I Do

Last week Mr.Eko died, Locke saw a man with an eye patch on a monitor in The Pearl, Jack found out that Ben wants him to save his life and Juliet asked Jack to kill Ben.

Tonight’s exciting Lost Season 3 fall finale is called “I Do”.

Spoiler

This is the official description of the episode:

Jack makes a decision regarding Ben’s offer, Kate feels helpless when it looks like an angry Pickett is going to make good on his threat to kill Sawyer, and Locke discovers a hidden message that may guide him through the next steps of his journey to unlocking the secrets of the island.

As always, please feel free to discuss the episode in the comments!

Those of you who have checked spoilers or previews, please don’t reveal anything before the episode has aired.

Lost returns on Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2007. A brand new Lost episode will air every single week until the end of Season 3 so we have something great to look forward to!

While Lost will be taking a break, The Lost Blog will still be here. We will cover everything Lost related that happens during the hiatus and discuss the show just like we usually do. Don’t be a stranger, we’re here all week!

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226 Responses to I Do

  1. MK says:

    **EDIT**

    DO NOT READ IF YOU DID NOT SEE THE EPISODE YET!

    Unfortunate we have to wait until the 7th to see what happens. Will Kate finish telling Jack why she can’t leave? Will someone die in all the commotion?

    Did anyone predict that Jack had it in him to wilfully jeopardize his patient’s life?

    Any clue what Eko meant by lift up your eyes and look north?

    What about Patchy and the Korean couple?

  2. poopypants says:

    -still 2:52 minutes till”ShowTime” here on the wet coast.
    -Please Charlie,die,fall into a coma,or loose your voice,please anything.
    -I wonder who is gonna bite the dust tonight?
    -I wonder if our man Desmond can see the past as well,maybe hell out Charlie for beating Sun and Jin will Kim Jong Il and kill his hobbit azz 🙂

  3. pissy pants says:

    what was kate saying to jack right before ben said to get her out of there (there being jacks-cell’s-anteroom) ? thx

  4. MK says:

    [quote comment=”13787″]what was kate saying to jack right before ben said to get her out of there (there being jacks-cell’s-anteroom) ? thx[/quote]

    She asked him to go through with the surgery.

  5. azandi says:

    Two points of inquiry…

    a. What was written on Eko’s staff? DIdn’t quite catch that…

    b. What was the story Jack told Kate?

    c. That was a retarded way to end the mini-season tbh.

  6. pissy pants says:

    hey poopsie, i wasn’t even copying you. thats really my handle. sad kinda.

  7. pissy pants says:

    azandi,

    locke looked at echos jesus stick while planting it in his grave and saw the words “look up and to the north” or some such crap and then had another epiphany. Locke is a moron. I really hope they kill him off. SOON.

  8. Mabry says:

    Wow I really liked that episode. Very stressful but I thought it was excellent.

    Will post more thoughts later.

  9. Keys says:

    THAT’S IT?!?!?!

    That was the biggest letdown since Lassie-Bowl. What happened to the “major revelation”? Look north?!?!

    I am seriously beginning to get tired of getting no answers.

  10. Anna says:

    Who is Jacob? The guy mentioned him when he said that “Jacob” didn’t even have him (Sawyer or Jack?) on the “List”. That was curious, the only Jacob I remember was Vanderfield from the HF.

  11. petey says:

    im still confused on how the new guy and girl came on the show. did they crach on the island?

  12. sawyer lover says:

    I LOVE SAWYER & KATE THEY R THE CUTIEST COUPLE.PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS.ARE THEY GUNNA GET AWAY??GOSH.YA’LL DONT KNOE.THANKS ALOT THO.

  13. david says:

    they shouldn’t have hyped up this episode so much because the cliffhanger wasn’t a cliffhanger at all… other than that it was a pretty intense episode. the kate flashback didn’t reveal that much.. i thought that there would be some twist behind why she married him, but there wasn’t. and they still haven’t fully explained why the others took kate and sawyer, which they said they would in the first 6 eps. if they wanted a bargaining chip they could have just brought kate and threatened to kill her if he didn’t do the surgery. ugh…

  14. KJ says:

    I didn’t really think this episode was hyped too much. I mean, I heard it called the Fall Season Finale, but I never heard anything like, “Major revelations!” “Huge questions answered!” or anything. I wasn’t expecting anything huge so I wasn’t really disappointed.

    That said, I wasn’t really satisfied either. Many, many questions were raised and really, no new information was given. I generally don’t have a problem with that because I like learning backstory and such, but Kate’s backstory (Nathan Fillion’s hotness notwithstanding) was not that interesting. Nothing really new. We knew she’d been married, that it hadn’t lasted, and that she was a fugitive on the run. Not much else was learned here.

    I ditto the “Who is Jacob?” question, though, and of all the new questions raised on this episode, that’s the biggest, and the one that has me most inrigued. I’ll definitely be back on February 7. I just wish I didn’t have to wait until then.

  15. TG says:

    Wow, these are some sorry posts, people. Usually I come here to read insightful observations I missed during the episode. I don’t mind thoughtful criticism, but I don’t understand why people take the time to write “This sucks” over and over as though it is an original thought.

    I, for one, thought this was a great episode. Sure, they hyped it too much as the “mini” finale, but it’s really just episode 6 out of 22. I thought it was pretty action-packed for the beginning of the season.

    I really did not think Jack had it in him to take control of this situation. I thought he might just do the surgery like the hero doctor, or he might even kill Ben as Juliet suggested, but I really didn’t predict that he’d basically make Ben a hostage. Great twist!

    I was also really intrigued when they said that Jack “wasn’t even on Jacob’s list.” Jacob, eh? I wonder if Ben was serious back in season two when he said, “Me? I’m nothing compared to HIM.” Maybe Jacob’s the real leader, and possibly the guy with the eye patch?

  16. KJ says:

    TG, I agree that Jack’s actions were a bit of a twist. When he saw Sawyer and Kate and then told Ben that he’d do it to get off the island, I thought, “Selfish Jack!” Then when he turned that around to actually attempt to help Kate, I was surprised.

  17. Judy says:

    [quote comment=”13832″]Wow, these are some sorry posts, people. Usually I come here to read insightful observations I missed during the episode. I don’t mind thoughtful criticism, but I don’t understand why people take the time to write “This sucks” over and over as though it is an original thought.

    I, for one, thought this was a great episode. Sure, they hyped it too much as the “mini” finale, but it’s really just episode 6 out of 22. I thought it was pretty action-packed for the beginning of the season.

    I really did not think Jack had it in him to take control of this situation. I thought he might just do the surgery like the hero doctor, or he might even kill Ben as Juliet suggested, but I really didn’t predict that he’d basically make Ben a hostage. Great twist!

    I was also really intrigued when they said that Jack “wasn’t even on Jacob’s list.” Jacob, eh? I wonder if Ben was serious back in season two when he said, “Me? I’m nothing compared to HIM.” Maybe Jacob’s the real leader, and possibly the guy with the eye patch?[/quote]
    I totally agree with you TG, everybody needs to calm down and watch the show and just look for the nuggets. They’re not going to answer all your questions that fast! I for one am excited every Wednesday just to see what they are going to throw at me and know that eventually they’re going to blow my mind with the answers. Remember folks this series is slated for 5 seasons, if you don’t have the patience go drag something else down.

  18. For Entertainment Purposes Only says:

    This is my first post so be gentle. I just wanted to know if anyone had any ideas about the fact that “the others” denied to Ben that the young girl had asked about him. Curious why they would lie about that. Also, before seeing the ending, I was thinking that maybe working up Kate over Sawyer being killed was a ploy. Maybe “the others” knew that she’d get emotional and get intimate with him and they purposely allowed Jack to see it. Any thoughts?

  19. azandi says:

    I didn’t think it was a bad episode at all, it was actually ver well done. It was just a very frustrating finale…and I was expecting a revelation or twist or something…

  20. Judy says:

    [quote comment=”13804″]im still confused on how the new guy and girl came on the show. did they crach on the island?[/quote]
    They are some of the original losties that crashed on the island, they’re just being added on to this seasons episodes for one reason or another.

  21. FMGreenSteve says:

    Seriously though, quit complaining people. No one is forcing you to sit down and watch the show each week, if you’ve lost interest in the show, then stop watching it, and stop wasting bandwidth by coming in here and telling us how much you thought it sucked. Send an email to ABC if you want something to change.

    Anyway. I too enjoyed the episode. It’s nice to see Jack acting like a badass for once. It has to be noted how much faith Ben has put in Jack. He’s put his life in the hands of the man who just one week prior had him locked in a room, beaten and bloody.

    Jacob – very interesting. If Jacob is more important than Ben, why would they be so concerned about saving Ben’s life? Perhaps Jacob is related to Ben? His father?

    Sawyer + Kate – The “sex scene” was pretty unnecessary and slightly out of character for the show. They’re trying to string along female viewers by showing off some Sawyer boobs.
    I do imagine that having Sawyer and Kate get together was a big part of their plan all along. We know The Others – or SOME group of “other” – has a thing for babies…

    Alex – very very very cool! There must be some good reason why they didn’t actually physically harm her for what she did. I’ve always felt that her and Rousseau play an integral part to the story of the island. I can’t wait to see how their story develops.

    Eko’s stick – Raise your eyes and look to the north. Locke knows what it means and that can only mean good things for us. The more Locke we get, the better, as he is by far the best actor on the show and he’s playing the best character.

    3 months will go by fast. I’m excited.

  22. KJ says:

    [quote comment=”13844″]
    I do imagine that having Sawyer and Kate get together was a big part of their plan all along. We know The Others – or SOME group of “other” – has a thing for babies…[/quote]

    Oh, good call! I hadn’t thought of that. I am wondering where all the children have gone that they’ve taken, though. (Salt mines? Heh.) And why they took Walt, and what he did for them while he was with them.

    And I’m also super curious about Alex. She’s gotta be important to them somehow or they probably would’ve just gotten rid of her by now. Did Benry raise her after she was taken from Rousseau? *Was* she actually taken from Rousseau, or is Rousseau just crazy? (Honestly, it could go either way.) She’s gotta be important somehow…

  23. Lesley says:

    I don’t really care for all the complaining either. This blog has always been about insightful comments and constructive criticism. I liked the episode very much. Did anyone else notice that Kevin looked a lot like Eathan? I remember Eathan and Goodwin being the folks who collected names for Ben so perhaps Pickett is one of the disgruntled group and their spy man is Jacob – so is Jacob in disguise as Paulo??? Is Alex Ben’s daughter? Maybe Ben was originally part of Rousseau’s team. Tom was very upset about the prospect of Ben dying so they must be close. So Kate turned in the Costa Rica tickets for a one-way trip to Aussie land from Miami on Oceanic. If Kevin loves her is he looking for her now? (Or does Kevin work with the Marshall?) Looks like Kate left without getting unhitched. And did Ben promise Jack a trip “off the island” knowing that Jack meant a different island? That was really sneaky. It is looking more and more like the Others are unable to go anywhere. I wonder if Walt and Michael are also hidden somewhere on Lostcatraz with all those animals we keep hearing. At first I thought Jack was pissd after seeing Sawyer and Kate but what a nice turn-around, they did not even see it coming, kinda like the card game on the beach with Sawyer. Maybe the Others have met their match in Jack. February is going to be great!

  24. Amy says:

    Okay. Here are some of my thoughts. Alex (thats the girls name with the Tom Sawyer slingshot right) is Bens daughter. What did she say when she asked for Ben? Next, my tvguide i got today had an interview with the lost producers and they said that they introduced the new characters for two reasons. First, people are always asking them who are the characters in the background hauling logs and doing work. Second, a common complaint is that people are tired of the same backstories, so introducing new characters is a way to have new backstories.

    I assume the message on Echos stick was directions to find Jack, Sawyer, and Kate. And as for the sex scene being a way for women views to see Sawyers “boobs”. Bless them for sharing with us. That scene was hot, they cut out to soon. And of course they knew they were doing it bc Ben said so. Speaking of Ben, I am growing to like him. I felt sorry for him in this episode.

    I thought this episode was SO intense towards the ending…of course I was screaming at the TV for leaving me hanging, but thats the point of a cliff HANGER! haha. I was happy to see that in the previews for Feb though that I didnt have to be too concerned about one of the cliffhangers.

  25. Amy says:

    Lostcatraz! Funny. Seriously though, dont you think Jack would say “Hey Benry…why dont you to civilization and get your tumor removed”. And I dont think that Ben told jack he would get him off the island. I think he told him he would send him HOME. But, home could be back to the losties.

  26. Lesley says:

    [quote comment=”13852″]Lostcatraz! Funny. Seriously though, dont you think Jack would say “Hey Benry…why dont you to civilization and get your tumor removed”. And I dont think that Ben told jack he would get him off the island. I think he told him he would send him HOME. But, home could be back to the losties.[/quote]

    Didn’t jack say “I want off this island” and Ben said “done”?

  27. KJ says:

    Lesley, yep. That’s exactly what Ben said. They supposedly sent Michael and Walt home, so I guess they could do the same for Jack. Though if Benry dies, I doubt that contract is solid…

  28. Mabry says:

    Interesting that, was it Juliet, said to Ben when he asked about Alex “We took her home, I don’t know where she is now” or something along those lines…

    “Home”?

    I imagine that Ben did act as a father figure to Alex.

  29. cleezy says:

    pickett said….”the shepard wasn’t even on jacob’s list”

    what the hell did that mean???

  30. Amy says:

    Sorry, I was referring to earlier in the season when Ben orginally told jack he would send him home.

  31. poopypants says:

    Jacob is “Him”.
    and as usual,when this turns out to be true
    nobody will remember my genius.

  32. spotman says:

    did they really shoot Sawyer or not though? My tivo skipped.

  33. cleezy says:

    ok so shepard is jack’s last name right? couldn’t remember for sure…

  34. KJ says:

    Spotman, they didn’t shoot him. He was saved by the walkie talkie. But when the episode ended, the gun was still pointed at him.

    And cleezy, yes. Shepard is Jack’s last name.

  35. shawn says:

    I watch lost, and this is the first season I’ve watched it “live”. I had no idea this was the “end” of the season until February. I have never seen a TV show do that and expect viewers to stick around.

    Stopping an entire season after a few episodes is completely unacceptable. That’s the final straw and I’m done watching this show.

    I was tired of ABC running commercials every 6 minutes anyway.

  36. Floorcookie says:

    Some quick thoughts (hopefully – I tend to write too much):

    Picket convinced me. I think he was really going to kill Sawyer. That was not an “act” designed for some other purpose. And if that is true, why did they have Sawyer on the list in the first place?

    What leverage does Ben have over Kate? Something happened during Kate’s first breakfast with Ben right after being captured. She can’t leave without Jack? Obviously we don’t know. But one thing we DO know is that whatever it is Sawyer doesn’t need to be there. Kate tried twice to get him to run away. The second time it seemed even slightly more obvious. Not so much that she wanted him to leave for his own good, but that having him gone might actually strengthen her position somehow. She REALLY wanted him gone.

    Obviously there is some sort scism in The Others. Why does Alex want to talk to Ben? And why does Juliette lie to Ben about Alex? Mr. Friendly (Tom – the MC Gainey character) seemed to be the only one left to watch the surgery. And he also didn’t sound like he was on the friendliest (no pun intended) terms with Pickett. Could this be giving us further insight into which Others are on which side of internal scism.

    When Ben says “done” and promises Jack that he’ll get him off the “island” he could simply be referring to the mini-island (aka Lostcatraz). Ben could just put him back on the original island and claim he lived up to the letter of the law in his deal.

    More tomorrow (probably).

    — Floorcookie

  37. Peggy Miller says:

    I just have some stuff that I would like to share that I havent seen anyone talk about. In the first season there were quite a few referances to everything being “Black and white” On the beach when Walt asked Locke about backgammon and Locke said it was all black and white. The black and white stones found on the bodies in the cave where they found the fresh water. The white polar bear the black smoke the black rock. And when Jack saw his dad he had a black and white suite on and this wouldnt of been unusual due to the fact he was about to be buried but he had on sneakers. Is this odd or what.
    Another thing that I have found strange is that since crashing on the island the One lady (cant remember her name) was cured of cancer and Jin and Sun got pregnant and they couldnt have kids. And Locke who was paralyzed can now walk. So how on an island that seems to heal everyone does Ben manage to get a tumer on his spine that is going to kill him. I just found that kind of odd.
    Also if Jacob is “him” and the patch is on his eye and there is a giant pirate ship in the middle of the island Hmmmmm….
    Hurley is so differant then everyone else. It like he is always protected. And he is the only one who’s hallucinations seem differant not like memories but like things that are happening to him. Like when they showed Libby at the end of the hallucination as being a patient in the hospital it happens in a third party kind of way. If you get my meaning.
    Also when Locke comes back to camp after the hatch implodes Charly says something like you eko and Desmond disappear for a day after a major hatch implossion and you dont write or call…..and then later on when they are walking through the woods and they get to the hatch Charly asks Is that the hatch? What happened? Like he wasnt there or something. Did anyone else notice that?

  38. stormclouds13 says:

    So Michael brought Jack in even though Jack wasn’t on “Jacob”‘s list, which is interesting since it was Ben who ordered the lists in the season premiere, and it was Mrs. What’s-her-name who gave Michael the list of people to bring back. What happened to her, anyway? And of course Ben can promise Jack that he’ll get him off the island, because they’re on a different island and he could just bring him back to the other island. But he also promised to personally take him “home.”

    I want to know what Ben’s relationship to Alex is. Could he be Alex’s father, if Russeau has only been there 16 years but Ben has been there his entire life? This would make the exchange between Russeau and Sayid when Ben was captured very odd, but also interesting. Or maybe Ben became Alex’s surrogate father after she was kidnapped. It makes sense that Russeau wouldn’t go on a science expedition with a baby/small child or if she were pregnant. Maybe Alex is Jacob’s daughter?

    I agree with the statements above regarding Kate and Sawyer getting it on and the possibility of baby-making. Juliet is, after all, a fertility doctor, and Sun is magically pregnant after landing on the island. I’m wondering if Kate’s pregnancy test and mention of almost having a baby in her backstory has any significance. Plus, Ben could obviously see what was happening on his little tv screen and did nothing to stop it.

    My husband noticed that when Jack broke into the the control room, the others had German guns. Don’t know if that has any significance with the Hanso Foundation being based in Denmark, but he thought it was interesting enough to say out loud while we were watching.

  39. poopypants says:

    #1
    – I thought a secondary charater was going to die this episode?

    #2
    – I’ll make this prediction right now,”Jacob” is none other than “Eye Patch Guy”,you heard it here first kids.

    #3
    – I thought Locke and company were going to get a computer and try and contact the “Others”,now they have droped that and are “Headed North”???

    #4
    -Jacks Plan???,thats rich,if you refer to make-it-up-as-you-go as a plan then,yea,its a plan.Jacks plan looks a little too Rumsfieldian to me

    #5
    -Mr.Friendly looked like he was going to breakdown and have himself a little cry and snivel session right then and there in the O.R.,the big baby.

    #6
    -Was that Charlie I saw getting his teeth kicked out down at the ole beachy poo,one could only hope 🙂

  40. rb says:

    i havent seen the ‘i do’ episode yet(one of the downsides of living in london) shud be able to get it today though. im half and half so far, the lack of answers gets to me but the questions keep me coming back. my main point is HOW CAN IT GO ON FOR 5 SEASONS? i think i and many lost fans will lose interest long before then.

  41. Jason says:

    as usual, so much complaining.

    1. Lost doesn’t have any more commercials than any other show. Each episode is as long as any other episode of any other hour-long show: 42 minutes, give or take a few seconds. The commercials might come more frequently but there are not more of them. Get a stopwatch if you don’t believe me.

    2. If you want a show that gives you answers right away, watch Law & Order. You’ll get all your answers by the end of every episode. If you don’t have the patience to wait 5 seasons for some of the answers, find a new show to watch and quit complaining.

  42. Castaway03 says:

    Every episode. Every episode. I come here to read the good comments, and every episode a ton of little spoiled brats who think LOST should be exactly the way they think it should be come here and say “it sucks”. Wow. That’s pathetic. You’re too busy trying to find all your answers to the show’s questions to actually enjoy a very good episode.

    I Do was great. All you people who said it sucked… You’re wrong. Period. I loved the cliffhanger. It was a great way to make us wait.

    All the idiots who say “it sucked” if one little thing happened that they don’t like make me sick. It’s not your frickin show.

  43. FMGreenSteve says:

    Maybe I heard it wrong, but I don’t think they said “Shepard wasn’t on Jacob’s list.” I thought they said “FORD wasn’t on Jacob’s list.” And that’s why Pickett thought no one would care if he killed Sawyer.

    I can’t wait to watch this episode again, a lot went on right at the end. I feel like it was so dramatic that some important dialog may have gone right over my head.

  44. mainedan says:

    I think they are all in purgatory. Being assessed which way to go (white or black= heaven or hell) Any thoughts

    whoa

  45. rb says:

    fmgreensteve wrote:
    “Maybe I heard it wrong, but I don’t think they said “Shepard wasn’t on Jacob’s list.” I thought they said “FORD wasn’t on Jacob’s list.” And that’s why Pickett thought no one would care if he killed Sawyer.”
    sawyer was on the list because when micheal asked who that was she said ‘you know him as sawyer’.
    still havent seen this episode, my b/f is taking a while to download it but as many questions as there are, maybe some people are reading too far into things? maybe thats what the writers want? purgatory? i doubt it, i think it would be too complicated and would take EVEN LONGER than 5 seasons to play out. and fyi, i dont think lost sucks and even though i get annoyed with all the cliff hangers and never-ending questions….LOST IS STILL ONE OF THE GREATEST SHOWS EVER.
    will write more when ive actually seen this episode. lol

  46. TomasV says:

    I don’t understand why should Kate and Sawyer run, Jack should have instead wanted to get contact with the rest of the world and get rescued. There must be some way to do that on the station. I know getting rescued would mean end to the whole series and that’s not what the producers want, but somehow they could have incorporated this idea. I mean that’s their main goal, isn’t it?

  47. MasterPo says:

    Overall I thought it was a weak season finale.

    PS – I don’t think Jack actually injured Ben. I think he just stuck the handle of the blade under a nerve or something that would make an irregular heart beat and Jack knows how long the body can survive in that condition. Jack wasn’t operating anywhere near Ben’s kidneys. Remeber: Deception.

    pps- Jack doesn’t know they are on a seperate island. That’s probaby why Kate wasn’t eager to run. Like Sawyer said – no place to go.

  48. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”13870″]My husband noticed that when Jack broke into the the control room, the others had German guns. Don’t know if that has any significance with the Hanso Foundation being based in Denmark, but he thought it was interesting enough to say out loud while we were watching.[/quote]

    A lot of their weapons are foreign made: AKs, Mauser rifles, pistols from Luger and Sig Saur etc. Not very many firearms are made in the USA any more.

  49. Peggy Miller says:

    I would really like some feedback on my earlier statements. I realize the whole entry wasnt on the season finale but the last part was at least closer.
    So did anyone notice that Charly asked about the hatch like he didnt know what happened when him and Locke were in the woods looking for Eko? Even though he stated earlier to Locke when he returned from camp that they had been gone for a whole day after a serios hatch implosion or explosion I am not exactly sure.
    Please Comment

  50. MasterPo says:

    Peggy – IMO it’s justa function of a bit of poor writing and editing. In a feature show (and movies) nothing is written out and filmed sequentially. The beach scene could have been written and filmed earlier than other events. Could also be the victim of the editor’s knife. I’ve seen deleted scenes from shows that I felt would have much better explained something or shown continuity. But they have to cut something.

  51. MasterPo says:

    Did anyone look up the John 3:05 reference on Ecko’s stick?

    John 3:04 (King James version) says: “Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?”

    And John 3:05 says “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”

    I don’t want to get into a Bible debate. It seems to me 3:05 refers to the spiritual cleaning of the baptism (the whole John cahpter 3 deals with it) and what it takes to get into heaven (becoming or being considered as one of the ‘good guys’?) Remember that Ben/Henry said when the French woman caught him he was on his way to get Locke. Why?

  52. shawdawg says:

    I was suprised that Jack finally realized that the ball was in his court. BTW, he was no way near ben’s kidney like he said. I think there is a strong connection between Alex and Ben, maybe Ben raised her. I have to watch Season one to see where is kate heading. Anyway great show, it only rival is “24” which starts in January, YES!

    P.S. I think it is also another way off the (Other’s)Island other than boat.

  53. questionable says:

    re: question? Just curious because I missed the episode where juliett asked jack to kill ben?? Is juliett the woman who has been feeding jack? why does she want ben dead?

  54. Peggy Miller says:

    Master Pro
    So you didnt think maybe it was a clue to the possibility of time loss or that something funny is going on with Charly.
    And also did you by chance read what I wrote earlier.

  55. MasterPo says:

    Peggy – It’s possible, and I wouldn’t be surprised by it, but I highly doubt it. They haven’t setup anything previously to show time distortions. That would be too sci-fi. So far it’s been much more mystery than sci-fi. So unless in Feb the producers intend to kick it into high sci-fi gear (which I think will loose some of the audience) I stand by my comments of poor writing and editing.

    ps- Caveat: It seems something happened to Desmond. We saw a glimps in the preview of next season. That could be the setup for time distortions.

    That’s my “out”. 😉

  56. mt says:

    I noticed that there was no sign of the surgical incision on Sawyer’s chest where they operated on him – it looked looked pretty fresh last week – you’d think Kate would have noticed it and said something when she took off his shirt if it had been there. Was he healed by the island?

  57. Andreas says:

    I really, really liked “I Do”, it was a great episode.
    The cliffhanger at the end was insane, the three months until February will feel like three years now that we have to wait to find out what happens, hehe.

    I didn’t expect Jack to take Ben hostage, so that was a cool twist. Jack is sacrificing his own life to save Kate and Sawyer. That’s so heroic of him!

    Besides the operation the stuff with Alex was very interesting. Why is she trying to help “the good guys” and who did she want to know what the Others had done with – Jack, Ben or Carl?

    It was really fun to see Nathan Fillion as Kevin and overall I really liked Kate’s flashback.

    [quote comment=”13891″]I would really like some feedback on my earlier statements. I realize the whole entry wasnt on the season finale but the last part was at least closer.
    So did anyone notice that Charly asked about the hatch like he didnt know what happened when him and Locke were in the woods looking for Eko? Even though he stated earlier to Locke when he returned from camp that they had been gone for a whole day after a serios hatch implosion or explosion I am not exactly sure.
    Please Comment[/quote]

    Charlie left the hatch after Eko tried to blow up the door. He wasn’t there when it imploded.

  58. meh says:

    Heres something I noticed NO ONE mentioning…

    What was that mysterious “detour” Locke mentioned to Sayid? “We are going back to camp, just taking a detour first.” Then it cuts back to the Hydra camp, and next time we see Locke and Sayid they’re back at the funeral. Where’d they go? They didn’t even allude to it…

  59. MK says:

    It’s official. Michael Emerson (Ben) = Best Actor ever!

    The facial expression when he asked Juliet to have Kate taken away from Jack’s cage…

    That role calls for an exquisit Actor, and Ben is the man! Can’t help it feel sorry for Ben’s character despite everything he put the Losties through.

    Everyone’s feedback and comments this week are rather weak. The speculations are either redundant or do not make any sense. Haven’t enjoyed reading the blog as much as usual.

    <sigh>Lots and lots of repetition too.

  60. MK says:

    [quote comment=”13902″]Heres something I noticed NO ONE mentioning…

    What was that mysterious “detour” Locke mentioned to Sayid? “We are going back to camp, just taking a detour first.” Then it cuts back to the Hydra camp, and next time we see Locke and Sayid they’re back at the funeral. Where’d they go? They didn’t even allude to it…[/quote]

    <sigh> The detour was picking up Eko’s stick man… Was I the only one awake last night?

  61. MasterPo says:

    I think Locke went to find Ecko’s stick. He said at the memorial it wouldn’t be right to burry him w/o it.

  62. MK says:

    [quote comment=”13898″]I noticed that there was no sign of the surgical incision on Sawyer’s chest where they operated on him – it looked looked pretty fresh last week – you’d think Kate would have noticed it and said something when she took off his shirt if it had been there. Was he healed by the island?[/quote]

    No, makeup forgot to put the incision back.

  63. meh says:

    [quote comment=”13905″][quote comment=”13902″]Heres something I noticed NO ONE mentioning…

    What was that mysterious “detour” Locke mentioned to Sayid? “We are going back to camp, just taking a detour first.” Then it cuts back to the Hydra camp, and next time we see Locke and Sayid they’re back at the funeral. Where’d they go? They didn’t even allude to it…[/quote]

    <sigh> The detour was picking up Eko’s stick man… Was I the only one awake last night?[/quote]

    Oh was that it? Heh, I thought it would be something more important… 😛

  64. NJguy says:

    OK, here is my first post here, but I have been reading for a while.

    1) The whole Jacob thing. The timeline I imagine is this: plane crashes on island. Ben sends out Ethan and Goodwin to collect list of people (at this time he really doesn’t know who is on the plane.) Ben sends list to Jacob, who is in the outside world. Jacob responds with a list of “good” people to get. Ben maybe threw in a few suggestions of his own in order to get his back fixed up (without sanction from Jacob) which is why it is said “… wasn’t even on Jacob’s list.”

    This doesn’t give any solution to who Jacob actually is, but I think he is external and that is how they collected the info on Jack, etc. I’m wondering if he will be a final tie-in with Desmond’s girlfriend (Penelope, right?) and her father and that last few seconds of the season 2 finale.

    2) How did Kate and the gang get transferred to the Lostcatraz without knowing they were on a boat / in a tunnel, etc.? Were they drugged or knocked out?

    3) I hope Walt and Michael make a re-appearance sometime. For example, what really happened to them. Are they just living a nice suburban life now? Maybe that will be a final tie-in also.

  65. magni says:

    [quote comment=”13869″]I just have some stuff that I would like to share that I havent seen anyone talk about. In the first season there were quite a few referances to everything being “Black and white” On the beach when Walt asked Locke about backgammon and Locke said it was all black and white. The black and white stones found on the bodies in the cave where they found the fresh water. The white polar bear the black smoke the black rock. And when Jack saw his dad he had a black and white suite on and this wouldnt of been unusual due to the fact he was about to be buried but he had on sneakers. Is this odd or what.
    Another thing that I have found strange is that since crashing on the island the One lady (cant remember her name) was cured of cancer and Jin and Sun got pregnant and they couldnt have kids. And Locke who was paralyzed can now walk. So how on an island that seems to heal everyone does Ben manage to get a tumer on his spine that is going to kill him. I just found that kind of odd.
    Also if Jacob is “him” and the patch is on his eye and there is a giant pirate ship in the middle of the island Hmmmmm….
    Hurley is so differant then everyone else. It like he is always protected. And he is the only one who’s hallucinations seem differant not like memories but like things that are happening to him. Like when they showed Libby at the end of the hallucination as being a patient in the hospital it happens in a third party kind of way. If you get my meaning.
    Also when Locke comes back to camp after the hatch implodes Charly says something like you eko and Desmond disappear for a day after a major hatch implossion and you dont write or call…..and then later on when they are walking through the woods and they get to the hatch Charly asks Is that the hatch? What happened? Like he wasnt there or something. Did anyone else notice that?[/quote]

    I agree with you about the whole Charlie amnesia. Wasn’t he in the hatch w/Echo when it exploded? I didn’t get why he seemed clueless about what had happened? Maybe, he’s back on the white candy. He still has some stashed away doesn’t he? I actually liked this episode last night. I knew Jack would finally give in and perform the surgery, however, I didn’t see the twist coming at all. That was great! I was kinda upset he didn’t get more upset over seeing kate w/Sawyer all cozied up in the cage. jack’s too nice for her! She’s just using both of them. And what about sawyer getting all “In love” w/her? What’s up with that? This love traingle is getting hotter by the episodes. Love it!

  66. MK says:

    I’m sure we’ll see Michael and Walt again… eventually.

    Jacob being in the outside would make a lot of sense. Good thought.

    The idea of the 3 hostages being transported to the secondary island without their knowledge has been beaten to death a few weeks ago when Sawyer saw the second island (http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/every-man-for-himself)

    Welcome aboard.

  67. Hey Bulldog says:

    Hey! Is this MasterPo from the O & A show?? If so, you are a cool cat.

    As far as last night’s show, I thought it was a great episode. I think that most of the whiners or complainers are so used to the ‘got it have it now’ mentality that they don’t have the patience to let things play out. Sure you get the occasional lame lines from characters or out of character scenes, but overall, the show is very entertaining and makes you think. You have to admit that.

    Personally, rather than try and theorize on what is going to happen or who is this person or that person is, I just soak it all in and enjoy the ride. BTW, commercial times are usually, if not always with this show 4 minutes in length. I’ll post again after re-watching my edit of last night’s show. Stay LOST folks!

  68. MK says:

    Jack’s an idiot.

    He’s been a (certain male genitalia) since the beginning. He’s downrightrude to everyone good or bad, he does not negotiate, he’s beyond stubborn and he betrayed his patient’s confidence by slicing him open. What doctor does that?

    Ben gave his WORD that he’d let Jack go. I know this is TV, but what if Jack can’t fix the incision he made in Ben? Ben dead means Jack and 2 friends die. He has no sense of logic for someone with such high social stature.

    Quite frankly, getting tired of Fox’s acting style too.

  69. meh says:

    I’d have to agree. Hell, why didn’t he just adhere to Juliet’s plan? Pretend to operate and then just kill Ben without anyone (besides Juliet) knowing?

  70. LH says:

    Floorcookie, I agree. I think something was discussed during Kate and Ben’s meal that we don’t know about. She’s arguing too much about leaving. You’d think she take an opportunity to leave, then come back with back up to help Jack escape. Even before she found out that they are on a different island.
    Also, carefully accessing Ben’s kidney while doing spinal surgery – not quite as easy as Jack made it seem. So either a flaw in the filming or Jack is lying about what he did. Lots of nerves that can make you heartrate change when played with.
    I thought it was a great episode. I’ll be waiting anxiously for February.

  71. magni says:

    NJGuy-

    Good observations. I agree with you about Lostcatraz. Why didn’t Kate, sawyer & Jack know that they were on a totally different island (Locatraz?) They must have been drugged and travelled by boat to this island w/out them knowing. Sawyer was really surprised (as we all were) to realize there was a body of water separating them from their other island (Home).
    Yeah, I wonder where Michael and walt went? Did they actually get to go back home? Did anyone else think that there boat was going to explode as they were leaving ashore? That wouldv’e been classic! However, I like Michael and who wouldn’t have done the same thing to save your own child? I don’t have a problem w/him lying to Jack to get them to the island to save his child. What parent wouldn’t do this? It was a win/win in my eyes. Hopefully there home watching TV and not still on the boat trying to get off the island. It seems like you can never get off this island. It’s a big circle of water leading to nowhere!

  72. MK says:

    [quote comment=”13921″]NJGuy-

    Good observations. I agree with you about Lostcatraz. Why didn’t Kate, sawyer & Jack know that they were on a totally different island (Locatraz?) They must have been drugged and travelled by boat to this island w/out them knowing. Sawyer was really surprised (as we all were) to realize there was a body of water separating them from their other island (Home).
    Yeah, I wonder where Michael and walt went? Did they actually get to go back home? Did anyone else think that there boat was going to explode as they were leaving ashore? That wouldv’e been classic! However, I like Michael and who wouldn’t have done the same thing to save your own child? I don’t have a problem w/him lying to Jack to get them to the island to save his child. What parent wouldn’t do this? It was a win/win in my eyes. Hopefully there home watching TV and not still on the boat trying to get off the island. It seems like you can never get off this island. It’s a big circle of water leading to nowhere![/quote]

    Magni, the topic of how Jack, Kate, and Sawyer ended up in the second island has been discussed time and time again when it first aired. It is not a good observation, it is a stale observation.

  73. Hey Bulldog says:

    Magni, remember in last season’s finale when they were all shot with those darts? Then bagged and brought to the dock? I figured that is how they got transported, but then again Hurley was released and returned to the island. So maybe Ben lied to Sawyer. He had just told him earlier in the scene a couple of weeks back that the only thing he put in him was doubt, so maybe at that time he also put into him the feeling of ‘no where to run’. You think?

  74. Hey Bulldog says:

    MK, back off of Magni. Not everyone reads these blogs consistently. This is my first time checking it out. Be cool fool.

  75. questionable says:

    ok, is somebody gonna answer my previous question about who juliett is (is she the one who has been feeding jack?)? i missed that episode where she asked jack to kill ben. why?, and which one is she?

  76. magni says:

    MK-

    No need to be rude. This is my first time on this post. I’m a virgin at this stuff. Please be gentle. (smile)

  77. TG says:

    So I have a new theory about Kate. (Forgive me if someone has already come up with this elsewhere.) Remember in the season finale, after she met Ben for breakfast on the beach? When she was taken to the cage with Sawyer, she seemed shaken, and her wrists looked like she had been struggling against her handcuffs. In this episode when Jack asked her, “What did they do to you?” she broke down crying, as though they really had done something terrible.

    We’ve bounced around ideas about Kate and Sawyer being prepped to mate in captivity, and we know that Juliet is a fertility doctor. I think Kate may have been forcibly given a gynecological exam by Juliet before being delivered to the cage near Sawyer. I think the others WANT Kate to get pregnant. This would explain why she looked so violated in the season premiere, why her flashback to the pregnancy test was included, and why the Others didn’t interrupt when they knew she and Sawyer were having sex.

    If there’s any truth to this theory, it seems to be important to the Others that Kate engage in this reproductive act of her own free will. Twice Ben has referred to Kate “choosing” Sawyer. Interesting.

  78. stretchlimo says:

    Very good points TJ.

    “We both know you can’t stop running” said the U.S. Marshal.

    I think the flashbacks with Kate reveal how much she really loves Sawyer and/or Jack. She ran away from her previous husband, but she doesn’t want to run away without Sawyer and Jack.

  79. questionable says:

    oh im not trying to be rude…this is my first time on here as well, but nobody is responding

  80. Andreas says:

    I’ve removed some of the comments that were only complaints and didn’t add anything to the discussion.

    MK, calm down dude, if you weren’t impressed with the episode don’t take it out on the rest of us.

    [quote comment=”13934″]ok, is somebody gonna answer my previous question about who juliett is (is she the one who has been feeding jack?)? i missed that episode where she asked jack to kill ben. why?, and which one is she?[/quote]

    Juliet is the blond girl who came with food to Jack in the last few episodes. She was helping him doing the operation in “I Do”.

    No one thought you were being rude, no worries!

  81. MasterPo says:

    Keep in mind that Ben promised Jack he’d “take him home”. Jack (and us, the audience) at the time *assumed* Ben meant to the outside world.

    But…

    Now we know they are on another island. So when Ben said he’ll take Jack home he might very well have simply meant return Jack to the beach on the Losties’ island.

    Always remember the Others never give a straight answer. 😉

  82. magni says:

    Thanks Bulldog for backing me up!

    Questinable-Yes, Juliet is the sweet lady who gives Jack his PBJ sandwiches or whatever she feeds him. I think she asked Jack to kill Ben either because she’s working w/Jack to try to get him to escape or it’s just a “mental” game to see if he would actually do it. I’m unsure about that one. But, remember when she was trapped in the shark tank w/Jack and the water was rising up? Ben trapped her inside and din;t care if she lived or died. Maybe, she’s trying to get back at Ben for almost killing her. What do you think?

  83. mabelog says:

    What was the story Jack told Kate?

  84. magni says:

    [quote comment=”13938″]So I have a new theory about Kate. (Forgive me if someone has already come up with this elsewhere.) Remember in the season finale, after she met Ben for breakfast on the beach? When she was taken to the cage with Sawyer, she seemed shaken, and her wrists looked like she had been struggling against her handcuffs. In this episode when Jack asked her, “What did they do to you?” she broke down crying, as though they really had done something terrible.

    We’ve bounced around ideas about Kate and Sawyer being prepped to mate in captivity, and we know that Juliet is a fertility doctor. I think Kate may have been forcibly given a gynecological exam by Juliet before being delivered to the cage near Sawyer. I think the others WANT Kate to get pregnant. This would explain why she looked so violated in the season premiere, why her flashback to the pregnancy test was included, and why the Others didn’t interrupt when they knew she and Sawyer were having sex.

    If there’s any truth to this theory, it seems to be important to the Others that Kate engage in this reproductive act of her own free will. Twice Ben has referred to Kate “choosing” Sawyer. Interesting.[/quote]

    TG-great points!

    I think you’re right about the “others” wanting her to mate w/Sawyer. Because they are definately on camera and no one barged in on their dirty sex tromp in the cage. How romantic. And, yes, they did flash back to her pregnancy test, etc….Kate being a fertility doctor, etc…We really don’t know the whole story about breakfast on the beach with Ben. She was very shaken up when Jack asked her what did they do to her, and she didn;t answer his question. Hmmmmmm…….

  85. TG says:

    A friend is borrowing my season 1 DVDs, but if I’m remembering correctly, Jack told Kate a story about severing a nerve sack (?). The nerves spilled out everywhere, and at first Jack panicked, but then he counted to five, stitched the person up, and everything was fine.

    Can anyone else verify this?

    If that IS the story, then maybe this is exactly what he has done to Ben.

  86. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”13956″]What was the story Jack told Kate?[/quote]

    I think Jack was referring to telling Kate how he got really scared when he was operating on a young girl and things started to get really bad, but that he would only let the fear in for 5 seconds. He counted to five and then he ignored the fear and saved the girl’s life.

  87. MK says:

    My apologies to those that deserve one. Gotta learn to calm down.

    I thought the episode was great. Maybe not the best one this season but certainly very thrilling, lots of excitment.

  88. MasterPo says:

    I’m impressed with the range of the Others’ walkie-talkies. I can’t get a cell phone signel inside my local supermarket but Jack in an underground concrete bunker can communicate with Kate way above! 😉

  89. MK says:

    [quote comment=”13973″]I’m impressed with the range of the Others’ walkie-talkies. I can’t get a cell phone signel inside my local supermarket but Jack in an underground concrete bunker can communicate with Kate way above! ;-)[/quote]

    haha. Luckily that’s what Walkie-talkies are designed for. Point-to-point, not like Celllular technologies tat that require antennae.

  90. donyab says:

    [quote comment=”13880″]I think they are all in purgatory. Being assessed which way to go (white or black= heaven or hell) Any thoughts

    whoa[/quote]

    The producers have already said it is not purgatory in previous interviews.

  91. donyab says:

    [quote comment=”13892″]Peggy – IMO it’s justa function of a bit of poor writing and editing. In a feature show (and movies) nothing is written out and filmed sequentially. The beach scene could have been written and filmed earlier than other events. Could also be the victim of the editor’s knife. I’ve seen deleted scenes from shows that I felt would have much better explained something or shown continuity. But they have to cut something.[/quote]

    There is nothing done accidentally on this show. It all has purpose.

  92. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”13974″]
    haha. Luckily that’s what Walkie-talkies are designed for. Point-to-point, not like Celllular technologies tat that require antennae.[/quote]

    They are also line-of-sight. So when you buy a 5 mile pair, that’s 5 miles direct line-of-sight (nothing between you, like in an open field or valley) and under ideal conditions.

    My wife and I have a very good Motorola pair we took on a cruise last year to stay in touch while we were in other parts of the ship. There were many dead spots.

    Yea, I know it’s TV/fiction. Just like to point out the technical holes. 😉

  93. donyab says:

    [quote comment=”13907″][quote comment=”13898″]I noticed that there was no sign of the surgical incision on Sawyer’s chest where they operated on him – it looked looked pretty fresh last week – you’d think Kate would have noticed it and said something when she took off his shirt if it had been there. Was he healed by the island?[/quote]

    No, makeup forgot to put the incision back.[/quote]

    Again, nothing is “forgotten” on this show. It is all deliberate.

  94. Hey Bulldog says:

    Andreas. You are right on the story that Jack told Kate when they first crashed and she stiched him up.

    Post Edited by Admin – Discussing the previews is not allowed on this site, I’m sorry.

  95. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”13988″]There is nothing done accidentally on this show. It all has purpose.[/quote]

    Maybe not everything. Like ol’ Sigmond said “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” 😉

  96. Julie says:

    Okay, I haven’t yet read all the posts.. so no one jump me if I acidentally reiterate something.

    1- Anyone else catch the hint that Ben is Alex’s dad? She kept asking for him and then before the surgery he seemed upset that she hadn’t asked about him.
    Ben: Did Alex ask where I was?
    Juliet: No, we took her home last night.
    Hmm…. home? HOME home.. or just home?

    2- Jacob… hmm.. maybe Ben’s not the all powerful guy we think he is.

    3- I know that I’m not the only one who laughed at themselves last night when Jack actually grew some balls. I threw my hand up in the air and was like “YES!”.. then I thought.. Oh god, I hope no one saw that….

    4- Sawyer and Kate… FINALLY!

    5- We all know the story or Danielle and Alex.. but what if Danielle is wrong. We all accepted her story as truth. From last night I’m begining to think that ben is her dad and well… maybe Danielle is the one that got “sick” and got kicked out of the ‘happily ever after, martha stewart inspired’ community?

  97. Julie says:

    Oh, another thing.
    How did Kate know that Danny’s name was Pickett?????

  98. Andreas says:

    The idea that Alex is Ben’s daughter is very interesting and I too got that impression from the episode, but I’m more inclined to believe that she is his adoptive daughter than his own flesh and blood.

    [quote comment=”14006″]Oh, another thing.
    How did Kate know that Danny’s name was Pickett?????[/quote]

    I think someone called him that in front of Kate and Sawyer.

  99. KillerR says:

    [quote comment=”13877″]as usual, so much complaining.

    1. Lost doesn’t have any more commercials than any other show. Each episode is as long as any other episode of any other hour-long show: 42 minutes, give or take a few seconds. The commercials might come more frequently but there are not more of them. Get a stopwatch if you don’t believe me.

    2. If you want a show that gives you answers right away, watch Law & Order. You’ll get all your answers by the end of every episode. If you don’t have the patience to wait 5 seasons for some of the answers, find a new show to watch and quit complaining.[/quote]

    Im with you on both counts Jason; especially #2. If you’ve been watching lost for the last 2 years; you should be used to this by now maybe its time to find another show. I thought I Do was really good and will (like many of the episodes in the middle of season two) be more relevent later in the season/series.
    We got to see alot of Kate’s history and the repetative themes just makes them that much more important. It seemed like Kate (in real time on the island) has finally grown tired of running. That was a pivital plot point. And what about Jack? Was he accually paying attention to what Ben was saying about martyrs and prophets. But it may just be that this is the real attempt to break Jack. Can he go through with it, really? Maybe thats when Ben will become the martyr he longs to be. Who knows, but I enjoyed the episode and can’t wait until February.

  100. Floorcookie says:

    TG, good thought regarding the possible ObGyn exam during “breakfast” for Kate. The wrist wounds would be consistent with being strapped to some sort of medical chair.

    I assumed that because Pickett was really about to kill Sawyer that it meant they never needed Sawyer in the first place. It seemed like they needed him for something and then all of a sudden they don’t need him any more… BUT, one obvious thing that I didn’t consider is that they were only willing to kill Sawyer AFTER he had sex with Kate. Perhaps that was the only thing they needed him for.

    One thought (pretty far out there – but here it is anyway): What if they inseminated Kate with a “donation” from Jack during that breakfast. They could have “obtained” the mini-Jacks during the time period that he was unconscious. One would assume Juliette, being a fertility doctor, would have the means of extracting a sample from Jack and he would never know. Then they inseminate Kate, tell her Jack is the father and if she wants her child to have a father she needs to stick around, do what they tell her, and if she leaves without Jack, the baby will not get any inoculation shots and will die.

    Her motivation for sleeping with Sawyer may have been to confuse the issue. Create some speculation as to which one is the father. Maybe she thinks if the Others can’t be sure which one is the father they would spare both.

    Another thought about Ben’s committment to Jack: When Jack made him give his word I think the exact words were, “I need off the island…” and Ben responds, “Done.” Past tense. Already done. He IS already off “the” island…

    — Floorcookie

  101. MK says:

    [quote comment=”14014″]
    Another thought about Ben’s committment to Jack: When Jack made him give his word I think the exact words were, “I need off the island…” and Ben responds, “Done.” Past tense. Already done. He IS already off “the” island…

    — Floorcookie[/quote]

    I heard and stopped to think about that for a moment too but I quickly dismissed it. Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar.

    Given what happened next, and the fact that Jack broke his word, we will never know if Ben was planning on keeping his word. He did after all give a great boat to Michael and Walt

  102. Floorcookie says:

    Or how about this for a possible “breakfast” conversation:

    First, the ObGyn visit. Yep, you’re fertile. You need to have sex sometime in the next 7 days. You choose who you want to have sex with. But, whoever you choose, will then be killed (somehow it is necessary). If you refuse to choose then they are both killed.

    So by sleeping with Sawyer, she was actually choosing Jack as the one to survive. That would explain why she wanted Sawyer to run away. That could save both men (from her perspective) because they would then need to keep Jack alive to be the father.

    — Floorcookie

  103. Julie says:

    Okay… thoughts come to you at the strangest times. I wont go into to detail but.. I just thought about this:

    Danny and Random Other Guy #9 are headed off to supposedly kill Sawyer. So the convo goes like this:

    Random Other #9: Wait.. come back. Ben just went into major surgery!
    Danny: Shepard wasn’t even on Jacobs list.

    Now, this would make a lot of sense if they were going to kill Jack… but they arent.
    I know its been theorized but is this a clue that Sawyer is a Shepard?

  104. MasterPo says:

    Choice and personal decisions play a lot in this show and with the Others. Maybe it wouldn’t have been good enough to artificially impregnate Kate with Sawyer’s or Jack’s sperm. Maybe she had to choose in order to fulfill some philosophic (or religious) requirement/experiment the Others have?

    On another show, BSG, the concept of “love” as the missing element to successful conception is heavily explored and determined to be the key factor. Maybe on Lost too?

  105. donna says:

    Does anyone else think that Kate’s husband in “I Do” looks alot like the new Lostie who used the bathroom in the Pearl Station?

  106. middys says:

    I want to pose a question regarding Jacob: what if we already met him before? Only his name was not Jacob? We have seen a lot of secrets held by the others (ie. Henry’s real name is Ben; or is it?). What if Ethan’s real name is Jacob? It might explain why Jack wasn’t on “his list”.

    Another thing I want to say is I HATE the Sawyer-Kate thing. Sorry for those who like it. I was always cheering for my man Jack.

    I am also pissed about Eko. It’s been a week and I still miss the prayer-stick waving guy. Why couldn’t they have killed off Charlie? He’s hardly on the show as it is and his character is getting just so blah. I feel like Eko had so much more behind him that we didn’t see. Peace out, big guy.

    I would like to say congrats to Jack for doing a complete 180 on everyone. I don’t think anyone could have guessed that Jack would do that. I mean bravo. He not only put the ball in his court, but he did it by grabbing the Others by the balls. Way to go.

    I can’t believe we have to wait 13 weeks for a new episode. instead I have to watch some stupid show which is playing off one of the most overplayed plots ever. Oh wait: I WONT be watching Daybreak; that’s right.

  107. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”14024″]I want to pose a question regarding Jacob: what if we already met him before? Only his name was not Jacob? We have seen a lot of secrets held by the others (ie. Henry’s real name is Ben; or is it?). What if Ethan’s real name is Jacob? It might explain why Jack wasn’t on “his list”.[/quote]

    Sounds very plausible. Nice theory!

    [quote comment=”14023″]Does anyone else think that Kate’s husband in “I Do” looks alot like the new Lostie who used the bathroom in the Pearl Station?[/quote]

    They don’t look anything alike. Kevin is played by Nathan Fillion and Paulo is played by Rodrigo Santoro.

  108. MasterPo says:

    Ethan is dead. Charlie shot him. The Losties burried him.

  109. Boaty says:

    I don’t think they’re on that other island. Think of all those many “others” encounters… it would be to much warp speed traveling. They’re doing it to make them stay put. I think Juliette is the liar and the video with q cards was a setup. Love the show but the satan cloud and polar bear are a real reach.

  110. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”14026″]Ethan is dead. Charlie shot him. The Losties burried him.[/quote]

    Sure, he is dead, but he could have delivered his list to The Others before he was killed.

  111. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”14026″]Ethan is dead. Charlie shot him. The Losties burried him.[/quote]

    Your right… also Ben called Ethan….Ethan in the season premier. He said “Ethan, you run….. Goodwin, you run….” I dont remember the exact phrasing.. but they were called by name.

  112. dara says:

    there have been alot of interesting theroys floating around the most interesting is the idea that Jacob could be penelope’s father (jacob being a code name) His relationship to what is going on is definitley more involved in the long run. All the mysteries with him and desmond, his weath, his daughter and the snowy research station it all seems too much for him not to play a larger role. I checked out lost wikipedia and tried to get som info on him or even penelope but they are not listed as secondary characters, flashback characters or any where else. Can anyone find out more info???

  113. Monica says:

    1. I rewatched ‘The Cost of Living’ last night before ‘I Do’…did anyone else notice that when Eko is killing the militia in Yemi’s church, that he pulls the large knife out of the wooden table twice – before chopping the guy’s arm off and again before slicing the other guy’s neck open. Was it just a blatant editing error? Seems strange.

    2. Ben has a tumor on his neck, so why is Jack making the incision in the middle of his back?

  114. Laura says:

    How is it that after all this time on the island Kate has no underarm hair!

  115. ScottC says:

    I don’t know if anyone else noticed, but Jack repeatedly kept telling Kate to run, but almost too obviously only mentioned her and not Sawyer. Maybe that is why Kate was reluctant to run, as she knew Sawyer was going to be killed if she left without him. Maybe Jack was exacting a bit of revenge on Sawyer by exluding him from the getaway plan.

  116. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”14039″]How is it that after all this time on the island Kate has no underarm hair![/quote]

    LOL! But very true. 🙂

  117. samsandrasan says:

    I guess this did not seem strange to anyone else so maybe I missed something but… I thought Alex was on the run. Or has she just been slipping out from where they have her to the area where Kate & Sawyer are? Because I thought she was on the run, I thought it was strange that Denny’s only reaction was “you’re not supposed to be here”.

    I missed the line about Shepard not being on the list. Did he say just Shepard or “the” Shepherd?

    BTW The redundant posts are a drag but insulting each other is a real turn-off. Makes me not even want to come back here.

  118. bobby says:

    All I know is Jack is going to get screwed after he does the surgery. Even if the operation is a success, Jack thinks he is on the original island… And Ben gave his word to take Jack off “this island” (as Jack said). So Ben can just send Jack back to the original island without breaking his word. Damn those sneaky others. Lift up your eyes and look north–this will lead Locke to climb to a high place and look north, where he will see the other island and then devise a plan for rescue accordingly. I’m still getting over Eko’s death…he would have been useful if it every became really violent with the others.

  119. MK says:

    [quote comment=”14055″]All I know is Jack is going to get screwed after he does the surgery. Even if the operation is a success, Jack thinks he is on the original island… And Ben gave his word to take Jack off “this island” (as Jack said). So Ben can just send Jack back to the original island without breaking his word. Damn those sneaky others. Lift up your eyes and look north–this will lead Locke to climb to a high place and look north, where he will see the other island and then devise a plan for rescue accordingly. I’m still getting over Eko’s death…he would have been useful if it every became really violent with the others.[/quote]

    You hit the nail on the head. Jack’s bad timing for choosing to be a hero will be costly.
    After he Kate & Sawyer naked in the TV screen, he felt stupid and cheated. Minutes after, Ben agreed to let him off the island. Jack is the *only* person in the island who keeps asking to go home. Everyone else seems to be cosey. Why in the world would he turn that chance down by slicing open Ben?
    I think Ben has shown some credibility in the past with Michael. When Michael brought the 3 losties to the Others, Ben said: “he gave us more than what we could have asked for”. Quite possibly because of the whole tumor thing.
    If he gets his tumor removed, he has no reason not to keep his word. Jack would have had the opportunity to murder Ben. That should count for something.
    Eko’s muscle will be missed as you mentioned.

  120. shelly says:

    this is my first time on here & i love reading everyone’s insights. i don’t want to go over what other people have discussed so here is an interesting theory that i stumbled upon:

    that ‘mr.friendly’ guy w/ the beard told kate that watching her change in episode 1 wasn’t going to do anything for him & that she “wasn’t his type”. in last nights episode, he was watching closely during the operation & was in tears when jack threatened ben’s life. maybe (& i know this maybe a stretch) ben’s life partner is mr. friendly??

    also, the idea of ben being alex’s adopted parent makes sense since he can’t have kids of his own.

    i don’t know…i thought i’d just throw that out there.

    PS. did anyone get a glimpse of what the other monitors showed when jack walked into the room & saw kate & sawyer?

  121. yeni says:

    [quote comment=”14038″]1. I rewatched ‘The Cost of Living’ last night before ‘I Do’…did anyone else notice that when Eko is killing the militia in Yemi’s church, that he pulls the large knife out of the wooden table twice – before chopping the guy’s arm off and again before slicing the other guy’s neck open. Was it just a blatant editing error? Seems strange.

    2. Ben has a tumor on his neck, so why is Jack making the incision in the middle of his back?[/quote]

    That is very true I thought the tumor was on his neck ..so why is he working on his back???

  122. laxtheman34 says:

    Who is Jacob???? The man who wants to kill Sawyer said, as he left the OR viewing room, “…and Shepard wasn’t even on Jacob’s list.” Can anyone explain this to me???

  123. poopypants says:

    O.K. once and for all.Jacob is none other than the guy with the eye patch.you heard it hear first,but as usual,someone will rip off my theory and claim it as their own.

  124. Mike says:

    [quote comment=”13887″]Overall I thought it was a weak season finale.

    PS – I don’t think Jack actually injured Ben. I think he just stuck the handle of the blade under a nerve or something that would make an irregular heart beat and Jack knows how long the body can survive in that condition. Jack wasn’t operating anywhere near Ben’s kidneys. Remeber: Deception.

    pps- Jack doesn’t know they are on a seperate island. That’s probaby why Kate wasn’t eager to run. Like Sawyer said – no place to go.[/quote]
    Okay, that was not a season finale it was a finale and the season will start up again in 4 months

  125. MK says:

    [quote comment=”14062″]O.K. once and for all.Jacob is none other than the guy with the eye patch.you heard it hear first,but as usual,someone will rip off my theory and claim it as their own.[/quote]

    Bet you he’s not 🙂

    We know there are other others, patchy has got to be one of the other others. Patchy’s physical condition was too filthy to be one of the “good” others. Plus, it looked like he was busy with grunt work in that other hatch, hardly appropriate for the leader of the others.

    Welcome aboard Shelly. The other monitors were scattered around the village, most were empty.

  126. Zubaz says:

    I thought the episode last night was light years better than last week’s, but the medical stretches have been a bit tough to swallow. The x-rays were of Ben’s lumbar spine, but some of the symptoms Jack asked Ben about (numbness, tingling in the arms) are associated with cervical spine problems and would not be expected in Ben. The worst part, though, was the suggestion that Jack would show up to do major spinal surgery on a patient who’s already on his stomach with a nasal cannula and then “put him to sleep” with an injection and no intubation. Even the lady Sun shot was intubated when he got there. They could have had a dramatic moment and a “see you on the other side” outside of the operating room and sacrificed the camera shot up through the headrest to preserve the slightest bit of medical believability. As I recall, Jack’s wife was not intubated when he did her surgery, either. Maybe he’s just that good!

  127. Umbrella al says:

    [quote comment=”13792″]Two points of inquiry…

    a. What was written on Eko’s staff? DIdn’t quite catch that…

    b. What was the story Jack told Kate?

    c. That was a retarded way to end the mini-season tbh.[/quote]

    A) “Lift up your eyes and look north” reminds me also of what Desmond told Jack during his tour de stad, “you’ve gotta lift it up brothah!”

    B) Jack told kate the story about when he was a young surgon and he would get scared and would only let the fear in for 5 seconds. something like that.

    C) i thought it was a great ending! Lots to look forward to.

  128. Umbrella al says:

    [quote comment=”13853″]
    Didn’t jack say “I want off this island” and Ben said “done”?[/quote]

    Remember also that he isn’t on THE Island… he could still be tricky and send him back to the losties island.

  129. Andreas says:

    I just took a second look at the episode and I noticed something that I didn’t pay attention to before:

    When Alex is dragged of she screams “They will kill your boyfriend just like they killed mine!”

    Did they kill Carl? And if they did – why? One guess would be that Ben doesn’t want Carl to love Alex, but killing him for it seems a bit harsh.

  130. Julie says:

    I think that y’all missed something big about Jack seeing Sawyer and Kate post-sex romp on the tv.
    Remember: Jack’s wife left him for another man because he ‘let her down’. He was never there for her. So implying that he pushed her to someone else.
    Last night Jack pushes Kate away…. doesnt want to hear what she has to say. “we’re done here..”.
    So, in seeing Sawyer and Kate the way he did, I’m sure that he felt the same emotions as when his ex wife ran to another man after being pushed away.
    This would explain his need to save Kate. He wants to show her that he’s doing something…for her.

  131. Bob says:

    Concerning the mysterious John 3:05 message, maybe one of ya’ll can refresh my memory. In last season’s finale, where Locke and Desmond are in the hatch and Desmond points out the time on the printout from the computer and says that’s when he crashed the plane, what time was quoted on that computer paper?

  132. snow says:

    Maybe Kate was artificially inseminated with Ben’s sperm after their romantic breakfast. Then he let her go to Sawyer so when she turns up pregnant she thinks it is his and not Ben’s!

  133. poopypants says:

    MK
    to your points.

    #1 -We know there are other others.
    *This is an asumption.there could be other “Others” or there could be two factions inside the “Others” ie.Juliet going against Ben,Picket going against orders as soon as Ben is under the knife.
    #2 -Patchy’s physical condition was too filthy to be one of the “good” others.
    *He looked fairly hygenic to me,plus it was black and white video making it harder to tell.

    #3 -Plus, it looked like he was busy with grunt work in that other hatch, hardly appropriate for the leader of the others.
    *On the Map there is a notation of an undiscovered hatch,coincidentally(not)right in the same area Ben/Henry was captured by Rousseau.Ben/Henry was,I predict,there to go to the hatch to see his boss,”Jacob” aka “EyePatchGuy”.

    *And in closing I give you this…
    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob_Vanderfield
    * If that dude isn’t “EyePatchGuy” its his twin brother

    Nailed it again,man I am Good

  134. SOOO not working right now (damn you, LOST!) says:

    re: Jack in this episode — there has been a lot of discussion about his motivations, actions, etc. I think what we really learned about Jack is that his loyalty is to the right people — even though he may feel hurt/betrayed etc that Kate picked Sawyer over him, he puts himself at risk to be sure they get free. Initially, it seemed like he told Ben he would do the surgery because he was kind of in a screw kate/sawyer place, but he wasn’t. He’s still in the “why do you think i would care about you” stage (as he said to Juliet before). Yes, he probably still hopes he can get off the island if he helps Henry, but he clearly is putting the safety of those he feels the most responsible for first. I don’t think he would actually leave. He and Locke clearly have a confrontation coming…

  135. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”14082″]I think that y’all missed something big about Jack seeing Sawyer and Kate post-sex romp on the tv.
    Remember: Jack’s wife left him for another man because he ‘let her down’. He was never there for her. So implying that he pushed her to someone else.
    Last night Jack pushes Kate away…. doesnt want to hear what she has to say. “we’re done here..”.
    So, in seeing Sawyer and Kate the way he did, I’m sure that he felt the same emotions as when his ex wife ran to another man after being pushed away.
    This would explain his need to save Kate. He wants to show her that he’s doing something…for her.[/quote]

    Very good observation Julie!

    To me it really felt like Jack was sacrificing himself to save Kate (and Sawyer), because he must understand that after his little stunt the Others won’t let him live even if he completes the surgery

  136. Anne says:

    kate should b w/ jack! not sawyer!

  137. Toni says:

    ok, so i’m new here and just wanted to offer a couple theories i didn’t see posted.

    but first, i want to say nice post julie… i very much agree.

    now, I think it’s pretty obvious kate’s purpose on lostcatraz is to further jacob’s agenda (we’re still waiting to find out what that is, of course). And then I think sawyers purpose on the island is to act as a control on kate (remember sayid saying how he wanted to capture two hostages, one to keep the other in line). and then jack was added at ben’s discretion for surgery purposes.

    I disagree with the theory that sawyer was there to impregnate kate… they would at least wait to do a pregnancy test on kate before killing sawyer if that was the case. instead, i think the reason sawyer is now expendable is because jack was added to the list after jacob made the list, and therefore jack can now act as a control on kate.

    Additionally,i think it’s possible that juliette was still working for/with ben when she came in with the video. if i was ben, i would want to test jack to see if i could trust him to actually do the surgery… (if jack gave juliette any indication that he agreed with her plan, ben would immediately cancel the surgery). if this was true, then the whole fighting dynamic between ben and juliette has been an act for jack’s benefit so ben could test him. ben has been known to be quite devious and manipulative….

  138. ProPixie says:

    Have any of you noticed how the majority of the episodes revolve around a child? Sawyer’s alleged child with Cassidy; Jack’s wife might have been pregnant when she left him; Kate taking a pregnancy test after her marriage; Sun is now pregnant; Claire having a baby. Then there are the familial relationships that seem uncohesive, like Locke with his dad, Jack with his dad; Michael and Walt; Shannon and Boone with their parents; Sun with her dad; Kate with her mother and possibly abusive stepfather, etc.

    I read in a magazine article the other day that they are even reusing actors, but having them play like completely different characters. How hard is it to find an extra???

    Each week I have to remind myself that it is just one more day on the island, not a full week.

    Where are Michael and Walt now? How is it that Sayid made it back to the island without Sun and Gin. Do the Others have the boat? Also, if it is true that the polar bear and shark all were original parts of the Hydra, how did the polar bear get on the other island? Maybe a Noah’s Ark experiment gone awry?

  139. Toni says:

    propixie–
    from wikipedia on polar bears: “Polar bears are excellent swimmers and can often be seen in open waters miles from land.”
    polar bears probably swam across to the other island… since the other island is so much bigger, it probably offers more food supply (boars, etc) so they settled there after escaping the hydra hatch.

  140. Toni says:

    oh, and one last comment i forgot to add to my last posting is that i think they showed the story of kate’s marriage this episode because they wanted to show how she realizes she isn’t a taco-night kind of gal… and never will be. jack might love her **in spite of** her criminal history, but he would ultimately expect her to become this “taco-night kind of girl” with him. sawyer loves her for everything that she is, including her history and doesn’t expect her to become anything else.

  141. Pam says:

    So I don’t feel like taking the time to read all the comments hear, I’ll do that later when I have time.
    *I just want to say that I was glad to see Nathan Fillion (from Firefly), even though Kate drugged him. Do you think the drug she gave him killed him, or will it just paralyze his memory…I think he’s dead.*

  142. theOtherdave says:

    [quote comment=”13875″]#1

    #6
    -Was that Charlie I saw getting his teeth kicked out down at the ole beachy poo,one could only hope :)[/quote]

    I love Charlie that much too(wink-wink). But where pray-tell did you see that? I must’ve missed something. And I swear I didn’t get up from the couch.

  143. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”14137″]So I don’t feel like taking the time to read all the comments hear, I’ll do that later when I have time.
    *I just want to say that I was glad to see Nathan Fillion (from Firefly), even though Kate drugged him. Do you think the drug she gave him killed him, or will it just paralyze his memory…I think he’s dead.*[/quote]

    It was cool to see Nathan on Lost, he did a nice job playing Kevin.

    I don’t think Kate killed him. She said that she didn’t want him to loose his job, so I doubt that she wanted him to die. She just drugged him to make him fall asleep so that it didn’t seem like he just let a known fugitive run away.

  144. Shazzie says:

    This is my first time writing although I occassionally read all the comments. I haven’t watched this episode but it sounds like it’s going to be a good one. I’m in Australia so we haven’t even started watching this season here yet but I have been watching on “YouTube”, thank god 4 YouTube. This is one the best shows ever made…along with Prison Break.

  145. joeliskey says:

    i’m suprised nobody has researched the stick.

    here’s what God has to say about it:

    ezekiel 8:5

    isn’t that really what’s going on with the others? it ain’t easy being green.

    loved the episode, love this board, locke is my favorite, but i was alittle let down by his limited role in this episode. i think the verse on the stick is just an easy way to seemingly set them up for a hike up the mountain as you’ve mentioned.

    also, didn’t the girl call pickett “daddy?” i watched it on abc.com, with lowbandwidth, so i was unable to run it back and check.

    keep it up guys!

  146. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”14143″][quote comment=”14137″]
    *I just want to say that I was glad to see Nathan Fillion (from Firefly), even though Kate drugged him. Do you think the drug she gave him killed him, or will it just paralyze his memory…I think he’s dead.*

    It was cool to see Nathan on Lost, he did a nice job playing Kevin.

    I don’t think Kate killed him. She said that she didn’t want him to loose his job, so I doubt that she wanted him to die. She just drugged him to make him fall asleep so that it didn’t seem like he just let a known fugitive run away.[/quote]

    Oh yeah for not killing him, he totally did not deserve to die, or to be fooled by Kate.

  147. joeliskey says:

    also, in regards to ban’s tumor, and it’s conflict with the island’s healing atributes:

    ben’s quote from of mice and men seemed to tease the importance of jack “wanting” to save him.

    i’ll explain.

    when your mind is on something else (finding your husband, keeping your heartrate down, surviving a plane crash only to find you’ve been thrown into the expedition you were origionally denied (in locke’s case) your body is free to fix itself.

    whowever, with the others, who have become comfortable enough to start a book club, the newness of the island has perhaps worn off and thier members have started falling victim to the same ailments that we do, here in the real world. (cancer, mental illness, and deciet.)

    ben says something about getting sick, being lonely. it’s mental health, man!

    i’m sure that once barnard’s wife gets tired of cleaning up the kitchen after hurley, she’ll come out of remission. and have we forgotten about locke’s legs and how they work sometimes, but don’t work when he doubts himself.

    i’m just not suprised about the tumor, to me that is not inconsistent with “the rules” of the island.

    has anybody dubbed the island “eden” yet?

  148. lime says:

    Just one question, something i didn’t understand was who did open all the doors for Jack ? Who was talking on the “broken” intercom ?

    If it was Ben, then why ? To show him Kate and Sawyer as one more try to “break” him ?

    Also the voice looked like female to me, but i wouldn’t see why Juliet would do that. And I would rule out Alex after what she did. And even if it was her, the timing of Ben’s appearence is suspicious.

    So who did that ?

  149. Lesley says:

    [quote comment=”14175″]Just one question, something i didn’t understand was who did open all the doors for Jack ? Who was talking on the “broken” intercom ?

    If it was Ben, then why ? To show him Kate and Sawyer as one more try to “break” him ?

    Also the voice looked like female to me, but i wouldn’t see why Juliet would do that. And I would rule out Alex after what she did. And even if it was her, the timing of Ben’s appearence is suspicious.

    So who did that ?[/quote]

    I am pretty sure that the intercom voice and the door opener was Alex. She has helped in the past and was pretty upset about what they did to Carl.

  150. judy says:

    [quote comment=”14158″]i’m suprised nobody has researched the stick.

    here’s what God has to say about it:

    ezekiel 8:5

    isn’t that really what’s going on with the others? it ain’t easy being green.

    loved the episode, love this board, locke is my favorite, but i was alittle let down by his limited role in this episode. i think the verse on the stick is just an easy way to seemingly set them up for a hike up the mountain as you’ve mentioned.

    also, didn’t the girl call pickett “daddy?” i watched it on abc.com, with lowbandwidth, so i was unable to run it back and check.

    keep it up guys![/quote]
    She called him Danny, that’s his name.

  151. Lesley says:

    I did a little snooping around wikipedia regarding Jacob and of course the name has biblical connections.

    Jacob was a twin and very studious (he was the opposite of his brother),
    Jacob had a vision of a ladder to heaven which he climbed and heard God’s voice,
    Jacob’s wife Rachel was barren,
    Jacob wrestled all night with a being – Angel/God (depending on the source of interpretation) and the being could not win,
    Jacob had 12 sons and one was named Benjamin

    Don’t you love it?

  152. Humboldt Locke says:

    What exactly was the point of Kate’s back story? It was a total waste of time, we already knew she was married at some point, big friggin whup! They are totally dragging everything out to sell more commercials and the show is getting severely watered down as a result. I’m too invested to jump ship but can get a Hurley episode for once! I’m tired of the gushy love triangle.

  153. Jenny says:

    I have seen the questions concerning Alex. She is the daughter of the french woman. She was on the plane that crashed so many years prior to the Oceanic flight. If anyone has seen the Village then it is possible that the “Others” are living a lifestyle that has no interference from the outside world. No crime, no hectic lifestyle, no stress except for accidential plane crashes. The foot with out a big toe is a symbol of something related to either an ancient culture or a culture that the Others started. As far as why Jack is holding Ben hostage; he loves Freckles enough to save her and the man that she chose to love.

  154. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”14206″]What exactly was the point of Kate’s back story? It was a total waste of time, we already knew she was married at some point, big friggin whup! They are totally dragging everything out to sell more commercials and the show is getting severely watered down as a result. I’m too invested to jump ship but can get a Hurley episode for once! I’m tired of the gushy love triangle.[/quote]
    The point of that flashback was to give Nathan Fillion a spot on tv-totally worth it. Also someone drew connections with the way Kate does not feel she can be a “taco-night wife”, and how Jack would expect that from her if he went with her, and Sawyer would not.

  155. Thw9797 says:

    Okay – I am completely obsessed with this… last night however I got confused and was thinking the show started at 9 and I MISSED IT!! I’m so mad. Now I’m reading that this was the season finale? There have only been like maybe 4 episodes?? I don’t get it? Is there anywhere on the internet that you can watch an whole episode if you missed one?? HELP!!

  156. Toni says:

    thw9797–you can watch the episodes for free at abc’s websites (although there are commercial breaks). http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing

    and this is the finale for the first section of this season… in feb. they will have a bunch more episodes to this season (like 16 or 17 more) and because they have the mid-season break they’ll be able to play them every week without reruns…

  157. UNCMOM says:

    [quote comment=”13797″]Who is Jacob? The guy mentioned him when he said that “Jacob” didn’t even have him (Sawyer or Jack?) on the “List”. That was curious, the only Jacob I remember was Vanderfield from the HF.[/quote]

    I don’t know if this is significant (or if someone else already mentioned it), but Biblically Jacob is the father of the 12 twelve tribes of Isreal. His youngest son is Benjamin. Could mean something…

  158. stretchlimo says:

    Everything is plausible on this show except for the smoke monster. Really, what is that?

  159. Rita says:

    [quote comment=”13897″]…They haven’t setup anything previously to show time distortions. That would be too sci-fi. So far it’s been much more mystery than sci-fi. So unless in Feb the producers intend to kick it into high sci-fi gear (which I think will loose some of the audience) quote]

    I for one love sci-fi and won’t mind if the show is going in that direction.

    BT

  160. mp says:

    this is what i think happened…jack cut open the nerve sack thing that he also did in the story he told kate in the first season and she will say it over the radio eventually for all to hear and realize what jack did

  161. cazzie says:

    Here’s my idea….the others or actually prisoners of “Jacob” and the “other others” the one lady who talked to michael, when he wanted to get his son back is one of them too. “Jacob” is letting ben act like the big wig to get his surgery done, but he is nothing more than another person on the island.

  162. LR says:

    I just rewatched the episode I Do and two things stood out to me. The first is that when Kate called up the Marshall on the payphone she only entered SEVEN digits…indicating that it was a local call.

    The other thing that stood out was in the last minute of the show when Jack is talking to Kate. In the midst of all the chaos she takes the time to ask him “Where are you,” indicating that where he is in proximity to her is very important (maybe some kind of pacemaker mentality?)…and also that she repeated over and over again that she could not leave without him. She may have been saying that just because of the desire for them to stick together, but she also may have been saying that because she is forced to be physically close to him.
    I predict the next show to open with Kate talking to Jack and the first couple lines will reveal why she can’t leave without him.

  163. lime says:

    [quote comment=”14179″]Just one question, something i didn’t understand was who did open all the doors for Jack ? Who was talking on the “broken” intercom ?
    —-
    I am pretty sure that the intercom voice and the door opener was Alex. She has helped in the past and was pretty upset about what they did to Carl.
    [/quote]
    —-
    So little Alex goes berserk on the death of her boyfriend and start slinging people (possibly to death, slings can be really nasty, see how scared the guy with the gun was when se pointed it to his face).

    And the Others not only don’t lock her up, but they let her go around and play with intercoms and doors ?
    On the night Kate and Sawyer get toghether ?
    A bit too conveninent.

    Either the Alex story is fake (bad cop, good cop style), or she was manipulated like the losties and she’s a prisoner like them.

  164. Toni says:

    lime–
    you can see alex running away with kate and sawyer in the preview for the febuary episodes.

  165. joeliskey says:

    can you post a link to this “preview?”

    …since we can’t discuss it.

  166. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”14134″]propixie–
    from wikipedia on polar bears: “Polar bears are excellent swimmers and can often be seen in open waters miles from land.”
    polar bears probably swam across to the other island… since the other island is so much bigger, it probably offers more food supply (boars, etc) so they settled there after escaping the hydra hatch.[/quote]

    Just watched a special the other day on polar bears. Not only can they swim up to a 100 miles, but they have been observed sleeping while afloat when making long trips.

  167. theOtherdave says:

    [quote comment=”14251″]this is what i think happened…jack cut open the nerve sack thing that he also did in the story he told kate in the first season and she will say it over the radio eventually for all to hear and realize what jack did[/quote]

    Jack cut (with a small incision) a kidney and said if he didn’t repair it within an hour Ben would die. The ‘nerve sack’ was within the story Jack told Kate while she sewed him up from the first season’s premiere. That story was about how he finally conquered his fear. I cannot remember the details of that story but I think it had something to do with counting backwards maybe(?).

    Additionally, I think that Kate will not run as Jack tells her to, because Sawyer had already told her about the second island. To Kate, it may seem futile to run away. Annnd… I think/feel (cuz I can’t remember) that there is still a gun in play by the cages and Danny is in control of it(?). One false move and Sawyer gets shot anyway.

  168. MasterPo says:

    Jack was operating nowhere near the kidneys.

    I think Jack just used the clamp or scalpel to put pressure on a nerve that would cause an irregular heart beat but no real injury. You saw him reach under the back skin a little just before the irregular heart action. The kidneys are much further down the back and to the sides.

  169. theOtherdave says:

    [quote comment=”14325″]Jack was operating nowhere near the kidneys.

    I think Jack just used the clamp or scalpel to put pressure on a nerve that would cause an irregular heart beat but no real injury. You saw him reach under the back skin a little just before the irregular heart action. The kidneys are much further down the back and to the sides.[/quote]

    I could’ve sworn Jack described what he did to Ben before he made his demands. I thought he said ‘kidney’, but it could be another organ or what you have said Po.
    Anyway… just my poor memory trying help.

  170. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”14325″]Jack was operating nowhere near the kidneys.

    I think Jack just used the clamp or scalpel to put pressure on a nerve that would cause an irregular heart beat but no real injury. You saw him reach under the back skin a little just before the irregular heart action. The kidneys are much further down the back and to the sides.[/quote]

    Jack said the tumor was on the L4, just a tip from your Uncle Hammer, but the L4 is the lower back…very close the the kidneys.

  171. MasterPo says:

    Jenny –

    Alex is the French woman’s daughter. They came to the island, according to the French woman, when their research boat hit “the rocks”. Alex was born on the island soon after the ship wreck. And a couple of nights (2 I think she said but don’t quote me on that) after she was born the Others came and took her.

    The statue feet did have a big toe and 3 smaller toes. It was missing one of our normally pressent small toes.

  172. shawdawg says:

    I think they are all on one Island. How else could Goodwin and Ethan get to the losties as fast as they did? Eventhough, Jack, Kate, and Saywer had bags over there heads, I think they would remember a boat ride or walking through a tunnel. The Con that Ben put on Saywer about being on other Island was a good way to break his will, something that the others lke to do. Just my thoughts, any insights on this?

    P.S. I have not fiqured out the four-toed statue yet. Maybe it there to warn vistors that hostiles( not the others) live there.

  173. Michael H says:

    [quote]and then later on when they are walking through the woods and they get to the hatch Charly asks Is that the hatch? What happened? Like he wasnt there or something. Did anyone else notice that?[/quote]

    I missed the Charly quote, but did anyone notice that Locke had to explain to Sayid what the monster was? Sayid’s been there the whole time with them! He should know about it.

    Are some people having amnesia due to the hatch incident at the end of season 2?

  174. S M says:

    I am unhappy about the Kate/Sawyer storyline. Given their past, Kate’s criminal and Sawyer’s con man, and them both being on the lam quite a bit, there is NO WAY they would choose to remain captives of the Others if they had a chance to escape. Cmon writers, we can do better.

  175. Coach P says:

    What was the story Jack told Kate on the beach, that he wants her to repeat for him when she gets to safety? (He said it was after the crash, when she was stiching him up)?

  176. MasterPo says:

    [quote comment=”14421″]I missed the Charly quote, but did anyone notice that Locke had to explain to Sayid what the monster was? Sayid’s been there the whole time with them! He should know about it.[/quote]

    He knows there is “something” out there but he doesn’t know what it is.

    By my count only 2 people have actually seen the monster/thing up close: Locke and Ecko.

    Ecko saw it once before, came face-to-face with it and it backed off. Lock saw it very early in season 1 while boar hunting. He saw it emerge from the tree line, looked up and was in aw of it (which is why many people think/thought it was a dinosaur).

    Boone also may have seen it in his vision when he and his sister are running with something chasing behind them and something picks up his sister by the head. IMO that aspect makes the idea of a giant more plausable, especially now that we’ve seen the huge statue feet. Of course, this was just a vision – or was it? 😉

    Everyone else has heard it and seen the trees shake but no one else has seen it.

    There could be more than one monster/thing on the island.

  177. Fluffy Sunshine says:

    The Kate backstory paralleled the present episode. She wanted to settle down and love one man but was forced to run. In this episode, she tries to love a man but once again is forced to run. She is tired of running. And in both cases, her love cannot be 100% genuine. She knows she’ll have to leave the police officer eventually. Are we sure she really chose Sawyer and is in love with him? He asked her point blank and she didn’t answer, just kissed him. That’s what you do when you don’t love your lover but can’t tell him that directly right then.
    ALso, no one has mentioned the fact that Sawyer knew they were being watched in the act on the monitors but Kate did not. The Others made Sawyer pledge not to tell her they were being monitored and listened to. So EWWW he knew they were watching the sex. DH thought the show “jumped the shark” at this point. I was just kinda creeped out by the public sex (public for Sawyer, not for Kate since she didn’t know). I couldn’t watch.
    I also thought it was Alex who notified Jack on the intercom that the door was open. She seems to know Otherville very well and enjoys causing havoc and disrupting their plans. She is upset that they have the doctor.
    To me, Juliette is the creepiest of all, with this calm zombie-like demenor…like she’s been brainwashed.
    I don’t “like” Charley, per se, but I think he’s great as an annoying, complicated character.
    All in all, this is a great series and I sure hope they don’t screw it up!!!

  178. Michael H says:

    [quote comment=”14432″][quote comment=”14421″]I missed the Charly quote, but did anyone notice that Locke had to explain to Sayid what the monster was? Sayid’s been there the whole time with them! He should know about it.[/quote]

    He knows there is “something” out there but he doesn’t know what it is.

    By my count only 2 people have actually seen the monster/thing up close: Locke and Ecko.

    Ecko saw it once before, came face-to-face with it and it backed off. Lock saw it very early in season 1 while boar hunting. He saw it emerge from the tree line, looked up and was in aw of it (which is why many people think/thought it was a dinosaur).

    Boone also may have seen it in his vision when he and his sister are running with something chasing behind them and something picks up his sister by the head. IMO that aspect makes the idea of a giant more plausable, especially now that we’ve seen the huge statue feet. Of course, this was just a vision – or was it? 😉

    Everyone else has heard it and seen the trees shake but no one else has seen it.

    There could be more than one monster/thing on the island.[/quote]

    The thing that got me thinking about it was that Locke said “The people on the beach call it the monster.” Sayid is one of the people on the beach. Something just seemed really off about the whole exchange between the two. Oh well, guess we’ll find out in Feb….2012!!!

  179. Pam says:

    *theOtherDave asked if Jack said that he cut the kidneys, and I distinctly heard: kidney sac(s). There is so much debate on wheter Jack was operating anywhere near the kidneys, and I am not a spinal surgeon, but I do know where the kidneys are, and someone said that it was mentioned where the tumor is. If we know where it is couldn’t we ask a real life spinal surgeon wheter Jack could reach the kidneys???
    *It makes sense to me that Ben would want to make Sawyer think he is on a seperate island. This “truth” would make Sawyer think escaping is futile, and Ben knows that he would tell Kate, and she would think the same thing. Maybe this seperate island is just a ploy to trick them into staying put as long as possible.
    *I am surprised that Kate let herself fall in love with Kevin in the first place.
    *Will the previews they are showing during daybreak be on the interent? YouTube? Please?
    *Lesley: you said that Kevin looks like Ethan. You disgrace me. Kevin is played by Nathan Fillion, and Ethan is played by a completley different actor. Plus Hurley took a census after the Ethan issue, and compared it with the plane’s manifest, therefore Paulo can not be a plant from the Others’. But! Could there be a way for the Others to somehow spy on the Losties, and convince some of the “background” people to be loyal to them? All while being undetected? It’s very farfetched, and probably was already fetched, but I thought like saying it. And we don’t think that Jack knew about the second island, do we?
    *If Jack Shepard was not on the list does that mean that the Others’ (or Jacob who made the list) not care about Ben’s long, and painful demise? Or maybe they didn’t know that he was a spinal surgeon before he was in their custody. Or maybe Jabob wanted to apporach Jack kindly and ask him for Ben’s surgery instead of capturing him?
    *How many people think that Jin is Sun’s baby’s father? She has cheated on him. Was she preagant before she got on thte plane? What were they doing to Austrailia?
    I have more to say, and little time to do it. I haven’t read all the comments yet, so don’t get mad if I repeated what you said, it was in ignorance, not arrogance. I will be back to comment later.

  180. Pam says:

    *Peggy Miller- I don’t know if anyone else explained this to you, but what you think is an hallucination is a flashback, as far as we know Libby was really at the institution. And Hurley gets bad luck after entering the numbers in the lottery and winning, so I don’t see how he is protected. The writers probably haven’t harmed him to keep him on the show, and also kept him in the action to add humor.
    *MasterPo-FYI some people believe that baptism and the verses John 3:4-5 are not about being a good guy to get into heaven, but about being forgiven. I think this could lead more to Eko’s death and refusal to apologize.

  181. emilie says:

    i have a question. if the others wanted kate pregnant, (and wanted her to willing go through w/ it), then why wasn’t jack supposed to be originally on their little list? if they have been truly spying on our losties, shouldn’t they know that kate has feelings for BOTH jack and sawyer??? if so, y didn’t they put each man in the opposite cage at differnet times, and let her choose. or did they have so much faith that kate would end up choosing sawyer?? but ben said he would have betted on kate and Jack getting together. does this somehow tie in w/ everything???? is their something about sawyer that makes him a better candidate as a father to kate’s child??? or are the other’s plans screwed now that they realize kate doesn’t have the influence on jack they expected her to? i know he would do lots for her, but clearly saving sawyer didn’t seem to be on jacko’s list(which kinda pissed me off, the jealous idiot….she wasn’t even implying she loved sawyer, just that she wanted to save his life. why is that so hard for jack? then again, his flashback shows how possessive he can become)ne ways, did u see howw pissed good old benny got when he realized this? and what was he expecting to accomplish by showing jack kate w/ sawyer??? clearly it wasn’t to get his surgery, he seemed genuinely shocked when jack suddenly said he’sd do it…so was it just out of spite???? ugh!!!! im 14, and i swear my mind is bloody EXHAUSTED to the point of collapsing…i’ve EXHAUSTED all “motivations” theories (and ihappen to be an incredibly slow typer) so yeah….got any feedback????

  182. stretchlimo says:

    Couple of points.

    A) Sawyer’s wound is not gone, it’s still on his chest.

    B) In the season premiere, the others seem very normal in their little community. Book club, fixing the plumbing…etc. As soon as the plane crashes, they jump into action as if they were waiting for this moment. Now all you see them do is work and cannive. It seems that normal life for them has been put on hold.

    C) What’s this “big project” they’re working on that Kate tells Jack about?

    D) What happens in two weeks? Ben tells Kate “these next two weeks are going to be miserable for you”. Right before Kate is bagged and taken to Jack there is a brief exchange between Juliet and Pickett. It is barely audible, but here’s what I deciphered.

    Pickett: Already, I thought it was supposed two weeks?

    Juliet: Our schedule has been moved up.

    Pickett: What is that an order?

    Juliet: Inaudible

    Pickett: That’s stupid.

    Juliet: No, I talked to him today. That’s the way it is.

    Who is the him that she’s referring to? To me it doesn’t sound like it’s Ben. So someone else is in charge.

  183. Fluffy Sunshine says:

    Been thinking more about the “I Do” title. Those who literally or figuratively said “I Do” but were lying:
    1-Kate to policeman at wedding, knowing she was a fugitive
    2-Jack to Ben’s surgery, knowing he was going to do something else with that scapel
    3-Ben to Jack’s wish to leave the island and go home, in that it is doublespeak and he has no intention of giving Jack what he wants
    4-Kate to Sawyer about a real relationship (but I don’t think she loves him)
    The ones who seem genuine:
    1-Sawyer is in love with Kate
    2-Other Man who wants to kill Sawyer as revenge for Colleen
    3-Alex who is trying to disrupt whatever it is the Others are up to…

  184. janco says:

    I love that episode. Sawyer and Kate had a great love scene. But what about that ending? I really wanted to know more.

  185. ninny says:

    [quote comment=”13862″]Jacob is “Him”.
    and as usual,when this turns out to be true
    nobody will remember my genius.[/quote]

    Isn’t Jacob the guy who was dressed in the costumes when they were in the woods? When they had Kate with the bag over her head – I think it was in the beginning of the second season. He would have probably been with the group that Ethan was in.

  186. Peggy Miller says:

    [quote comment=”13964″]A friend is borrowing my season 1 DVDs, but if I’m remembering correctly, Jack told Kate a story about severing a nerve sack (?). The nerves spilled out everywhere, and at first Jack panicked, but then he counted to five, stitched the person up, and everything was fine.

    Can anyone else verify this?

    If that IS the story, then maybe this is exactly what he has done to Ben.[/quote]
    yes that is what happened

  187. Peggy Miller says:

    [quote comment=”14175″]Just one question, something i didn’t understand was who did open all the doors for Jack ? Who was talking on the “broken” intercom ?

    If it was Ben, then why ? To show him Kate and Sawyer as one more try to “break” him ?

    Also the voice looked like female to me, but i wouldn’t see why Juliet would do that. And I would rule out Alex after what she did. And even if it was her, the timing of Ben’s appearence is suspicious.

    So who did that ?[/quote]
    I think it was alex the girl with the sling shot

  188. rb says:

    sorry, i have a question but im not sure if someone has already asked it before. when we are shown the flash backs they are usually relevant so what i want to know is if this is what the characters are remembering at that time. sorry if it seems obvious to everyone else but my b/f was NO help when i asked him. lol

  189. Pam says:

    [quote comment=”14465″]i have a question. if the others wanted kate pregnant, (and wanted her to willing go through w/ it), then why wasn’t jack supposed to be originally on their little list? if they have been truly spying on our losties, shouldn’t they know that kate has feelings for BOTH jack and sawyer??? if so, y didn’t they put each man in the opposite cage at differnet times, and let her choose. or did they have so much faith that kate would end up choosing sawyer?? but ben said he would have betted on kate and Jack getting together. does this somehow tie in w/ everything???? is their something about sawyer that makes him a better candidate as a father to kate’s child??? or are the other’s plans screwed now that they realize kate doesn’t have the influence on jack they expected her to? i know he would do lots for her, but clearly saving sawyer didn’t seem to be on jacko’s list(which kinda pissed me off, the jealous idiot….she wasn’t even implying she loved sawyer, just that she wanted to save his life. why is that so hard for jack? then again, his flashback shows how possessive he can become)ne ways, did u see howw pissed good old benny got when he realized this? and what was he expecting to accomplish by showing jack kate w/ sawyer??? clearly it wasn’t to get his surgery, he seemed genuinely shocked when jack suddenly said he’sd do it…so was it just out of spite???? ugh!!!! im 14, and i swear my mind is bloody EXHAUSTED to the point of collapsing…i’ve EXHAUSTED all “motivations” theories (and ihappen to be an incredibly slow typer) so yeah….got any feedback????[/quote]
    It doesn’t make sense to me to let someone choose who to get pregnant with, that is if you want her to get pregnant as soon as possible. I think that it would be easier to make someone get willingly pregnant by giving her one choice and isolating them together. This will make her feel…closer to the man. This is all based on the assumtion that the Others want Kate pregnant, and they had the plan to get her pregnant before they caputured them, and thought that Jack wasn’t going to come.

  190. Iceman says:

    Please, I have a question-What were Kate and Jack talking about at the end of the last episode “I do”? Because I am from Czech Republic(Europe), and my English isn’t so good… thx a lot

  191. Gaffer says:

    I still think that even though they aren’t in “purgatory”, they are in some kind of “group psychological therapy” together maybe?

    Look at it this way:
    Anna-Lucia = finally comes to terms with her past, and what she did in “the real world/her previous life”…..then gets shot and dies
    Libby = helps and starts to love Hurley, whereas before she was a patient, she’s now really helping other people….then she gets shot and dies
    Ekko = doesn’t “refuse to apologise” as a defiant act in itself, but rather comes to terms with what he’s done and stops flogging himself for it privately, thus says he cannot apologise, because he’s forgiven himself…..promptly gets killed by Smokey
    Shannon = stops being selfish and finally wrestles free from her past by allowing herself to love (and be loved by) Sayid….then gets shot by Anna-Lucia (note, Sayid hasn’t yet come to terms (fully) with his past as a torturer, and is therefore still alive)
    Boone = Finally coming to terms with the fact that he’s been fairly innefectual in his previous life, unable to even “save” his sister from her boyfriends. Now he IS making a real difference to the community he’s in…..then he dies too

    etc etc

    You can see where i’m going with this though.

    Maybe the “island” is happening in reality like the creators have insisted, but is actually kind of like a “group therapy” session.
    When you come to terms with your past and your previous demons/mistakes, you are “released” (aka killed in the “island world”) because your “therapy” has ended.

    Just a thought because this is the only pretty consistent “conveniant” situation the characters find themselves in before they die.

    So I predict that Jack will eventually need to come to terms with his relationships both with his father (and how he treated him) and his failed marraige before he can die

    Kate has to confront the demon of her father and his abuse (this, I think, being the central core / start of her fugitive life [blowing him up]) before she can get popped off.

    Sawyer’s main problem is that as a con artist, he can’t ever love anyone……but now he loves Kate (?first time ever in this situation) and seems to have accepted it.
    So you may think he may well die….
    However, he still hasn’t resolved the issue with the original Sawyer (the con man who conned his parents) so saying this, he may well probably survive into the next part of the season instead.

    Apologies for the long post btw 😀 ……just wanted to hang this out there for ya.

  192. Gaffer says:

    PS…..also, Micheal and Walt didn’t really “get along” initially did they?
    Father and son joining group therapy to resolve their problems maybe?
    Over the course of the 2 seasons, not only does Walt grow to love his dad, but Micheal not only loves Walt…he’s willing to kill for Walt.
    Sounds like a nice healthy “repaired” relationship to me.

    Oh look, they’ve now left the “island”

    ooooooooooooh, how Conveniant

    😀

    Summary: Wanna find out which of the central characters is going to die next?
    Just observe whoever’s come to terms with their past/gained peace internally first…

  193. Gaffer says:

    PPS…..then again, Sawyer letting himself love Kate may be all the “therapy” he needs to heal himself (and you gotta admit, that’s a WHOLE lotta therapy right there 😀 )
    , so he comes to terms with his past and forgives the original sawyer conman that way….

    …..in which case he’s a dead mofo now 🙂

  194. Snodoc says:

    OK….”I do”….this episode has me completely convinced this show is either a “Bobby Ewing” dream or drug-related therapy session since it appears to be playing out in the mind(s) of someone or group of someones withj little or no knowledge of medicine. A place that hasn’t got the right medical facilities to deal with gunshot wounds, even though everyone of the others is wielding guns–yet has the capability of doing spinal surgery without anesthesia, doctors who can tweak a nerve in the back to cause a rapid pulse (baloney!), a “fertility doc” who can willingly assist on spinal surgery’ spinal surgeons twiddling with the kidneys?!…..this all just stinks from a medical perspective. Surely on the most carefully dissected serial television show, involving doctors and surgery someone would hire a medical consultant to make absolutely certain every comment or scene is above reproach—-BUT THIS ISN’T!!! Ergo, it must be in the mind of someone undergoing therapy, delusional, or dreaming. I, for one, had my interest level in this show drop from an 8 to a 1 by this sloppy episode.

  195. banana cake says:

    fo-shizzle! all right! I know all about lost but really… WHO IS JACOB AND WHAT IS HIS LIST? i think he’s eyepatch P ) man but i duuno. really have no idea what this list is. i will marry you if you could please just answer these qs

  196. shawdawg says:

    [quote comment=”14774″]PPS…..then again, Sawyer letting himself love Kate may be all the “therapy” he needs to heal himself (and you gotta admit, that’s a WHOLE lotta therapy right there 😀 )
    , so he comes to terms with his past and forgives the original sawyer conman that way….

    …..in which case he’s a dead mofo now :)[/quote]
    Interesting theory but respectfully disaqree because Locke comes to terms with his faith and I think Saywer will not die.

  197. stretchlimo says:

    Regarding the 305 on Ecko’s stick.

    That happens to be the area code for Miami, which we saw in this episode is where Kate lived with her husband. Probably just a coincidence.

  198. Marco says:

    this is my first post!
    just throwing sometihng out there…why on earth in season 2 did they make all those links with libby giving des the boat, and ending up in the mental hospital with hurley just to kill her off? im a bit confused and maybe this could lead to some sort of twist, but it just seems a bit strange!
    i think that the people who constantly complain about the show shoul keep their opinions to themselves!
    a great episode to keep us hanging til february! i hope that we get more focused on the mysteries of the island such as the black smoke etc.. and hopefully the introduction of a few more hatches will come through in the next part! show us more of the blast door map! and also it would be interesting if locke and des found the place where all those notebooks ended up!
    i think that somehow jack will be convinced to stay with juliet and ben, and slowly become incorporated into their secrets, thus allowing us to find out about the others and the potential other others! (the kids who walk around bare foot)
    just watching the final episode again and it dawned upon me that maybe ben brought jack to the hydra just for his own personal use! the fact pickett says he wasnt even on jacobs list suggests that ben wanted jack just so he could do surgery on him!
    whatever happened to miss clugh, (the woman who talked to michael and walt at the end of season 2) there doesnt seem to be many others, as we only see a couple of them like pickett, mr friendly and juliet!

  199. KillerR says:

    [quote comment=”15167″]this is my first post!
    just throwing sometihng out there…why on earth in season 2 did they make all those links with libby giving des the boat, and ending up in the mental hospital with hurley just to kill her off? im a bit confused and maybe this could lead to some sort of twist, but it just seems a bit strange!
    i think that the people who constantly complain about the show shoul keep their opinions to themselves!
    a great episode to keep us hanging til february! i hope that we get more focused on the mysteries of the island such as the black smoke etc.. and hopefully the introduction of a few more hatches will come through in the next part! show us more of the blast door map! and also it would be interesting if locke and des found the place where all those notebooks ended up!
    i think that somehow jack will be convinced to stay with juliet and ben, and slowly become incorporated into their secrets, thus allowing us to find out about the others and the potential other others! (the kids who walk around bare foot)
    right let me know your thoughts on these points![/quote]

    Cynthia Watros (Libby) is supposed to be back on lost in flashbacks and stuff. Atleast thats what was eluded to in the season 2 behind the scenes stuff on the dvd.
    As far as finding out more about the “Other others” and smokey remains to be seen. The producers have made several statements that this season is to be more focused on the relationships between the characters. My feeling is that these writers and producers will grow tired of all this love stuff and retreat back to the mystery and history of the island which is supposed to be explored more in act 2 this winter and spring.
    I hope the blast door map stuff will be recalled by either Locke or Desmond at some point. Maybe the sweat lodge will come into play again. It seems like they will need it to find the Flame and other stations. Surely that whole thing was all for nothing.

  200. katie says:

    You know that the notebooks that you are talking about don’t end up anywhere. In season 2, in the end episodes, Lock, Michael, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, and Jack found the stack of notebooks on thier way to the other side of the island. Kemember?

  201. Maria says:

    I have invested some time, effort, and support in watching LOST since the first episode. It’s just MHO, but I think it should be ok for people to vent in a small way about how the show does seem to be losing viewers. I no longer watch the show, but do read this site and a few others just to keep up. I got “lost” watching, LOST about mid-way through season 2 and then really lost when the web adventure started. I figure I’m just not smart enough to understand what’s going on anymore and the show is way over my head. However, I have grown to “love” many of the characters and don”t want to lose touch with what’s going on with them. And yes, I know it’s just a TV show, I have written the network, and thanks for providing such a nice site!

  202. LostinLost says:

    [quote comment=”14195″]I did a little snooping around wikipedia regarding Jacob and of course the name has biblical connections.

    Jacob had a vision of a ladder to heaven which he climbed and heard God’s voice,
    Jacob’s wife Rachel was barren,
    Jacob wrestled all night with a being – Angel/God (depending on the source of interpretation) and the being could not win,
    Jacob had 12 sons and one was named Benjamin

    Don’t you love it?[/quote]

    YES i deffinatly love it! And I don’t know if anyone else got the same idea, but when you wrote “Jacob was a twin and very studious (he was the opposite of his brother),” i was thinking of the book “The Bad Twin” uuhm..WHAT? Could Jacob (“Him”) have a bad twin, which is “Patchy”? Because as far as I can see, Jacob and Patchy looks pretty much the same!

    Just some thoughts 🙂 Give me your opinions on this plz..and sorry if i mixed anything up..I’m new here, but been following lost since it started..LOVE IT! 😀

  203. LostinLost says:

    [quote comment=”15360″][quote comment=”14195″]I did a little snooping around wikipedia regarding Jacob and of course the name has biblical connections.

    Jacob was a twin and very studious (he was the opposite of his brother)

    Jacob had a vision of a ladder to heaven which he climbed and heard God’s voice,
    Jacob’s wife Rachel was barren,
    Jacob wrestled all night with a being – Angel/God (depending on the source of interpretation) and the being could not win,
    Jacob had 12 sons and one was named Benjamin

    Don’t you love it?[/quote]

    YES i deffinatly love it! And I don’t know if anyone else got the same idea, but when you wrote “Jacob was a twin and very studious (he was the opposite of his brother),” i was thinking of the book “The Bad Twin” uuhm..WHAT? Could Jacob (“Him”) have a bad twin, which is “Patchy”? Because as far as I can see, Jacob and Patchy looks pretty much the same!

    Just some thoughts 🙂 Give me your opinions on this plz..and sorry if i mixed anything up..I’m new here, but been following lost since it started..LOVE IT! :D[/quote]

    Oh and BTW..forgot to mention that Patchy and Jacob looks the same, but are totally different personality..Jacob is business-man like and Patchy is Dirty-Pirate like, which also fits with the “Jacob was a twin and very studious (he was the opposite of his brother),” ..it seems like the book “The Bad Twin” is like some kind of clue..or what? 🙂

  204. Hammer says:

    What am I missing. When did we see Jacob?

  205. KillerR says:

    [quote comment=”15269″]You know that the notebooks that you are talking about don’t end up anywhere. In season 2, in the end episodes, Lock, Michael, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, and Jack found the stack of notebooks on thier way to the other side of the island. Kemember?[/quote]

    Well, Locke wasn’t there, but your right; Jack and company did find them just before getting shocked and parilized on the ground. But once Locke does find them i think he’s going to have another nervous breakdown.

  206. LostinLost says:

    [quote comment=”15367″]What am I missing. When did we see Jacob?[/quote]
    I have seen a pic of him on a link someone wrote above.. http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob_Vanderfield and other ppl in here also says that he looks like the patchy guy in the hatch

    What do u think? 🙂

  207. LostinLost says:

    [quote comment=”15376″][quote comment=”15367″]What am I missing. When did we see Jacob?[/quote]
    I have seen a pic of him on a link someone wrote above.. http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob_Vanderfield and other ppl in here also says that he looks like the patchy guy in the hatch

    What do u think? :)[/quote]

    On the page (where the link goes) they have a theory that “Patchy” is Jacob Vanderfield, since they look exactly like each other..but theres also some other theories in there abt jacob, and ive just seen now, that they also mentioned the bad twin there, but i didnt see it before now, so i thought before i was being original 😛 bummer!

  208. KillerR says:

    They do look similar, but that Jacob (that works for Hanso Foundation)may not be the same Jacob (that Pickett is refering to). It would be a great opportunity to connect Hanso Foundation and Dharma on the show finally, so ya’ll may have found something there Lostin. I had never come across that article on Lostpedia.

    It looks like Jacob Vanderfield has about a ton of pancake makeup on possibly to make him look a little different. Great find.

  209. LostinLost says:

    [quote comment=”15386″]They do look similar, but that Jacob (that works for Hanso Foundation)may not be the same Jacob (that Pickett is refering to). It would be a great opportunity to connect Hanso Foundation and Dharma on the show finally, so ya’ll may have found something there Lostin. I had never come across that article on Lostpedia.

    It looks like Jacob Vanderfield has about a ton of pancake makeup on possibly to make him look a little different. Great find.[/quote]

    Yea the page “Lostpedia” gives some examples what other “Jacob’s” it can be, like it’s Goodwins first name, but they have never spoke of Goodwin as Jacob, they have only talked about him as Goodwin (And isn’t Goodwin dead?)…To me it seem like Jacob Vanderfield is the perfect one to be “Him” 🙂 And you never know…he might just have a Bad Twin in a hatch somewhere…

    I never saw that page “Lostpedia” before either, so I’m gonna have a closer look now

  210. Ally says:

    what was the story that Jack told Kate the day they crashed?

  211. Marco says:

    [quote comment=”15269″]You know that the notebooks that you are talking about don’t end up anywhere. In season 2, in the end episodes, Lock, Michael, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer, and Jack found the stack of notebooks on thier way to the other side of the island. Kemember?[/quote]
    yeah i know! but wouldnt it be good if locke found that same place that jack/sawyer/kate/hurley found at the end of season 2?!

  212. kj WROTE:

    “And I’m also super curious about Alex. She’s gotta be important to them somehow or they probably would’ve just gotten rid of her by now. Did Benry raise her after she was taken from Rousseau? *Was* she actually taken from Rousseau, or is Rousseau just crazy? (Honestly, it could go either way.) She’s gotta be important somehow…”

    I wonder if the “others” haven’t been paired up for breeding purposes and don’t neccesarily like the people they have been paired to. Remember when the “other” Danny tried to kiss the girl and she brushed him off before her death mission? He cared for her but, not visa versa. Maybe that girl, alex, is promised to someone that she doesn’t like and she rebelled and formed a relationship with the boy she is looking for? Maybe thats why they are seperating them. maybe ben and alex’s mom were paired together and ben is her father. that would explain why he asked about her asking about him? Or maybe he is paired to her for mating purposes and she cant stand him.

    Hmmmm……

  213. samsandrasan says:

    Now that we’ve had our six episodes, I went back and re-watched the first one of this season on ABC.com. I noticed some things and I was wondering what you all thought about them. I think they are relevant to what everyone has been surmising on this thread.

    First, when both Jack and Kate woke up, the first thing they did was look at their arm and pull off the band-aid covering a needle puncture. Kate’s looked especially bad so I am thinking this was an IV and not just a injection. Sawyer never looked at his arm and pulled anything off. Yes, I know he had on a long sleeve shirt. However, coupled with the fact that he was the only one outside, I’m thinking they did something to Kate and Jack that they did not do to Sawyer.

    Second, the prison flashback would be a whole lot more relevant if it were an indication that Sawyer may be up to the same thing here. I just think some of Denny’s rages against him seem almost staged. Why has he singled Sawyer out? There is no reason.

    Third and last; why were Kate’s wrists so raw from the handcuffs? She put them on at breakfast and all we saw was her being walked back to the cages. I don’t think eating breakfast and walking back would cause so much damage. What did they do to her in the interim to make her struggle against the cuffs?

  214. Iceman says:

    Please, I have a question-What were Kate and Jack talking about at the end of the last episode “I do”? Because I am from Czech Republic(Europe), and my English isn’t so good… thx a lot

  215. samsandrasan says:

    You can watch it again at ABC.com

    I don’t have it word for word but he first tells her she should have about an hour headstart before they come after her. She asks where he is. He says remember the day of the crash – remember the story I told you when you were stitching me up? K says Yes. J says when she gets to a safe place to radio him and tell him that story; if he doesn’t hear from her in an hour he will let Ben die.

    Kate says “I can’t leave without you!”
    Jack says “GO!”
    K: “I CAN’T!”
    J: “Go NOW!”
    K: “Jack I CAN’T!”
    J: “Kate dammit RUN!”

    There are some who think that they did something to Jack and Kate that makes it dangerous for them to be separated.

  216. KillerR says:

    I just noticed that the purple shirt and black pants that juliet wears in the video she does for jack looks like the same one she wears in a tale of two cities. On purpose or accident?

  217. lostfan4815162342 says:

    I missed the whole season 3!I just got done with season 2! Can someone tell me what happened……..Pleeeeeeeeeze…….

  218. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”16215″]I missed the whole season 3!I just got done with season 2! Can someone tell me what happened……..Pleeeeeeeeeze…….[/quote]

    If you really want to know, check out Lostpedia’s episode guide.

  219. KillerR says:

    [quote comment=”16215″]I missed the whole season 3!I just got done with season 2! Can someone tell me what happened……..Pleeeeeeeeeze…….[/quote]
    Or you can watch the episodes on abc’s site and on youtube.

  220. shawdawg says:

    Happy thanksgivivg to all of the “Losties” out there

  221. kaos says:

    1.i got this for Ekos praying stick:

    john 3:05 as in Ekos stick..
    Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

    2.Jeremiah 13:20 also in ekos praying stick

    Lift up your eyes and see
    those who are coming from the north.
    Where is the flock that was entrusted to you,
    the sheep of which you boasted?

    3.i believe the smoke monster is just a bunch of nanobots that work together and can join to reflect a human shape.

    4 whatever happened to the cable Sahid found going in the water?

  222. kaos says:

    just one last comment…
    I always thought it would be quite cool if two tv series start in diffent places and at the end they all meet up. wouldnt this be cool.
    Actually thought that LOST and the 4400 could have this idea.

    some discuss that LOST & HEROES are very similar. Unfortunately they dont air Heroes in Europe yet.

  223. Destroyer Of Worlds says:

    There is one thing that I’m finding very strange with this whole Ben tumor saga…

    My reasoning behind it:

    1 – The island allowed Locke to walk again
    2 – The island cured Rose’s cancer
    And finally
    3 – The island has done nothing about Ben’s tumor

    I think something fishy is going on. Is this whole ‘tumor thing’ a super plan devised by one of the others to kill Ben or has he really got a tumor and the island has chosen not to help him?

    Thoughts?

  224. Andreas says:

    It’s an interesting thought.

    We don’t know for sure that Rose ever had cancer though, and Locke’s legs could have been a mental thing.

    If we look at it from the perspective that the island does have healing abilities, then a lot of hurt characters have died. Maybe only the “good ones” are healed by the island?

  225. Destroyer Of Worlds says:

    [quote comment=”34038″]It’s an interesting thought.

    We don’t know for sure that Rose ever had cancer though, and Locke’s legs could have been a mental thing.

    If we look at it from the perspective that the island does have healing abilities, then a lot of hurt characters have died. Maybe only the “good ones” are healed by the island?[/quote]

    Yeah fair enough point. I guess I shouldn’t assume anything when it comes to Lost.

    So if thats the case Ben really isn’t one of the “good guys”

    But who knows how it will pan out, I just enjoy throwing out as many theories as possible so if one actaully comes true I can claim I picked it.

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