The Cost of Living

When we left our Lost friends last week, Desmond had saved Claire and Charlie from being struck by lightning, Jack had failed to save Colleen’s life and Ben had shown Sawyer a new island.

Tonight’s Lost episode which is the second to last in the 6-episode mini-season is titled “The Cost of Living” and this is the official description of the episode:

Minor spoilers

A delirious Eko wrestles with demons from his past, while Locke and some of the other castaways head back to The Pearl — one of the Dharma Initiative’s island stations — hoping to find a computer that they can use to locate Jack, Kate and Sawyer. Meanwhile, Jack doesn’t know whom to trust when two of “The Others” seem at odds with one another.

If you are into episode previews, take a look at the preview of “The Cost of Living” while you wait for the episode to air, but please keep discussions of the preview in that comment thread.

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132 Responses to The Cost of Living

  1. poopypants says:

    All I know is to expect the unexpected.I hope we see a little more of “Eye Patch Guy” than just the shots of him in the moniter(I think perhaps this will be recorded footage of somekind)If there is a God ,Charlie will die an very painfull death while watching Clair Love another man.What will be the twist with the X-rays?…Has Kate been turned?…Is Hurley gay?…How did Heather Mills MaCartney get on the Island and what does she want with Jack?…all this and more tonight on LOST!!!
    PS. product placement = less commercials

  2. KillerR says:

    It’s about that time. Can’t wait to discuss this one thuroughly tomorrow. So, ill see all you guys and gals on the flip side.

  3. Tony says:

    Could anyone tell what the shape of the black smoke was when Eko was at the steam?

  4. Jeremy says:

    Anyone else notice the striking similarities between Eko and Lock removing the large boulder in front of the “tomb” (plane) only to find the body inside was missing, aka the resurrection of Christ?

  5. David says:

    the black smoke that kills Eko got some kind of machinery sound in the back, but I’m completly off the bat in this one…

  6. Mr. Eko says:

    All I want to know is why?

  7. Mr. Eko says:

    Eko was the only person on the island that you didn’t have to wonder about its either one way or the other if its not like you like it change it that was Eko (well him and our Iraqi friend) I would want Eko at my back when it hits the fan and its about to Thanks lost For Nothing.

  8. azandi says:

    Can someone tell me what was being said on those signs in that video? I had to get up at exactly that moment and didn’t catch it…

    Oh, and which hatch was on the screen in the Pearl?

    Oh, and I’m beyond sad about Eko, my favorite character… 😦

  9. slomski says:

    So lets run this down. I think were al a bit sad about Eko, he was a good man and did what he had too.

    Eko gets called to the plane by having another vision of his brother. As we learn, were TOLD that these abiritions are not who we think they are “you talk to me like im your brother” Its starting to fall into place.

    Dharma evacuated after an expierment they were running got out of control. That expirment may have been the smoke. It a machine designed to use maybe some type of telepathic wavelink to connect to the subject and judge social behavour. Somehow all connected to the properties inherent in the island. It tests you and then if found to be weak disposes of you. Eko lost his strength in battling his demons. IE the cost of living.

    But we learned alot. I think this smoke machine was the incident that forced Dharma to shut down. Its running on auto pilot now.

    The visions everyone has, locke of boone, jack of his dad, etc are part of the social testing the machines performs. It tests your will, determines good and bad.

    Tonight in the pearl we learned that were not alone.. Bens others are not the only others on the island.

    We also are confirming that bens others are not part of dharma or hanso. They too are on their own, lost if you will. Since Ben appears to be high ranking, then why didnt he go get help for his tumor? He cant. Just like he can control the food shipments, the smoke, cant get medical equipment,the other others, nor can they leave at will. Its at least the mid 2000’s. We know that the losties crashed in 2004. Then why are they using VCR tapes? By the year 2000 we all had lap tops, dvd players, flat screens and ipods. Bens others have 20 year old technology left over from dharma.

    Why are ben’s others here on the island? What are they trying to protect or fix or are they just lost?

    Eyepatch man must be the hostiles that kelvin refered too. Could they be infected with the virus? How does the virus link to smoke monster?

    I need to think.

  10. JACK says:

    JUST WHEN YA START TO COME UP WITH A GOOD THEORY…PUFF, THE BLACK SMOKE COMES BACK!!!

  11. david says:

    i think its apparent that the monster can take the form of people from the past. remember in season 1 that jack opened his dad’s coffin and his dad wasn’t in there? same thing this ep, where yemi was gone. it seems like the monster takes dead bodies and can then physically manifest them or something along the lines. anyways, i thought this episode was a step below further instructions, and was the worst ep of the season so far. nikki and paolo are still very annoying, and i felt that eko’s death was anticlimactic… i was disappointed. oh well.

  12. Joe says:

    At least Hurley didn’t die, I mean “dude”. Ecko was a cool dude, I was a little depressed, but at least it wasn’t some one whom was more important.

  13. The Nogfish says:

    I thought this was a great episode but I was at an art class and didn’t get back until 15 minutes into the episode, could someone possibly alert me as to what I may have missed?

    I KNOW Juliette and Jack are about to get it on.

    She definitely has the hots for him and I forsee her helping the LOST-ies escape.

    I also have a gut feeling that the killing of Ben won’t go very smoothly…

    just a guess 🙂

    and what do you guys think of the division of the season like this?

  14. Trina says:

    My biggest question is – why at the end of tonight’s epi- when they were showing scenes for next week, did they use the term “Fall Season Finale”. Is there some long break that Lost is going on for the intro of ABC’s new show “Daybreak”? Man- that pisses me off!!! They know how loyal we are- so they are using that loyalty to get us hooked on another show (although looking at Taye Diggs for an hour won’t be at all hard on the eyes!!)
    Smart, but really lousy on ABC’s part! When will Lost return?

    Trina

  15. LostDamery says:

    Echo!
    Like a poof of Smoke he is gone!
    My wife said that the same thing is probably telling Locke to go Save the buddies.
    Echo told them “your next”
    Uh thats my cue to RUN!
    I am betting that Locke beats the monster with Sayids help.
    Watch out Monster you got the wrong losties

  16. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment=”11986″]and what do you guys think of the division of the season like this?[/quote]
    I personally like the split…remember when we had the repeats…YUCK poo
    I like the 6 in a row and the rest next year.
    Lost RULES!

  17. Tasha says:

    Man. What a bummer. This episode sucked to me….or is it I just don’t get it. Why did they kill Ecko off?? I feel like there was so much more to him. All the biblical stuff that was talked about and his stick. I thought he was going to hold the key to alot. I still don’t understand the black cloud of smoke…Locke saw a beautiful white light?? They are all definately dead and in pregatory. They now have their chance to go to heaven or hell.

    I don’t even understand…if he wasn’t talking to his brother, then who? The devil?

    I really love Lost and I am not usually a bummer up here, but I just don’t even see the point of that episode. Maybe it will fit together later…like 2 seasons from now when they show the black smoke again. If it was going to kill him, why didn’t it just kill him the first time around??

  18. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”11987″]My biggest question is – why at the end of tonight’s epi- when they were showing scenes for next week, did they use the term “Fall Season Finale”. Is there some long break that Lost is going on for the intro of ABC’s new show “Daybreak”? Man- that pisses me off!!! They know how loyal we are- so they are using that loyalty to get us hooked on another show (although looking at Taye Diggs for an hour won’t be at all hard on the eyes!!)
    Smart, but really lousy on ABC’s part! When will Lost return?

    Trina[/quote]

    I don’t know about next week but supposedly it is going off until the spring right??

  19. FMGreenSteve says:

    I still don’t trust Juliet *at all,* but that was very fun to watch, nonetheless.

    I hate to see Eko go, but I highly doubt we’ve seen the last of his character. Why would they introduce the whole storyline of “I’m going to London” in his flashbacks if they didn’t plan on elaborating on that in the future? I think we’ll see more of Eko, just as we’ve continued to see Boone throughout the series.

    More discussion of “freewill.” They are really hammering that thought into our psyche’s this season.

    And, we got yet another use of the phrase: “Don’t confuse conicidence with fate.”

    I too caught the parallel the writers drew with the moving of the stone. That’s one of the most important moments in the entire Bible; it’s possible that it could be just as important to the story of Lost.

    I’m firmly planted among the group of theorists who think that the mystery man with the eye patch, shown to us in the monitor, is Radzinsky, Kelvin’s old “friend.”

    One more episode…then we get to suffer through another 3 months. I wonder if they have another online Alternate Reality Game planned. 6 weeks seems like a very small amount of time to put something together that would be as interesting (yet in the end, still ultimately pretty disappointing) as the Rachel Blake/Alvar Hanso saga from the summer.

  20. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment=”11987″]My biggest question is – why at the end of tonight’s epi- when they were showing scenes for next week, did they use the term “Fall Season Finale”. Is there some long break that Lost is going on for the intro of ABC’s new show “Daybreak”? Man- that pisses me off!!! They know how loyal we are- so they are using that loyalty to get us hooked on another show (although looking at Taye Diggs for an hour won’t be at all hard on the eyes!!)
    Smart, but really lousy on ABC’s part! When will Lost return?

    Trina[/quote]

    Lost is taking a break until late January/early February. As far as I know, the return date hasn’t been announced.

    The reasoning behind this was that the majority of fans (myself included) were continually annoyed and upset last season when they would sit down to watch a new episode of Lost and instead they would get a rerun. This new setup guarantees that when Lost is on, it’s new. 6 new episodes now, and 16/17 more starting in the winter, with no breaks and no weeks off. AKA, when Lost is on, it’s new.

  21. Tasha says:

    Can someone expalin what everyone is talking about in the situation where Locke and Ecko are moving rocks? What is it they did that was from the bible? I was watching it- I must have missed something.

  22. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment=”11997″]Can someone expalin what everyone is talking about in the situation where Locke and Ecko are moving rocks? What is it they did that was from the bible? I was watching it- I must have missed something.[/quote]

    In the Bible, after the crucifixtion of Jesus, his body is placed inside a “cave” or a natural tomb, and an enormous boulder is rolled in front of its opening. Days later when disciples arrive to mourn at the tomb, they find the boulder rolled away and the body of Jesus gone.

    Eko placed the large boulder/rocks in front of the opening of the plane after he burned it last season. When Locke and Eko returned in this episode and moved the boulder away, the body was gone.

  23. Tasha says:

    Ok. I see now. I didn’t even think about that. Ben talked about God tonight too. I guess I need to go sleep on this.

  24. John says:

    Am I the only one who was bugged by the presence of that vapid blonde chick they let come to The Pearl with them?

    One of the greatest things about this show is the character development. I just can’t see how this “perfectly-tweezed n’ busty while on a remote, sweaty island for 60 days” lady is going to provide anything interesting for the show. Unless she happens to be another plant from The Others!

    I just don’t like gratuitous additions of absurdly-hot and pointless women on shows like this. It ruins my suspension of disbelief.

    And what’s the story with her beaux, the guy who used the bathroom in The Pearl?

  25. lillarob says:

    I’m totally bummed that Eko got killed, I really thought he would be more active in this coming season. I know we’ll see him in flashbacks, but it just won’t be the same. Maybe when it returns, this will just all have been a dream…it sure wouldn’t surprise me with the way this storyline is going!!

  26. Vivian says:

    I’ve got a pretty comprehensive recap of all LOST episodes, including Cost of Living, up by midnight eastern time. (Includes little snipets of my personal thoughts at times, can hardly help it!) Check it out:
    http://www.mamaneedjava.com/?cat=13

  27. ethi says:

    Are all the people that survived from the tail section of the plane now dead?

  28. Lesley says:

    Well, that was a bummer. I really liked Eko! Wasn’t the expression about fate and coincidence reversed when John said it in this episode? Didn’t Eko originally say do not confuse fate with coincidence? Did anyone notice that the smoke monster “waited” until noone else was watching to kill Eko? I believe most of what we saw was Eko’s delirium, however, that smoke monster played a part in helping to provide what Eko alone saw. Eko was already in bad shape after the whole bear cave thing and had wrestled with his demons even when he was not close to death. I loved his strong willed nature. He felt he did what he had to do under the circumstances and was not sorry for it even if others were harmed….hmmmmm others, sounds a lot like their philosophy! And on the other side of the island…DON’T TRUST HER JACK! Interesting that Eko came to grips with his angst while dying unlike other Losties who seemed to die after they received closure. And I bet Juliet is not what she seems either. Maybe she needs Ben out of the way so that she can take over and run things her way. And why can’t Ben leave the island to get the surgery? If he is going to take Jack home, why operate there? Is he afraid of losing control of the project? Is he a criminal in the real world? As always many more wonderful new questions!

  29. RickSF says:

    [quote comment=”12011″]Are all the people that survived from the tail section of the plane now dead?[/quote]
    No, Bernard (Rose’s husband) seems to be alive, though we haven’t seen them since last season. I’d also love to see what happened to Michael and Walt, and for Michael to get his for what he did. I have a hunch they will be part of the first episode in February.

  30. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment=”12011″]Are all the people that survived from the tail section of the plane now dead?[/quote]

    Bernard is still alive.

  31. The Nogfish says:

    [quote comment=”12002″]Am I the only one who was bugged by the presence of that vapid blonde chick they let come to The Pearl with them?

    One of the greatest things about this show is the character development. I just can’t see how this “perfectly-tweezed n’ busty while on a remote, sweaty island for 60 days” lady is going to provide anything interesting for the show. Unless she happens to be another plant from The Others!

    I just don’t like gratuitous additions of absurdly-hot and pointless women on shows like this. It ruins my suspension of disbelief.

    And what’s the story with her beaux, the guy who used the bathroom in The Pearl?[/quote]

    Those new people were ‘introduced’ (If you could call it that) a few episodes ago.

    originally Claire was going to catch the two having sex in Jacks tent – or something, like that… but they had to edit it out.

  32. MasterPo says:

    I have to agree the ‘introduction’ of the two new characters was very very poor considering all the character development of everyone else. Almost seems like the producers lost a bet and had to add these two.

    On another note, I did find it very odd that the woman said “Goodbye” like that to Jack at the funeral for the blonde woman. I suppose it could just be polite rather than just walking off. But “Goodbye” has a note of finality. Just seemed like odd dialog.

    The French woman said the thing is the island’s security/defense system. Killing Ecko defended the island how? Against sinners? Heretics? Imposters?

  33. lost-in-lost says:

    I’ve been following this blog for a while but it’s my first time commenting. I thought last night’s episode felt rather disconnected. There were no more Desmond prophecies; the dialogue was well below average of what’s expected of Lost, and Eko’s death was horribly anti-climactic. I was especially turned off by the dialogue that took place in the Pearl. When John and Eko discovered the Pearl station in the “?” episode, I remember John looking around at all the monitors and saying “this must be a monitoring station and these monitors must be for the other hatches,” which made sense at the time because 1. they knew from the orientation film that there were more stations out there; and 2. they could see Jack and other Losties in the first hatch on one of the screens.
    As per Ben’s disease; I was surprised that there were no twists there, but I will completely write Jack off, if he is stupid enough to fall for Juliet’s tricks. Ben pretty much confessed to developing a whole strategy to get Jack to want to operate on him, but Juliet deliberately showed Ben’s x-rays to Jack and ruined the whole plan. Juliet had been trying to gain Jack’s confidence from day 1 and certainly tried to allure him into liking her. If a bunch of them are so desperate to get rid of Ben (like she says in her note cards), then why was she the only one on tape? I am beginning to think that Ben is a good guy… I also was unsatisfied by Juliet’s fake speech to Jack, when she mentioned free will, etc. I really don’t like it when they poke us in the eye with overarching themes. We all know that free will, determinism are constant themes in the show, was it really necessary to insert a speech in there that stripped them off their subtelities?
    I cringe every time I see the newbies. It feels so artificial and ruins the flow of the show for me.
    I am sorry to keep pointing out the negatives. Lost is the only show I watch on TV and it hurts me every time they deliver a mediocre episode. Just to end things on a positive note: the only dialogue I enjoyed watching last night occured when Ben asked Jack whether he believed in god. What better answer to give than that? Right? right.

  34. MasterPo says:

    I don’t think she purposely showed Jack the xrays, but with the Others everything, even Ben’s admission to Jack of their plan to break him, could be a deception.

    They can’t have Desmond issuing prophecies all the time! 😉

  35. Andreas says:

    I enjoyed seeing more from Eko’s past, but it was sad to see him go. Adewale did a great job portraying Mr.Eko. I like that they’re still killing characters though since it makes the show more interesting.

    I’m pretty sure we all can agree that the smoke monster is creating the visions of dead people on the island, the question is why it is doing it? It seems like the smoke monster is either a living creature or a very advanced form of artificial intelligence considering that when it appeared as Yemi, it referred to itself as “me”.

    When Yemi/the monster said “You speak to me as if I were your brother” his tone was very condescending. The first thing I thought of was that Eko was speaking to the devil or god.

    Regarding Nikki and Paulo is still strongly dislike them. Hopefully they are there for a reason, otherwise I wouldn’t mind if the writers removed them as swiftly as they where introduced.

    I still really like scenes with The Others so my favorite part of this episode was when Juliet secretly asked Jack to kill Ben. I really want to believe that Juliet is a good person, but since I believed Henry/Ben for a while in season 2, I bet both Juliet and Henry are highly manipulative. The question here is if Juliet is trying to manipulate Jack out of her own interests or if this too is a plan constructed to make Jack do what Ben wants. Remember that Ben told Sawyer that he was a good con man but that they were a whole lot better.

  36. Joyce says:

    I liked the ep last night, even tho it did have a few weak moments (like the blonde pointing out that the monitors would allow viewing of the other stations–well, duh!). Here’s what I think:

    –Don’t trust Juliette as far as I can spit. She seems to have her own agenda and plans to use Jack to off Ben.

    –To me, the black smoke can take many shapes and sizes. It could have been Kate’s black horse, Hugo’s friend Dave, Sawyer’s boar that kept ransackin his tent, etc. I think it can read your mind and know what you’re afraid of, or need/want to believe, etc. (If it was Kate’s black horse, which Sawyer also saw, then it gave Kate a sense of closure in that ep.) It took the form of Yemmi, Echo’s brother. The black smoke has seen Echo several times and each time it backed off. It didn’t mess with Echo until he said he wasn’t sorry for having lived his life the way he had–he wasn’t given a choice; he did what he did to survive. Did the black smoke see that as a sign that it would never be able to control Echo, so therefore it killed him in anger?

    –I love Locke. That grin he had on his face after they saw “Patch” on the screen! He just loves having another mystery to solve. And now he’s got the “we’re next” whisper from Echo.

    –I don’t think Ben can leave the island to get surgery. They can get stuff (news, DVDs, food, etc.) to the island, but nobody can leave (any sane person would not want to have spinal surgery in a place that isn’t too clean and where they don’t even have working equipment or a crash cart!

    –I don’t think there are two different groups “the hostiles” and “the others.” I think it is just the Others, and they’ve got the kids from the Tail part of the plane. We’ve never seen Ms. Claus (Bea) again; she was the one who was in charge of Walt (asking Michael questions, etc.)

    Can’t wait for next week’s show. Afterwards, I’ll be replaying those six eps, over and over again on my VCR. It will be one very long winter! Ooop, Aaack!

  37. MasterPo says:

    It’s important to remember that in season 1 shortly after crashing on the island Jack saw his father several times. And his father’s body wasn’t in the casket. If the smoke thing is taking on the appearence of dead people from their past, why Jack’s father?

    ps- Was it the smoke thing that somehow made his father’s voice come over the intercom in the cell where Jack is being held??

  38. MasterPo says:

    ps- I’m not 100% convinced “we’re next” is what Ecko said. Locke has been know to lie and deceive before.

  39. Hmm says:

    Ms. Claus, hahaha!

  40. Andreas says:

    I think I might have predicted Eko’s death! Does this make me a precog like Desmond?

    To be serious I really don’t think Eko was killed because of his traffic case. However it is interesting that all tailies but Bernard are dead. Does this mean that new characters who are introduced to the group of losties are bound to die and in the end only the original cast (except Boone and Shannon) will remain?

  41. MasterPo says:

    Correct me if my memory fails on this:

    Seems to me the only time we have seen the smoke thing is when Ecko has seen it. First he saw it with Jack and company as they were going with the French woman to the Black Rock. Now we saw it as it kills Ecko. Otherwise it’s just be a brief shadow or fast passing blurr. Meanwhile, Locke said he saw “it” as a bright light.

    Could it be something that reflects the background of people? Locke seems to be a good guy, pure, not a killer, and definately a man of faith. While Ecko was a killer (even if that was the only way to survive).

    If this is so that seems to imply a religious overtone to the island and events.

  42. Hammer says:

    Okay, we’ve been thrust back into theories of faith. The smoke is back, but it hasn’t given us more of a clue as to what it is. We can assume (if we are so inclined) that it is “death” because it has claimed the life of an unrepetent(sp?) man. Was this the thing that killed the pilot? Now we know how large it can be because it slammed Eko into a very high tree and pounded him much like the pilot.

    We have the Jesus analogy and Ben saying a spinal surgeon fell from the sky two days after learning he had a tumor and he thinks God sent Jack.

  43. donyab says:

    Juliet said Ben lies. The French woman, when Ben was caught in the net, said he lies. Juliet may have ambitions of taking over and wants Ben out of the way, or they’re conspiring together and playing out the better con.

    I think Locke said he saw a bright light because he wanted to see if Eko saw the same thing as he did. Locke doesn’t always tell the truth either, so I’m doubtful that Eko told Locke “you’re next” before he died.

    I think the black smoke, whether it’s an experiment gone bad or an island phenomena, manifests itself into whatever is on the mind of it’s victim and uses it to protect the island from what it perceives as dangerous or invasive.

    I loved the church reference recall last night, tho. When Yemmi said “you owe me a church” and in a prior episode you saw Eko’s obsession with building a church, but at the time had no clue why. That’s the stuff that makes Lost GREAT!

  44. TG says:

    I, too, am heartbroken to lose Mr. Eko, but I found it comforting to hear that the actor wanted to leave the show. That means the writers HAD to write him off, and it wasn’t just a crazy plot twist for the sake of a crazy plot twist.

    I love–LOVE!–the exchanges among Ben, Jack, and Juliet. I really don’t know who to trust. I do think there are some similarities here to “The Long Con.” Both Ben and Juliet are sort of confessing their previous deceptions, trying to convince Jack that NOW they are being honest. To what end? Does Juliet really want to get rid of Ben? Does Ben even really HAVE a tumor? Are they doing all of this just to test Jack’s morality as a doctor and as a person?

    The smoke monster remains the ONE mystery on Lost that truly confounds me. Everything else seems to classify as science or faith, but I can’t get my mind around this one.

    I agree that the new characters S-U-C-K. Maybe Nikki the bimbo will be the smoke monster’s next victim, and that will give Paulo a chance to be grief-stricken or angry or vengeful or ANYTHING AT ALL INTERESTING.

  45. LMK says:

    I agree the smoke monster is a bit much. And the new characters are pretty boring. Maybe we haven’t given them a chance yet. I also think Juliet is telling the truth. I don’t know why I like her, maybe sinece she’s been so mice to Jack. I’m also mad that next week will bring a “season ender”, that’s a load of crap. There better be more answer “next season”!

  46. dave says:

    [quote comment=”12089″]I liked the ep last night, even tho it did have a few weak moments (like the blonde pointing out that the monitors would allow viewing of the other stations–well, duh!). Here’s what I think:

    –Don’t trust Juliette as far as I can spit. She seems to have her own agenda and plans to use Jack to off Ben.

    –To me, the black smoke can take many shapes and sizes. It could have been Kate’s black horse, Hugo’s friend Dave, Sawyer’s boar that kept ransackin his tent, etc. I think it can read your mind and know what you’re afraid of, or need/want to believe, etc. (If it was Kate’s black horse, which Sawyer also saw, then it gave Kate a sense of closure in that ep.) It took the form of Yemmi, Echo’s brother. The black smoke has seen Echo several times and each time it backed off. It didn’t mess with Echo until he said he wasn’t sorry for having lived his life the way he had–he wasn’t given a choice; he did what he did to survive. Did the black smoke see that as a sign that it would never be able to control Echo, so therefore it killed him in anger?

    –I love Locke. That grin he had on his face after they saw “Patch” on the screen! He just loves having another mystery to solve. And now he’s got the “we’re next” whisper from Echo.

    –I don’t think Ben can leave the island to get surgery. They can get stuff (news, DVDs, food, etc.) to the island, but nobody can leave (any sane person would not want to have spinal surgery in a place that isn’t too clean and where they don’t even have working equipment or a crash cart!

    –I don’t think there are two different groups “the hostiles” and “the others.” I think it is just the Others, and they’ve got the kids from the Tail part of the plane. We’ve never seen Ms. Claus (Bea) again; she was the one who was in charge of Walt (asking Michael questions, etc.)

    Can’t wait for next week’s show. Afterwards, I’ll be replaying those six eps, over and over again on my VCR. It will be one very long winter! Ooop, Aaack![/quote]

    Yes I have to agree with several, I do not like how the new characters have been introduced. AND the scence in the hatch was really ackward. Why did we have to hear someone repeat the function of the observation hatch? !
    I never saw it coming that Ekko was to be killed. I really wanted him to survive the black smoke. Mr. Ekko is a great character (unlike Charlie).
    Speaking of the black smoke. It occured to me that MAYBE the smoke is being controlled from one of the other Hatches (via eyepatch guy).But I can’t imagine how. I like the idea that maybe the smoke manifests itself into different hallucinations but I still would like to know what it really is. One more thing, Ben says to Jack that Juliette looks like Jacks wife Sarah on purpose (that purpose being to get Jack to fall for Juliette). I don’t think she does except for the blonde hair, but that could just be me.

  47. Jay says:

    I have followed the blog for some time without commenting. So here are a few comments:
    1. I think that last night’s episode was the best of the season (to-date). Having said that, the producers should be aware that they must soon start revealing significant truths or they will lose viewers (my family is incredibly annoyed about the seemingly random new plot twists without closure of any of the open plot lines).
    2. I also agree with the posts about the two newcomers – whom we are supposed to agree have been there all along: talk about suspending disbelief!
    3. Last night, my epiphany was that they beat us over the head with “free will” more than ever before and that the “island” via the smoke monster is part of a judgement process between good and evil. On this island everyone is defined and their future determined by the choices they make. Consider:
    4. Echo is asked to confess (repent?) but he refuses to do so and is immediately killed. Who did he confess to? The smoke monster? God, the devil, some surrogate in between? In any event he refuses to apologize for his life, found wanting and dispatched. Are all the losties being individually judged on their actions on the island?
    5. Also, no one has commented on possibly the most interesting aspect of last night’s episode: Ben wanted to “convert” Jack to do the surgery because he “wanted to do the surgery.” Why? Free will again. They could force Jack to do the surgery but it was important that Jack want t odo the surgery. Ben’s spinal tumor must be taken out by Jack because he wants Ben to live. If you think along these lines then Julliettes video tape is just a ruse. Consider, Ben needs surgery but it is only useful if Jack wants (chooses) to do the surgery correctly to make Ben live: Ben admits his scheme failed – although he doesn’t explain why Jack has to choose to do so. SO instead they quickly cobble together plan B where Julietter makes it appear as if there is a mutiny against Ben. There isn’t but she needs to give Jack options so he can-again-make the conscious choice to save Ben of his own free will: Now it is up to Jack to decide what he wants to do which is where they were going in the first place.
    6. Finally, anybody else think the funeral costumes were bizarre? Either leftover hippies or something more?

  48. SpinPapi says:

    [quote comment=”12096″]To be serious I really don’t think Eko was killed because of his traffic case. However it is interesting that all tailies but Bernard are dead. Does this mean that new characters who are introduced to the group of losties are bound to die and in the end only the original cast (except Boone and Shannon) will remain?[/quote]

    Please let’s hope it’s true for the newbie couple. Could they be any more annoying? I actually can’t see how such annoying and disruptive (we all seem to hate them) new characters could be introduced w/o a plan to kill them off. Hopefully they are just cannon fodder for next week’s episode. Then by the spring season, we will have forgotten all about them. Or smile fondly as we recall their deaths. How annoying!!!

  49. Andreas says:

    A bit of trivia for you – A man in Eko’s flashback was called “Emeka”. Mr.Eko was originally supposed to be named Emeka.

    Jay I agree with your thoughts on Jack and free will. Juliet probably asks Jack to kill Ben to manipulate him into believing it is his own decision to save Ben’s life.

  50. What was the significance of the song played over the speaker during the funeral? Why did ben direct jacks attention to juliets similarity to his exwife. Is he implying that the others could somehow plan or manipulate her appearance to suit their needs? Why not try all the tv leads instead of stopping after the one eyed man? How could he tell that they had connected their tv set to his camera? Unless he was watching them on his set and realized that they were about to turn the tables on him. Why are they not exploring the hatches and island more? They have weapons……maybe there is resort on the other side of the island??? Who knows. Why aren’t they militarizing to fight the others who have already proven themselves hostile by taking the kids and killing losties??? They can be setting traps, making boobytraps and making hand weapons. spears, clubs blow guns….whatever. Looking for cameras and power lines on the island could lead them to all sorts of stuff.

  51. MK says:

    Remember in the original Star Trek with Captain Kirk where they would always beam down to an alien planet with all the regular cast and ONE cadet who was always destined to die? Everyone had their blue uniforms on except the one cadet in red who always gets eaten by some blob. Maybe this is the destiny of the two new characters. Introduced in a rush to fulfill the need of a tragic event down the road.
    Though they annoy me (personality-wise), I firmly believe their sudden appearance is mandatory. We all know the survivors of the crash were many yet the show continues to focus on a dozen people. It started to look a bit fake. We never even see a group of social outcasts in the background ever, just the main characters. It’s time they emphasized the fact that there are *many* survivors, not just our heroes.

    Eko’s death does not surprise me. He was in such bad shape in the last couple of episodes, I psyched myself into accept the fact that he might die.

    Food for thought: Noone interviewed Sayid about what happened or where the boat is. We did not see Jin and Sun. We have to assume their long journey from the rear of the island was safe since he seemed okay.

    Some observations about the Smoke Monster:
    – It sounds mechanical when “flying”
    – It growls when confronting
    – It is not smoke (gaseous) since it can grab people

    Other “monster” observations:
    – In the first season, it killed the pilot? (cockpit was too high in the air to be eaten by a bear)
    – There was some eerie shreeking sounds in the jungle in season 1 and sounds resembling giant footsteps. Not seen in a while?

    When Locke came face-to-face with the Smoke monster in Season 2, he thought it was beautiful and that he looked into the eye of the island. His life was spared. Last night, he referred to that incident as “bright light”. Yet, we only know of the smoke monster as being evil. Why is Locke getting the special treatment and why didn’t Eko question Locke about this bright light?

    I have to keep writing these lists of observations so that I don’t forget about unsolved mysteries from the past, because, just like everyone else, I want answers!

  52. MK says:

    [quote comment=”12147″]Juliet probably asks Jack to kill Ben to manipulate him into believing it is his own decision to save Ben’s life.[/quote]

    But he hates Ben. This is his opportunity to:

    – kill the ring leader he hates
    – possibly score (we all have needs about 70+ days)
    – be seen as a hero among those who wanted change
    – possibly rescue his friends

    I don’t see why he would be presented with the opportuntiy to gracefully kill Ben and get away with it and actually save the guy’s life. While doing this, he would be damaging his friendship with Juliette after that delicious burger she made.

  53. Umbrella al says:

    [quote comment=”11987″]My biggest question is – why at the end of tonight’s epi- when they were showing scenes for next week, did they use the term “Fall Season Finale”. Is there some long break that Lost is going on for the intro of ABC’s new show “Daybreak”? Man- that pisses me off!!! They know how loyal we are- so they are using that loyalty to get us hooked on another show (although looking at Taye Diggs for an hour won’t be at all hard on the eyes!!)
    Smart, but really lousy on ABC’s part! When will Lost return?

    Trina[/quote]

    The split the season in to 2 mini seasons in order to not continually interrupt the show like they did last season with the three week spots of reruns. Daybreak is just a new show they are rolling out and it makes sense to air that while lost is on hiatus.

  54. Bruce says:

    Whether Juliette is lying or Ben is, they’re both giving half-truths, like the statement by Ben: “we’re not killers”. Yet last week’s ep he told his compadre at the monitors, Collette’s husband could kill Sawyer later.

    Also, could the two ‘new’ characters be Others? blended in gradually so no one over the 65 days really can’t say they’re not from the crash?

    And lastly for now, why the hell doesn’t the black smoke kick Ben’s ass?

  55. MK says:

    [quote comment=”12075″]I did find it very odd that the woman said “Goodbye” like that to Jack at the funeral for the blonde woman. I suppose it could just be polite rather than just walking off. But “Goodbye” has a note of finality. Just seemed like odd dialog.
    [/quote]

    I noted this exact same point last night. I expected some sort of closure. Apparently it was just a “goodbye Jack, I’ll see you in a couple of hours”

  56. MK says:

    [quote comment=”12148″] Why not try all the tv leads instead of stopping after the one eyed man? How could he tell that they had connected their tv set to his camera? Unless he was watching them on his set and realized that they were about to turn the tables on him. Why are they not exploring the hatches and island more? They have weapons……maybe there is resort on the other side of the island??? Who knows. Why aren’t they militarizing to fight the others who have already proven themselves hostile by taking the kids and killing losties??? They can be setting traps, making boobytraps and making hand weapons. spears, clubs blow guns….whatever. Looking for cameras and power lines on the island could lead them to all sorts of stuff.[/quote]

    Excellent points.

  57. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”12157″][quote comment=”12148″] Why not try all the tv leads instead of stopping after the one eyed man? How could he tell that they had connected their tv set to his camera? Unless he was watching them on his set and realized that they were about to turn the tables on him. Why are they not exploring the hatches and island more? They have weapons……maybe there is resort on the other side of the island??? Who knows. Why aren’t they militarizing to fight the others who have already proven themselves hostile by taking the kids and killing losties??? They can be setting traps, making boobytraps and making hand weapons. spears, clubs blow guns….whatever. Looking for cameras and power lines on the island could lead them to all sorts of stuff.[/quote]

    Because after they saw ole one eye….. the smoke monster started beating the crap out of Eko. They ran out of the hatch to check on him.
    Also, as for the new losties… I dont care for Nikki but you can’t say that you didnt laugh or atleast chuckle when Paulo came out of the bathroom like it was no big deal and when looked at oddly by the other losties says ‘toilet works’. That was classic.

  58. MK says:

    [quote comment=”12160″]I dont care for Nikki but you can’t say that you didnt laugh or atleast chuckle when Paulo came out of the bathroom like it was no big deal and when looked at oddly by the other losties says ‘toilet works’. That was classic.[/quote]

    She’s got a nice rack and if he continues to be a comedian, I will tolerate him.

  59. Bruce says:

    I’m still suspicious of these newcomers and the toilet scene adds to it. He said, ” the toilet still works (like he’d been there before.

  60. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”12154″]Whether Juliette is lying or Ben is, they’re both giving half-truths, like the statement by Ben: “we’re not killers”. Yet last week’s ep he told his compadre at the monitors, Collette’s husband could kill Sawyer later.

    Also, could the two ‘new’ characters be Others? blended in gradually so no one over the 65 days really can’t say they’re not from the crash?

    And lastly for now, why the hell doesn’t the black smoke kick Ben’s ass?[/quote]

    I don’t think they are others because when Hurley did the check list in season one, he accounted for everyone but the spy. They would have noticed new others.

  61. MK says:

    Why can’t everyone just accept them as being losties. Why would the Others invest two of their people to spy on the Losties anyway, they already gathered the intelligence they needed.

    And the toilet comment was refering to the toilet still working despite the station being uninhabited or abandonned for so long.

  62. SOOO not working right now (damn you, LOST!) says:

    I think one of the most important revelations from the last few episodes is that the others aren’t connected to the outside world as much as they claim to be, and that there is a whole lot more weirdness/cultishness there than we have seen yet. If they were connected to the outside, and not just somehow poaching info from somewhere (maybe they have a download-only system with their fabulous high-tech computers that are the size of a volvo and still use magnetic take), they would have a crash cart that worked and the ability to call for a medevac for someone with a fatal spinal tumor.

    and that funeral and all the oldies music playing all the time — what’s with the white pajamas, the viking-style funeral, the ceremony?

  63. StillLost says:

    My theory, and this ties in with what many people here have already posted, is as follows:

    The plane crashed and everyone died. They are LOST between heaven and hell and the island is a test for each to determine his/her own fates through their “free will”. the “others”, “dharma”, the “smoke” all exist to test diffenent characters.

    The smoke was for eko who was a “bad man” in life but was given a chance to redeem himself when he spoke to God (as his brother) but chose not to and was taken from the island by the dark smoke. This is also why locke saw a bright light and not darkness–becuase he has been a helper and enabler for others, as evidenced by both him picking up the hitchiker in his flashback, and by his rescuing eko from the bear.

    The fact the Losties are already dead explains why locke and desmond and eko did not die when the hatch exploded.

    The flashback sequences also fit into this theory in that they explain the history of these characters for us to better understand what descisions they will make and weather they will go to heaven or hell.

    Also, fitting into this theory is the idea that Sawyer and Kate are locked in those cages because they were criminals in life, yet will still have a chance to redeem themselves and go to heaven.

    Also, potentially, is the fact that the “others” want the kids because kids are not yet capable of making the decisions neccessary for determining thier fate and the “others” will help them along to heaven.

    I am still struggling with the last scene from season 2 and the eloctromagnetic signal and how that fits in with desmond and his girl. But becuase desmond was not on the plane, he too may be part of the general test that the island presents for the Losties.

  64. MK says:

    Reminds me of a cheesy “horror” movie called “Dead End” that is very similar to what you’re describing.

  65. Lesley says:

    I still find it odd that smokey backed off when other people were around. When Eko was killed no one saw it happen. That means it is possible that what we saw was Eko’s perception of how he was killed. When the pilot was killed no one saw it happen. It does not seem to want to kill in front of others. When there is more than one person around it appears to be more cautious….I love a good mystery!

  66. Margot says:

    MasterPo wrote:

    “Seems to me the only time we have seen the smoke thing is when Ecko has seen it. First he saw it with Jack and company as they were going with the French woman to the Black Rock. Now we saw it as it kills Ecko. Otherwise it’s just be a brief shadow or fast passing blurr. Meanwhile, Locke said he saw “it” as a bright light.”

    I think the bright light Locke was referring to was the light that lit up the hatch when he was looking down it.

    And now my thoughts on last night’s episode:

    I thought it stunk. I just watched it again online and it still stinks. It started when Juliette said to Jack at the funeral: ‘He let you out?’ No, Einstein, I’m a figment of your imagination. Talk about a dumb question! Then Locke’s inviting anyone and everyone to come to the Pearl? Has he not been the one keeping secrets all along? I guess he had to invite everyone though so that Nikki and Paulo had some airtime. I really do not like them. I agree that they seem real out of place in the storyline. I want them to leave! And speaking of Nikki: she suddenly figures out that the tape mentions ‘projectS’ and hey, let’s turn on the other monitors! DUH! As if Locke and/or Sayid couldn’t have thought of that one. Terrible scene. I don’t believe Juliette for a minute. I think this is Plan B to ‘invest’ Jack. I’m not even convinced Ben has a tumor. Really. If the only goal was to have Jack operate on him, I kind of think that they could have just walked up to him on the island and asked. I bet he would have said yes. They’ve just done too much bad for that to be all there is to it. I don’t believe any of it. I am also sad that Eko is gone, but if this is about heaven and hell, I’d say he went to heaven. Reunited with his brother as they were as happy children…yep, that’s gotta be heaven.

    I know it’s a negative post. Sorry. I just feel so let down this season. But of course I’ll keep watching because I’m so hooked!! My favorite scenes last night were Ben asking Jack about God; Juliette’s simultaneous speech and video; and Eko’s ‘un’confession to Yemi/Smoke Monster.

  67. MK says:

    Can anyone think of an instance where Smokey killed a person in front of another? That’s a good observation

  68. Margot says:

    StillLost:

    That has been my theory as well, and I think it makes perfect sense (I like how you put it, especially about the children) but didn’t the writers and/or creators say a long time ago that wasn’t it?

    ?????so confused?????

  69. Brian says:

    I do not trust Juliette or Ben. Ben knows that Jack is a smart guy, and they wouldn’t have been able to break him. He “came clean” about trying to break him bc he wanted too. He never planned to break him, just make him think he wanted to. In the same regard Ben can’t let Jack operate unless he knows Jack won’t screw up. Regardless of Juliette’s comments, Jack would still be in a position to kill Ben on the operating table.
    I do not think they are in purgatory, just bc that has been thrown out there since day one, itd be too easy. At the same time, they need to revisit Walts “powers” and they never judged Michael for his actions. He did what he had to do just like Eko, granted he said he was sorry, but regardless he never apologized to the black smoke.
    Alot is happening and they need to give us some concrete answers. We already knew about other hatches, so the blonde added nothing with her comments.

  70. Jen says:

    Maybe Ben can’t leave the island to go get his surgery because of the fact that he is infected with the virus. And those that drop the food will not allow them off the island or have direct contact with them for that fact although they will still provide food/etc for them since they feel some sense of responsibility toward them after the virus “expiriment” was abandoned.

    I think Jack will do the surgery on Ben because it is in his nature, he saves people. He may seriously toy with the idea of killing Ben, but I think last minute he won’t be able to do so.

  71. Hammer says:

    “did what I had to do” seems like another recurring line. Michael said it in so many words, Eko, I predict Kate will too. Seems that the “killer” Losties killed out of necessity rather than criminal (not sure about Sawyer yet).

  72. Andreas says:

    I’m getting a feeling that Nikki and Paulo were added to bring new viewers up to speed with the show. Paulo asked why Eko was interested in the plane and Nikki answered “His dead brother is inside”, and then in the Pearl Nikki started explaining how the monitors work. This is all information regular viewers know about but it would be unknown to new viewers.

    [quote comment=”12152″]
    But he hates Ben. This is his opportunity to:

    – kill the ring leader he hates
    – possibly score (we all have needs about 70+ days)
    – be seen as a hero among those who wanted change
    – possibly rescue his friends

    I don’t see why he would be presented with the opportuntiy to gracefully kill Ben and get away with it and actually save the guy’s life. While doing this, he would be damaging his friendship with Juliette after that delicious burger she made.[/quote]

    You’re forgetting that Jack as a person has to fix things. It’s against his nature to not fix something he is able to fix and not saving Ben’s life would go against Jack’s Doctor’s Oath.

    I think Jack will almost kill Ben, but in the last minute decide that he isn’t capable to kill a person no matter what.

  73. Margot says:

    Andreas wrote:
    “I’m getting a feeling that Nikki and Paulo were added to bring new viewers up to speed with the show. Paulo asked why Eko was interested in the plane and Nikki answered “His dead brother is inside”, and then in the Pearl Nikki started explaining how the monitors work. This is all information regular viewers know about but it would be unknown to new viewers.”

    You’re probably dead on with that, but here’s a better idea: I didn’t watch a single episode in regular S1. Got interested watching reruns and when S2 started I was so confused by episode 3 that I finally rented S1 to catch up. So glad I did! Now, all the new viewers go to the video store and let the new ‘losties’ go!!! :p

  74. Lisa says:

    Did anyone find it odd that Jack did not question Juliet about Sawyer and Kate when she said “I am sorry about what happened to you and your friends”?

    I am sorry Eko died. The man definitely had character. Can’t say the same for the two newbies!!

  75. RickSF says:

    I agree, the inner-doctor in Jack won’t allow him to kill Ben during an operation. Remember Jack’s the one who always needs to save someone; even Sarah, his ex, threw that at him when she announced she was leaving.

    A thought on the theory of they died in the crash and this is some pre-heaven, pre-purgatory limbo: one of the seismic-like blowups from the island was picked up by the team Desmond’s girlfriend, Penny, apparently hired to look for something (i.e. Desmond’s whereabouts, maybe?). So that blip did register in the “outside” world, which would make one conclude that they are alive somewhere on this big planet of ours. But who knows, it is Lost, anything is possible…

  76. MK says:

    [quote comment=”12152″]
    You’re forgetting that Jack as a person has to fix things. It’s against his nature to not fix something he is able to fix and not saving Ben’s life would go against Jack’s Doctor’s Oath.

    I think Jack will almost kill Ben, but in the last minute decide that he isn’t capable to kill a person no matter what.[/quote]

    I must disagree. The man is in a state of being held against his will. He hash shown much hostility since his capture towards the Others. Sure he was against “Henry’s” death when he was a prisonner but now that the tables have turned, I doubt he will object to murdering him.
    He has shown much skepticism in just about everything Ben or Juliette have told him. However, did you see his face when juliette was rolling those signs on TV? She asked him to “request to turn off the TV”, he had no problem playing along.
    If Jack is presented with the opportunity to take Ben’s life, he will IMO.

    What will become of Eko’s whack stick? Will he get a funeral?

  77. Tom says:

    Eko was one of the strongest characters of this show. Just think of how dedicated to honouring the memory of his brother he really was. He turned away from a life of brutal crime in order to pursue redemption; the straight and narrow path.

    I wonder if the creators of lost will show just how demoralizing the loss of such a strong character can be to the castaways who survive him. I mean, I would be feeling pretty vulnerable if someone as strong as Eko just expired.

  78. MK says:

    [quote comment=”12206″]Just think of how dedicated to honouring the memory of his brother he really was. He turned away from a life of brutal crime in order to pursue redemption; the straight and narrow path.
    [/quote]

    Doubt that. He was a cold blooded killer from the time he was a kid. Sure you could argue he did it for his brother, but murder?

    He became a fake priest out of opportunity, it wasn’t his choice. When his brother got shot and the militia kicked him to the ground, the Nigerian army called him “father.” It stuck with him.
    Heck, he had no problem murdering those crooks in the church after the leader begged for his life “you do not know who I am.”
    He only discovered the right path out of remorse and pitty for his dead brother.

    A riteous man would repent his sins to the Smoke monster in his brother’s silhouette. He had the chance to ask forgiveness from his brother yet he chose to stand by his decisions claiming he did nothing wrong.

    Eko was a holy man by opportunity not by choice.

  79. laura says:

    I understand they came out with actions figures for Jack, Kate, Lock and Hurley – any ideas why only the 4?

  80. Hugo Reyes says:

    Ben you sly sly dog…..
    Ben’s plan isnt ruined at all. He knew Juliet would show Jack the X-rays. He knew Juliet would ask Jack to kill him. Like he said before
    ” I wanted it to look like you CHOSE to do what we wanted you to do”

  81. KillerR says:

    There are action figures for sawyer and charlie too.

  82. Andreas says:

    I think the only reason behind certain characters getting action figures is that those characters are popular. The action figures are meant to make money and popular characters sell well.

  83. Cerberus says:

    I have to say I loved the episode! truly excellent. Ofcourse I am sad Eko died but he was a very cool character with a good backstory!

    Just a thought I had whilst skimming the MANY posts so forgive me if it’s been said but:

    Could the ‘Other’s’ have kidnapped all the ‘good’ people and children in the pilot have been to protect them from the Smoke Monster (cerberus)? It seems to have a thing for figuring out good and bad people, and in it’s mind Eko was good untill tonight when he revealed (in a way) that he is bad… so it killed him (and did so in such a way like it was almost angry).

    Just a thought.

  84. poopypants says:

    Can someone please get Charlie a really big dose of herion and mainline him through the big toe.Nikki?,who couldnt like Nikki,smart,beautiful,face,body,hair…she will be Kates replacement when she gets knocked off.Isint her boyfriend the guy who playes Johnny Deeps partner/cellmate from Blow?,sounds and looks like em,thoughts?ps. I like the return of the 70’s music during the funeral,theres some pretty choice cuts from that decade that i dont mind being introduced to, “Make your own kind of Music”… not a half bad song,Im old enough to remember when you had to have talent to be famous.

  85. Andreas says:

    poopypants, according to his IMDB page Rodrigo wasn’t in Blow.

    I would appreciate if you could stop complaining about Charlie and Kate in every second comment you make. You don’t like them, we get it, but how relevant is it to the discussion of this episode?

  86. The Kitty says:

    okay… this would be my first comment ever on this site. so here goes…

    the Black smoke could be a cloud of nano robots that gained self-awareness, and we only really saw it after the Swan had the whole incident that made the plane crash, also, the dharma symbol is on the Plane itself… meaning that it was PLANNED that it would crash… let me get back to the black smoke… nano bots … whatever it is. i think that the reason that Jacks father was gone was because it took his body from the casket in some way, Ekos brother, and boone, from his grave… i do not see the resemblance to the bible, they removed the boulder. also,the whole hatch system on the island could have been to keep the black smoke in check… i dont necessarily believe this next theory but i think that the islands healing propertys could come from the radiation leak or whatever it was, and apparently when the plane crashed a precog prophesized the end of the world in 108 days… im so sorry for this being more of a rant or rambling on about random things, however, this is something you might want to chew on for a while ^^

  87. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”12212″]He (Eko) was a cold blooded killer from the time he was a kid[/quote]
    I disagree, when Eko killed that person as a kid he did it so the real bad guys wouldn’t kill him or his brother. I believe that Eko did those bad things out of necessity, and it’s not his fault that he himself became a not-so-nice drug-smuggling guy, it’s because his childhood was messed up.
    Did Ben promise Jack a way home-home or a way losties-home?
    John said that Eko said that they were next, but I don’t think every single person is going to die. I don’t know, but I have a feeling that the island is a part of the real world, and there is a way home. I think the idea of purgatory is kind of lame, and just an easy way out of the mysteries and twists the writers got themselves into.
    I think the funeral (white uniforms, and viking-stlye send off) proves that the others are not normal people trying to live life on an island, but creeping cult people isolating themselves from the real world.

  88. Macy says:

    I’d like to hear some more discussion on why Julliet told Jack “Goodbye” at the funeral scene. Did it seem odd to anyone else that she would say it so profoundly? The next time we saw her she had turned into this scheming rebel among the “others” wanting Jack to kill Ben. I wonder if that was some sort of signal to us that the old Julliet is now gone – and now we see the “real” Julliet – or maybe the new one is the real one? Thoughts?

    First time posting – you all have some very interesting theories – I feel a little out of my league here.

  89. hapagirl2 says:

    The Kitty worte:

    i think that the reason that Jacks father was gone was because it took his body from the casket in some way, Ekos brother, and boone, from his grave…

    Maybe that’s why Ben’s group burned the body and sent it out to sea….hmmmmm

  90. Lesley says:

    Maybe smokey somehow replicates DNA from the dead bodies. Didn’t Locke and Eko burn the plane? I think that Locke mentioned that last night and I remember being a little confused when they first found the Pearl hatch and the plane was not real charred. Perhaps eye-patch man put out the fire, removed the bodies and somehow controls smokey.

  91. Floorcookie says:

    [quote comment=”12255″]okay… this would be my first comment ever on this site. so here goes…

    the Black smoke could be a cloud of nano robots that gained self-awareness, and we only really saw it after the Swan had the

    whole incident that made the plane crash ^^[/quote]

    I’m with you on this one. It reminded me alot of the Crichton book, “Prey”.

    Maybe they as a swarm are slightly intelligent or at least able to make basic decisions about who to kill, who not to kill. If so, the swarm could be using the dead bodies in some way. Maybe they detect injury or sickness. Eko was pretty beat up all ready and maybe the swarm is on island “clean-up” duty. Plays the vulture role, culling the sick and weak from the herd… That could explain why Eko was not killed on his earlier encounter with Smokey but was killed this time.

    And the mechanical sound reminds me of a more metallic version of the clacking wings of small insects.

  92. Andreas says:

    I really like the nanobot theory, but I think the Lost writers have denied that nanobots figure into Lost’s story. I don’t know if that excludes electrically charged particles too but then again it seems like Smokey has a sense of self awareness and identity and it takes more than a bunch of electrically charged particles for that.

  93. jack johnson says:

    A slightly far-fetched idea behind the possiblity of Juliete’s plan:

    We know that the Others are highly manipulative and that everything that we see in LOST is nothing as it truly is. So I think that it is possible that Juliete is still acting under Ben’s rules and that they are still testing him. The x-rays are fake and were planted, Ben told Jack “the truth” to make him believe he won and then told Juliete to give him a choice. The others will see first whether or not he agrees to the surgery and then whether he follows Juliete’s “plan” to kill Ben. For an even wilder twist…the black smoke takes the form of Ben (like it did for Yemmi) for the surgery, so that if Jack actually tries to kill Ben he won’t be at risk.

    Speaking of which, what do you guys think that Jack will decide to do?

  94. mikey says:

    remember in the pearl video “after your term has been completed, you will be taken by boat to the barracks” explaining the extra island

  95. drsashamd says:

    [quote comment=”12273″]A slightly far-fetched idea behind the possiblity of Juliete’s plan:

    We know that the Others are highly manipulative and that everything that we see in LOST is nothing as it truly is. So I think that it is possible that Juliete is still acting under Ben’s rules and that they are still testing him. The x-rays are fake and were planted, Ben told Jack “the truth” to make him believe he won and then told Juliete to give him a choice. The others will see first whether or not he agrees to the surgery and then whether he follows Juliete’s “plan” to kill Ben. For an even wilder twist…the black smoke takes the form of Ben (like it did for Yemmi) for the surgery, so that if Jack actually tries to kill Ben he won’t be at risk.

    Speaking of which, what do you guys think that Jack will decide to do?[/quote]

    For some reason I don’t think that those X-Rays were planted specifically for Jack to see. It seemed like Ben was truly surprised when Jack questioned him about it. Furthermore, why else would he question juliet at the furneral on whether she told Jack that those X-Rays were his? I guess maybe one can say that another person was going to pretend those X-Rays were theirs and have Jack do a fake surgery on them, but what would be the point in that?

  96. Donna says:

    I may be wrong here, because I don’t own the past season DVDs, but didn’t John Locke’s mother appear on the island? And Hurley’s (imaginary?) friend, Dave? And the horse that Kate saw? Were all of those “visions” just hallucinations?

    Can the black smoke conjure something up that has had no prior existance on the island? Or does it need DNA? Like for Yemmi or Jack’s dad.

    Shannon and Sayid also saw Walt drenched in water. And, at one point, didn’t Boone see Shannon all cut and dead prior to her actual death?

    I’m just trying to see if any of the “appearances” on the island tie together? The only ones that were seen by two people were: The horse by Sawyer and Kate and Walt by Sayid and Shannon.

  97. Bruce says:

    They can’t kill off Charlie because in real life he and “Kate” are going to be married and live together anyway if they aren’t already.
    What a strange couple.

    [quote comment=”12253″]Can someone please get Charlie a really big dose of herion and mainline him through the big toe.Nikki?,…[/quote]

  98. Bruce says:

    Interesting that the island the Others are on – which Sawyer was able to see the lostie’s island – isn’t visible the other way around. As if the ‘force field’ works only one way.

    [quote comment=”12275″]remember in the pearl video “after your term has been completed, you will be taken by boat to the barracks” explaining the extra island[/quote]

  99. bass108 says:

    i think the more interesting part of the episode that the writers wanna focus us on (or maybe don’t want us to see obviously) is when locke and eko talked about the monster, and locke said he saw light in the monster when eko saw dark. Still not sure who is a darker character with locke’s recent marijuana flashback and…it seems like he didn’t kill that kid, but maybe locke had been going about atoning for his sins, while eko told the smoke monster outright that he felt he had done nothing wrong. And what happened then? Now if there is some crazy man with an eyepatch or anyone else, it seems that the smoke montser is claimed to be a machine of some sorts that someone is controlling, so obviously all our losties are being conditioned here for some kinda reason right?

    So I guess jack did save lockes life when it grabbed him. And it chooses to show light or dark. It’s just interesting the forces behind the scenes that are choosing the fates of our losties.

    and i am the only that thinks that the whole thing with jack is just a game. Like Juliet is in on it, and they are further just trying to ‘break’ jack. Henry gale probably doesn’t even have a tumor. He has shown no kinda of signs of any illness. especially if he needs it so bad. and what happened to the island healing people? he said he’s never leaving the island, so going back to the real world doesn’t seem plausible.

  100. Zeb says:

    Crazy idea: Could Eyepatch be the guy pulling the strings of the smoke monster? He notices people in the Pearl station watching him, so he somehow sends out Smokey to kill them. The first person Smokey finds is Eko, so Eko gets smashed.

    An alternative theory that I posted on another thread: There seem to be two smoke monsters, a big one and a little one. Granted, we’ve never seen them both on-screen at the same time, but Big Smokey is so much bigger than Little Smokey that I doubt they’re the same creature. Mama and baby, perhaps? Which could explain why Mama Smokey killed Eko – it mistakenly thought that Eko was a threat to its young.

    Or, to combine both theories, Eyepatch controls both of them. Little Smokey is a scout – possibly one of many – sent to locate the people in the Pearl, and Big Smokey is the muscle sent to kill them. Big Smokey didn’t finish the job, but hey, how smart can a blob of smoke be?

    Just to play with this some more: What if the purpose of the magnetic field in the Swan station was to be a cage for a Really, Really Big-Ass Smokey? After all, how could a creature seemingly made of amorphous smoke hold itself together except magnetically? Which would make magnetism the only way to keep it confined. So there might be a King Kong Smokey loose now. It’s currently off wreaking havoc on the Other Others, or maybe it’s in a love-nest with Rousseau, but when it’s done with whatever it’s currently doing, it may be back…

  101. Donna says:

    About Smokey:
    When Eko is first confronted with Smokey and Smokey smokes around Eko’s face, then backs off — look closely at Smokey. Swirling around inside Smokey are images from Eko’s past — perhaps all images of what he was supposed to confess and repent of.

    How could the eye-patch guy put those intimate images of Eko’s past inside of Smokey? Also, the three bloody men that were “haunting” Eko near the end — no one saw specifically how Eko killed them except himself and God (or perhaps the devil). It seems like Smokey and the apparations it produces must be spiritual, not scientific (unless it can somehow tap into Eko’s subconscious or brain to access memories, etc).

  102. Donna says:

    [quote comment=”12328″]I may be wrong here, because I don’t own the past season DVDs, but didn’t John Locke’s mother appear on the island? And Hurley’s (imaginary?) friend, Dave? And the horse that Kate saw? Were all of those “visions” just hallucinations?

    Can the black smoke conjure something up that has had no prior existance on the island? Or does it need DNA? Like for Yemmi or Jack’s dad.

    Shannon and Sayid also saw Walt drenched in water. And, at one point, didn’t Boone see Shannon all cut and dead prior to her actual death?

    I’m just trying to see if any of the “appearances” on the island tie together? The only ones that were seen by two people were: The horse by Sawyer and Kate and Walt by Sayid and Shannon.[/quote]

    It just occurred to me that the men that Eko killed also appeared (in the last episode) . . . they obviously have no DNA on the island. Perhaps there is no neat way to tie all the appearances/hallucinations/whatever all together.

  103. Zeb says:

    [quote comment=”12481″]About Smokey:
    When Eko is first confronted with Smokey and Smokey smokes around Eko’s face, then backs off — look closely at Smokey. Swirling around inside Smokey are images from Eko’s past — perhaps all images of what he was supposed to confess and repent of.

    How could the eye-patch guy put those intimate images of Eko’s past inside of Smokey? Also, the three bloody men that were “haunting” Eko near the end — no one saw specifically how Eko killed them except himself and God (or perhaps the devil). It seems like Smokey and the apparations it produces must be spiritual, not scientific (unless it can somehow tap into Eko’s subconscious or brain to access memories, etc).[/quote]

    Eyepatch wouldn’t necessarily need to have had access to real images of Eko’s past in order for Eko to have seen them. The reason is the same as why Eko and Locke saw different things in the smoke monster – under certain conditions, the human brain sees what it is predisposed to see.

    There have been studies done of religious mystics in both the Eastern and Western traditions that show that the mystical experiences they sometimes have while meditating are very similar in terms of mental state, but nonetheless Eastern and Western mystics report seeing different things, and put different, culturally determined interpetations on their experiences. A Christian mystic may report seeing God, or Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, or Mary, or a saint – something out of the Christian tradition. A Hindu mystic experiencing the same kind of meditative mystical state may report seeing a six-armed angel instead. The two mystics are experiencing exactly the same thing, but how they interpret it is determined by how their culture and their training has predisposed them to interpret it.

    So, Locke, wanting to believe he is a good man doing the island’s will and actively seeking a mystical enlightenment, sees a white light and interprets it as a vision granted by the island. Eko, with a lot on his conscience, sees a vision of his brother, whose memory is associated with the men that Eko killed, so he sees them too. And given his Catholic background and violent history, he interprets it as a call to repent.

    The question then becomes, how does the smoke monster cause Eko and Locke to see what they see? Does it somehow affect their brains in such a way as to trigger these visions? But regardless of how the visions are induced, the fact remains that the content of the visions would be determined by the viewer and not the smoke monster (or whoever or whatever is controlling it.)

  104. KillerR says:

    I’m with you Zeb. Someone or something has very powerful telepathic powers and is using them against our losties. Either that or there could be two black clouds and like Locke said about backgammon: “one is light and other dark”. Maybe each faction of “others” are in control of one and one group IS good and the other group IS bad.
    I do think that this season will slay the previous two. Season three will be the best yet. You know the producers are going to bring it come february.

  105. dave says:

    [quote comment=”12313″][quote comment=”12273″]A slightly far-fetched idea behind the possiblity of Juliete’s plan:

    We know that the Others are highly manipulative and that everything that we see in LOST is nothing as it truly is. So I think that it is possible that Juliete is still acting under Ben’s rules and that they are still testing him. The x-rays are fake and were planted, Ben told Jack “the truth” to make him believe he won and then told Juliete to give him a choice. The others will see first whether or not he agrees to the surgery and then whether he follows Juliete’s “plan” to kill Ben. For an even wilder twist…the black smoke takes the form of Ben (like it did for Yemmi) for the surgery, so that if Jack actually tries to kill Ben he won’t be at risk.

    Speaking of which, what do you guys think that Jack will decide to do?[/quote]

    For some reason I don’t think that those X-Rays were planted specifically for Jack to see. It seemed like Ben was truly surprised when Jack questioned him about it. Furthermore, why else would he question juliet at the furneral on whether she told Jack that those X-Rays were his? I guess maybe one can say that another person was going to pretend those X-Rays were theirs and have Jack do a fake surgery on them, but what would be the point in that?[/quote]

    Sometimes when I watch the ‘Others’ talking amongest themselves I get the feeling, after knowing how manipulative they really are, that all their words may be an act (remember the straw huts, beard and costumes) and especially when they talk in front of Jack, Kate or Sawyer.

    I like Jack Johnson’s take on the Others’ intentions (highly convoluted manipulations), but I think Jack WILL do the surgery, but NOT kill Ben.

    Nanobots sound like a great theory. But wouldn’t they still required some kind of guidance system (remote controlled) from possibly one of the other Hatches (where the other Others are – eyepatch guy, etc.)?
    Could the smoke manifest into visual beings or does it only set off hallucinations? I reeeeally want to know more about the Smoke. We need to see flashbacks/backstories from “Smokies” point of view-sorry couldn’t resist- I tried it was futile.

  106. leah says:

    Maybe Eko was killed because he was not strong enough (as he was in other areas) to resist the appearance of his “brother”. Since he accepted the vision as being really his brother, he failed the test of maintaining cognitive balance/intelligence in the face of severe emotional strain. Everything is a test; nothing is left to chance in this series.

    Henry’s wife is making a play for Jack, but did you see how she failed to react to the extreme cruel treatment of Sawyer and Freckles when they were breaking the rocks? Jack should not trust her; these people don’t have any sense of humanity in them at all. That is the purpose of the island – to “test” until all humanity (caring, empathy, love) is gone.

  107. Joel says:

    I think that Locke misunderstood Eko’s last words. The character Eko didn’t want to die, even if the real actor asked to be killed off; no, he died because he refused to repent or confess to a sin. I think his last words to Locke were “confess”, but Locke thought he said “you’re next.” It was a death whisper, easy to misunderstand for its lack of enunciation, and just what Locke would have been worried about. “Confess” wouldn’t have made sense to Locke since he believes he already is on the path to repentance.

  108. lexilicious says:

    Yes, Bernard is still alive, but he wasn’t originally a tailie, he was just there to use the bathroom.

    [quote comment=”12034″][quote comment=”12011″]Are all the people that survived from the tail section of the plane now dead?[/quote]

    Bernard is still alive.[/quote]

  109. Donna says:

    Quoted from above:
    Henry’s wife is making a play for Jack, but did you see how she failed to react to the extreme cruel treatment of Sawyer and Freckles when they were breaking the rocks?

    My comment:
    Interesting that you say that Juliet is Ben’s wife — is this accurate? Do we know the true status of Ben & Juliet’s relationship?

  110. Andreas L says:

    [quote comment=”12532″]I think that Locke misunderstood Eko’s last words. The character Eko didn’t want to die, even if the real actor asked to be killed off; no, he died because he refused to repent or confess to a sin. I think his last words to Locke were “confess”, but Locke thought he said “you’re next.” It was a death whisper, easy to misunderstand for its lack of enunciation, and just what Locke would have been worried about. “Confess” wouldn’t have made sense to Locke since he believes he already is on the path to repentance.[/quote]

    I believe exactly the same as you do. Confess must be what he actually said. “you’re next” is not really a hint or clue to what Locke would do if he would face “smokey”.

    Perhaps everyone has to confess.

  111. Lostboy says:

    I am fine to see Mr. Eko go. It wasn’t as big of a deal like Ana Lucia and Libby were. Those were the two big shockers. I think it is time to have Locke and the other survivors to find Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. I still remember Jack asking Ana Lucia how long it would take to build an Army. I think that is exactly what they should do with the others.

  112. mrs Echo says:

    Things I learned at summer camp on the Island:

    – smoke mosnters do exists; don’t mess with them

    – don’t go anywhere alone

    – someone is always watching

    – when faced with shooting someone, do it

    – don’t trust anyone

    – what you think you see is not what you actually see

    – always do the opposite of what you say you will

  113. KillerR says:

    I think it really stinks we have to wait 12 weeks,again, right when the season is starting to build some momentum. ABC really needs to evaluate these scheduling decisions and listen to us. After all, don’t WE pay the bills around here?

    But, back to the show. I really feel there is more than one security system. Just look at the patterns of behavior. One was, as Locke discribed it, “beautiful”, showed him “a white light”, and peered into Eko’s soul to reviel a variety of things from his past(albeit things he regreted in one way or another). Then there is one that decimated the pilot and threw our beloved priest 30 feet up in the air and up against a few trees to ultimatly kill him.

    This pattern of behavior clearly points to a second gunman on the grassy knoll. Unless we are dealing with a security system that has ran out of his antidepressants and tranquillizers due to the losties plundering the supply drop and now he is starting to snap.

  114. Pastor2churches says:

    “…clearly points to a second gunman on the grassy knoll”

    You crack me up! Excellent…

    It seems indisputable that the quiet comment from Ben to Juliet during the funeral about the x-ray is meant to tell us that it was Ben’s and that Jack saw them was unplanned – at lease by Ben.

  115. soularheart says:

    Hey guys,

    I read something about the Island Sawyer is on not being visible to the losties, if one watches that scene again there is a fine line in the water which divides it into dark and light blue! Can there be some kind of a visual barrier?

    Eko, what can I say! Disappointed to see such a strong character go! I had hoped he would be the one to reveal the truth about the smokey since he wasn’t afraid of it! And the wrap up wasn’t as smoothly as you had hoped, they portrayed him as a changed man who had become an actual priest in remorse of his brother’s death while in the last flash back he didn’t really show any remorse nor interest to learn about his brother’s duties or to practice anything close to what a priest does! Yet he shortly after travels to London and becomes a full-fledged priest and even on the island he assumed the role of a real priest who moralised and was to baptise the child in a church!

    I believe that the smoke didn’t kill Eko in the first two encounters because it sensed being watched! First by Charlie (on top of the tree) and by Locke and company by the river! And about the mechanical/alarming sound it was short but nonetheless present when Eko got killed too! I think the somkey chooses what shape and character to assume and its not in the eyes of the beholder alone, otherwise there was no way for Sawyer to see a horse that only Kate had seen! They both saw the same thing simultaneously and it was smokey’s decision! While no one else saw Hurley’s imaginary friend running around in pyjamas! And if it found Locke a ”good guy” then why was it dragging it down in a hole as a black smoke?!

    The others show a strong sectarian tendency with their funeral costumes and semi-militia hierarchy! Can they be a group that was somehow effected by the paranormal/spiritual nature of the island and then opposed the initial scientific Dharma project? I still don’t understand how the hatch was blown away in its entirety and filled up with dirt while Desmond, Locke and Eko magically survived the explosion with only minor injuries and stripped off their clothes (in Desmond’s case)!

    Although I love the excellent puzzle-solving the show provides I sometimes fear that the writers, in their ambition for even more elaborate mysteries, entangle themselves in a web of mess they cant break free from without leaving some loose ends!

  116. Wondering says:

    Here’s something no one else has mentioned yet: Ben tells Sawyer they are on a different island from the Losties, and “shows” it to him. Ben also dispatched a group to capture the sailboat. The sailboat had been sailed up the coast of the Losties’ island by Sayid, Sun, and Jin. We were given no reason to believe that these three realized they had traveled to another island. So the sailboat must still have been on the Losties’ island. So how did Ben’s gang get from their island to the Losties’ island? (They clearly left Ben from near where Sawyer and Kate were caged.) We didn’t see any boat, either arriving or departing. And why was Ben so hot to get the sailboat if he already had a boat of his own? Clearly the goal was to capture the sailboat, not to kill Sayid, Jin, and Sun, because they could have done so easily. And if he wanted a “better” boat, it still would have been foolish to abandon the first boat the gang used to get to the sailboat. All this is really not explainable. No one has mentioned this in any previous posting; have you thought of this at all?

    Also, we saw Ben as the TSA man scanning Jack at the airport. But we also saw Ben on the island watching the plane crash. This doesn’t tie at all, unless there are two (or more) Bens.

    Comments?

  117. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”13252″]

    Also, we saw Ben as the TSA man scanning Jack at the airport. But we also saw Ben on the island watching the plane crash. This doesn’t tie at all, unless there are two (or more) Bens.

    Comments?[/quote]

    The airport scene was not reality, it was a hallucination of Locke’s after he took some drugs. Notice that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are altogether in the line checking their bags. I forget if Ben is checking their bags or what, I thought that he was in a pilot’s uniform (or maybe I think it would be more appropriate if he was a pilot). But whatever he was doing this is more symbolic than anything: Jack, Kate, and Sawyer were all altogether under the influence of Ben.

  118. Wondering says:

    Good point. But what about the two islands and the boat(s)?

  119. Pam says:

    There are a million possible reasons for the “two” islands, and I really don’t have an original idea. I think Locke hallucination is not linked directly to the existence of another island, yet.

  120. soularheart says:

    Don’t you think that by ”I want that boat” he meant that he didn’t want the losties to have a boat which would allow them to explore further away from their location and perhaps reveal the others? Because the others have had fishing-boats and perhaps even more sophisticated ones since the fishing-boat was supposedly to match their disguises! And Ben wouldn’t let Michael to leave with their only boat, if now the fishing-boat was their only boat!

  121. Donna says:

    [quote comment=”13263″]Good point. But what about the two islands and the boat(s)?[/quote]

    I read somewhere . . . perhaps on another blog . . . that there was a comment made by Colleen about a “sub” as in a submarine as they were leaving to take the sailboat?? I am repeating what I read elsewhere, so it may not be accurate. However, a submarine could indicate why the Others were able to sneak onto the sailboat without being detected by Jin or Sayid.

    I’m baffled by the two islands thing and don’t really believe it (even though seeing is believing . . ?) It seems like the Others could conjure up anything . . . maybe it is a green screen. Okay, I’m getting silly.

    In terms of needing the sailboat, it does seem like Ben would want it to reduce the chances of the Losties finding the Others.

  122. soularheart says:

    Interesting submarine theory! Suddenly it crossed my mind that maybe there are underwater passages island-to-island! Or even stations like the hatches! Since we know that the others already have facilities under water, where they keep Jack!

  123. Lotus says:

    All this speculation is fun, but the joke is on us…they are making it up as they go along. Once you realize it the spell is broken. Lost has lost the plot.

  124. theOtherdave(aka dave) says:

    [quote comment=”13368″]All this speculation is fun, but the joke is on us…they are making it up as they go along. Once you realize it the spell is broken. Lost has lost the plot.[/quote]

    I have to agree. I think the joke is on us. I think that there are WAY too many unsolved mysteries that should IMHO be wrapped up soon. I also fear that Lost is treading deep water by introducing MORE mysteries. My spell has been broken but the funny part is I will watch ANYWAY, cuz I could be wrong.

  125. Doug says:

    I think the island is purgatory.

    All of the characters on the island were morally “lost” before the crash in one way or another. The island provides a place where everyone’s character is tested and you are either redeemed or not based on how you react to the circumstances on the island. All of the Dharma stuff and electromagnetic business and polar bears and others are just noise. Yes, experiments were run on the island and there are secondary mysteries to solve, but this is all noise and distractions. In the end, Jack will be tested. Will he take Ben’s life? Mr. ecko was tested and in the end he did not regret his sins. Tho it seems like he died for them. By they way, does the smoke monster remind anyone of the devil as represented in the movie GHOST swallowing up peoples souls? Cheesy comparison, i know, but let’s face it, the smoke monster is kinda silly looking. I hate to think of ecko as having gone to hell, but perhaps he did.

    I am not so obsessed with the show that I can explain all of the incredibly complex details, but it seems to me this is the bigger picture.

    SO in sum, the entire cast is dead and the island is a testing ground aka purgatory for each morally questionable character to prove themselves one way or another. How they react will determine who they really are–a good soul or a bad soul.

    In the end, it has to be something this simple. God help us if it is as silly as the Rimbaldi device from Alias! Still smarting over the last few seasons of that insanity.

    -doug

  126. Jeanne says:

    Hi I am enjoying your blogs on lost very much. I love the show. but I have a question to ask hoping that anyone out there might be able to help me. In the first episode of season 3. Coleen put on a song the words we somthing like “its time we all got together.” does anyone know what the name of the song is or the artist. I would greatly appreciate any help its stuck in my head. thanks in advance for any info. Jeanne

  127. MSJ says:

    I too, believe that the island is a testing ground between heaven and hell…or just into another demention, it is a “sorting” of good and evil. I don’t think that Ben has a tumor, I think that is a test. That is why he initilly he told Jack he had to “choose” to do it. Then they sent in Juliet with the tape so that he would be further tested…he has to choose to be a good guy or bad guy. Ben told him if he does it he will send him “home” and asked if he believed in God. He is being tested and if he makes the right decesion he will be sent home.(to God, heaven or wherever good people go) Micheal was also given a choice and would also be sent “home”.
    Home may be your final destination after you are allowed to choose between right and wrong.
    In Eko’s case he had already been given the choice before he got to the island, now he was given a chance to repent. He didn’t and was taken by the black smoke…for him, the dark side won.

  128. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”13470″]Hi I am enjoying your blogs on lost very much. I love the show. but I have a question to ask hoping that anyone out there might be able to help me. In the first episode of season 3. Coleen put on a song the words we somthing like “its time we all got together.” does anyone know what the name of the song is or the artist. I would greatly appreciate any help its stuck in my head. thanks in advance for any info. Jeanne[/quote]

    The song Juliet played at the beginning of A Tale of Two Cities was “Petula Clark – Downtown”. I think that’s the song you’re thinking about.

  129. Julie says:

    Didnt the writers say that the island is NOT purgetory?

  130. shawdawg says:

    [quote comment=”11970″]Could anyone tell what the shape of the black smoke was when Eko was at the steam?[/quote]
    it was triangle. lol

  131. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”13695″]Didnt the writers say that the island is NOT purgetory?[/quote]

    They did. The island is not purgatory, period.

    The smoke monster could still be some form of judge though.

  132. MSJ says:

    They said is was not purgetory, but they didn’t say it wasn’t limbo.

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