Lift up your eyes and look north

As advertised by ABC, John Locke found a secret message in last night’s Lost episode “I Do”. The message he found was “Lift up your eyes and look north, John 3:05” written by Mr.Eko on his stick.

Mr.Eko's stick with scripture

What does this secret message mean? Let’s take a look.

The obvious explanation would probably be to check John 3:05 in the Bible:

“I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit”

That doesn’t really connect to “Lift up your eyes…” does it? The only thing I can make of it is that “water” might be a hint to where the Hydra station is. The quote seems more similar to Genesis 13:14:

The LORD said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, “Lift up your eyes from where you are and look north and south, east and west”

None of the passages from the Bible seems to explain Mr.Eko’s cryptic message so here is my theory:

The message is actually directed directly to Locke and should be interpreted like this – “John Locke, lift up your eyes and look north”. If John is supposed to look north, that is probably where he will find Jack, Kate and Sawyer. 3:05 is probably a compass bearing or some form of coordinates, but it could just as well have no importance.

It is interesting to note that Michael and Walt were told to go towards bearing 325 where they would find help. Is bearing 305 where Jack, Kate and Sawyer are being kept?

I would also believe that the message could be to look north on the blast door map, but to my knowledge, we don’t know where north is on the blast door map. The question is if it’s possible to know where north is on the island at all. In season one Sayid got rid of his compass because it didn’t work on the island due to the magnetic disturbance. With the electromagnetic anomaly possibly being destroyed though, maybe compasses are working again…

How do you interpret the cryptic message on Eko’s stick?

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  1. MasterPo says:

    3:05 could also refer to the time of day. Maybe something is only visible at that precise moment? Not unheard of in mysteries – the way light or shadow plays to reveal something, etc.

  2. shawdawg says:

    [quote comment=”14022″]3:05 could also refer to the time of day. Maybe something is only visible at that precise moment? Not unheard of in mysteries – the way light or shadow plays to reveal something, etc.[/quote]
    It amazes me how people think of this things. Not to knock on your post.

  3. VidGamer123 says:

    I want to offer conjecture and say that perhaps the John 3:05 isn’t really part of the clue Locke gets. I believe it’s only “Lift up you eyes and look north,” period.

    I think that John 3:05 was for Eko’s benefit only (and possibly Aaron’s, since he was baptized).

  4. MasterPo says:

    Vid – Thought about that too. Could very well be a Red Herring.

  5. BMG says:

    look closely at the stick. just to the left of “lift up your eyes and look north” Eko carved “Gen 13:14”, which is the scripture from where this quote is contained. John 3:05 is most likely not a part of the clue.

    there are lots of scribbles on the stick, only the “look north” phrase is in the dead center (and presumably precisely what locke was looking at). john 3:05 is no more or less conspicious than any of the other words on the stick.

  6. Pastor2churches says:

    Good discussion.

    I did a complete list of what appears on the stick for the episode, “Further instructions”, on October 21st. Here is a copy of what I said then…
    “But there is also the writing on Eko’s stick. Here is what I think is written there: Near the top left is (I think) “Hab. 1.3″ If that is what it says this would be Habakkuk 1.3 which reads “Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds.”

    In the top left is also a partial quote from (also scratched in) Gen. 13.14 “Lift up your eyes and look north…”

    In the upper right is “John 3:05″ which is very strange because you would never see a Bible passage so referenced. It would normally be “John 3:5″ Why 3:05??

    Also on the right side, but upside down is “Acts 4.12″. This one is very interesting since it meshes with what John later asks Eko after he has “saved” him from the Polar Bear cave. Acts 4.12 is “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” This, of course refers to Jesus Christ – but does John apply it to himself? Is this why he laments to Eko that he “could have saved them” to which Eko replies, “…you still can save them” ???

    Nearer to the bottom and I the left is “Rom. 6.12″ which is “Therefore, do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies so that you obey its evil desires.”

    Of course, at the very bottom of the scratched on section are some of “the numbers”, 4:8:15

  7. Austin says:

    Not that I have much support for this, but it would be an interesting twist. Eko situation has been fixed so now Locke can help the captive Losties with the help of the “new” Losties. How are they going to do that? By finding a way over to the island. How? Remember that discussion we had on the submarine/subterranean tunnel/sub-whatever method of getting between islands (I’m thinking tunnel)? Well, maybe a way it stays hidden is that it opens (surfaces) at specific times of the day. Going back to the quote, it may instruct john as to what he is to do next. go north, I’m guessing to the north end of the island or a northern hatch, or even to the already discovered hatch (eko has been around that hatch before) at the designated time of 3:05 (I’m not sure how eko would know the time, but I’m sure that there is some sort of way he could find the time. This provides the method that the Losties can get to Hydra and get all the Losties back.

    What also makes this interesting is if the Losties do discover this, the others have no other (another guess) covert means of getting to the “original” island. Does this force cooperation between the two groups, sharing access to each island? Or does this make the job of manning the button into manning the entrance that the enemy can at any time come from? Anyone else thinking Cold War?

    Anyways, I think this theory makes sense because it has the twists that Lost is known for, creates a perfect amount of tension and leads perfectly into what the next part of the mini-series I’m supposing is about which is the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate. Whaddyea think?

  8. MasterPo says:

    There is a radio tower somewhere on the main island that we haven’t seen yet. The French woman said she modified the signal to be a distress call before it was taken over by the Others (who apparently didn’t care and let the signal keep running for 20 or so years).

  9. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”14054″]Not that I have much support for this, but it would be an interesting twist. Eko situation has been fixed so now Locke can help the captive Losties with the help of the “new” Losties. How are they going to do that? By finding a way over to the island. How? Remember that discussion we had on the submarine/subterranean tunnel/sub-whatever method of getting between islands (I’m thinking tunnel)? Well, maybe a way it stays hidden is that it opens (surfaces) at specific times of the day. Going back to the quote, it may instruct john as to what he is to do next. go north, I’m guessing to the north end of the island or a northern hatch, or even to the already discovered hatch (eko has been around that hatch before) at the designated time of 3:05 (I’m not sure how eko would know the time, but I’m sure that there is some sort of way he could find the time. This provides the method that the Losties can get to Hydra and get all the Losties back.

    What also makes this interesting is if the Losties do discover this, the others have no other (another guess) covert means of getting to the “original” island. Does this force cooperation between the two groups, sharing access to each island? Or does this make the job of manning the button into manning the entrance that the enemy can at any time come from? Anyone else thinking Cold War?[/quote]

    I think that the possibility that Ecko was already there is unlikely. I think, like other aspects of Ecko’s character, that is before his sad and untimely demise, him “knowing” that this tunnel place is due north is more of a hunch/spiritual recognition/ island telling him sort of thing. He and Locke seemed to be the most sensitive to the grumblings of the island (or whatever is controlling all the crazy things happening) so it makes sense to me that he might “just know”, OR it could be that it’s on there for a completely unrelated reason and Locke, being the determinist that he is takes the reading of that “message” to mean something that it in fact is not…Just a thought.

    Side note and I hope this doesn’t count as complaining, but what was up with Kate’s hair in the flashbacks?! Yuck!

  10. KC says:

    I agree with BMG — the 3:05 is written at a different angle and does not appear to be part of the quote. I’m also curious about how Eko came up with these Bible verses… it doesn’t seem like he was regularly reading the it, so why is it he could recall these passages to put on the Jesus stick?

    Also, to the statement that they don’t know which way is north because of the broken compass… couldn’t they tell direction by noting where the sun rises/sets?

  11. Andreas says:

    I’m not sure how Eko could have gotten the message, but I suppose he could have gotten it in a vision, just like Locke had a vision of the Nigerian plane crashing.

  12. NG says:

    We know nothing of the location of the holding cell in which Jack is being kept, which houses the OR, etc.

    That area flooded when Jack opened a particular door-thinking he would exit.

    All these signs tell me that the holding area is either the underwater tunnel between islands (likely) or a sumbmarine-like craft (less likely).

    Thoughts?

  13. Giligan says:

    That was my take on the stick. It was if the message was a directive addressed with a salutation “John”.

    Perhaps there is more to it than that with a compass reading …etc. But I think the obvious importance of John looking to the North is now what I have to stew over until how long? February! omg that is so far away!

    ..BTW I absolutely loved the cinematic duplicity of having Kate be told that putting that bag over her head was to save a man, Sawyer, and then it cuts to the backstory to her putting on a wedding headdress. This married man realizes the histerical satire in this.

  14. Julie says:

    [quote comment=”14054″]Not that I have much support for this, but it would be an interesting twist. Eko situation has been fixed so now Locke can help the captive Losties with the help of the “new” Losties. How are they going to do that? By finding a way over to the island. How? Remember that discussion we had on the submarine/subterranean tunnel/sub-whatever method of getting between islands (I’m thinking tunnel)? Well, maybe a way it stays hidden is that it opens (surfaces) at specific times of the day. Going back to the quote, it may instruct john as to what he is to do next. go north, I’m guessing to the north end of the island or a northern hatch, or even to the already discovered hatch (eko has been around that hatch before) at the designated time of 3:05 (I’m not sure how eko would know the time, but I’m sure that there is some sort of way he could find the time. This provides the method that the Losties can get to Hydra and get all the Losties back.

    What also makes this interesting is if the Losties do discover this, the others have no other (another guess) covert means of getting to the “original” island. Does this force cooperation between the two groups, sharing access to each island? Or does this make the job of manning the button into manning the entrance that the enemy can at any time come from? Anyone else thinking Cold War?

    Anyways, I think this theory makes sense because it has the twists that Lost is known for, creates a perfect amount of tension and leads perfectly into what the next part of the mini-series I’m supposing is about which is the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate. Whaddyea think?[/quote]

    I like this.
    It could basically be saying (as Eko saying) “Go north.. JOHN..be there at 3:05”
    I really like this.

  15. MissyGallant says:

    I’m new here. But I have my own little theory that sort of combines two of the above. “Lift up your eyes and look North.” I think that means to look North- above ground level.

    I think the John 3:05 has a meaning too. ““I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit”. I think it’s a message to John. He needs to keep his faith and hope. But also- if- IF- Sawyer, Jack and Kate really are on another island, then the Losties are going to have to go through water to get to them. And this is a way of letting Locke know that.

  16. Moses says:

    A possible correlation to the meaning of 3:05

    End of season 2 I believe; after the detection of an electromagnetic anomaly by the two Portuguese-speaking men at the Listening Station, Penny Widwore is notified by telephone at 3:05, her local time, that they ‘found it.’

  17. KillerR says:

    It kind of reminded me of what Desmond said to Jack when they were doing stadiums back in “Man of Science, Man of Faith.” “You have to lift it up.” I went back and watched the episode (episode 2:01) and he clearly wasn’t just talking about Jack’s ankle. Maybe Des needs to pay the ol’ sweat lodge a visit and share some of these visions with us.

  18. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”14087″]A possible correlation to the meaning of 3:05

    End of season 2 I believe; after the detection of an electromagnetic anomaly by the two Portuguese-speaking men at the Listening Station, Penny Widwore is notified by telephone at 3:05, her local time, that they ‘found it.'[/quote]

    That’s pretty interesting. I don’t see how it connects to “Lift up your eyes and look north” but it’s a nice observation.

    The best interpretation so far in my opinion has been that “lift up your eyes and look north” means climb as high as you can and look north.

  19. Alex says:

    hmmm. Could it be a reference to the previous episode? 3:05-season three, episode 5…

    “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit”

    The first thing I thought when I read spirit was smoke monster.

  20. Kelly says:

    “Lift up your eyes and look north” means one thing and one thing only…..

    LOOK UP AND LOOK NORTH FOR THE NEXT SIGN OR DIRECTION ~ NOTHING MORE.

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  22. Kane says:

    In the post it said something like ‘how could you know North because of the magnetic anomaly’… You still have the Sun…

    Also… I think the 3:05 is definitely part of the clue because of the simple fact of someone would never right 3:05 but just 3:5 for a Bible verse.

  23. Chris VH says:

    Just a continuation on the “look north” quote. Is it possible that if John looks north at 3:05 he might see the other island that Jack et al are on? Perhaps there is some sort of device that makes the islands unseen to the outside world and to each other (why has nobody noticed the other island?) Maybe at 3:05 (for whatever reason) there is a way to see the other island. Does anybody remember any refernce to time when Ben shows Sawyer their island. I know they marched all morning. Was that just a stall tatic to get him there at 3:05? Wouldn’t it be cool if Kate and Sawyer escape and all of a sudden their island is invisable? Maybe this 3:05 gap also explains why the scientests picked up Desmond on the radar after all those years.

  24. Chris VH says:

    I’ve only been checking this site for a short time but has anyone brough up the fact that John Locke was a 17th century philosopher and that David Hume (Desmond’s last name) was also a prominent Scottish philosopher in the early 18th century? The reason I bring it up is that both men were considered empiricists which is basicly the belief that all knowledge comes from experience and not intuition or revelation. In Lost however, both these characters have been “fooled” by their experiences and are now very reliant on intuation and feelings. Locke with his sweat lodge and Desmond with his new found abiltiy to see the near future. Is this all a mad coincidense or is there some philosophy major on the writing staff trying to make a point? I keep listenting for other philosopher names but so far the only loose connection is to Rousseau who in real life (Jean-Jacques, a man) philosophised that mankind was by nature good but became corrupted by society. He talked about humans living in as “noble savages” prior to civilization. Is this in reference to Lost’s Rousseau’s life the last 16+ years? What are the writers trying to say?

  25. Lesley says:

    Great theories. I agree the 3:05 probably refers to time. It appears compass points begin at 0.00 degrees (north) and leap quickly to double digits, using a point designation rather than a colon to separate the last two digits. That said 3.05 would be very close to directly north. I like the idea that John is being directed to lift his eyes up by climbing as high as he can. If he gets high enough he may be able to see the other island, or even something else to the north. I am not sure of 3:05 but that would be in the morning versus the afternoon(15:05). Maybe Lostcatraz has lights that can be seen in the middle of the night. Didn’t Michael go north when he originally set out looking for Walt?

  26. May not be related, and it may just be adding fuel to an already dead fire, but to the left of the message is the beginning sequence of those famous numbers: 4, 8, 15 …

  27. LostDamery says:

    This is simple, it is just a message created by the words “Lift up your eyes and look North, John” that is the direction Locke must travel to find the compound where Ben was living. As far as electro interference and finding North, you only need to see where the sun rises and sets in one day to know which direction is North.

    Unless the island is moving and is actually the Sub? Infact the Alcatraz island is the one that is stationary and so that is why after they said the sub is here they took Sawyer to see it “Docked” just off the real island. This is also why Penelope could not find Desmond, Not because of a protective field of magnetism but because it is a movable island…sub.
    The cable that Sayid found is used for power when it is docked.
    Come on guys didn’t we know this from episode one?

  28. whise says:

    on the stick at the left of “lift up your eyes and look north” says Gen 13:14
    on the bible on gen 13:14 says
    “Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are”
    the look north john 3:05 is just part of the clue

  29. MasterPo says:

    While all possible, that’s also the problem with referring to Bible quotes – they can be interpreted many ways, which is probably what makes them ideal for this kind of show! 🙂

  30. MasterPo says:

    If the message is for Locke to go North and climb to the highest point on the island, maybe the writers are borrowing a reference to the original Star Trek series?

    In the episode “For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky” (season 3) the old man tells Kirk he climbed the mountains when he was young even though it was forbidden. He then declares things are not as they have been taught, makes the statement above which is also the title of the episode and dies. Spock analyzes the man’s comments and determines the reason the mountains are forbidden is because at the top you would see the sky is a really a dome and the world is an artificial environment.

    Maybe if Lock does reach the top of the mountain/highest point on the island he too will be close enough to see the artificiality of their location?

    Just a thought.

  31. Floorcookie says:

    [quote comment=”14087″] A possible correlation to the meaning of 3:05

    End of season 2 I believe; after the detection of an electromagnetic anomaly by the two Portuguese-speaking men at the Listening Station, Penny Widwore is notified by telephone at 3:05, her local time, that they ‘found it.'[/quote]

    This is really interesting. I hadn’t noticed that either. Does anyone have a screen shot or pop in the DVD to verify the time on the clock. If Moses is right it could be really significant. Also, in the that scene take a VERY close look around the control room where the Portugese guys are and also Penelope’s room. What if somehow Eko’s stick makes it in that scene?

    Here’s the “out there” theory of the day. We know that Desmond is seeing things in the future and that he basically got his time-bearings all messed up. Maybe he can see the past as well. What if somehow he could take the Jesus Stick (or at least the message that was on it) and somehow end up in that scene in the past and relay that message to Penny and/or Brazilian/Portugese scientists? or what if John somehow can? He went through the same blast as Desmond. What if the message is not specifically for John but rather for John to relay…?

    So take a double look at that scene and see if there is any clue there that maybe we missed at the time because we weren’t looking for any sort of 3:05-look north kind of clues.

    — Floorcookie

  32. Al says:

    What about “north” meaning “north Pole”? ( remember Walt’s comic book with the pictures of the north pole and the polar bears? remember the REAL polar bears on the island? remember the portugese scientists searching for a magnetic anomaly somewhere around the Poles?)
    And now another reference with north… so,
    a crazy idea: is it possible that the island is an AIRPORT (gateway) (remember Locke’s dream at the airport… and the airport is a symbol of traveling through space) between the Pacific Ocean and the North Pole?!
    This explains the magnetic anomaly (I hope),
    the place’s speciality (according to my theory, it’s a wormwhole)… I think the bears got on the because they somehow entered the wormwhole from the North Pole… The Plane flew near this specific place (entrance) and was sucked in too… Desmond and his boat… hmm… maybe he was also lucky to find the exact location… Russeau and her team… the same. The coordinates the Others gave to Michael… maybe the coordinates of the exit. What do you think? (sry for my english)

  33. theOtherdave says:

    [quote comment=”14278″]This is simple, it is just a message created by the words “Lift up your eyes and look North, John” that is the direction Locke must travel to find the compound where Ben was living. As far as electro interference and finding North, you only need to see where the sun rises and sets in one day to know which direction is North.

    Unless the island is moving and is actually the Sub? Infact the Alcatraz island is the one that is stationary and so that is why after they said the sub is here they took Sawyer to see it “Docked” just off the real island. This is also why Penelope could not find Desmond, Not because of a protective field of magnetism but because it is a movable island…sub.
    The cable that Sayid found is used for power when it is docked.
    Come on guys didn’t we know this from episode one?[/quote]

    One of the many mysteries from the first season is the cable Sayid found. Although I don’t think it is a power cable. If I’m not mistaken Sayid actually touch it to see that it went into the jungle. If it had been “hot” he would be dead.

  34. carebare says:

    i think (or agree, if someone has said it) that 3:05 does refer to the time. maybe Locke has to travel north to see the island, but at 3:05, the tide may be low, revealing a tunnel. a tunnel would certainly explain why no one realized they changed islands (you know when you’re on a boat or submarine). it would also be a reason for that random door where jack is being held that has water behind it… perhaps during low tide, one can travel freely between islands using the tunnel with one entrance (on the lostie island) below sea level and the other where jack is being held.

  35. Son of Adam says:

    Deutoronomy 3:27 “Go up to the top of Pisgah and lift up your eyes westward and northward and southward and eastward, and look at it with your eyes, for you shall not go over this Jordan”

    When Moses got there he was told he was able to see the promised land and told he would not be able to go. He was told that Joshua would lead the people there.

    So is Echo the equivalent of Moses, and John is Joshua? If so, does that make Alcatraz the promised land?

  36. emilie says:

    i think it is so cool how the verse adresses John(aka.locke) i have one question about the last episode though.when jack sees kate &sawyer together, does he later decide he wants them BOTH off the island, or just her??? he was adressing kate, and didn’t even mention sawyer. does trhat mean he isn’t part of the bargain and jack wants him dead because he “stole” kate from him???(peersonally, i think jack has been a real idiot in the last half season.

  37. cruton says:

    I have a feeling that the alcatraz island we refer to is in fact an island but not the one that anyone is on. Ben simply took sawyer to the top and told him what he did to confuse sawyer and then eventually kate and jack because sawyer would pass the information on. the phrase on ecko’s stick is very surprising but detailed too. This should lead John to the others. too bad we have to wait soooo long!!!

  38. Lesley says:

    [quote comment=”14441″]

    One of the many mysteries from the first season is the cable Sayid found. Although I don’t think it is a power cable. If I’m not mistaken Sayid actually touch it to see that it went into the jungle. If it had been “hot” he would be dead.[/quote]

    If the “sub” the Others spoke of refers to a submersible then it would always remain under the water and use cable(s) to run between the two islands. The entrance to the sub is probably behind one of the doors in the Hydra station.

  39. Too obsessed says:

    I am new to this site, but have been reading the comments during this mini-session. I think the whole sub thing is interesting, but didn’t our first look at Jack, Kate, and Sawyer this season all show them “waking up” in their various holding cells? Wouldn’t this imply that they were either knocked out or drugged? Therefore couldn’t they have been brought over water by boat, tunnel, whatever and they wouldn’t have known it??

  40. petey says:

    [quote comment=”14431″]What about “north” meaning “north Pole”? ( remember Walt’s comic book with the pictures of the north pole and the polar bears? remember the REAL polar bears on the island? remember the portugese scientists searching for a magnetic anomaly somewhere around the Poles?)
    And now another reference with north… so,
    a crazy idea: is it possible that the island is an AIRPORT (gateway) (remember Locke’s dream at the airport… and the airport is a symbol of traveling through space) between the Pacific Ocean and the North Pole?!
    This explains the magnetic anomaly (I hope),
    the place’s speciality (according to my theory, it’s a wormwhole)… I think the bears got on the because they somehow entered the wormwhole from the North Pole… The Plane flew near this specific place (entrance) and was sucked in too… Desmond and his boat… hmm… maybe he was also lucky to find the exact location… Russeau and her team… the same. The coordinates the Others gave to Michael… maybe the coordinates of the exit. What do you think? (sry for my english)[/quote]

    Did any body think that maybe the island is the North pole and in the very center would be the absolute North? and thats where he would have to go. as for the 3:05 time is the only thing i cant think of. Also u made a point about the air port and remember when john didnt have his wheel chair and had to get to the top of the escalator? that could mean he has to get to the top of a mountain on the absolute north pole.

  41. Cathy says:

    Just stopped by to see what people are thinking.
    A few things though,
    NG asked about flooding where Jack is being captive:
    Juliette and he had a discussion about it formerly being a (research?) aquarium. That would explain medical facilities and those large tables too.
    And about the polar bears,
    Kate and Sawyer are being held in cages, that dispense fish biscuits (I’m thinking Polar bears probably LOVE fish biscuits)and didn’t someone (maybe Juliette again)explain that years ago they had these different experimental/scientific facilities, ending with someting like “but that was a long time ago”?
    That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a tunnel, I had thought about the possibility of a tunnel also, but I think the polar bears probably came from the zoo facility.

  42. Homero says:

    What if Eko saw the others camp above the trees, when that monster rose him in the air?
    I guess he did not have time to write that on his stick after he fell to the ground.

    Something else. I think every body is in the same island. After the plane crash, “the others” got to the place in one hour, running. There was no boat. The other island can only be seen from the “others side”.

  43. cactus says:

    Can anyone explain why Eko would want to leave a message for Locke on his own stick, and when he would have thought fit to do this? The carvings on his stick have been there for quite some time; why would he keep such secrets from everyone?

  44. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment=”14441″][quote comment=”14278″]…
    The cable that Sayid found is used for power when it is docked.
    Come on guys didn’t we know this from episode one?[/quote]

    One of the many mysteries from the first season is the cable Sayid found. Although I don’t think it is a power cable. If I’m not mistaken Sayid actually touch it to see that it went into the jungle. If it had been “hot” he would be dead.[/quote]

    Come on man, holding the cable would not Kill you it is very thick with insulation. I will say that perhaps this whole moving island thing could be merged with the North pole talk in that these islands are hidden in a sort of reverse snow globe at one of the poles[south] and they go out and capture people and then bring them back for the secret testing….hmm sinister.
    Like Shrek this thing is full of layers of deception.

  45. Cecilia says:

    Hey guys,

    I just had an interesting thought as I was categorizing some stuff for lostpedia.

    In Season 1 “The Moth”, Charlie is depressed because he can’t kick the heroin habit, and has also lost his guitar. Locke tells him “Look up”. Charlie says he doesn’t want to pray, but Locke says “No, look up”. Charlie looks up and sees his guitar hanging off a tree branch.

    In Season 2, Desmond tells Jack at the stadium “Lift it up”, when he tells him that Sarah is going to be paralyzed. He never really explains this. Then later on, on the blast door map, in Latin, there are the words “Sursum corda”, written 3 times, which means “Lift up your hearts”.

    I’m not sure if this is just symbolic/thematic connection between these phrases, or if these are all pointing to some clue, such as trying to direct us to a spot North on the island, or to a physical item we should lift. Just thought I’d point it out, but I did find it interesting.

  46. Adrian says:

    I think it means that John i sto walk north. Once he is on the northen coast of the island at 3:05 the tides will change, and somethign will be revealed, possibly another hatch with the dude with the eye patch?

  47. Ben says:

    Good word. This show does a great job of confusing you.

    Anyway this is what I’ve gathered from others and my own analysis:

    “Lift up your eyes…”
    – Could mean climb to higher ground
    – Literally “look up”
    – could mean “open you eyes” and see something you previously overlooked. (???)

    “… and look north”
    – literally look north
    – if the island really is on the north pole, look to the center of the island.
    – could possibly refer to the “north star” which is a constant… (perhaps he’ll notice it’s moving… which would support the moving island idea.)

    “John 3:04”
    – It just happens to say “john” under a message that he happens to see. there are so freaking many coincidences it’s not really coincidence anymore.
    – Bible verses are never in the format 3:04. sometimes Koran verses are but not bible verses.

    “4:8:15…”
    – Eko probably just wrote the sequence “4:8:15:16:23:42” on his stick so he wouldn’t ever forget it when he was pushing the button.

    My Ideas about the whole thing:
    – Why would Ben show James (Sawyer) that he wasn’t on the same island as his friends? Doubt right? So he wouldn’t try to escape… so it would be futile. He also told James he put that pacemaker thing in him. It turns out he didnt obviously. So why should it be true that he’s on a separate island? I think the whole “Lostcatraz” thing is a lie and they’re all still on the same island. The other island that Ben showed James could also be fake aswell because Desmond was sailing for weeks and weeks and he never found any island other than THE island.
    – John is probably going to climb to higher ground, look north, and see the suburb where the Others live. or something like that. Or he’ll see another clue.

    I’ve got loads of other ideas but that’s pretty much it for now.

    Later Lost-ers.

  48. sharon says:

    Has anyone thought that since Eko’s stick was missing for a while, that anyone could have put a message on it?

  49. WimVD says:

    Part of the Hydra is under water right? Couldn’t “Lift up your eyes” simply mean ‘look for a mountain’, and the rest of the line mean ‘look north after you’ve climbed that mountain’. If Hydra is indeed below the water surface the only way to be able to see it is from a viewpoint that has a great enough angle with the water surface (~looking from a higher point), owing to the refraction of light.

  50. GB says:

    How can they be in the north pole if they were flying from Australia?

    Also, the stick has a message on it but it’s coincidental, not like Ecko left it on purpose, but will still be useful. I do think they are on the same island, but you never know.

    And I don’t think Jack could ever be so evil as to tell Kate to run and ignore Sawyer, I think she is his main concern for now and he is assuming Sawyer is with her. Once he saw that Kate loved Sawyer he realized he needed to do the surgery so she wouldn’t lose Sawyer.

  51. Joey says:

    i just did a quick google search on 3: 05. i found a pretty interesting government document from california. its probably just random luck but it talks about how climate might affect california, talks about a possible flooding and how temperature and stuff like that affect air quality. there are other official documents with the reffrence number 3: 05. you might wanna check it out for curriosity purposes.

  52. sam says:

    Maybe the clue on Eko’s stick is that the losties are always looking north in every direction, meaning that the location of the Island is at the South Pole. On the cover of Walt’s comics there is a domed city at the top of the World. Since everyone seems to believe he holds the key to understanding what is going on maybe it’s a clue. I like what Cecilia said about other survivors being asked to “lift up their eyes.” The phrase seems to me to have less to do with the literal action and more with figurative speech for opening up the mind. In every episode someone has an experience with past flashbacks and a kind of awakening happens to them in the way they think differently from that point on… or soon they die. The stick might just be another attempt to get the losties to take off the blinders and realize what is really going on.
    A side thought I had that I found interesting is the writers love for Latin and Greek symbology. The monster that killed Eko is called Cerberus on the blast door map,, a Greek mythology monster that was the guard of Hades. Anyway, it had three heads in the myth. Well, that could mean it has three forms, Locke has seen one (he saw it as a bright light) and Eko has seen two (the dark cloud thingy) and could we have seen its third form in the way it recreates itself in the images in the minds of the ones it chooses to torment? Eko’s image of his brother asked him why he “spoke to him as if he was his brother.” I think we have seen the three forms that Cerberus manifests itself in. By the way in the myths the beast is taken out by music. (Charlie) perhaps? Don’t take any of the names given in the show for granted because they all seem to be relevant. Jack Shepard for instance. What is a Shepard? A Shepard is a leader of flocks and he seems to pull that off well. Sawyer’s character seems to reference Tom Sawyer pretty well as an independent soul. I am only saying this because of Locke who could be a reference to John Locke, a philosopher who believed in the social contract theory, which basically says that there are two types of men, good and evil. The creature whatever it is seems to be the judge of that so I see the fates of the monster and Locke intertwined. The social contract theory also says society can only function with the support of all. Locke asks the survivors to go with him to the hatch. Hurley says that Jack never asked anyone to help and Locke says that’s not how he does things. Too many parallels for me to see these things as a coincidence.

  53. Andre says:

    The idea that 3:05 is referencing a time is interesting, but part of the problem is they don’t know when 3:05 is. They don’t know where they are, so even if they have a watch, what time zone are then in? I suppose you could get an idea from the sun, but it’d be guessing since no one uses a sundial anymore. Plus, if it’s 3:05 AM, you don’t have anything to tell you the time. I personally think the 3:05 is not part of the “clue”. I also don’t think that Eko knew anything exceptional. It’s probably just a coincidence that sparked something in John’s memory. You’d think if Eko knew something that could help him get off the island he’d tell everyone.

  54. Soularheart says:

    [quote comment=”14779″]Has anyone thought that since Eko’s stick was missing for a while, that anyone could have put a message on it?[/quote]

    You are correct! Eko was seemingly seperated from his stick in the explosion, and somehow it waited to fall back on earth and on Locke’s head -of all places- some time (days?) after that wierd explosion/implosion!!!? Perhaps the carving was done meanwhile ….

  55. Pastor2churches says:

    Perhaps someone did write on Eko’s stick after the hatch ex/implosion, however that seems less likely than that Eko himself did the work. Didn’t Charlie or someone comment in season 2 about Eko writing on his stick?

  56. Lauren says:

    wasnt 3:05 the thing ben told michael to follow when he & walt left? or am I confused?

  57. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”15557″]wasnt 3:05 the thing ben told michael to follow when he & walt left? or am I confused?[/quote]

    I’m pretty sure Michael was supposed to head for bearing 325.

  58. Bruce says:

    I must be LOSing it. Only a week after the show is in hiatus I start seeing things. Like this:
    The cover of Discover Magazine Dec 2006 issue.
    3D image (forensic scanning).
    This sure does look a LOT like Kate (Evangeline Lilly)

  59. Ryan says:

    if you look to the top left of the quote it says “gen 13:14” the “john 3:05” at the bottom jus happens to be in that place and the scripture to that is probably further around the stick. just to help clearthat bit up. as to what it means i dont have a clue. i jus wanna see the 4th season alreay lol

  60. Ryan says:

    [quote comment=”14544″]Just stopped by to see what people are thinking.
    A few things though,
    NG asked about flooding where Jack is being captive:
    quote]
    this would also explain why the shark that michael and sawyer encountered on the raft had a Dahma sign on its fin.

  61. Ryan says:

    actually in some bibles they would put 3:05 or 3:01, 02,03, ect. so i personally think you are all clutching at straws with the 3:05 thing.

  62. Bruce says:

    Ok. I’ll get over the Discover cover
    and on to the Stick.
    Just above right of the verse in question is another verse: Habbukuk 1:3

    In Habakkuk’s day, the Law was unable to issue forth justice because of the wicked (Hab 1:3-4).
    Additionally, the wicked oppressed the righteous (1:4). So, what are the differences between righteous and wicked in Habakkuk and how would that compare/compute with/for Romans (recall Rom 2:13)?

  63. manny says:

    if the island is the north pole, what would the coordinates that ben told michael to take when he left with walt on the boat? i’m not sure i know how to specify coordinates when one is on the north pole???

  64. Andre says:

    The island can’t be on the North pole in the “real” world. If they were on the North pole, they would either be in perpetual daylight, or perpetual darkness, depending on the season.

  65. KillerR says:

    They’ed also be freezing. I hear it’s cold there.

  66. Fahad says:

    Like mentioned before Desmond sailed all over and ended up on the same island, but Michael was apparently given a escape coordination. The island is probably only one island, but at 3:05 the water comes in to make it look like an illusion (separate island). The cable that Sayid found leads to a station underground possibly where the pirate guy lives. Another thing, if Jack, Kate and Sawyer were taken on a boat to the other island, then they would know it, because of the tilting and swaying of the boat. Therefore it may only be one thing, to lift up your eyes and look north to notice the water coming into the island dividing it into two. Remember the part when Jack opens the door and the water comes in.

    And the thing about a dome on top of the island, I think that can’t be right, because it rains and there’s lighting. Plus they did go to the highest points on the island to find the radio signal in season 1. They just need to go there again and look at 3:05 am or pm.

  67. lostfan4815162342 says:

    I think that at 3:05, Locke should go north and that will lead him to Kate,Jack,and Sawyer………or it could be a coordination of where to go…….

  68. carebare says:

    [quote comment=”15274″]
    Has anyone thought that since Eko’s stick was missing for a while, that anyone could have put a message on it?[/quote]
    [quote comment=”14779″]
    You are correct! Eko was seemingly seperated from his stick in the explosion, and somehow it waited to fall back on earth and on Locke’s head -of all places- some time (days?) after that wierd explosion/implosion!!!? Perhaps the carving was done meanwhile ….[/quote]

    Eko’s stick wasn’t really missing for that long- remember that these episodes are not in real time… the first episodes of the season that showed what was happening to jack, etc. was happening at the same time as the episodes of locke and company… ie, the hatch ex/imploded and locke woke up to Eko’s stick at the same time that jack was being taken to lostitraz. ..
    also, i believe that Eko carved the John 3:05 on his stick, but maybe didn’t know what it meant at the time. like when locke saw the plane and followed that without knowing what it meant.. there seems to be a whole lot of visions going on with the island, and i think eko carving that one his stick was a product of that.

  69. kaos says:

    some ideas, this citation was also on the stick

    Jeremiah 13:20
    Lift up your eyes and see those who are coming from the north.Where is the flock that was entrusted to you, the sheep of which you boasted?
    amplified version
    Lift up your eyes and behold those [the eruption of a hostile army] who come from the north. Where is the flock that was given to you [to shepherd], your beautiful flock?

    Meaning Locke should go north to meet the two scapies.

    the idea of a seperate island can be just that at 3.05 the tide is high so that you see it as a seperate island, but before that its part of the other one.

    The would be almost sure Sahid found it when he circle the island but i guess he did not manage to got so up north.

  70. kaos says:

    are you sure it says gen 13.14 because i thought i read
    gen 8.14 which reads:
    And on the twenty-seventh day of the second month the land was entirely dry.

    opening the debate for a path between the islands.

  71. Andreas says:

    [quote comment=”16386″]are you sure it says gen 13.14 because i thought i read
    gen 8.14 which reads:
    And on the twenty-seventh day of the second month the land was entirely dry.

    opening the debate for a path between the islands.[/quote]

    It looks like it says “Gen 13:14” on the stick, but the quote from Genesis 8:14 is very interesting.

    I really like the idea of the second island being an illusion caused by tide. Didn’t they move higher up on the beach in season one or two because the tide was getting higher?

  72. Arn says:

    [quote comment=”14426″][quote comment=”14087″] A possible correlation to the meaning of 3:05

    End of season 2 I believe; after the detection of an electromagnetic anomaly by the two Portuguese-speaking men at the Listening Station, Penny Widwore is notified by telephone at 3:05, her local time, that they ‘found it.'[/quote]

    3+5=8…
    Probably has no actual relevance but meh.

  73. Jatelover says:

    Did anybody point out that the inscriptions on the stick saying “lift up your eyes and look north” and “John 3:05” look like the same style of writing and size/depth in the stick as though they were carved at the same time. While every thing else looks different… as though they were carved at different times.. by a different person. just a thought.

  74. Andreas says:

    Jatelover, since it is pretty hard to carve letters into wood, I’m not sure different letter “styles” has to mean that it was carved by another person.

  75. Bruce says:

    Anyone else see this?

    [quote comment=”15644″]I must be LOSing it. Only a week after the show is in hiatus I start seeing things. Like this:
    The cover of Discover Magazine Dec 2006 issue.
    3D image (forensic scanning).
    This sure does look a LOT like Kate (Evangeline Lilly)[/quote]

  76. Arndutcas says:

    Different letter styles might be down to different prop people carving the inscriptions in. Not a very exciting thought.:-P

  77. Bruce says:

    No one caught on to the Habbukuk verse?

    [quote comment=”15741″]Ok. I’ll get over the Discover cover
    and on to the Stick.
    Just above right of the verse in question is another verse: Habbukuk 1:3

    In Habakkuk’s day, the Law was unable to issue forth justice because of the wicked (Hab 1:3-4).
    Additionally, the wicked oppressed the righteous (1:4). So, what are the differences between righteous and wicked in Habakkuk and how would that compare/compute with/for Romans (recall Rom 2:13)?[/quote]

  78. Ken says:

    sorry if this has already been said. But didn’t anyone notice that the words “Life up your eyes and Look north” are in a different hand than the rest of the carvings. Look at the ‘U’s and the ‘Y’ , someone other than Eko wrote this OR someone other than eko wrote the carvings other than the Look North one.

  79. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”16613″]sorry if this has already been said. But didn’t anyone notice that the words “Life up your eyes and Look north” are in a different hand than the rest of the carvings. Look at the ‘U’s and the ‘Y’ , someone other than Eko wrote this OR someone other than eko wrote the carvings other than the Look North one.[/quote]

    Not only has it been discussed…but merely two posts up.

  80. Ken says:

    Thank you, for making me feel like a total knob. On my first visit here, people say that different letter carvings in wood would probably mean nothing… yea ok. Those 2 U’s are completely different…

  81. Andreas says:

    Ken, no hard feelings, we’re not trying to make you feel bad.

    The difference in writing style may mean something, it may not.

  82. KillerR says:

    Do we know where Eko’s bible ended up? Maybe he left furter instructions in it for John to follow. Maybe in one of the passages carved on the stick. Or possibly a word from each passage will reveal a message.

  83. Andreas says:

    Did Eko really have a Bible or was it just the cut-up Bible with the orientation film in it?

  84. KillerR says:

    [quote comment=”16697″]Did Eko really have a Bible or was it just the cut-up Bible with the orientation film in it?[/quote]
    Probably the same, but i don’t think the whole think was cut out. maybe there are some readable pages.

    I was also thinking the other day that maybe “lift your eyes and look north” possibly means (like locke told charlie) “look up” and to the north. maybe there’s something in the sky. maybe a constilation or something that would help locke find the island or whatever it is eko was refering to on the stick.

  85. sahil says:

    Wow, you are a genius. I don’t know if you are right or wrong but, your theory is very interesting. I think you are right about 305 and also about the fact that it is where Locke will find Sawyer, Jack, and Kate. But in the teasers of the upcoming episodes of Lost, you see Kate and Sawyer on a beach away from the cages and the hudra shaft. So, I think when Locke reaches there he will only find Jack. And eventually the battery for the walky talkie will run out and they will be Lost.

  86. grant says:

    The whole lift up your eyes and look north comes from the book ezekiel 8:5. and later on the “son of man” brings exekiel to the entrance gate. So Lock could be walking around….look up and to the north and see the entrance to something…..just a thoguht

  87. jero says:

    i don´t think that is have somthing to do with th bible i think that john locke nedds to look north al 3:05 in the north part of the island so he can see the island of the other or something like that… think about it…bye

  88. discolost says:

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  89. lost says:

    – El curso que debe seguir Frank según Daniel es Noroeste 305. Eko escribió en su palo “Lift up your eyes and look north – John 3:05”. También es el rumbo que Ben le indica a Michael. … amigos mios tiene q mirar el capitulo 4×05 para entender lo q acabo de poner…es una coordenada para salir de la isla …

  90. lost says:

    The course that must follow Frank according to Daniel is the Northwest 305. Eko wrote in its wood “Lift up your eyes and look north – John 3:05 ″. Also it is the course that Horseradish tree indicates Michael to him. … friends mine must watch I capitulate 4×05 to understand what I finish putting… is a coordinate to leave the island…

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