Universe by Dr. Brian Greene.[/quote]

    You’re confusing Einstein with Heinsenberg’s theory of uncertainty. The string theory, particle physics, and quantum mechanics are not applicable in such a tiny scale (the island).

  216. Pastor2churches says:

    Try these:

    1 – Ben wakes Sawyer early in the morning, on an Island with heavy forestation and walks for a long time (at least until the sun is well up). But Ben tells Sawyer that the island they are on is “about twice the size of Alcatraz.” The real Alcatraz is 18.86 Acres; twice that would be about 37 acres. Would it take an hour or two to walk 20 acres (remembering that the size of Alcatraz included the whole mass of the place)?? Or are the cages on the “main” island and they had to walk through the underwater caves that some on this blog are proposing, and thus the time it took for the sun to rise??

    2 – perhaps this was an error by the filming crew but as Ben is telling Sawyer that “The rabbit is not what I brought you up here to see” (or something like that), if you look carefully over Sawyer’s left shoulder you will see, in the far back-ground, a very long beach with many trees that is either a) part of the “small” Island they are on (so that Ben’s comment on the size of this island must be false), or b) another island all together.

    3 – Several of the losties have gotten the idea that they are on the island to “save” someone. Locke said so to Eko in 3.2 and in season 2; Eko showed that idea about himself in season 2; and now Jack asks who he is here to save. Hummm…

  217. Pastor2churches says:

    Sorry, one more thing. If the Benjamites (couldn’t resist!) could acquire a tape of the Red Sox’s victory why is it that they don’t have a working set of shocking paddles on a working “crash-cart”? That is to ask, did Ben allow Colleen to die? He did not seem upset in the least.

    Strange…

  218. Brent says:

    well.. suppose its not only a massivly powerful gravity well that can bend space time to make a force field but maybe the whole island is a time capsule.. like an island version of Noahs Ark. While the earth goes to hell in a handbasket the enlightened scientist types make a nirvanna island paradise. ala adam and eve or .. well pick your own religious slant. would need Drs. and fertility experts no?

  219. Tropical Polar Bear says:

    Great episode. Ben is king con. Will Sawyer come up with a long con? or will he start to have tamed rabbit behavior? I think the theory of the spinal x-ray being Lockes (when he was 40ish) is an interesting one. He was about 40 at the weed farm. It seems too predictable for the x-ray to be Bens.
    During the first episode this year, didn’t it appear that Ben knew the plane was coming. After the island shook, he was looking to the sky, in multiple directions, for the plane which did not come into view for a little while. If this was already discussed, I apologize.

  220. Ann says:

    In the Dharma documentaries from the Pearl, it said the Pala Ferry took the Dharma employees to the barracks after their shift. Michael left from the Pala Ferry. Ben said he would
    “find rescue” close by. He lead Michael straight to the 2nd island where the barracks are located. He and Walt are there somewhere on the experiemental island. Remember the shower that Kate took. There were many separate showers for all those Dharma employees, which shows it is the barracks. Also, the map on the blast door shows that all stations used to meet in the middle at the question mark spot. They are X’d out on the drawing. We saw that the one from the Swan was covered with concrete. With all those tunnels, there probably is one to the 2nd island. I do also think there is a sub.

  221. JD says:

    Here is my question. After Colleen dies, why does Picket storm over to Sawyers cage, drag him in front of Kate and pound on him while asking if she loves him. He keeps going until she says yes, then he stops. WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS? It is more than venting. It reminds me of episode 1 where Ben comments on the fact that Kate mentions Sawyer before Jack. Why do the others care about this relationship?

  222. Amy says:

    Here is a thought, the man who beat sawyer up is pissed bc Sun shot his woman. Now…maybe Sun wouldnt have shot the woman if the others havent been SCREWING with them since they crashed on the island. You cant play hide-n-go-seek, snatch-n-go, etc., and expect people to welcome you onto their sailboat in the middle of the night! I mean really.

    I thought about fertility after last night too. Is that why the children are so important?

    If Ben was born on the island, maybe he was cloned on the island…in other words…”born”.
    And Ben had some great lines last night that made me laugh! He is a great character…”dont you read”, “you dont”–both said to sawyer.

    Perhaps the bookclub reading Carrie is relevant to Desmonds new “powers”.

    As for the posts today, some of you crack me up! Like “how do you know? have you been down there?” And, “unless they are jesus or peter”… funny.

    I hope I didnt put too many spaces in. I thought the comment was harsh about” dont type LIKE THAT again or I’ll ban you from the site. Ouch. Makes me rethink reading and posting on here for fear of being “warned” or label “dimbulbed”.

  223. JD says:

    You miss my point. If he is just pissed, he just would have beat Sawyer up. Simply have kept pummeling him until somebody stopped him. That is not what happened though. Why the tie in to the ‘do you love him’ question? That means something.

  224. wolverinegambit says:

    Hey guys! This is my first actual post. I was wondering, do we know for a fact that the Hostiles and Others are the same? What if they’re is a seperate group besides the Others (the Hostiles) running around somewhere? Just a thought.

  225. Lesley says:

    JD, I think that Pickett wanted Kate to feel exactly the same way he felt unless she loves Sawyer she cannot feel exactly the way he does. He loved his wife, she is dead and he feels beyond terrible. He not only wants revenge but he wants the people responsible to feel (mirror) his pain. If he hurts Sawyer not only does he release his anger but he gets to witness one of the people hurt in the same way. That person therefore, must be in love with the one he is hurting. I think that is why he kept asking. He needed to know she was in as much pain as he was.

  226. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10436″]Ben and the others take Sawyer for a walk early in the morning (still in the dark), that means just before high tide by the time they where in the top of the clif the high tide is covering part of the island… so they con Sawyer to believe he is an alcatraz tipe island…[/quote]

    Great theory! It looked like there was deep water between the islands but I suppose a strong tide could explain that.

    It doesn’t explain why Ben talked about a “sub” but to be honest I would prefer if your idea was true.

    [quote comment=”10484″]I hope I didnt put too many spaces in. I thought the comment was harsh about” dont type LIKE THAT again or I’ll ban you from the site. Ouch. Makes me rethink reading and posting on here for fear of being “warned” or label “dimbulbed”.[/quote]

    The guy had written a pretty long post all in CAPITALIZED LETTERS, seemingly to get everyone’s attention. Capitalized posts are harder to read, disturb the page flow and are quite childish in my opinion. Everyone is welcome here but I expect you to follow basic Internet etiquette.

  227. MK says:

    Did anyone catch the location of the sun when they reached the summit?

    They made a point to show them leave at dawn but that’s not to say they walked for hours. A beautiful bright sunrise is only an hour after dawn. Maybe they took the time to grab some rations and gave Sawyer a few moments to prepare himself for the walk. Also, they were climbing vertically which takes more time since Sawyer was afraid of having his heart explode at the time.

    If Sawyer walked through some sort of underground tunnel, I think he would be less shocked at the sight of a second island across the horizon.

    I do believe Ben, they really are on a separate smaller island. The illusion of having walked for hours is a glitch in the timeline of the show, not deliberate IMHO.

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  229. ulilah says:

    hi. I’m a new blogger totally sucked by Lost. I rewatched recently Seasons 1 and 2.
    And there is one thing comming to my mind (scan through your posts and not noticed it) – Atlantis and Atlantic people. They were smart, could communicate mentally, but at the end they thought they are too superior, lost any feelings (such as love, maternity instinct, greeve etc.) and their civilisation broke. and their island- continent(!!) sunk. maybe the island, losties are on is the rest of the atlantis (sub is needed for the reasearchers to see the rest that is underwater). the island may appear above the water in 1964 and become checked and treated in many ways by scientists connected to the army.
    I thought about atlantis before but it was the fourfinger foot of the huge statue that Sayid Jin and Sun noticed from the sailboat. What you thonk about it.
    oh, and maybe the island itself is like a living organism that has a soul of all the atlantic people that lived there before and the island seek help from losties. they are there to help the island because she’s fed up with the experiments that “good” others are making on her?

  230. MK says:

    If this island was so outrageously important such as a remergin Atlantis, I think scientists and archeologists would be swarming to study every inch of the island. Doesn’t appear to be the case.

  231. Pastor2churches says:

    It is possible that the producers or writers messed up on the time line of how long it took to get Sawyer from the cage to the top of “Alcatraz”; possible, but I very much doubt it.

    But here’s the other thing, what is the relationship between these items:

    1) Ben takes Sawyer out to show him the other Island, not the rabbit – but he brought the rabbit all that way in his side sack.

    2) Ben tells Sawyer that all they put in him was “a little doubt.” Is this also why he shows Sawyer the other Island – of if not, then why? It seems that Ben has far more to lose by showing Sawyer the other Island than he has to gain?

    3) What possible reason could Ben have for telling Sawyer the approximate size of the Island? Also, the comparison to Alcatraz is not unintentional. Of course it was a prison Island, and so Ben says, “Now let’s take you back to your cage.”

    Did anyone else see the shoreline off in the distance over Sawyer’s shoulder as I posted above, or is it just me??

  232. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”10424″]
    My theories is…they are all in an insane asylum of some kind. This is all a figment of 1 losties imagination. Let’s look at everyone’s story. Each charactor has some reason to be insane. The others…couldn’t they be “the doctors”. Is anyone else thinking along these lines??????[/quote]

    That was discussed last season I believe. Personally, if this is true and it’s just a retake on the movie “Identity”, that would be very disappointing.

  233. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10401″]Great episode. My thoughts:

    They are on one island. On season 3 ep 1 ben tells goodwin to go to where the tailsection crashed.. he says “you run, you can make that in an hour”.

    I also believe by rewatching the first episode that they are on the same island. You can see when the plain goes down that this luxury neighborhood is ‘attached’ to where the plain goes down.

    I don’t believe that there are 2 islands, at least not yet.

    Oh and about that car about 100 post earlier, there was a van on the island yes, but this was just a production error.. ( see: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/1364/3127/1600/van.jpg )[/quote]

    Okay people….. you are saying that they are on one island because when the plane crashed they said they could make it in AN HOUR.
    Think of them having to commute. Like people who live in Hawaii may live on one island and work on another. They may do the same.
    Coleen says to Ben and Juliet in the glass ballerina something like ‘they have a boat’ to which Juliet says ‘ so.. they’ll sail in circles.’ to which Coleen says something like “They could find us”. So maybe they live on the same island as the losties… but I think that its clear they work on a separate island.
    But thats just my opinion.

  234. samsandrasan says:

    What if they moved off of the big island after the plane crashed to hide on another island or outpost? Later, when they found out the losties had a boat they were afraid they would find them in their new location.

  235. Julie says:

    Anyone notice the title for next weeks episode? Sounds kind of ominous. (cant spell for crap today….its friday.)

  236. Hammer says:

    Their village was quite large. If it is on the main island, how come no one has found it? Seems to me they have been spending most of their time away from it since the crash. Who’s proctecting it?

  237. MK says:

    [quote comment=”10646″]Anyone notice the title for next weeks episode? Sounds kind of ominous. (cant spell for crap today….its friday.)[/quote]

    I think we’re not allowed to discuss these in here

  238. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”10649″]Their village was quite large. If it is on the main island, how come no one has found it? Seems to me they have been spending most of their time away from it since the crash. Who’s proctecting it?[/quote]

    Maybe they dismantled it. With everything else they seem capable of, it wouldn’t be a stretch.

  239. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10654″][quote comment=”10646″]Anyone notice the title for next weeks episode? Sounds kind of ominous. (cant spell for crap today….its friday.)[/quote]

    I think we’re not allowed to discuss these in here[/quote]

    Yeah, Andreas is trying to decide if future episodes and previews are spoilers.

  240. Pam says:

    If there were a tunnel do you think it would run in a straight between the islands? Or you it curve around to make way for underwater bolders, etc. Because if they took Sawyer through the tunnel and it were straight he would wonder how they fit a long and straight tunnel in beneath the island.
    How far to you supose is between the two islands? How long is the first island?

  241. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”10698″]If there were a tunnel do you think it would run in a straight between the islands? Or you it curve around to make way for underwater bolders, etc. Because if they took Sawyer through the tunnel and it were straight he would wonder how they fit a long and straight tunnel in beneath the island.
    How far to you supose is between the two islands? How long is the first island?[/quote]

    I think the theory is that the station they are working out of currently is on the 2nd island. The “tunnels” or “sub” would have been used to get J,K and
    S all there after their dock scene in the S2 finale.

  242. dave says:

    Ok… even thru my confusion I am NOT convinced the others work & connive on another island. Wasn’t there a point made (either on this blog or elsewhere) that the others built the dock as a means to convince Sayid, Jin and Sun that they had found the others village? If so, then couldn’t we construe that if they had ENOUGH manpower for constructing docks and the like that must be more than a handful of Others. With all the deceptions and tricks and there has got to be a large population of Others living and breathing on the Lost island and not the smaller island. With that said I now feel that it COULD be possible that their cages, experimenting and medical facilities could be on the smaller island and only a select few travel back and forth from island to island. Hmmmm…(?) Don’t you hate it when just when you have something to say another crazy idea gets going in your head and you feel like the momentum was lost for the initial idea? I feel it right now. LOL- I seem to be stuck on the’ 2 islands’ thoughts.

  243. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”10660″][quote comment=”10654″][quote comment=”10646″]Anyone notice the title for next weeks episode? Sounds kind of ominous. (cant spell for crap today….its friday.)[/quote]

    I know of the spoilers rule.. but since I was just talking about the title.. which is posted at the top right of this page I didnt think that would be considered a spoiler.
    Sorry if it is. 🙂

  244. Hammer says:

    Julie,

    I think we are just saying “Let’s not get into it” even though it’s just the title. We can discuss it if Andreas starts a thread.

  245. Love's Labor Lost says:

    Okay, first of all, the Others are not good. Some of them are more likable than others, but none of them are to be trusted (remember Juliet pulling the gun on Sawyer?). Secondly, in the observation about the Losties being not all that good, we should remember literary techniques and characterizations here–the Losties were presented to us as the protagonists of the story, and whether they’re morally good or not, they’re still the protagonists. The Others, who I still say are arguably “bad” morally are definitely bad in the sense that they serve as the antagonists to our Lostie protagonists.

  246. patience says:

    the others are too killers remember when Goodwin killed that one tailie in the second season, he let him out of the cage and then snapped his neck. Ethan Tried to kill charlie in season one, the others are responsible for the deaths of Ana Lucia, libby and shannon in one way or another and ben himself tried to kill Ana Lucia by strangling her until locke cracked him with is crutches. Desmond and Kelvin refer to them as the Hostiles. Seriously what the hell is good about these people. Im with Sawyer. GO TEAM!

  247. Joel says:

    There is an idea that I haven’t seen much talk about. Juliette was once a normal fertility doctor in the real world, but is now part of the group of Others. She tells Jack in the previous episonde, “It doesn’t matter what we were, just who we are now.” (something like that) She turned for some reason– Ben et al convinced her to work with them. This is going to be Jack’s fate, too, unless he can fight the mind games that have worked previously. The rest of the show will be about whether the Losties give in or fight the powers that take away their identities. The back stories are a way to remind all of us that these imperfect identites are still independent and not brainwashed into whatever the Others are. I STILL don’t get what the driving force behind the Others’ outward behavior is. Why do they do what they do?

  248. Joel says:

    Sorry to follow my own posting with another, but I just looked back at some of the older threads from the end of last season and realized something. In “Every Man for Himself”, after Kate tries to free Sawyer from his cage, she returns to her own cage and says to Sawyer “Live together, die alone”, which was the name of another episode in season 2, I believe. Why did she say it? What is the connection? I might be forgetting something. Why did she crawl back into her cage anyway? Does that indicate that she is afraid to run, even though she usually acts pretty fearless…

  249. matrixtrain says:

    [quote comment=”10467″][quote comment=”10453″]A Quick note to some earlier posts. Einstein’s theory of general relativity states that space and time are relative to motion. In other words time and space are not absolute, motion affects them. Gravity is in fact mass curving space. I’m wondering if lost is dipping into heavy theoretical physics like string theory? For a competent and fairly easy read on relativity, quantum physics, and string theory, check out The Elegant Universe by Dr. Brian Greene.[/quote]

    You’re confusing Einstein with Heinsenberg’s theory of uncertainty. The string theory, particle physics, and quantum mechanics are not applicable in such a tiny scale (the island).[/quote]

    I could be wrong about this (I’m NOT a physicist) but I was under the impression that one of the problems of modern physics is that General Relativity works on a large scale, and quantum physics works on the small (like sub-atomic) scale. However they completly break down the other way (quantum mechanics on a large scale and Relativity on a small scale). I thought part of what string theory (or M theory now) is trying to do is discover a universal theory. In any case my bigger point was that space and time are relative not absolute. (Feel free to correct me if I’m off base, like I said I’m an amateur)

  250. Mabry says:

    [quote]Hey guys! This is my first actual post. I was wondering, do we know for a fact that the Hostiles and Others are the same? What if they’re is a seperate group besides the Others (the Hostiles) running around somewhere? Just a thought.[/quote]
    That’s kind of an interesting point. The Hostiles, I assume, are the ones that Danielle refers to- the ones that can sneak around without being seen, without leaving a trace of themselves, etc? I really think that they are one group of people, but we haven’t seen the Others actually sneaking.
    Though, who Danielle calls the Hostiles, I think, are the ones that took Alex, who appaer to be the Ben, etc group. So again that makes me think that they’re the same group. Not sure though, and I just thought I’d comment because I thought it was an interesting post 🙂

    [quote]2) Ben tells Sawyer that all they put in him was “a little doubt.” Is this also why he shows Sawyer the other Island – of if not, then why? It seems that Ben has far more to lose by showing Sawyer the other Island than he has to gain?

    3) What possible reason could Ben have for telling Sawyer the approximate size of the Island? Also, the comparison to Alcatraz is not unintentional. Of course it was a prison Island, and so Ben says, “Now let’s take you back to your cage.”[/quote]
    I think that Ben definitely has motives we’re not altogether aware of at this point.

    But also, making Sawyer think that they’re on a small island, he’s got nowhere to run. If he escapes, he’s still stuck on this small piece of land, and the Others could easily send out a search party because they clearly have the manpower to do so. They’d find him and punish him- torture, maybe? I’m not sure. But if he’s got nowhere to hide, its not a good idea for him to escape. I think Ben’s also just instilling some fear and hopelessness into him.

  251. Ann says:

    Maybe “sub” is a nickname for their transportation system inside the tunnels. Their own form of a subway. Although I prefer the submarine in hopes of finding a 6- or 7-headed monster (hydra) in the ocean.

  252. Mabry says:

    I just realized how wrong I was about the Hostiles- I”m sure I’ll get corrected anyway- but Danielle definitely referred to them as the Others.

    So who ARE the Hostiles?

    Too many groups of people on one island for me to keep up 🙂

  253. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”10774″]…Juliette was once a normal fertility doctor in the real world, but is now part of the group of Others…She turned for some reason– Ben et al convinced her to work with them. This is going to be Jack’s fate, too, unless he can fight the mind games that have worked previously.[/quote]

    I totally agree. The Others are playing tricky mind games, and they probably will get trickier. Although the Others may have several goals that we can’t understand right now, it is clear that they want Jack on their side. I think that, yes there is a man that needs spinal surgery to save his life, but also once the Others have used Jack for this surgery they will have other things for him to do.

  254. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10776″]Sorry to follow my own posting with another, but I just looked back at some of the older threads from the end of last season and realized something. In “Every Man for Himself”, after Kate tries to free Sawyer from his cage, she returns to her own cage and says to Sawyer “Live together, die alone”, which was the name of another episode in season 2, I believe. Why did she say it? What is the connection? I might be forgetting something. Why did she crawl back into her cage anyway? Does that indicate that she is afraid to run, even though she usually acts pretty fearless…[/quote]

    She says “Live together, die alone” because that was what Jack said in his speech when everyone was terrified of The Others and some of them didn’t want to stick together. It basically means that the only way for them to survive is if they all work as a team. That is also why Kate doesn’t leave Sawyer.

    She isn’t afraid to run, she just doesn’t want to leave Sawyer and Jack.

  255. patience says:

    [quote comment=”10835″]I just realized how wrong I was about the Hostiles- I”m sure I’ll get corrected anyway- but Danielle definitely referred to them as the Others.

    So who ARE the Hostiles?

    Too many groups of people on one island for me to keep up :)[/quote]

    the others are the hostiles at least thats what des and kelvin call them the term the others is the losties formal name for them

  256. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”10847″]I totally agree. The Others are playing tricky mind games, and they probably will get trickier. Although the Others may have several goals that we can’t understand right now, it is clear that they want Jack on their side. I think that, yes there is a man that needs spinal surgery to save his life, but also once the Others have used Jack for this surgery they will have other things for him to do.[/quote]

    I’ve predicted this since Desmond returned in the season 2 finale. As you might remember, Desmond went to medical school and is a trained doctor. Now the losties have a new doctor in Desmond and Jack will join The Others.

  257. dara says:

    just a thought…maybe it wasnt that desmond saw that lightening was going to hit claire’s tent just that he can somehow manipulate the weather on the island because of the electromagnetics? I just rewached and it was blue skies not a minute before he constructed the lightening rod.

    The other thing that was very intersting was when the 2 young guys were going to inject sawyer the one said to the other “in the sternum like the movie” and then he counts to three just like pulp fiction

  258. KKP says:

    No one has mentioned the “Of Mice and Men” connection…. seemed to be a metaphor for how mice are used in scientific experiments aka “rat labs” so to speak, the old maze tests. Seems it was a tie to the “Losties” being used for a scientific experiment and them being put in a maze.

  259. laine says:

    Maybe the second island has been cloaked the whole time and this is why no one has seen it.

  260. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”10997″]No one has mentioned the “Of Mice and Men” connection…. seemed to be a metaphor for how mice are used in scientific experiments aka “rat labs” so to speak, the old maze tests. Seems it was a tie to the “Losties” being used for a scientific experiment and them being put in a maze.[/quote]
    I think the theme of the book Of Mice and Men: lonliness, was summed up very well when Ben quoted the book. It is obvious that Sawyer and Kate and Jack are alone under imprisionment of the Others.
    Also I like how Sawyer was reading in prision in the flashbacks, because we’ve seen him reading-alot. He was reading in prision and he was reading on the beach with nothing eles to do, and Sawyer does not seem the “bookish type”, but he reads…I have no clue where I am going with this…

  261. jack johnson says:

    I have had this thought in my head for a while and wanted to post it and usually I read through everything first to see what others are thinking before I post, but I must say I’m starting to get as disappointed with this blog as with the show. I feel like there are many many posts on this blog that consistently ask for basic questions or that make suggestions that have no backing and especially posts that repeat the exact same things as previous posts and start with “I was just thinking this and don’t know if anyone else had mentioned this before but…” . While I firmly agree that everyone should have the right to post any theory which they like, I would like to ask all of you to post under the relavant subject and to think twice about your posts before you make them–maybe even do some research on the questions you are asking before you do.

  262. jack johnson says:

    That being said:
    My answer to the reason why no one had seen the second island before is because it’s not actually there. Benry himself said that he is in the business of conning Sawyer and that they were much better at it than him. We also know that Sawyer was injected with something that was NOT a pacemaker and that he was passed out for a long enough time for the Others to do almost anything to him. It is possible that they drugged/conned him into seeing a second land mass that isn’t there in order to take out his will to try and escape.

  263. Bruce says:

    Whether there is another group
    of ‘Others’, the Others we know as Hostiles are the ones that took the children – of which we have had no information yet at all.

  264. Mabry says:

    [quote comment=”11082″]Whether there is another group
    of ‘Others’, the Others we know as Hostiles are the ones that took the children – of which we have had no information yet at all.[/quote]

    Thank you for clearing that up, Bruce 🙂

    And it does bring up an interesting point, in that we don’t really have a clue what happeend to anyone that they took, even Walt and Michael – I know I am not alone in thinking that the M&W kind of left us hanging- I’d really like to know what happens to them. But I feel like we won’t be hearing about them for awhile- maybe they’ll show up in the season finale muttering something about being stuck in a bloody snow globe 🙂

    Seriously, though, there is a scene from last season where Eko and Jin see the feet (and presumably more, though we only see the feet) of the Others walking through the jungle, as well as the feet of children who may or my not be the ones who were captures from the plane. I think we are meant to believe that they are, but we don’t see their faces so we can’t really be sure.

    What is the point of that? If they have their own community, with houses and electricity, what IS the reason that they sneak around in the jungle? That’s kind of a disconnect for me that I hope is answered soon.

  265. Pam says:

    Maybe, even though they have technology, the Others have bad luck with fertility because of the island or experimental reasons. And so the more chidlren they can get from anywhere and anyone the better.

  266. jonathan Carter-Meggs says:

    I think the Others are from the future and they are isolated from the rest of mankind to prevent paradoxes from forming and that is why they have isolated our three heros.

    They mentioned that their comms were down since the sky went blue – perhaps their highway to the future depended on it!

  267. dave says:

    [quote comment=”11191″]I think the Others are from the future and they are isolated from the rest of mankind to prevent paradoxes from forming and that is why they have isolated our three heros.

    They mentioned that their comms were down since the sky went blue – perhaps their highway to the future depended on it![/quote]

    I like this theory. But then would have the Dharma Project and Hanso be involved with these timetravelers? Did they bring them here or did the whole project develop because they arrived?
    Are they (the Others as timetravelers) the NEW version of the Mothmen? (sorry just saw the Mothman Prophecy again this weekend)The Others are here to prepare the earth for an impending cataclysmic event and all the interacting with cataways arriving on the Lost island has been getting in the way of completing experiments necessary for survival.
    Then again I keep thinking about other TV shows past and present where this/was an ongoing theme (time and space travel), so I like the theory but it doesn’t seem likely. Or yes likely..it IS TV.

  268. samsandrasan says:

    Just a note: we keep saying that we think it was a different group (the Hostiles) that took the other children but we KNOW that Ben’s group took Walt. So, whatever distinction we make can’t be made on the basis of taking children. Maybe this is a note to myself but I thought I’d share it. If there are two groups, I don’t see much difference in hostilities.

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