What would you do if you were Jack?

I’m curious about what our readers would do if they were in that same situation as Jack. Would you:

1) Do the surgery and try your best to save Ben (hoping for a reward?)
2) Do the surgery as Juliet requests and kill Ben intentionally
3) Refuse to do the surgery
4) Other (I couldn’t think of other options, so please explain what if you choose this)

And I’ll just leave off with a final thought…

In medical ethics, there are a few basic principles. One is beneficence (doing something that helps a patient) and another is non-malfeasance (not doing something that will harm a patient).

Is it worse to make an error where you fail to do the right thing, or agree to do the wrong thing? (Medical law would say the latter… let’s hope Ben doesn’t have lawyers on that island 😉 )

– Cecilia

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50 Responses to What would you do if you were Jack?

  1. drsashamd says:

    The doctor in me says to do the surgery and try my best to save Ben. I would probably try to bargain with them to release me, kate, and sawyer as well (or maybe try to get a way to get off the island for good?) in exchange for the surgery.
    I don’t know if you can truly trust Juliet and in what she is saying in regards to sabotage. You can never really tell what their true intentions may be, and I suspect that she is hiding something.

    In regards to the ethical question, I think that it is worse to purposely try to do harm to another than to just refuse to help someone that can be saved. Even though the outcomes may be the same, the path taken is different, and arguably, the intent is different as well. By purposely doing harm to the other, your intent is to hurt the other and to deny them of any hope of survival. By not acting, there is some part of you that does not want to hurt that person (otherwise you would have tried to hurt them in the surgery), and I think that is what separates the two decisions.

    I guess I’m kind of rambling here and I’ll stop while I can.

  2. Anon says:

    THEORY #1
    Ben cannot leave the island. He claims to have access to the outside world, but I don’t think he’s actually ever been there. If he *could* leave, then the logical choice would have been to see a doctor in the outside world. Instead, he kidnaps Jack and tries to “break” him; therefore, the logical choice must not be an option. He cannot leave.

    Why not just *ask* Jack to do the surgery, rather than kidnap/brainwash, etc.? “Hey, we’re both stuck here on this island – would you mind taking out this tumor? I’ll pay 20 coconuts and 15 mangoes.” Ben would never have it that way. If Jack does the surgery, he will gain inside knowledge of the Others and their projects. He will discover that they have a way to get off the island (even though Ben himself can’t leave). He will ask for the Others’ help in getting off the island. The Others can’t let him leave with the knowledge he would gain (he might blab when he gets home; he might tell the world where the island is, which would blow the Others’ plans.) Thus, Ben hatches a plan to “break” Jack, perhaps eventually inducting him into their cult.

    That plan, however, has been scrapped. Ben just wants the operation now, whether Jack joins them or not. When the operation is done, the Others will have no more use for Jack; and yet, they are not “killers”. They can’t return him to the Losties’ camp either — he would tell his friends what he knows. It is in the Others’ best interests to get Jack off the island immediately after the surgery; but, how do they do it and still keep him silent? The same way they did with Michael. Put a murder rap on him, and he’ll take the secrets to the grave.

    Ben’s got only survival on his mind; what to do with Jack is a mere afterthought at this point. Juliet, however, sees a way to kill two birds with one stone. Put the murder rap on Jack to keep him silent, AND get Ben out of the way so she can take control.

    THEORY #2
    There’s always a bigger fish. Take your cues from Star Wars, episodes IV and V. In episode IV (1977), we find out that Darth Vader is the most powerful force in the universe. In episode V, we find out that even Lord Vader reports to someone higher up.

    Perhaps that bigger fish is Mr. Paik, maybe it’s Mr. Widmore. Maybe it’s Christian Shephard. In any event, Ben’s boss is not a forgiving person. Although he is not physically on the island, he watches the day-to-day drama (dharma?) via closed-circuit television.

    Juliet says it must look like an accident. Why? As you recall, in the Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy melted the witch, the guards cheered her and said, “Hail to Dorothy, the Wicked Witch is dead.” Why wouldn’t all of the Others hail Jack? It is because Ben’s boss is not a forgiving man. And he will be watching the surgery. You saw the camera in the operating room.

  3. VidGamer123 says:

    What I would do if I were Jack:

    1. Demand release of Kate and Sawyer in exchange for surgery.

    2. Perform surgery.

    3. Leave a small bit of tumor behind, just benign enough to pass X-rays, but enough for Ben to become dependent on Jack.

    4. ??????

    5. Profit!

  4. Maurice Tift says:

    I would bargain with the others.

    (1) No more hanging the hobbit or trying to kill anyone for that matter.

    (2) Wild Boar sandwiches for everyone (sliced thin, barbequed to perfection, mayonaise, mustard, relish)

    (3) Access to the submarine.

    (4) Desmond gets his boat back

  5. poopypants says:

    If I were Jack I would,before surgery,tell Ben about juliets little plan.If this was a test of Jacks trust or loyalty by Ben and Juliet, Jack would pass right then and there and it would end right there.If it was not a test and Juliet was exposed as a traitor then Jack could argue for one or both of Sawyers or Kates release pre surgery,for preventing a mutiny,and his own(Jacks)release post surgery,for saving his Bens life/ability to walk.I think Jacks position to negotiate would be best if he betrayed Juliets trust,thoughts?

  6. Andreas says:

    I would save Ben’s life because deep down I have a feeling that he isn’t as bad as he seems to be. On the other hand Juliet is really cute, so the inner Jack in me would have a hard time not trying to conspire against Ben with her.

    As I wrote in another thread, the surgery is bound to be a very dramatic moment and Jack will probably seriously consider following Juliet’s plan, but I don’t think the savior inside him will be able to kill Ben when he has the ability to save him. Besides, Ben is way to cool to get killed of from the show!

  7. Naomi says:

    If I was Jack I would not try to trust anyone. I wouldn’t know that the liar is Juliet or Ben, or they planned it together. However I think there is a confrontation between Juliet and Ben. In the 1st episode Ben said resentfully that “I guess I’m out of the book club then”. So I guess Juliet no longer ‘likes’ Ben. Juliet has her own secret too, what we will only find out later after Jack made his hard decision. Juliet tries to manipulate Jack for sure, but we don’t know that she’s doing it for her own benefit, or for Ben’s. I think writers try to make the audience believe that Juliet is a nice person, trying to help Jack, but even though she is displaying her kindness she has something to hide. Even she wants to get Ben killed, or made this test for Ben she’s got a back-door intent. She is led by Ben and getting sick and tired of it. I think we will find it out in the next episode that will begin with the continuation of that scene…Juliet walks out of the room with the video casette and Ben will suspect something and want to watch the video or will ask Juliet what she thinks, did their plan A work? Did he fell for it?
    Or it’s just a simple test and it’s not Ben who has tumor. And they just want to know how Jack would help. Maybe it was somebody else’s X-ray. First I thought it was Sawyer’s, what they did last time when they took him and put into that table.

    To answer the questions:

    1, Since Jack has a professional calling he will decide to do the surgery and will do his best, though he will bargain for his friends first: Kate and Sawyer.

    2, Jack has always been a good man, he is not a killer so I doubt he would try to harm Ben.

    3, First he may try to refuse the surgery since it’s a hard decision for him to make but he is a surgeon, he is the man for the job he’s got to do it!

    I cannot wait to watch the next episode! I hope it’ll be a Ben or Juliet flashback episode finally so we can find out more!

  8. MasterPo says:

    I don’t think Juliet is a liar. But I do think her ideas of “change” will turn out to be not so beneficial for the Losties.

    IOW, in the case the enemy of my enemy isn’t my friend.

  9. betrayal of juliet is jacks best option. She hasn’t made any promises to Jack towards his benefit. Why would he conspire with her? Ben has already talked to him about potential benefits. Ben might feel obliged to jack and thus jack might be able to secure kate and sawyers release. And if it is a test of good vs. evil jack will come out on the good side after the succesful surgery.

  10. KillerR says:

    It’s all a set up. Just like Ben told Sawyer in “Every man for himself”: “You’re good Sawyer. We’re better.” Ben is seeing what kind of conviction Jack has. It’s just like the con Sawyer pulled on Cassidy in season 2 and that other chick in season 1. When Ben said all that stuff to Jack about breaking him was just like Sawyer pulling the briefcase from the closet and all the money falling out. Ben and Juliet are playing Jack hard right now.

  11. bass108 says:

    and i am the only that thinks that the whole thing with jack is just a game. Like Juliet is in on it, and they are further just trying to ‘break’ jack. Henry gale probably doesn’t even have a tumor. He has shown no kinda of signs of any illness. especially if he needs it so bad. and what happened to the island healing people? he said he’s never leaving the island, so going back to the real world doesn’t seem plausible.

  12. Zeb says:

    I’m going to re-post something I posted on another thread here. I’m wondering: Is Juliet’s video a set-up? Could Ben have set this whole thing up as part of a last-ditch improvisation to save his plan to “break” Jack? Is Ben crazy enough to go under the knife of a surgeon who’s been asked to kill him, hoping that Jack (being Jack, and stubborn, and contrary, besides being a dedicated surgeon) will refuse to create an “accident” during surgery, and so do his best to make sure Ben survives? After all, Ben was crazy enough to let Rousseau shoot him in the shoulder with an arrow…

    Of course, it would have been much simpler if Ben had simply been straight and honest with the castaways to begin with. Rescue them on day 1 (or at least as soon as they figured out that Jack was a spinal surgeon), bring them in to Otherland, give them shelter, and then Jack would have operated on Ben out of gratitude. But that’s not how Ben’s mind works, apparantly; he’s such a paranoid control freak that being honest probably never occurs to him. And if he truly has spent his entire life on the island, that would explain why he’s such a poor judge of character; he’s been raised in an environment where paranoia and manipulation are the norm, and doesn’t understand that it doesn’t have to be that way.

  13. Hugo Reyes says:

    If I were JAck, I’d do the surgery, slice the slightest bit of his spine, an make him dead from the neck down. Juliet (in my opnininon) Would help me, even if she only planned to trick me later on. People need to be alive to be manipulated.

  14. samsandrasan says:

    Wow, we really watch too much television. Call me a Pollyanna but, there are no gray areas here for me.

    LIFE is a test. Jack should help Ben if he really needs the surgery regardless what he may or may not get out of it. Jack is a surgeon; someone needs his help; he should help them. The Others’ Karma is on them.

  15. MasterPo says:

    A good con-artist is also a good opportunist. It’s possible when Sun shot the girl they (Ben and Juliet) knew she couldn’t be saved and immediately used her impending death as part of the plan to break and manipulate Jack.

  16. Andreas L says:

    I have a feeling that this is a part of their testing on jack. Jack was meant to figure out that the x-rays where ben’s. Ben is aware that Juliet is telling Jack to do kill Ben during the surgery.

    They know what they are doing. They have plans. The others want to manipulate and test him to the very limits. We however, are not meant to believe this, we are supposed to believe that Juliet is doing this on her own, wanting to kill ben.

    Thats my theory.

    And to the topic. I would do my best to save Ben. Jack is not a killer, hes a surgent and his purpose in life is to save people.

  17. MasterPo says:

    Also, always remember that in Jack’s mind Ben is a killer! Jack *thinks* it was Ben who shot and killed Anna Lucia and that other women, and wounded Michael. Jack may allow himself a moment of retribution for their deaths. Espcially since Jack is a “fixer” and he couldn’t do anything to save them.

    I think a possible scenerio is that Jack kills Ben (somehow) during or after the operation. Then when Juilet asks him why or what made him decided to do it he says something like “Because Ben shot and killed 2 of my people” to which Juliet says something to the effect that it wasn’t Ben who shot the women, it was Michael (remember “Michael” was the other shot woman’s last word before she died). And Jack suddenly realizes how he’s been manipulated to do Juilet’s dirt work.

    And I still say she’s no friend of Jack or the Losties.

  18. sawyerseviltwin says:

    Here are my two ideas:
    #1- Jack will agree to do the surgery but prior to doing it there will be a revelation that Juliet is the enemy; Ben is an ally, but something will go wrong during the surgery and Ben will die anyway.

    #2- The Others cannot leave the island because they are in a situation such as in “The Lost Horizon”- stuck in a time anomaly. They are actually the survivors of the Black Rock and if they leave their true age will catch up to them.

  19. Joyce says:

    MasterPo wrote: Also, always remember that in Jack’s mind Ben is a killer! Jack *thinks* it was Ben who shot and killed Anna Lucia and that other women, and wounded Michael. Jack may allow himself a moment of retribution for their deaths. Espcially since Jack is a “fixer” and he couldn’t do anything to save them.

    That is not correct! Jack knows that Michael confessed to killing Anna and Libby.

    Jack is the kind of surgeon who won’t be able to kill Ben. I think he’ll operate, but will negotiate for something–perhaps even getting off the damn island and going “home” as he said in the preview for next week’s show. Once Jack gets back home, he’d think that he could come back to rescue Kate, Sawyer, et al. (After all this stuff, don’t you think Jack is ready to say “screw it” and go home!)

    I like what somebody said about Ben/Juliette needing to “control” Jack by convincing him that he’s killed somebody in order to keep him quite when/if he gets off the island (or perhaps Ben would threaten Jack that he’ll kill Julliette if Jack ever comes back to the island).

    For whatever reason, I don’t think the others can leave the island; Ben would if he could. Perhaps they were cloned there and there is something there on the island itself that keeps them alive. If they left, they’d die. What about this theory?

  20. Lesley says:

    Michael actually confessed to shooting Ana Lucia and Libby during their trek across the Island to save Walt so Jack knows that Ben did not kill the women.

    I doubt that Jack trusts Ben or Juliet and unless he is certain he can trust Juliet he would be nuts to kill Ben. I don’t think it would be an option considering who Jack is anyway. In my mind he has two choices – do the operation and save the guy or refuse to do it and let him die. If he refuses they will kill Sawyer, then Kate, then him, if the operation is not successful they will probably do the same thing. So Jack really does not have a choice, although they are trying so hard to give him a reason to believe that he does. This is a test, nothing more and Jack knows that. I am guessing Jack will try to bargain for Kate and Saywer’s release and he knows Ben expects that. Of course Jack wants to fix not only Ben but the whole Island situation as well. Maybe if he leaves he can rescue everyone…but that is another day’s
    rambling.

    I would probably help Ben…I actually like Ben. I think he truly believes that as a group they are good people. He was proud to tell Michael that a deal is a deal. He was proud to tell Sawyer they only transplanted doubt and my guess is that his quote from “Of Mice And Men” relayed his true feelings about being alone.

    Here is a crazy thought – – Does anyone else think that Henry seems almost juvenile sometimes? (Even though he is extremely manipulative and seems highly intelligent.) I would propose that it was not so long ago the guy was a kid, even though he has a 40 year old body now. That may also explain why he is sick when everyone else seems to be healing. Maybe Ben is an experiment gone wrong too.

  21. Zeb says:

    [quote comment=”12495″]Here is a crazy thought – – Does anyone else think that Henry seems almost juvenile sometimes? (Even though he is extremely manipulative and seems highly intelligent.) I would propose that it was not so long ago the guy was a kid, even though he has a 40 year old body now. That may also explain why he is sick when everyone else seems to be healing. Maybe Ben is an experiment gone wrong too.[/quote]
    Well, one need not have recently been a child in order to act in childish ways. And intelligence has little to do with maturity either. Ben simply has some major personality flaws, which have been enhanced by his life on the island; he has very small horizons and the Others don’t have anything resembling a healthy community. Being in charge hasn’t helped him any either – power simply tends to amplify one’s personality flaws. (I could use a couple of recent US Presidents as examples of this, but I won’t go there.)

  22. KillerR says:

    [quote comment=”12339″]THEORY #1
    Ben cannot leave the island. He claims to have access to the outside world, but I don’t think he’s actually ever been there. If he *could* leave, then the logical choice would have been to see a doctor in the outside world. Instead, he kidnaps Jack and tries to “break” him; therefore, the logical choice must not be an option. He cannot leave.[/quote]

    One problem with Ben going to the outside world, if he truely has lived there his whole life would be that he doesn’t have any identification, no birth certificate, and that would prevent him from getting very far in any country that he could get the surgery in. But that brings us back to was Ben telling the truth when he said that to Jack. I guess we’ll see.

  23. LostDamery says:

    If I were Jack I would do the surgery.
    Then again I would not have those tattoo’s on my arm either…
    However good tv suggests Jack not kill Ben unless of course Ben wants out of the show and wants to go home and do a film on his life…grrr

  24. Joyce says:

    Leslie wrote: Here is a crazy thought – – Does anyone else think that Henry seems almost juvenile sometimes? (Even though he is extremely manipulative and seems highly intelligent.) I would propose that it was not so long ago the guy was a kid, even though he has a 40 year old body now. That may also explain why he is sick when everyone else seems to be healing. Maybe Ben is an experiment gone wrong too.

    I kind of like this idea. You could even say that all of them are acting kind of “childish.” Juliette proud of her grilled cheese sandwich; climbing up on the table and sitting there with her legs crossed; Pickett not being able to control his rage; Mr. Friendly being so too friendly, especially to Kate (even tho it’s been hinted that he’s gay). So, if they are children living in adult bodies, that might mean they can’t leave the island because of some unknown reason. (Do you remember Blade Runner movie w/ Harrison Ford, and how the ones he was hunting had a man-made “time gene” where they died after a certain # of days?)

  25. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”12503″]
    I kind of like this idea. You could even say that all of them are acting kind of “childish.” Juliette proud of her grilled cheese sandwich; climbing up on the table and sitting there with her legs crossed; Pickett not being able to control his rage; Mr. Friendly being so too friendly, especially to Kate (even tho it’s been hinted that he’s gay). So, if they are children living in adult bodies, that might mean they can’t leave the island because of some unknown reason. (Do you remember Blade Runner movie w/ Harrison Ford, and how the ones he was hunting had a man-made “time gene” where they died after a certain # of days?)[/quote]

    I think you’re reading too much into their behaviours.

    Juliet is just acting feminine. Maybe a bit seductive/Tom-boyish. Remember that Ben said it’s no coincidence she looks like Jack’s ex-wife. Working her feminine wilds on Jack. Heck, I’m nearly 40 and given the chance I’d like to sit cross-legged on a table!

    Pickett has a rage problem. Big deal. I wish I had a dime for every manager I have with a rage problem.

    I don’t think Mr. Friendly is gay at all. Just playing his game like all the others.

    I agree it’s very possible Ben is the result of a genetic experiment or a planned human breeding program. But I don’t think it has to do with accelerated aging.

  26. KillerR says:

    I for one think the tats on Jack’s arm are pretty cool. The shoulder board he has is Mathew Fox’s for real, but the other one on the inside of his bicep is part of the show.
    The problem is that like Jack said he’s not stupid. Jack will continue to play along and just like with Sawyer during the poker game when they push all in on a bluff he’ll call them on it and take down the pot. There’s a reason he became the unofficial leader of the losties. He’s the only one that was worthy of such a role. He’s commited and will ride that horse until it won’t ride no more. He’s the man, king of the mountain, however you want to say it, but bottom line is that Ben and Juliet had better have a sack lunch on the day they try to get to jump on Jack because it’s gonna be a long day.

  27. Joe says:

    To be honest, if I could recall from the “To Kill a Mockingbird” version by Juliet, she calls ben a “liar”. But a few episodes back, a few things said by Ben fight back against what Juliet says about him. For example, Ben tells Jack that the Boston Red Sox have won the world series, simply Jack says he’s lying (I would have actually said the same thing if I was in one of our Lost character’s position.). Ben turns on the TV and proves Jack wrong. I’m not saying what Juliet is saying about Ben is wrong, but I’m pointing out that there have been many things seen visible within this Season that would prove her *possibly* incorrect. Therefore, my theory is that Jack will either try and wait for “the other’s” responses on Ben and their input of thought about him, or he will simply refuse to do the surgery unless they can negotiate a deal that would result in Kate and Sawyer (at least, if not Jack as well, possibly even Juliet) being released.

  28. Alex says:

    I disagree with those who say the X-Rays are not Ben’s. Remember–Ben asked Juliet, while Jack was out of hearing range, why she showed him “MY X-Rays”. So unless Ben is lying to Juliet (or someone lied to Ben), the X-Rays must be his.

    One thing I don’t understand: how did Sayid magically reappear on the beach!!?? Where are Sun and Jin? If someone could clear that up for me, please….

  29. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”12511″]One thing I don’t understand: how did Sayid magically reappear on the beach!!?? Where are Sun and Jin? If someone could clear that up for me, please….[/quote]

    They walked back from the dock. Apparently it’s only a day or so’s walk from the Lostie’s camp.

    However, I agree it was ‘suspicious’ how Sayid did just appear. I thought I had just missed the part when he, Jin and Sun came back. But I guess I didn’t. Also, very odd that no one seemed to ask him about the boat, what they saw etc. Nor did he apparently tell anyone, even Locke, what they saw.

    This has the same look&feel as when Charlie suddenly re-appeared on the beach with Claire after the hatch impolded.

    IMO there are 3 possible reasons:

    1) Somehow the huge magnetic burst from Swan has effected the flow of time for the Losties, enough to change their perception of how long things take.

    2) The lack of questioning and turn-around-and-they-are-back is very dream like which supports the idea that the whole Lost story is someone’s dream or a halucination.

    3) Very poor film editing and/or writing.

    I hope it’s not #3.

  30. TribbieSt says:

    @Alex,

    You’re right on the money with the x-rays – there should be no doubt that they’re Ben’s. However, to answer your question about Sayid . . . it appears as if they made it back. Sun and Jin simply were not in the episode, though it’s probably safe to assume that they made it back as well – if anything had happened to them on the way, Sayid would have been a little more agitated, I think.

    Not sure what’s happening with Jack – I agree he’s going to bargain in some way, shape, or form, but I also agree that Ben’s expecting it. It will be interesting to see how all that pans out.

  31. MasterPo says:

    I still think Jack should operate and save Ben. It’s the right thing to do based on his character. Ben may have an evil side but he’s a known quantity. Who knows what new direction the Others might take with Juliet or someone else as leader.

    It’s just that while Ben may not be lying about taking Jack home, what is meant by “home” is up for debate!

  32. Troy says:

    I thinnk that if Jack looks back on what happened with Michael, he will see that Ben let Michael go because he was promised to be let go. I think that Ben fully intends to let jack go home as he told him “I will take you home when the time comes.”

    My feeling is that Juliet wants to take control and is not pleased with some choices that Ben has made in the past. Possibley something that has to do with some of the others being outcasts.

    So I guess if I was jack, I would help Ben and hope for the best.

  33. leah says:

    If I were Jack I would play along with the group and say I would do the surgery because I know that Jack cannot refuse to help save a person. However, this “tumor” might be a test, just like the pacemaker. I don’t believe there is really a tumor at all. After all, the x-ray was conveniently planted for Jack to see. The people are constantly being “tested” to see how they will react to many situations. It is all part of the game.

  34. lostfreakkk says:

    I didn’t read through all of the blog posts, so I don’t know if this has been mentioned or not: I saw a preview of the next episode where Juliet brings Kate to talk to Jack. Kate breaks down and informs Jack that the Others would kill Sawyer if Jack did not comply with their request.

    1. By “them,” is Kate referring to Ben and the Others in general, or is she talking about Juliet and her followers?

    2. If the room was monitored by a camera (which could be viewed by Ben), why would Juliet allow the free exchange of this information between Kate and Jack? This makes me think that Ben, Juliet, and the Others are somehow testing Jack to see where his priorities lie. By making each situation difficult for Jack, they plan to see if they have truly “broken” him yet.

    3. If I were Jack, I would try to save Ben’s life. I would tell him the truth about what Juliet discussed with him. I would also tell him of the threat to Sawyer’s life. If Ben is as powerful as he seems, I am sure he has the means to stop the Others from harming Sawyer and also to overturn their plans abruptly. If Jack does save Ben’s life, he may be rewarded as Michael was.

  35. Joel says:

    Juliet made it look like she was inept when she botched the emergency surgery on Coleen. This was part of the deception of Jack. Since showing her vulnerability, she now is getting Jack to have some type of connection to her. Remember Ben’s words to her a few episodes back: “Nice job in there”. They are in cahoots, and everythng is connected. OR, Juliet allowed Colleen to die as some type of revenge.
    Either way, Jack will make the wrong decision. It is his destiny to make bad decisions and his quest to make good ones–the irony/fatal flaw of his character.

    Ben may actually have a tumor or not. But Jack is in the P.O.W. or kidnap victim’s dilemma–does he resist or give in? Which choice helps him more?

  36. Andreas L says:

    [quote comment=”12524″]I didn’t read through all of the blog posts, so I don’t know if this has been mentioned or not: I saw a preview of the next episode where Juliet brings Kate to talk to Jack. Kate breaks down and informs Jack that the Others would kill Sawyer if Jack did not comply with their request.

    1. By “them,” is Kate referring to Ben and the Others in general, or is she talking about Juliet and her followers?

    2. If the room was monitored by a camera (which could be viewed by Ben), why would Juliet allow the free exchange of this information between Kate and Jack? This makes me think that Ben, Juliet, and the Others are somehow testing Jack to see where his priorities lie. By making each situation difficult for Jack, they plan to see if they have truly “broken” him yet.

    3. If I were Jack, I would try to save Ben’s life. I would tell him the truth about what Juliet discussed with him. I would also tell him of the threat to Sawyer’s life. If Ben is as powerful as he seems, I am sure he has the means to stop the Others from harming Sawyer and also to overturn their plans abruptly. If Jack does save Ben’s life, he may be rewarded as Michael was.[/quote]

    But do we know if Michael really was rewarded?
    Look back at what Michael did, he killed two people. Are you supposed to be rewarded for killing?, And by doing the ultimate to free michael and he’s son as a reward does not make the “others” good people to me.

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  38. violet says:

    1) i think the surgery’s a pacemaker test. if they didn’t even have the necessary working medical equipment/staff to save colleen from a shot wound, how the hell do they expect to perform neurosurgery?? i also think jack’s smarter than sawyer, and he’s not going to fall for it. if i were him i’d go along just to see what they’ve got up their sleeves. he doesn’t have to make a decision until he’s actually performing the surgery.

    2) intent is a very important element in criminal law. medical malpractice, which doesn’t fall under criminal law, usually presumes you didn’t intend to do the bad thing that happened to your patient.

    3) so what if ben does really have a tumor? rose has a tumor too, and it’s not bothering her. either that or the electromagnetic energies (or the magic of the island, or whatever) have “cured” rose, AND they’ve cured ben’s tumor — the x-rays are from long ago.

    4) juliet does genuinely seem to be dissatisfied with ben, however, it doesn’t seem like she’s got anybody else “on her side”

    5) so far they’ve hurt sawyer to make kate work, threatened kate’s life to keep sawyer caged, i wouldn’t be surprised if they keep playing this little game of “i know you don’t care if i hurt you, but let’s see if you care if i hurt someone you care about” — it’s fun to see how the little triangle works, and i’m sure they’re having fun poking at it.

  39. Bernard says:

    Ben told Jack he got his spine X-rayed 2 days before a neurosurgeon’s plane get shot out of the sky (which is roughly -60something days prior to now).

    They have a medlab facility on the Hydra Station but with much older / scrappy looking gear than in The Staff Station… but that one got cleared out completely

    BTw , where did they put all the stuff, can they have brought everything back on the “new island”) ?

    As for someone the Other 80’s looking technology, it didn’t seemed to be the case at the beginning of Seaons 3 where in Otherville Juliett seemed to have a fresh/new CD player set …

  40. Andreas L says:

    [quote comment=”12511″]I disagree with those who say the X-Rays are not Ben’s. Remember–Ben asked Juliet, while Jack was out of hearing range, why she showed him “MY X-Rays”. So unless Ben is lying to Juliet (or someone lied to Ben), the X-Rays must be his.

    One thing I don’t understand: how did Sayid magically reappear on the beach!!?? Where are Sun and Jin? If someone could clear that up for me, please….[/quote]

    Remember that this could have been made up. Jack was standing a few feets away watching both Ben and Juliet. Ben could have said so just to start a discussion which was meant for Jack to hear or see. Perhaps they just wanted Jack to be be sure about Ben having a tumour.

  41. Anonimouse says:

    If i were jack i would make a deal with Ben. I would ask him to do certian things. For instins let kate and sawyer go. To get everyone off the island. Since there capabile of doing that. Becuase they got michela and walt off. Then for us all not to be harm. And last but not least. To tell us all what the hecks going on.

  42. Tomy says:

    if i were jack i will do the surgeon but Ben had to put free to Sawyer and Kate, after the surgeon Jack has to be free. Jack have not to conspire with Juliet because it could be a tramp.

  43. pango says:

    If I were Jack I`ll do the surgeon but do it wrong.
    I will obligate him to answer some questons to me:
    1) Who are they?
    2) Why are they so bad with the people from the plane?
    3) What did they want of them?
    4) Where are Walt and Michel now?
    5) From were are they?
    (If someone have an idea of another question please tell me)

  44. Donna says:

    I think that Jack needs to gain control. If the tumor is legitimate, then he has a HUGE bargaining chip. The surgery needs to be done right away, so potential bargains could include:
    –Ben must answer Jack’s questions(whatever questions he has)
    –Jack will do the surgery on “his turf” — on the island Jack’s been on the past 60+ days . . . at Jack’s designated spot, not on the Others’ island (anything for Jack to have the advantage)
    –Kate & Sawyer must be within viewing distance before, during and after the surgery
    –Requiring a pow-wow of Losties and Others — Jack picks whose involved in the discussion
    –Build shelters for the Losties on the other island (j/k)

    Etc., Etc. Whatever demands Jack makes can open up a can of worms — he can get to the bottom of whether or not the tumor is even real. What lengths is Ben willing to go if it IS real, and if he won’t go to those lengths, why not?

    How about requesting to see the French lady’s daughter — Alex? A private conversation with Alex (no cameras) could reveal some interesting tidbits.

    What about a private meeting with Sawyer and Kate — no cameras and at a Jack-designated spot?

    I just think that this is a perfect time for Jack to get control. Sawyer doesn’t have to die to make Jack operate. Ultimately, if Ben really has this tumor, HE will die if Jack DOESN’T operate.

    … just some thoughts.

  45. adamthelostfan says:

    This is more of a prediction than a “what would I do” hypothetical. If I were jack I would have killed jack and julliet when I had the chance. Regardless I predict Jack will do the surgery honestly but Ben will die unintentionally (maybe faked by the others to screw with jack) I guess we’ll see…

  46. Lostboy says:

    I would not do the surgery, I think Juliet is just telling Jack to make a bobo and in all reality she wants to be in charge and control things. So I would not do the surgury but I would do it now knowing that Sawyer will dye if he does not do it. If Ben dies on accident oh well but ethically I would have to try my best. Jack is that type of guy.

  47. mrs Echo says:

    he should rat out juliet and learn something from all of their actions. he has nothing to lose in that scenerio even if other others support juliet.

    – round up all the others & put them in the cages

    – get all the weapons back

    – round up all the losties to stay in control of the situation

    – stab him in the back anyway

  48. Victoria says:

    I’d tell Ben of Juliet’s intentions. I like to see Ben and Juliet at each other’s throats. They really don’t seem to get along.

  49. Joyce says:

    Here’s my two cents:

    –Juliette knew Colleen was a goner (even Jack alluded to the fact she was already dead from the gut-shot wound, even before she got on the oper. table); before going to get Jack’s “help,” Juliette put up Ben’s xrays on purpose so that Jack would see them. She’s pretty crafty, which means I don’t trust her at all.

    –I think they are Ben’s xrays. He said to Juliette “why did you show him (Jack) my xrays” and Jul. said “I didn’t tell him they were yours, but I guess you did.” I don’t think they were saying this in the hopes that Jack was listening in.

    –I think there are two islands for sure and Ben was being truthful w/ Sawyer in order to keep him/Kate from escaping (Ben certainly knows that Kate can get out of her cage, since he’s got a video/sound on Sawyer’s cage and would have seen it; after that is when he took Sawyer for the early morning walk).

    –I think Jack will do the surgery on Ben and not botch it. But he’ll have something up his sleeve to use against him/Juliette.

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