Last week’s Lost episode “Exposé” was a nice little departure from the drama at Othersville, but tonight we’re getting back to the action.
Spoiler warning
Kate and Juliet will get to know each other a bit better and back at the beach Sawyer discovers that he might not be as popular as he is with fans of the show…
This is the official description of tonight’s new Lost episode “Left Behind”:
Left Behind” – After discovering that one of her own has betrayed her to “The Others,” Kate is left to fend for herself in the jungle with Juliet. Meanwhile, Hurley warns Sawyer to change his selfish ways and make amends with his fellow survivors or he may face a vote of banishment, on “Lost,” WEDNESDAY, APRIL 4 (10:00-11:00 p.m., ET), on the ABC Television Network.
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lame episode. Nothing really happened
so….lets hope they are sensible and move the beach camp into the barracks…..
[quote comment=”47978″]so….lets hope they are sensible and move the beach camp into the barracks…..[/quote]
My thoughts exactly: Water, electricity, shelter and a sonic fence to boot…
seamus, how do you figure it was a lame episode. first of all we found out that now sawyer and kate are somewhat connected, and he has a kid somewhere. also now juliette is part of the losties? weird, how will this unfold. is she a plant or just really got left behind. if the others are so smart they wouldnt leave her behind to devulge info to the losties. shes lived with them for 3 yrs and knows what they are up too and what they are about. could this really be happening, i dont think its a good thing though.
and sawyer a leader? HAHA! he is the most selfish charactors ever. also where the hell did locke go, and wheres his dad? very interesting episode, cant wait till next week. sayid is totally going to somewhat torture juliette (well whatever jack will allow)…
Nothing really happened? I thought this episode actually advanced the mythology quite a bit.. not that I know what that is of course. We certainly found out more about the smoke monster and security fence, but I think the most telling aspect of this episode was the scene of Kate and Juliet waking up in the jungle. It was all too reminiscent of Jack in the pilot episode- especially with the way the positioned the camera from their vantage point looking up at the trees. It was also reminiscent of Desmond’s waking up in the jungle after the hatch implosion too. What is going on here?
Decent episode, good that last week was in the rear view.
No way i’d be camping out in the Other’s houses. Seriously, people, talk about provoking unwanted discord.
People ultimately live where they are comfortable. We’d like to think that all those modern conveniences are a draw, obviously they are, but the risk/reward ratio isn’t compelling enought to uproot.
STAY ON THE BEACH!!!
I thought the episode was OK. Not a great stand-alone episode like last week’s was, but a good set-up episode that will probably be appreciated more as part of the overall story. It sets up a few storylines, presented a few unexplained events…Locke going off with the Others (Is this the “game-changer”?); distrust of Juliet in the Losties camp; a potential power struggle between Sawyer and Jack. And just where are the Others going to? Another neighborhood on the main island? Underground? Back to Hydra Island? I’m looking forward to seeing how all of this plays out.
Oh, and Hurley’s “lamest” of cons was pretty endearing, you gotta admit!
Livin on the beach looks pretty damn good in this episode! Boar barbques, fishing, golf course, social gatherings, whats not to like?
Love this blog by the way 🙂 Great way to take a break from studying for the DAT!
[quote comment=”47985″]Livin on the beach looks pretty damn good in this episode! Boar barbques, fishing, golf course, social gatherings, whats not to like?
Love this blog by the way 🙂 Great way to take a break from studying for the DAT![/quote]
Exactly, they’ve never been explicitly attacked by “smokey” when they’ve been on the beach, so no need for a fence that the Other’s can just disable at a whim.
Stay on the beach for the same reason you ditched the caves. It looks better “on screen”, and for the survivors it makes “hell” seem like “paradise”.
Good episode. But how does Kate spend an evening chained to Juliette without more dialogue on whats up?
ok so maybe the beach looks nice and has been, so far, relativley safe from smoke monsters etc……but I’d at least take the mattresses and pillows from the barracks to the beach!
Liked the episode – but couple of questions.
1)did juliet handcuff herself and kate together, if not, how did she know she had a key?!
2)where did the others go to? (obviously rhetorical at this point!)
3) (and the big one from this episode I think) was juliet really left behind or is she a plant?
At first i thought she was left behind but then she lied to kate about the monster and the handcuffs
y did the others really leave juliette behind? i say it’s either because 1) she’s to connected with jack or 2) it’s just another mind game. i loved hurley’s con. very nice & sneaky, and of course funny. have u ever noticed how if there’s ever a lighter storyline, it’s involving hurley & sawyer?
it looks like sayied is gonna use his “communication officer” skills again…
Another twist in the love triangle/quadrangle. Not that we didn’t see the Jack-Juliet connection coming from the first ep of the season, but I did feel for Kate tonight. In the end, I hope Jack & Kate get together, however many ups and downs it takes to get there.
Also, it looks like both Kate and Jack have deemed “bad” people since they were left behind but they took Locke. In the hatch, Ben had told Locke that he was a “good” person (which probably means he really was on jacob’s list), and we were told in an earlier episode that Jack was never on jacob’s list to begin with, that they only took him at ben’s request so he would do the operation.
very good episode… Juliet The Shark (JTS) not jump the shark, last week was – juggle the spider. Juliet is totally a plant. She and Ben manipulated Jack & John. Now Kate shows the potential for redemption and who do they put on the job – Juliet. Ben/Jul put the whos-cow on Jack/John for weeks. Now Kate is the victim. Kate’s backstory illustrated that she is likely to be lured into the obvious scam. Cassidy (Sawyers ex) totally ‘handled’ Kate to the end game of the scam. Juliet did the same. Sayid knows better – “She’s not going with us”.
Kate can be saved – according to Other Doctrine.
what the hell is the “Other Donctrine”????
We already knew Sawyer had a kid (we found out during his flashback in jail)
Kate’s connection with Sawyer’s chick didn’t really have any long term lasting impact (Kate never found out who ‘the guy’ was)
We already knew that Juliet didn’t get along with the others (didn’t appreciate the whole trying to kill Ben thing)
We didn’t learn a thing about the smoke monster (other than it doesn’t like fences)
Good guy Sawyer sucks, I was hoping he’d be banished. It’d make things more interesting.
The biggest development might have been Jack’s disinterested attitude w/ kate.
Conclusion: maybe not lame, but mediocre episode
Good set up episode nevertheless; we will probably get to find out a lot about the others when Sayid threatens to torture/kill juliet and she spills the bean.
beans
how dare u say that sawyer should’ve been banished!!!!!!!!! he’s my favorite character next to sayied!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote comment=”47996″]Now Kate is the victim. Kate’s backstory illustrated that she is likely to be lured into the obvious scam. Cassidy (Sawyers ex) totally ‘handled’ Kate to the end game of the scam. Juliet did the same. Sayid knows better – “She’s not going with us”.
Kate can be saved – according to Other Doctrine.[/quote]
I totally agree that Cassidy handled Kate to the end game of the scam. but what I still don’t get is: what was the scam?
My first thought after seeing smokey vs. the fence was that our Losties might be better off packing up and moving to Otherville–especially since Juliet knows how to turn the fence on and off!
Other thoughts:
why was Jack still unconscious?
where did the Others go?
was Smokey after Kate or Juliet or both? I noticed a white light when it was scanning Juliet.
What is up with that US marshal? It just seems like what Kate did is not so heinous that all that manpower would be spent on hunting her down. Maybe the marshal is a distant relative of the stepfather?
And what is up with Kate anyway? Lots of us have seen our fathers beating up our mothers and not resorted to setting the bad guys on fire.
Last thought of the night: what a great episode!
the scam was to get an opportunity for kate to talk to her mum without being arrested by the FBI agents who were guarding her mum’s house. (they showed this by cassidy walking to the door in a kate disguise an dall the agents busrting out of the house)
[quote comment=”48000″]We didn’t learn a thing about the smoke monster (other than it doesn’t like fences)[/quote]
That’s pretty important! We now know that the smoke monster has limits. It’s not all powerful, and it cannot “fly” or jump over the fence. We knew nothing of its limitations before. I wonder how it lifted Eko up so high? Hmmm…
We also did not know whether the Others knew about it, or could control it. Looks pretty likely they aren’t in control of it now. Maybe they revere it? Why didn’t Juliet run from it. Just to convince Kate she didn’t know what it is? What if she knew it wouldn’t hurt her?
yes – the light flashes! Was it just my over-active imagination or did kate not see the flashes? It seemed that only Juliet was flinching when the lights flashed
[quote comment=”48006″]the scam was to get an opportunity for kate to talk to her mum without being arrested by the FBI agents who were guarding her mum’s house. (they showed this by cassidy walking to the door in a kate disguise an dall the agents busrting out of the house)[/quote]
Yeah but that’s the scam Cassidy and Kate played together. Didn’t it seem like Cassidy was handling Kate, too?
[quote comment=”48007″][quote comment=”48000″]We didn’t learn a thing about the smoke monster (other than it doesn’t like fences)[/quote]
That’s pretty important! We now know that the smoke monster has limits. It’s not all powerful, and it cannot “fly” or jump over the fence. We knew nothing of its limitations before. I wonder how it lifted Eko up so high? Hmmm…
We also did not know whether the Others knew about it, or could control it. Looks pretty likely they aren’t in control of it now. Maybe they revere it? Why didn’t Juliet run from it. Just to convince Kate she didn’t know what it is? What if she knew it wouldn’t hurt her?[/quote]
I took it to mean that juliet didn’t run from it because she knew it wouldn’t/couldn’t pass the fence – I think the fence turned back on after her an dkate got passed it?! It sure looked like a ‘force-field’ that was holding the monster back
[quote comment=”48009″][quote comment=”48006″]the scam was to get an opportunity for kate to talk to her mum without being arrested by the FBI agents who were guarding her mum’s house. (they showed this by cassidy walking to the door in a kate disguise an dall the agents busrting out of the house)[/quote]
Yeah but that’s the scam Cassidy and Kate played together. Didn’t it seem like Cassidy was handling Kate, too?[/quote]
yes, I understand what you’re saying now! totally agree – Cassidy seemed more in control of the situations than kate. so, do you think she scammed kate or am I reading too much into your post?
[quote comment=”48011″]yes, I understand what you’re saying now! totally agree – Cassidy seemed more in control of the situations than kate. so, do you think she scammed kate or am I reading too much into your post?[/quote]
I hate to be so cynical but so little is what it seems on LOST, and it just seems way too selfless for this show to show anyone risking her skin like Cassidy did for Kate…for no personal gain of her own.
Didn’t it seem like the other shoe was about to drop the whole time? Was the point maybe that just because some people will leave you behind, that you shouldn’t make the mistake of thinking everyone will?
Seems a bit too pedantic LOL. But clearly she didn’t do it in order to get Kate arrested. Could she be with Dharma? Testing Kate? Anyone got an idea…
spinpapi–i agree that we found out the monster has limits. if it flys y can’t it fly over the fence? it can get really high-as seen in eko’s demise. does it have to have an invisible “foot on the ground?” in that case is the smoke an illusion–like eko’s brother? we never saw the bright light on faces like it was on juliet correct? she has to know something about it that we don’t!
also:
my bet is that they are going underground. locke is playing along with them and i’m betting he’s getting played again! ben is too smart. . .and sinister!
SAYID RULES. everyone should listen to him about everything and everytime!
– we don’t know a thing about smokey, or the others, or anyone other than our Losties. – THINK TOTAL MANIPULATION HERE – Juliet is a plant, the gas attack was staged (why was Jack/Sayid waking 10 hours after Kay/Jul?) We saw no important Others fleeing (Ben/Alpert/Tom). It was all a ruse to get whatever info it is they want from Kate. Jack and Sayid are not in on the ruse… Locke would not play along with the kate rude so they gave him a “prepared speech” to give her before they took him off-sight, to see how she(Kate) would play the game. Did you see how Juliet Judo flipped Kate when she delivered her sandwich? Did you see how she man-handled Kate (when she was allegedly out) trying to take her all-in-one knife. Juliet did not disloKATE her shoulder – it was a simpathetic/bonding ploy by Juliet (remember – Juliet disperatly want to go home)
i definatly dont think that the others were ever in contact with smokey. juliette definetly looked scared and yes, she did know that the force field thing would protect them, but it protects them from everything. they live in their own little world, and nothing can pass that force field.
I also dont think that they will move into the barracks, because granted it will protect them from smokey, but thats it. smokey doesnt seem to bother them on the beach. the beach is their home, why would the leave the only thing that comes close to being home.
Loved the hurley scam, thought it was clever, and pretty funny. those 2 are very funny when scripted together. who doesnt love hurley, he’s the teddy bear of the group. and it just goes to show, sawyer does have a good side, and he feels bad about what he does, unlike in the real world. maybe thats part of the whole scheme of things, changing who they really are, almost a second chance, and a do over! which explains why locke doesnt want to leave, and why hes on the list. he doesnt want to change the way things are, he wants to be right in the place he is. hmmmmm….
Maybe the others need or want to be replaced, they needed to find the people with the skill sets to continue with what they were doing on the island, juliette could be the transition person to see that certain things are done accordingly. Maybe to convince a move into otherville, everything to this point maybe be bait to lure the losties in to this trap, all will surely understand thier connections at some point thus promoting solidarity amongst the losties. Perhaps the others are a mutiny or revised version of dharma, dharma=others, data from dharma must have been too conclusive to leave until now….just a thought.
Does anyone know why Juliette knew where Sayid was when they got back into othersville? It’s understandable to know that Jack would be in his cabin, but couldn’t Sayid have been anywhere?
[quote comment=”48018″]Does anyone know why Juliette knew where Sayid was when they got back into othersville? It’s understandable to know that Jack would be in his cabin, but couldn’t Sayid have been anywhere?[/quote]
juliette knew where sayid was, because so did we. he was tied up to that swingset. we saw that in the episode when john blew up the submarine. i guess it wasnt 100% that he was there, but i dont think that was a slipe up by her, thats just where she last saw him, as did we.
o duh, my bad…does anybody have any idea what the fog flashes were all about? and was it just me or did kate look more tan after the flashes? haha probably just me.
Good episode.
Remember that the last time we saw Locke, he had just seen his father. I’m convinced that sight was enough to have him doing whatever The Others ask him to. Locke can no longer be called a Lostie, not until he does something to prove he’d rather help his friends than help himself.
Smokey not going over the fence (ala Kate/Locke/Sayid/Rousseau a few weeks ago) was totally rediculous. I don’t get it, at all. “We don’t know what it is but we know it doesn’t like our fence.” So weird.
The flashing lights from Smokey (aka, seizure-inducer!) were very interesting. I can’t wait to watch that scene again.
Kate’s mom: “If I ever see you again, the first thing I’ll do is scream for help.” …she certainly kept her promise, as the next time they meet, Kate approaches her in the hospital and her mom does her best to scream (she’s nearly dead at that point) and blows Kate’s cover, leading to the chase in which she indirectly causes the death of her true love. Did we ever learn what happened to Kate’s mom to put her into the hospital? I’ve forgotten.
I don’t think Cassidy was playing Kate. She sympathized with her, helped her, and then was out of her life. I don’t see what she could have possibly gained from that, or what she could have stolen from a girl who is on the run, with no real possessions.
I’m 50/50 on Juliet as a plant/setup. I’d be more convinced if they hadn’t left Sayid behind, because they KNOW what Sayid is capable of; so they would have to have tremendous confidence/faith in Juliet’s ability to keep quiet under duress (interrogation/torture). It’s incredible risky for them to leave her behind while still being on their “team.” But of course, there is just as much risk in leaving her behind as trying to get rid of her, in that she could divulge all that she knows.
It seems pretty interesting to me that Smokey appears in this episode when all The Others disappear and it attacks Kate & Juliet. If The Others really do have control over Smokey, then it’s quite possible that Juliet knew that. They could have been trying to get Kate, while Juliet would have the knowledge that they were in control and she wouldn’t be harmed.
Sawyer’s time as “leader” apparently will last about 8 hours…then Jack will return. It’ll be interesting to see how they interact, they haven’t spoken/seen each other since Jack saw Sawyer and Kate together.
Definitely a very revealing episode that opens a lot of doors for the future. I’m getting the feeling that we’re towards the middle of a 6 season series. There’s a long way to go, I can’t wait for more.
[quote comment=”48021″]Good episode.
Remember that the last time we saw Locke, he had just seen his father. I’m convinced that sight was enough to have him doing whatever The Others ask him to. Locke can no longer be called a Lostie, not until he does something to prove he’d rather help his friends than help himself.[quote]
evrything he has done so far has seemed to be for his own good – probably the most self-centered character….anyone agree/disagree?
sorry, I messed up the quote/reply bit…
evrything he has done so far has seemed to be for his own good – probably the most self-centered character….anyone agree/disagree?
someone mentioned it above, but the kate thing has also really been bothering me since season one. It just doesn’t really make sense to me that there would be so much time, effort and money spent to capture her. She isn’t a serial killer or anything like that, she just killed one guy…doesn’t really make much sense.
Also, i’m a tad curious about the fence. A) how did julliete know the fence was off? B) why was it off and, most importantly, C) WHY DO THEY EVEN HAVE A FENCE? For some reason I never really thought about this. To me it doesn’t seem likely that they built it to keep Dharma people out because, to my understanding, they killed off dharma relatively quickly after they got there. Therefore, it seems like the only explanation is to keep “the monster” out. I guess that could explain why it was some sort of crazy wave instead of a more simple electric “doggy” fence.
Last thought, I am really really confused about julliete. Is she good bad? corrupted? wanting to be good but just cant? I have no idea…All i know is that her coming to the beach is really going to be a huge curve ball.
cheers!
kate also commited insurance fraud, and arsen as she stated in this episode. maybe not grounds for all the money and effort the feds are putting in, but still she didnt just kill someone. i dont think its that far ff that the feds are after her. i mean 3 felonys, it is nuts!
[quote comment=”48021″]Good episode.
Remember that the last time we saw Locke, he had just seen his father. I’m convinced that sight was enough to have him doing whatever The Others ask him to. Locke can no longer be called a Lostie, not until he does something to prove he’d rather help his friends than help himself.
Is it just me, or have you noticed that Locke seems pretty evil? He always has his own reasons for doing everything and gets played pretty easily. I think he’s definitely going to side with the others, no question. The others want to stay on the island just like him & Locke seems pretty interested in what they’re doing
…just another thought. It seems to me that Locke and Juliette may have simply switched sides. Juliette was trying to get jack to kill Ben. Obviously, she has seen the absolute corruption of the others and doesn’t want to be a part of it. Just the same, Locke doesn’t “love the others” per se, however, he LOVES the island and cares only about knowing more about it. Perhaps, he is willing to join the others to simply gain more knowledge of it. Locke seems like the type of person who could easily get caught up in the whole “cult aspect.” After all, we know that he was a part of a cult like organization earlier in his life (selling drugs). It appears like Locke just wants acceptance, he is ultimately insecure.
Locke is playing the game to win. note how Kate absentmindedly played backgammon by herself. where Locke appears to be for himself, Kate appears to be selfless…even having killed her mom’s true love. yet her action wasn’t totally selfless; it was revenge, for her to feel better too. and Locke’s actions wouldn’t mean a thing to him if it wasn’t for the greater good. so they are full of contradictions. very dialectical.
I was so sad they teased and made us think there was voting on the island. finally, some kind of rational act!
*sigh*
[quote comment=”48024″]sorry, I messed up the quote/reply bit…
evrything he has done so far has seemed to be for his own good – probably the most self-centered character….anyone agree/disagree?[/quote]
locke is absolutely the most twisted & self centered charachter on the show. i agree with you completely. He really seems like a jack ass. jack…i was really hopping to see him get killed off tonight. i think he’s to much of a control freak who needs to be called a hero and have something to fix (the reason for his divorce with the Boston Legal chick).
i’d never thought of locke & juliette taking sides before, but it makes a lot of sense. but it could just be another con. they have at least 2 every week it seems like.
[quote comment=”48024″]everything Locke has done so far has seemed to be for his own good – probably the most self-centered character….anyone agree/disagree?[/quote]
Disagree. He helped Charlie beat his addiction in season one, and helped Claire in season two, off the top of my head.
That’s not to say that he has *no* self-interest, or even that his fundamental motivation isn’t personal, but only that he *has* acted in a completely selfless manner at times.
anyone else think that maybe when the monster scanned Juliet that she could somehow tell that it was in her head? I mean when it scanned Eko, he saw the same visions later on before it killed him. Maybe the flashes represent Juliets’ memory being erased or the monster being blocked from seeing her mind. I loved this episode. I thought it was very well written and look forward to the overall story as the rest of the season plays out.
oh…my…god!!!!!!!! i promised myself i was gonna get off of here & then I remembere somethings.
– Juliet is a fertility doctor
– On one of the blogs on here it said something about ben giving some type of drug while they had their lovely little breakfast at the begining of the season.
– Kate & Sawyer had sex
– Juliette was cuffed to Kate
Now here’s my theory:
Kate is pregnant & Juliette is doing some type of fertillity test on her.
The others moved to that hatch where they kept Claire while she was pregnant so they could be closer to where they knew Kate & Juliette would end up to make getting info from Juliette easier & to run tests on Kate.
I know that’s a little far fetched but this is Lost. And another thing, Sun’s pregnant & maybe the others & juliette are going to run tests on her & Kate.
I get excited just thinking about it!!!!!!!!!
[quote comment=”48035″]oh…my…god!!!!!!!! i promised myself i was gonna get off of here & then I remembere somethings.
– Juliet is a fertility doctor
– On one of the blogs on here it said something about ben giving some type of drug while they had their lovely little breakfast at the begining of the season.
– Kate & Sawyer had sex
– Juliette was cuffed to Kate.
when did ben say he gave kate a drug? did i miss something, anyone know??
idk if Ben or any of the other Others gave her a drug, but it was in one of the blogs on here, the land of lost time, i think… anyways, it’s just a theory.
Lost chica- i just read, what i think your talking about. in the land of lost time, TARA wrote”we still dont know what truely happened to kate when she was dressed in the friley top and had breakfast with ben” i think it was just a what if kind of thing. i dont think that happened though. ok i have to go to bed, but im addicted, i cant wait till next week!!
I really liked this episode. I thought it was well developed and I like the story of Kate and Sawyer’s chic. I don’t believe that Juliet knows nothing of the smoke monster and what was with the flashing? Also, I hope they focus on Sun’s pregnancy soon too. Maybe that’s why Juliet is there. Who knows/! I just love the fact that Jack is back on the island with Juliet and Sayid (I spelled his name wrong).
[quote comment=”48033″][quote comment=”48024″]everything Locke has done so far has seemed to be for his own good – probably the most self-centered character….anyone agree/disagree?[/quote]
Disagree. He helped Charlie beat his addiction in season one, and helped Claire in season two, off the top of my head.
That’s not to say that he has *no* self-interest, or even that his fundamental motivation isn’t personal, but only that he *has* acted in a completely selfless manner at times.[/quote]
Yes, not only did he help Charlie, he’s helped Michael’s kid with the dog, Claire, and a couple others I can’t think of. I like his character. And if sometimes he is self centered, He has a lot to be self centered about! The man was betrayed by his father, lost his legs, and now is given a chance to live life to the fullest, wouldn’t you be self centered?
I thought I read earlier that someone was curious about what numbers were pressed when Juliet entered the code to turn off the security force field, but I can’t find that post.
I looked back anyway. They don’t show Juliet pressing all of the keys, but before they cut, it looks like she’s pressing 6 first. When they go back to the keypad, she pressed four more keys. Interestingly, they are 1, 6, 2, and 3. Might this be the 16 and 23 from the numbers?
Maybe not, I played the clip back several more times. Even though the camera angle changes, you can clearly hear keys being pressed. I counted 7 presses, which falls easily short of the 10 required for 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42.
Oh well, I guess.
I think the Kate flashback was summed up when she was sitting on the floor after Jack woke up. I forget what she said to him, something like he didn’t need her to save him. She realizes she keeps trying to do things for people (like killing up her mom’s husband) that they apparently don’t want her to do.
Not sure if Cassidy was conning her, just that Cassidy is the better liar, conner. etc, having been through what she went through with Sawyer. This is where Kate learns her craft of being on the run.
[quote comment=”48025″]
Also, i’m a tad curious about the fence. A) how did julliete know the fence was off? B) why was it off and, most importantly, C) WHY DO THEY EVEN HAVE A FENCE? [/quote]
Juliete knew the fence was off because she is took Kate into the jungle and handcuffed herself to Kate…which is also why it was off.
[quote comment=”48021″]Good episode.
Remember that the last time we saw Locke, he had just seen his father. I’m convinced that sight was enough to have him doing whatever The Others ask him to. Locke can no longer be called a Lostie, not until he does something to prove he’d rather help his friends than help himself.
Smokey not going over the fence (ala Kate/Locke/Sayid/Rousseau a few weeks ago) was totally rediculous. I don’t get it, at all. “We don’t know what it is but we know it doesn’t like our fence.” So weird.
The flashing lights from Smokey (aka, seizure-inducer!) were very interesting. I can’t wait to watch that scene again.
Kate’s mom: “If I ever see you again, the first thing I’ll do is scream for help.” …she certainly kept her promise, as the next time they meet, Kate approaches her in the hospital and her mom does her best to scream (she’s nearly dead at that point) and blows Kate’s cover, leading to the chase in which she indirectly causes the death of her true love. Did we ever learn what happened to Kate’s mom to put her into the hospital? I’ve forgotten.
I don’t think Cassidy was playing Kate. She sympathized with her, helped her, and then was out of her life. I don’t see what she could have possibly gained from that, or what she could have stolen from a girl who is on the run, with no real possessions.
I’m 50/50 on Juliet as a plant/setup. I’d be more convinced if they hadn’t left Sayid behind, because they KNOW what Sayid is capable of; so they would have to have tremendous confidence/faith in Juliet’s ability to keep quiet under duress (interrogation/torture). It’s incredible risky for them to leave her behind while still being on their “team.” But of course, there is just as much risk in leaving her behind as trying to get rid of her, in that she could divulge all that she knows.
It seems pretty interesting to me that Smokey appears in this episode when all The Others disappear and it attacks Kate & Juliet. If The Others really do have control over Smokey, then it’s quite possible that Juliet knew that. They could have been trying to get Kate, while Juliet would have the knowledge that they were in control and she wouldn’t be harmed.
Sawyer’s time as “leader” apparently will last about 8 hours…then Jack will return. It’ll be interesting to see how they interact, they haven’t spoken/seen each other since Jack saw Sawyer and Kate together.
Definitely a very revealing episode that opens a lot of doors for the future. I’m getting the feeling that we’re towards the middle of a 6 season series. There’s a long way to go, I can’t wait for more.[/quote]
Kate’s mom had cancer
What I’m wondering is, why didn’t the smoke monster go over the fence?
Also, Juliette might not be a plant. She was sort of shunned for killing one of the “others”, right? Maybe they really did want to get rid of her?
First, I think smokey is a drug. When they inhale it they start to hallucinate.
Right now the action is pretty lame. How about Snoop Dog’s plane crashing on the island? What this show needs is some pimps, hoes and gangbangers.
Does this mean that Paulo and Nikki are now dead? They must have been buried for 10 or so hours (at least over night) – – unless Vincent dug them up…
Pretty pointless that they were introduced in the first place, but also makes me appreciate the writers’ responsiveness to the theories/complaints of the fan base. Liked the episode.
On last night’s ep: I guess the Others got up and left because they didn’t want to have to deal with Sayed, Kate, and Jack & Juliet after their failed return thanks to Locke. I thought Locke’s speech to Kate was very cryptic. If I remember correctly, he told Kate that ‘he didn’t think the Others were big on forgiving’ so that may be why Kate (for being who she is), Sayed (for being a notorious torturer), Juliet (for trying to kill Ben), and Jack (for his obsessive-compulsiveness and for having a hand in his dad’s demise?? – I made that up) were just left behind to the forces of the Island.
the fact that smokey didn’t jump up the fence was bit of a BS, but I guess it shows why the fence was built in the first place… in fact, the fence is so high-tech that perhapse those who came to the island first created the monster (in a frankenstein kind of way) and they built a fence according to the monster’s specifications as soon as smokey got out of control and developed a mind of his own.
Love the blog.
Every time a Lostie turns bad everyone gets worked up. Locke is one of my favorite characters. We don’t know enough about the Others to know if he is really being selfish. Locke knows more about the island than even the Others.
Locke may not have physically helped everyone but he has tried to help. He talked to Sun when she lost her ring. He built the cradle for the baby. He helped Sawyer realize some stuff about his Boar.
How bad could the others REALLY be? I mean sure they capture people and do cruel things. They could have easily just killed Sayid and the Losties off but for some reason they let them live. It seems they wanted Jack for their own good, but everything else seems like they just want everything to be kept a secret.
I think it would be cool to find out Kate is pregnant. Juliet seems to be a good person in a bad situation. She just wants to go home and I don’t think she really wanted to be part of the Others. Still this could all be some sort of mind game.
Juliet’s a plant? You mean like a palm tree? Hey, if you could have talking birds, you could have walking plants.
Also, I think that the audience should be able to vote to have one character eliminated from the island like every two weeks. This would make the show interactive and generate more publicity, and sell more jeeps. The actor who is left, would get a bonus. Just a thought.
And, they could have a lottery where an audience memeber could become a Lostie, and they could ad lib on the show to gain votes. (“Hey Locke, did you really blow up that sub or not?”) Who wouldn’t want a free trip to Hawaii? If they didn’t get enough votes, they would have to be killed off in the second episode like Paulikki.
Maybe a some celeb appearance like Jimmy Kimmel would add some comedy to this depressing show.
Though I think it unlikely that Juliet is a plant left behind intentionally by the Others, she should not be trusted. Last week;s episode gave us a more clear picture of her relationship to Ben and indicated that they were on a similar level in their manipulation abilities. As much as I like the idea of her having some kind of crazy desire to get back to the “real world” and her pregnant cancer stricken sister-there is just something not right about her. I’m with Sayid 100% on this one. I mean, he was right about Ben and look at where not listening to him then got the Losties.
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I think it would be cool to find out Kate is pregnant. [/quote]
What’s this show gonna turn into if all the hot chicks are preggers? More whining and shows about baby care.
If Juliette was also gassed and left behind, how in the world did she get Kate all the way into the jungle by herself without waking her up? Suspect.
Did anyone catch Juliet saying, after her shoulder was dislocated, that it was the 4th time that had happened? I’m wondering if she’s reliving everything in the same manner as Desmond.
[quote comment=”48071″]I thought I read earlier that someone was curious about what numbers were pressed when Juliet entered the code to turn off the security force field, but I can’t find that post.
I looked back anyway. They don’t show Juliet pressing all of the keys, but before they cut, it looks like she’s pressing 6 first. When they go back to the keypad, she pressed four more keys. Interestingly, they are 1, 6, 2, and 3. Might this be the 16 and 23 from the numbers?
Maybe not, I played the clip back several more times. Even though the camera angle changes, you can clearly hear keys being pressed. I counted 7 presses, which falls easily short of the 10 required for 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42.
Oh well, I guess.[/quote]
It would be interesting if “the numbers” were the code for the fence. It would perhaps explain why, in the Lockdown episode, Locke only had to tell Ben the numbers once. I always found that suspicious that he committed them to memory so quickly.
My first thought with Cassidy and Kate is they were both “with” Sawyer and Cassidy got preg so now Kate is too. Also whoever said that the reason Juliet was sent was to be the baby doctor – I think you are on to something!
Episode didn’t answer any major questions but it was an insight into Kate’s character.
Betrayed by her mom and now Locke. And Jack seems to be pulling away from her. His wife cheated on him too. I wonder if it was with Sawyer (ya never know he gets around)
I loved the Hurley Con! Sawyer is just too funny when he tries to be nice!
Juliet’s arm has been dislocated 4 times – on the island??
Maybe the mark they put on Juliet had something to do with Smokie scanning her or whatever it was doing.
Could Juliet alone have carried Kate all the way into the jungle?
Locke said they were not very forgiving.
Why do the others need to forgive any of them in the first place?
Regarding Locke helping others,
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Yes, not only did he help Charlie, he’s helped Michael’s kid with the dog, Claire, and a couple others I can’t think of. [/quote]
Moreover, when he helped find Vincent, he did so in a way that Michael received credit for doing so, to help out Michael and Walt’s relationship. Very unselfish if you ask me.
What’s up with the smoke monster. Why can’t it jump a 10 foot fence. Kate is probably 5′ 2″. The tree she used to jump in was probably still leaning there. The monster can fly. But, it can’t fly 10 feet high over the fence? It had no problem flying that high to kill off Mr. Echo.
[quote comment=”48105″][quote comment=”48102″]
I think it would be cool to find out Kate is pregnant. [/quote]
What’s this show gonna turn into if all the hot chicks are preggers? More whining and shows about baby care.[/quote]
Are you trying to say that women cease to be hot because they’ve gotten pregnant?
I think it was an awesome episode. First off, there was a sweet chick fight, handcuffed together, in the rain. It doesn’t get much better than that. I thought the Hurley con was cool, I’m getting tired of Sawyer being such an ass to everyone. I think that Juliet was planted to look like she was left behind. She did have the handcuff key and a knife. Plus, I trust Sayid’s instincts and he said to leave her. I can’t wait for next week when Sayid interrogates her, hopefully we’ll find out some more of the Island’s secrets.
This may be far fetched, but is it possible the Monster was after Kate? Maybe it was trying to protect Juliet. I mean it shouldn’t have had a problem going thru the trees…it’s made of smoke! When Juliet and Kate were fighting and she screamed, the monster then came out. Maybe it was trying to make sure Juliet was okay. I don’t know….just a thought.
Regarding the pregnancies….I don’t know how much they will play into the events on this show. The show has been moving slowly, at the pace of one day island time per episode. Presumably this will continue. (I don’t know if this is true, but I read somewhere that the elapsed time for each season would be 42 days for season 1, 23 days for season 2, 16 days for season 3, etc)
Anyways my point is that even at one day per episode, the series would have to last at least 7 more seasons for any babies to be born (we’ll be lucky if the series lasts 3 or 4 more seasons). I suppose there could be incidents like the Others kidnapping Sun because she’s pregnant, but I’d hope the producers don’t rehash plots like that.
It is interesting that Juliet is now part of the Losties…her being a fertility doctor and Sun being pregnant and I guess Kate potentially pregnant. Remember the guy who was trying to recruit her (Nestor Carbonell is his real name but can’t remember his character’s name) and he showed her the xray of a woman’s uterus and told her that she could have the resources to study her…I think they said she was a 25 year old woman with the uterus of a 75 year old woman. I wonder if the xray was that of Sun or some other Lostie…the Others know all about the Losties and I remember either Juliet or Ben telling Jack that they had his father’s autopsy report. If they could have that, they could also have the xray from an OBGYN appointment of Sun or someone else. Maybe that is why Juliet is trying to get in with the Losties…although she was supposed to have been leaving…I don’t know.
They do seem to be repeating the idea that last few episodes that Ben is really into playing mind games…Alex said it, Juliet said it, and he even said something like it in that scene where Paolo saw Ben and Juliet in the Pearl station.
I just can’t see Kate as all that bad…hate her mom though! Didn’t it turn out that the guy she burned in the house who she thought was her stepfather was actually her biological father? The bounty hunter guy seemed obsessed with her…that is kind of weird…maybe we’ll find out more sometime. I loved the connection with Cassidy and Kate…maybe they were trying to hint that Kate is pregnant with Sawyer’s child…just like Cassidy was pregnant with Sawyer’s child when they met. Hmmm…
I just want to know where the hell Rousseu is…
[quote comment=”48109″]…It would be interesting if “the numbers” were the code for the fence. It would perhaps explain why, in the Lockdown episode, Locke only had to tell Ben the numbers once. I always found that suspicious that he committed them to memory so quickly.[/quote]
Ben told Locke that he never entered the numbers into the computer, so there’s no way to prove he actually memorized them. There’s also no way to really know if he was telling Locke the truth, but I think he was. Remember that he helped save Locke from the blast door in the hatch…and we know he knew Locke used to be paralyzed. Ben + Locke are a great team.
[quote comment=”48103″]Juliet’s a plant? You mean like a palm tree? Hey, if you could have talking birds, you could have walking plants…[/quote]
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Geez Beavis…
Plant, as in
Synonyms: abettor, accomplice, assistant, associate, coconspirator, confederate, conspirator, insider, ringer.
[Get a dictionary, or at least use the you have]
Does anyone else feel that they got rid of the wrong characters?
Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby are gone but instead they keep Hurley?
Demon_Seed, you may want to review the guidelines for commenting in this blog, There is a reason that they’re listed directly above the comment box.
Namely, these two:
“Be constructive, don’t complain about Lost unless you want to discuss your complaint.
Be kind and helpful.”
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Ben told Locke that he never entered the numbers into the computer, so there’s no way to prove he actually memorized them. There’s also no way to really know if he was telling Locke the truth, but I think he was. Remember that he helped save Locke from the blast door in the hatch…and we know he knew Locke used to be paralyzed. Ben + Locke are a great team.[/quote]
I thought it was understood that Ben DID enter the numbers, because the hatch didn’t go crazy like it did in the season 2 finale, right before Desmond turned the failsafe key. Aside from that, in the Lockdown episode, Ben repeats the numbers back to Locke right after Locke tells them to Ben.
I agree about Ben & Locke – their scenes from The Man from Tallahassee were the some of the best moments of this season.
Butthead: you’re a regular coco inspirator. Does this mean that you snort coconuts?
But seriously, Juliet is just not happening. Put her back in the Others’ kitchen making brownies. Where’s Cindy?
[quote comment=”48133″]I thought it was understood that Ben DID enter the numbers, because the hatch didn’t go crazy like it did in the season 2 finale, right before Desmond turned the failsafe key. Aside from that, in the Lockdown episode, Ben repeats the numbers back to Locke right after Locke tells them to Ben…[/quote]
Ah yes, you’re right. I wasn’t thinking logically there. Ben telling Locke he didn’t enter the numbers was when Locke started questioning the reasons he was entering the numbers…ultimately leading towards the destruction of the hatch.
[quote comment=”48124″]It is interesting that Juliet is now part of the Losties…her being a fertility doctor and Sun being pregnant and I guess Kate potentially pregnant. Remember the guy who was trying to recruit her (Nestor Carbonell is his real name but can’t remember his character’s name) and he showed her the xray of a woman’s uterus and told her that she could have the resources to study her…I think they said she was a 25 year old woman with the uterus of a 75 year old woman. I wonder if the xray was that of Sun or some other Lostie…the Others know all about the Losties and I remember either Juliet or Ben telling Jack that they had his father’s autopsy report. If they could have that, they could also have the xray from an OBGYN appointment of Sun or someone else. Maybe that is why Juliet is trying to get in with the Losties…although she was supposed to have been leaving…I don’t know.
They do seem to be repeating the idea that last few episodes that Ben is really into playing mind games…Alex said it, Juliet said it, and he even said something like it in that scene where Paolo saw Ben and Juliet in the Pearl station.
I just can’t see Kate as all that bad…hate her mom though! Didn’t it turn out that the guy she burned in the house who she thought was her stepfather was actually her biological father? The bounty hunter guy seemed obsessed with her…that is kind of weird…maybe we’ll find out more sometime. I loved the connection with Cassidy and Kate…maybe they were trying to hint that Kate is pregnant with Sawyer’s child…just like Cassidy was pregnant with Sawyer’s child when they met. Hmmm…[/quote]
I’m pretty sue that the Xray that Juliet was show by Dr. Alpert (Nestor) prior to her recruitment was NOT Sun. If you recall from Season 2, Sun’s doctor told her that her infertility wasn’t her, but rather her husband Jin. She didn’t tell him for fear of bruising his ego.
Besides us knowing that Steve brings the water….who the heck is he? Has he been in an episode before??
[quote comment=”48137″]Besides us knowing that Steve brings the water….who the heck is he? Has he been in an episode before??[/quote]
I believe he was brought up early on when “Scott” died and they kept having the debate over which guy died…Scott or Steve.
[quote comment=”48136″] I’m pretty sue that the Xray that Juliet was show by Dr. Alpert (Nestor) prior to her recruitment was NOT Sun. If you recall from Season 2, Sun’s doctor told her that her infertility wasn’t her, but rather her husband Jin. She didn’t tell him for fear of bruising his ego.[/quote]
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It has not been established yet that “Richard Alpert” is a doctor.
Great Blog…good discussion. The fact that Juliet had a key to the cuffs strongly hints that she is a plant in the Losties camp. Yet, many of the characters have names that point to their identity. Jack is a Shepherd. Sawyer (like Tom Sawyer) is a kid-at-heart missing his parents. John Locke is like the philosopher analyzing the island and its experiences (The philosopher John Locke was known for his proposition that we experience the world “tabla rasa” – like a blank slate and we are molded solely by our experiences.) Perhaps Juliet is the “star-crossed” lover who can mend this “ancient grudge”. Perhaps the question should be: Who will be her Romeo?
[quote comment=”48141″][quote comment=”48136″] I’m pretty sue that the Xray that Juliet was show by Dr. Alpert (Nestor) prior to her recruitment was NOT Sun. If you recall from Season 2, Sun’s doctor told her that her infertility wasn’t her, but rather her husband Jin. She didn’t tell him for fear of bruising his ego.[/quote]
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It has not been established yet that “Richard Alpert” is a doctor.[/quote]
You’re right! But I suspect he might be.
So, apparently, the Others don’t have anything to do with smokey, so does that mean Locke’s dad was definitely real?
[quote comment=”48144″]So, apparently, the Others don’t have anything to do with smokey, so does that mean Locke’s dad was definitely real?[/quote]
I don’t think we are any closer to answering either of those points.
Did anyone notice…
In the first season, when “the monster” approached, it shook huge trees and made noises like King Kong. That, coupled with the presence of a polar bear, planted the image of a giant animal-monster in my brain. In the second season, we viewers never got to actually see the creature associated with the loud roars and tree shaking. We did, however, get to see the smoke monster stalk and kill Mr. Ecko. But the sound of the smoke monster’s approach was a gentle rustling of the brush. So, I figured that these were two different creatures. Now, in last night’s episode, we discover that apparently, the smoke monster can bring it soft or bring it loud. What’s up with that??
[quote comment=”48144″]So, apparently, the Others don’t have anything to do with smokey, so does that mean Locke’s dad was definitely real?[/quote]
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We don’t know for sure that they don’t have anything to do with Smokey. Juliet said that, but as we have seen so far, none of the Others are to be trusted. She could be lying (I suspect she is). We do know that fence repells Smokey and might keep him out of the Barracks. We still don’t know who/what controls it or if it is in fact some kind of mystical manifestation of the island’s judgement.
I think Locke’s dad was really on the island. We know that the Other’s had some kind of access to the outside world (The tape of the Sox winning the Series :go Sox!:) so it is feasible that they could have gone to wherever he was and brought him to the Island. He looked like he was wearing Safari gear too, maybe he was in Australia at the same time as the rest of the Losties. Who knows for sure?
Maybe smokey was programmed to go after Juliet because of her brand, but Kate is protected because she’s pregnant.
This is why Juliet stayed handcuffed to Kate. For some reason, Juliet was not useful to the Others, even though she was recruited by Nestor. She failed her mission.
Any one else notice that the barand name on the smoke bomb was “A.L.S Technologies”? I googled it and came up with a website for a company that specializes in “Less Lethal Munitions”. Interesting.
[quote comment=”48148″]Maybe smokey was programmed to go after Juliet because of her brand, but Kate is protected because she’s pregnant.
This is why Juliet stayed handcuffed to Kate. For some reason, Juliet was not useful to the Others, even though she was recruited by Nestor. She failed her mission.[/quote]
I’m thinking just the opposite. The monster was after Kate, Juliette protected Kate from the Monster, she knew that I can’t or least doesn’t (I’ll get back to this) cross the fence. She knew the fence was inactive and that they could get inside the fence to protect Kate. I think it’s Juliette’s “job” right now to make sure Kate’s baby “makes it”. Ben set up the whole mating scenario and they want to see it through.
I think the Monster knows that it is not supposed to got inside the fence more so than it can’t. I think flashing lights were a confirmation that Juliette is off limits, but it still wanted Kate…and when it hit the fence, it knew it had to back off.
I am new to this blog…I love it!. You guys are so inciteful, I really have learned alot about this amazing yet frustratingly perplexing show.
My ongoing frustration, and it has been addressed in previous postings, is that why in the 2+ seasons do none of the losties address the basic questions I would have had with the others, especially in the scenes where they have had extended periods of alone time with them. Specifically:
1) why are you attacking us? As one of the Others said (I forget his name, he wore the fake beard and kidnapped Kate) “We did not come in your house…etc.” I wanted the Losties to say, We did not come to this island like an invading army, hello, OUR PLANE FELL OUT OF THE SKY!!.
2)On severaly occasions Others have told the Losties that they are the bad people. Why haven’t htey asked them to explain what they mean.
3)Generally, Kate (last night with Juliet) and several occasions Jack had alone with Ben and Juliet, why don’t they demand and explanation of who they are, why they are here, and what their mission is?
This is why I get so frustrated with the show, in the few instances when a Lostie woulk ask these questions, the Other would give a vague response and the Lostie would not follow up and the scene would end. I am going crazy, but I will continue to watch, I am hooked!
I agree that Ben set it up for Kate and Sawyer to mate, if I recall they were giving shots before they were locked up in the cages. Then he gave Kate the clothes to make her look more appealing, next thing you know they are doing the do. And you what happens when people do the do, BABIES!
ooh, one other big question, why aren’t they Losties totally baffled as to why these Others know all about their personal live, I personally would be freaked out if I survived a plan crash on a remote Island, and the natives new who my parents were. Wouldn’t you?
I like Hammer’s theory. It beats mine and makes sense!!
[quote comment=”48102″]Every time a Lostie turns bad everyone gets worked up. Locke is one of my favorite characters. We don’t know enough about the Others to know if he is really being selfish. Locke knows more about the island than even the Others.
Locke may not have physically helped everyone but he has tried to help. He talked to Sun when she lost her ring. He built the cradle for the baby. He helped Sawyer realize some stuff about his Boar.
How bad could the others REALLY be? I mean sure they capture people and do cruel things. They could have easily just killed Sayid and the Losties off but for some reason they let them live. It seems they wanted Jack for their own good, but everything else seems like they just want everything to be kept a secret.
I think it would be cool to find out Kate is pregnant. Juliet seems to be a good person in a bad situation. She just wants to go home and I don’t think she really wanted to be part of the Others. Still this could all be some sort of mind game.[/quote]
In last weeks podcast, I think it was last week, Damon and Carlton distinctly said that the others “were badder than we think” and that we’ll definitely see that by the end of the season. So, I wouldn’t count on them being to noble
Regarding the comment about Juliette turning on the fence-I wonder which side of the fence the controls are on. In other words, was the fence built to keep things out or keep people in? If the controls are in the middle of the post how do you turn it off? Must be on one side or the other – need to check this on a replay I guess. Great blog by the way…always a highlight of my Thursdays.
[quote comment=”48146″]Did anyone notice… Now, in last night’s episode, we discover that apparently, the smoke monster can bring it soft or bring it loud. What’s up with that??[/quote]
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Along the same line – how about the “bright shiny” that the entity put on the faces of Kat/Jul when they were hiding in the thicket of trees? It was night and it lit up their faces. Did they see the kinds of things that Eko saw when he went face-to-face with it? Didn’t Locke have a stare down with the entity too – where he saw wonderful things (the magic of the island)?
[quote comment=”48170″]Regarding the comment about Juliette turning on the fence-I wonder which side of the fence the controls are on. In other words, was the fence built to keep things out or keep people in? If the controls are in the middle of the post how do you turn it off? Must be on one side or the other – need to check this on a replay I guess. Great blog by the way…always a highlight of my Thursdays.[/quote]
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The fact that Juliet, and probably many of the senior Others, know how to raise/lower the sonic fence means that some of the previous speculation about having tunnels to get to the dock may not be accurate. I thought the control was just on the side of the fence post, not the inside/outside of the fence post. Someone needs to check the “code” she entered to see if those “numbers” have any meaning in the numbers game we all play here.
I have only watched the 1st few minutes of the episode so far and soon as Locke told Kate goodbye the entire series became so clear to me. Except for Locke (on the good list) and Hurley (who both have been picked to help the Losties) everyone else have been treated like they deserved. Would a band of peaceful Others want these criminals on their Island? What if a stranger came to your small town and you knew one was a wanted criminal killer—Kate. Juliet must have done something wrong and was “put on probation,” that’s why they would not let her go. The “Losties” really are the bad guys in the real world: Sawyer–swindler; Nickie & Friend Killers/diamonds, Jin the “enforcer,” Sun’s affair, The junkie, Desmond was so stupid to try to prove something and leave his true love, The Iraqi torcherer, Jack did a no no in Thailand, The African “priest”— all deserve to be punished if not deserving to be in a prison or die. And thus they are in a “jail.” Claire? I don’t know yet, but didn’t she have a baby without marriage? Michael proved he could commit a murder– must be based on some past which included abandoning his child. Excluded–casted away on an island that is paradise for some trying to protect themselves. The Others are the good guys and in my minute last night–I lost all sympathy for the Losties. But the Others stole the children? Or were they the innocent who needed to be protected. Kate and Sawyer in a jail (Zoo)—they should have been in one and those who were taken all knew this as they walked by. The mystery is over.
[quote comment=”48142″]Great Blog…good discussion. The fact that Juliet had a key to the cuffs strongly hints that she is a plant in the Losties camp. Yet, many of the characters have names that point to their identity. Jack is a Shepherd. Sawyer (like Tom Sawyer) is a kid-at-heart missing his parents. John Locke is like the philosopher analyzing the island and its experiences (The philosopher John Locke was known for his proposition that we experience the world “tabla rasa” – like a blank slate and we are molded solely by our experiences.) Perhaps Juliet is the “star-crossed” lover who can mend this “ancient grudge”. Perhaps the question should be: Who will be her Romeo?[/quote]
Brilliant! I never clued into that before…I wonder what “Sayid” means. Can’t remember his last name but that might be a clue.
I think when Juliet had the staredown with smokie, she might have been telling it something tellapathicly and thats why it wouldn’t jump the fence.
This Lost was pretty good, it wasnt the best but it wasnt the worst.
I Love this show!
I wonder if the writers even know exactly whats going on?
I also heard a rumor this was the last season, tell me it aint true please!!
I’d like to slow down the flashes from Smokey to see if there is any discernible pattern.
love the blog…
right, kate’s mom died of cancer, juliet’s sister had cancer (and was preggers)… connection?
Bizzy wrote: “Maybe smokey was programmed to go after Juliet because of her brand, but Kate is protected because she’s pregnant.This is why Juliet stayed handcuffed to Kate.” Which is a great idea. the brand means you are unprotected (like “step 1” of the ultimate punishment — banishment and exposure to smokey).
also, shouldn’t jack have more information about the others now? i mean, he was alone with them for some time, and seemed accepted by them? anyone think he’ll have anything to offer about the others?
one more thing, when jack, sawyer and kate were taken to ben, ben said something about the others being the “good guys.” so if that’s true, and kate and sawyer are “bad” why’d they want them there?
(y’all may have already talked about that in an earlier blog that i didn’t see…)
I thought last nights episode was pretty good…def better than last week. kate has really been bugging me lately. (about the feds being after her…let’s remember she did MURDER someone and then took off.) She seems like she is one of those ‘stage 5’ clingers who tries to fix other peoples problems, with out finding all the facts (a bit irrational) and forgets about her own. i am also in love with Jack…lol.
I think Juliette really did get screwed by the Others and we are going to get some answers from her.
As for Locke, oh Locke locke Locke… I really want to still believe he is a good guy and is conjuring up a plan to help his lostie buddies.
When I was thinking about the point of telling the kate/cassidy story, other than that they are connected. I think Sawyer is going to tell kate about the woman he loved and had to leave, and that kate will realize that it was cassidy.
[quote comment=”48151″] I’m thinking just the opposite. The monster was after Kate, Juliette protected Kate from the Monster, she knew that I can’t or least doesn’t (I’ll get back to this) cross the fence. She knew the fence was inactive and that they could get inside the fence to protect Kate. I think it’s Juliette’s “job” right now to make sure Kate’s baby “makes it”. Ben set up the whole mating scenario and they want to see it through.
I think the Monster knows that it is not supposed to got inside the fence more so than it can’t. I think flashing lights were a confirmation that Juliette is off limits, but it still wanted Kate…and when it hit the fence, it knew it had to back off.[/quote]
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I believe the only truthful thing Juliet said all episode is that “the Others did not know what the entity was”[pp].
Juliet kicked Kates’ butt when attacked in the rec room. Juliet had a visible knife that Kate took – but Juliet remakably regained consciousness just as Kate took control off the knife – then put her in an arm bar/lock to control the knife. Juliet feigned the dislocated shoulder to gain sympathy from Kate, yet the whole time she had a key to the handcuffs. The only time Juliet showed a true ‘sense of urgency’ was when they had to high-tail-it to the sonic fence to save their fannies. Back in Club Other, Juliet tried to continue to manipulate Jack/Sayid/Kate by stating she was one of them now. Ben wants Juliet in Lost Camp – she is connected to Jack/Kate (sympathetically & emotionally) now, so instead of sending in agents like Ethan & friends, Ben sends believable Juliet. If Juliet goes to beach camp in the next few episodes, Ben will have his spy in place.
[It was nice to see that two mud crusted women could look so beautiful: mud-n-all].
[quote comment=”48175″]I have only watched the 1st few minutes of the episode so far and soon as Locke told Kate goodbye the entire series became so clear to me. Except for Locke (on the good list) and Hurley (who both have been picked to help the Losties) everyone else have been treated like they deserved. Would a band of peaceful Others want these criminals on their Island? What if a stranger came to your small town and you knew one was a wanted criminal killer—Kate. Juliet must have done something wrong and was “put on probation,” that’s why they would not let her go. The “Losties” really are the bad guys in the real world: Sawyer–swindler; Nickie & Friend Killers/diamonds, Jin the “enforcer,” Sun’s affair, The junkie, Desmond was so stupid to try to prove something and leave his true love, The Iraqi torcherer, Jack did a no no in Thailand, The African “priest”— all deserve to be punished if not deserving to be in a prison or die. And thus they are in a “jail.” Claire? I don’t know yet, but didn’t she have a baby without marriage? Michael proved he could commit a murder– must be based on some past which included abandoning his child. Excluded–casted away on an island that is paradise for some trying to protect themselves. The Others are the good guys and in my minute last night–I lost all sympathy for the Losties. But the Others stole the children? Or were they the innocent who needed to be protected. Kate and Sawyer in a jail (Zoo)—they should have been in one and those who were taken all knew this as they walked by. The mystery is over.[/quote]
I see where you are going with that, but I disagree. First off Desmond is a pretty good guy so far. He can’t be punished for being ‘stupid’ which i don’t think he is. And the case of Michael and Walt was a little out of Michaels hands, since walt’s mother moved across the globe. and the mystery is DEF not over!!!
[quote comment=”48183″][quote comment=”48175″]I have only watched the 1st few minutes of the episode so far and soon as Locke told Kate goodbye the entire series became so clear to me. Except for Locke (on the good list) and Hurley (who both have been picked to help the Losties) everyone else have been treated like they deserved. Would a band of peaceful Others want these criminals on their Island? What if a stranger came to your small town and you knew one was a wanted criminal killer—Kate. Juliet must have done something wrong and was “put on probation,” that’s why they would not let her go. The “Losties” really are the bad guys in the real world: Sawyer–swindler; Nickie & Friend Killers/diamonds, Jin the “enforcer,” Sun’s affair, The junkie, Desmond was so stupid to try to prove something and leave his true love, The Iraqi torcherer, Jack did a no no in Thailand, The African “priest”— all deserve to be punished if not deserving to be in a prison or die. And thus they are in a “jail.” Claire? I don’t know yet, but didn’t she have a baby without marriage? Michael proved he could commit a murder– must be based on some past which included abandoning his child. Excluded–casted away on an island that is paradise for some trying to protect themselves. The Others are the good guys and in my minute last night–I lost all sympathy for the Losties. But the Others stole the children? Or were they the innocent who needed to be protected. Kate and Sawyer in a jail (Zoo)—they should have been in one and those who were taken all knew this as they walked by. The mystery is over.[/quote]
I see where you are going with that, but I disagree. First off Desmond is a pretty good guy so far. He can’t be punished for being ‘stupid’ which i don’t think he is. And the case of Michael and Walt was a little out of Michaels hands, since walt’s mother moved across the globe. and the mystery is DEF not over!!![/quote]
ya i agree, there are to many secrets that arn’t solved by that solution.
The only reason I don’t think Juliet is a spy is because the writers took the time to give us a glimpse of her backstory, and to show that she was not as willing a volunteer as we may expect.
I think she is truly an exile now. Maybe the same case as Russo. She has learned to survive and avoid smokey outside the fence.
And where did she disappear to?
where did who dissapear to scottc13?
Maybe smoke monster doesn’t want anyone to leave. Others don’t want Lostie’s around because smoke monster will come around. They can take Locke because Locke thinks smoke monster is beautiful. He now wants to stay on the island. Losties…like Jack and Kate and now Juliet want to go home. So they can go back through the jungle where smoke monster is and Others can get away! Smoke
Sorry…I messed up.
What I was also gonna say was usually smoke monster comes during day and maybe the flashes of light were to see??? Since it was dark? Maybe it was trying to look in her eyes.
Smoke monster seems like a pet to me now. I want one.
I think the whole Kate backstory with Cassidy was designed to show that Kate is rarely willing to trust, BUT, when she does – she gets burned. Kate trusted Cassidy, therefore, once again in her life (rarely) Kate will now trust Juliet (and she will get burned again).
Why do we not trust Cassidy? Well, when Cassidy did her Bible sales stunt at the motel door, FBI guy did his takedown and called her KATE. Up to that point Cassidy only knew Kate as ‘Lucy’. After that point she continued to hide the fact that she knew Kates’ real name.
So for the entire rest of the episode Cassidy new Kate was Kate, and in the closing scenes where Kate says she is not Lucy, she is Kate, Cassidy doesn’t flinch and never reveals that she knew that.
Kate left thinking she had a trusting comrade in Cassidy… that translates into her new found bond with Juliet. I bet both falsely placed trusts will come back to bite her – soon.
I have a longer treatment on my blog (http://blue.butler.edu/~jfmcgrat/blog/) but I thought I’d chime in and point out that Juliet does not appear to have been left behind in the sense of forsaken. She has been left behind with a mission. Did anyone notice the flashes of light that prevented the smoke monster from getting her and Kate when they were under the tree and had been spotted? She hasn’t been abandoned (she had the key to the handcuffs, for crying out loud!), she is there to accomplish something for the Others.
[quote comment=”48185″]The only reason I don’t think Juliet is a spy is because the writers took the time to give us a glimpse of her backstory, and to show that she was not as willing a volunteer as we may expect. I think she is truly an exile now. Maybe the same case as Russo. She has learned to survive and avoid smokey outside the fence. And where did she disappear to?[/quote]
Juliet has another backstory coming up in a few weeks. The press release implies that she is quite Ben-like (a butt-kicker/manipulator) and that what we have seen so far, the timid, tenuous fertility doctor that we saw in “Not in Portland”, is nothing like the Island Juliet we will see.
[quote comment=”48187″]where did who dissapear to scottc13?[/quote]
RUSSO
[quote comment=”48150″]Any one else notice that the barand name on the smoke bomb was “A.L.S Technologies”? I googled it and came up with a website for a company that specializes in “Less Lethal Munitions”. Interesting.[/quote]
Yes, I did too and that is where I get this next idea: I don’t think anyone was gassed.
First: the canister they showed so clearly and up close was just tear gas or white smoke. Look it up at the ALS website.
Second: as commented before, why did Jack wake up so much later than Kate? Why were there 3 or more cannisters in Jack’s house? That could have suffocated him no matter what kind of gas it was supposed to be.
The cannisters & ruckus looked staged to me.
Third: We only have Juliette’s word that she was gassed. We haven’t even heard from Sayid whether he was gassed or not.
Fourth: The second Kate took a bite of that sandwich, the Other’s exodus started.
My take: Kate’s sandwich was drugged. They were watching her. They staged the gas mask donning for her benefit or just to protect themselves from tear gas. I don’t think Jack or Juliette were gassed and if not, what is Jack up to now? He would have to be working with Juliette in this. She knew exactly where he was even though she was supposedly gassed at the same time as everyone else. I won’t comment on Sayid since we haven’t even seen him yet. Just a theory.
– backstory to show connection between Kate and Cassidy (both pregnant by Sawyer): great!
– Locke said he saw the monster/island and it was a white light (like flashed on Juliet’s face). this does not make them “good,” just “good” in the monster’s eyes.
– LOST has been picked up for another season…don’t worry, it’s not over.
– why should Cassidy be obligated to tell Kate she knew her real name? it was nice of her to let Kate tell her in her own time.
– the show is about redemption and second chances as much as anything else. not everyone who makes a mistake should be punished or killed. sheesh!
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[quote comment=”48176″][quote comment=”48142″]Yet, many of the characters have names that point to their identity. Jack is a Shepherd. Sawyer (like Tom Sawyer) is a kid-at-heart missing his parents. John Locke is like the philosopher analyzing the island and its experiences (The philosopher John Locke was known for his proposition that we experience the world “tabla rasa” – like a blank slate and we are molded solely by our experiences.) Perhaps Juliet is the “star-crossed” lover who can mend this “ancient grudge”. Perhaps the question should be: Who will be her Romeo?[/quote]
Brilliant! I never clued into that before…I wonder what “Sayid” means. Can’t remember his last name but that might be a clue.[/quote]
I have heard that Saïd/Sayeed/Sayid means: leader, master, lord. I checked online and also found “auspicious.”
oops…
kind of messed up my reply, which was only the last two lines…
I have been reading another blog and they are saying that Juliet was one of The Others putting on a gas mask…it wasn’t mentioned here and I tried to look at screenshots (can’t view the whole episode yet as I am not at home) so I am not convinced that is true…any thoughts?
Sayid was outside too. Wouldn’t the gas of went in the air? If it were close to him he could have just kicked it away. Did someone say that already??
I’ve been so frustrated because nobody I know watches Lost – you guys are GREAT!
Isn’t it odd that they hauled Kate out into the forest, but they left Jack and Sayid at the camp? Not to mention the already brought up fact the men slept a lot longer.
So it does seem that Juliet is a plant because of how they staged their togetherness in the forest….
Her excuse that she “didn’t want to get left behind again” makes no sense, as she could have chained herself to her buddy Jack. He was much more likely to believe her than Kate would.
And how did she know how to “find” Kate? Did she just roam around the forest looking for her? Of course not – she knew where to find her.
She’s a plant. She and Ben cooked it up. But why Jack is so naive considering all he’s been through is difficult to swallow – unless he’s faking it – but he’s probably just thinking with the wrong part of his body.
And Lock probably made a deal for his friends – remember when they came upon Jack shaking hands with the bad guys, it was Locke who said he must have a good reason for doing what he did. He was acting nasty to Kate, which is out of character for him, because he wanted her not to look for him.
And I doubt the sub was the only way off the island. They must have boats to spare, otherwise they wouldn’t have given one away to the betrayer.
Great blog!
i’m most interested in smokie, did anyone come up with anything interesting about the flashes after watching it again and again?
BTW – Just watched Capra’s Lost Horizon. As someone else here mentioned, lots of interesting parallels with Lost, down to the Dharma hatch doors – and also w/a graphic novel I read years ago and set in some mythical nordic land, but I digress. Anyway, hope to see a thread on the parallels between that novel/book and our show.
[quote comment=”48190″]I think the whole Kate backstory with Cassidy was designed to show that Kate is rarely willing to trust, BUT, when she does – she gets burned. Kate trusted Cassidy, therefore, once again in her life (rarely) Kate will now trust Juliet (and she will get burned again).
Why do we not trust Cassidy? Well, when Cassidy did her Bible sales stunt at the motel door, FBI guy did his takedown and called her KATE. Up to that point Cassidy only knew Kate as ‘Lucy’. After that point she continued to hide the fact that she knew Kates’ real name.
So for the entire rest of the episode Cassidy new Kate was Kate, and in the closing scenes where Kate says she is not Lucy, she is Kate, Cassidy doesn’t flinch and never reveals that she knew that.
Kate left thinking she had a trusting comrade in Cassidy… that translates into her new found bond with Juliet. I bet both falsely placed trusts will come back to bite her – soon.[/quote]
The Marshal doesn’t call her ‘Kate’, he calls her ‘Austin’. She never knew Kates real name til the end.
I think that maybe there is more than one smokie but they have the ability to come together to form one, because after “it” hits the fence it runs away and breaks into to and goes seperate ways. just a thought but it seams reasonable. tell me what you think.
Juiliet said “the people i’ve lived my life with for three years just gassed me and left me”
this could be part of her punishment because when the verdict was reached about what to do with her, the others seemed really scared but all she got (at the time) was a mark by way of cattle proad so i think she might have really been left behind
kates license plate on her car reads
4ON DBV
anyone know if thats important?
[quote comment=”48202″]I have been reading another blog and they are saying that Juliet was one of The Others putting on a gas mask…it wasn’t mentioned here and I tried to look at screenshots (can’t view the whole episode yet as I am not at home) so I am not convinced that is true…any thoughts?[/quote]
It was not her. The woman was blonde and wearing a light blue top so she looked similiar. Her hair was much shorter than Juliet’s and her shirt was snug with no hoodie. Juliet has very long hair and was wearing a light blue tunic with a hood.
4ON DVB sorry
[quote comment=”48212″][quote comment=”48202″]I have been reading another blog and they are saying that Juliet was one of The Others putting on a gas mask…it wasn’t mentioned here and I tried to look at screenshots (can’t view the whole episode yet as I am not at home) so I am not convinced that is true…any thoughts?[/quote]
It was not her. The woman was blonde and wearing a light blue top so she looked similiar. Her hair was much shorter than Juliet’s and her shirt was snug with no hoodie. Juliet has very long hair and was wearing a light blue tunic with a hood.[/quote]
Great…thank you for clearing that up for me! Much appreciated.
[quote comment=”48193″][quote comment=”48185″]The only reason I don’t think Juliet is a spy is because the writers took the time to give us a glimpse of her backstory, and to show that she was not as willing a volunteer as we may expect. I think she is truly an exile now. Maybe the same case as Russo. She has learned to survive and avoid smokey outside the fence. And where did she disappear to?[/quote]
Juliet has another backstory coming up in a few weeks. The press release implies that she is quite Ben-like (a butt-kicker/manipulator) and that what we have seen so far, the timid, tenuous fertility doctor that we saw in “Not in Portland”, is nothing like the Island Juliet we will see.[/quote]
i keep thinking of sawyer pointing out that pickett was not a cold blooded killer–but juliet would w/o a flinch–or something to that effect. this is while they were breaking rocks. she even proves that by shooting pickett. there is a spooky calm around this woman. always decisive even when abandoned she hatches a plan? either way: plant or no plant, she cannot be trusted. GO SAYID!
screwed up the quoting. i only wrote the last paragraph. sorry.
“And I doubt the sub was the only way off the island. They must have boats to spare, otherwise they wouldn’t have given one away to the betrayer.”
When they left the other Island the whole lot of them were on a fairly big boat.
[quote comment=”48220″]”And I doubt the sub was the only way off the island. They must have boats to spare, otherwise they wouldn’t have given one away to the betrayer.”
When they left the other Island the whole lot of them were on a fairly big boat.[/quote]
If they left the island, why would Locke say he didn’t want to leave the island as if he – well – wasn’t leaving the island? Couldn’t they have just left the camp for another location on or under the island?
[quote comment=”48195″][quote comment=”48150″]Any one else notice that the barand name on the smoke bomb was “A.L.S Technologies”? I googled it and came up with a website for a company that specializes in “Less Lethal Munitions”. Interesting.[/quote]
Yes, I did too and that is where I get this next idea: I don’t think anyone was gassed.
First: the canister they showed so clearly and up close was just tear gas or white smoke. Look it up at the ALS website.
Second: as commented before, why did Jack wake up so much later than Kate? Why were there 3 or more cannisters in Jack’s house? That could have suffocated him no matter what kind of gas it was supposed to be.
The cannisters & ruckus looked staged to me.
Third: We only have Juliette’s word that she was gassed. We haven’t even heard from Sayid whether he was gassed or not.
Fourth: The second Kate took a bite of that sandwich, the Other’s exodus started.
My take: Kate’s sandwich was drugged. They were watching her. They staged the gas mask donning for her benefit or just to protect themselves from tear gas. I don’t think Jack or Juliette were gassed and if not, what is Jack up to now? He would have to be working with Juliette in this. She knew exactly where he was even though she was supposedly gassed at the same time as everyone else. I won’t comment on Sayid since we haven’t even seen him yet. Just a theory.[/quote]
Think you’re dead on. I thought something similar after I googled the ALS website. More info to prove that Juliet is a manipulative dudette just like Ben. Perhaps even her exile was staged for the benefit of Ben’s master plan.
I tend to think Juliette is a spy and everything including her asking Jack to kill Ben was scripted. The hang up for me though is “why”. The don’t really need to spy anymore. They know everything about everyone and could keep them all of their barracks with the fence. So why do they need a mole in the survivors camp? Do they need to recruit more replacements or surrogate mothers or what?
[quote comment=”48202″]I have been reading another blog and they are saying that Juliet was one of The Others putting on a gas mask…it wasn’t mentioned here and I tried to look at screenshots (can’t view the whole episode yet as I am not at home) so I am not convinced that is true…any thoughts?[/quote]
It was not Juliet. the woman in question’s hair was too short.
[quote comment=”48222″][quote comment=”48195″][quote comment=”48150″]Any one else notice that the barand name on the smoke bomb was “A.L.S Technologies”? I googled it and came up with a website for a company that specializes in “Less Lethal Munitions”. Interesting.[/quote]
Yes, I did too and that is where I get this next idea: I don’t think anyone was gassed.
First: the canister they showed so clearly and up close was just tear gas or white smoke. Look it up at the ALS website.
Second: as commented before, why did Jack wake up so much later than Kate? Why were there 3 or more cannisters in Jack’s house? That could have suffocated him no matter what kind of gas it was supposed to be.
The cannisters & ruckus looked staged to me.
Third: We only have Juliette’s word that she was gassed. We haven’t even heard from Sayid whether he was gassed or not.
Fourth: The second Kate took a bite of that sandwich, the Other’s exodus started.
My take: Kate’s sandwich was drugged. They were watching her. They staged the gas mask donning for her benefit or just to protect themselves from tear gas. I don’t think Jack or Juliette were gassed and if not, what is Jack up to now? He would have to be working with Juliette in this. She knew exactly where he was even though she was supposedly gassed at the same time as everyone else. I won’t comment on Sayid since we haven’t even seen him yet. Just a theory.[/quote]
Think you’re dead on. I thought something similar after I googled the ALS website. More info to prove that Juliet is a manipulative dudette just like Ben. Perhaps even her exile was staged for the benefit of Ben’s master plan.[/quote]
Kate took a bite of the bread, then heard the commotion. Unless the drug could withstand the rising process and baking, and was so potent that only a mere morsel would knock you silly, I don’t think the food was drugged.
The writers stretch the imagination, but not the plausibility of simple plot devices like this.
My thoughts…
– the passcode Juliet used to get through the sonic fence ended in 1623.
– bright lights on Mr. Eko when he saw it too, but it was daytime and probably not as pronounced as last night.
– if smokey isn’t in cahoots with Ben/Juliet (can’t get through the fence, attacked Juliet), then that was definitely Cooper in that cell and not a manifestation.
– Smokey seems to need to identify someone before offing them…he did the same to both Locke and Eko. Remember, Smokey tried to take Locke in Season 1 finale. TNT stopped him.
– Kate’s flashback was boring. We learned a lot of stuff we already knew. Agreed about the Marshal, I think Kate did more than kill her stepfather to get this type of attention.
– I understand why everyone is jumping the gun to “Kate’s preggy”, but it is a jump of the gun yet.
– maybe we need to rethink the sonic “fence”. maybe it’s more of a sonic “bubble”.
[quote comment=”48127″][quote comment=”48109″]…It would be interesting if “the numbers” were the code for the fence. It would perhaps explain why, in the Lockdown episode, Locke only had to tell Ben the numbers once. I always found that suspicious that he committed them to memory so quickly.[/quote]
Ben told Locke that he never entered the numbers into the computer, so there’s no way to prove he actually memorized them. There’s also no way to really know if he was telling Locke the truth, but I think he was. Remember that he helped save Locke from the blast door in the hatch…and we know he knew Locke used to be paralyzed. Ben + Locke are a great team.[/quote]
I think the only reason Ben saved Locke from the blast doors was because Locke’s 1 of the good ones, so Ben did that for his own evil reasons. And i think that Ben told Locke he didn’t push in the numbers as a mind game.
Hurley’s Dad – the fence can’t be a bubble because Kate and gang went over it.
[quote comment=”48226″]My thoughts…
– the passcode Juliet used to get through the sonic fence ended in 1623.
– bright lights on Mr. Eko when he saw it too, but it was daytime and probably not as pronounced as last night.
– if smokey isn’t in cahoots with Ben/Juliet (can’t get through the fence, attacked Juliet), then that was definitely Cooper in that cell and not a manifestation.
– Smokey seems to need to identify someone before offing them…he did the same to both Locke and Eko. Remember, Smokey tried to take Locke in Season 1 finale. TNT stopped him.
– Kate’s flashback was boring. We learned a lot of stuff we already knew. Agreed about the Marshal, I think Kate did more than kill her stepfather to get this type of attention.
– I understand why everyone is jumping the gun to “Kate’s preggy”, but it is a jump of the gun yet.
– maybe we need to rethink the sonic “fence”. maybe it’s more of a sonic “bubble”.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing about the bubble.
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UthaOne wrote:
“And I doubt the sub was the only way off the island. They must have boats to spare, otherwise they wouldn’t have given one away to the betrayer.â€
When they left the other Island the whole lot of them were on a fairly big boat.
If they left the island, why would Locke say he didn’t want to leave the island as if he – well – wasn’t leaving the island? Couldn’t they have just left the camp for another location on or under the island?”
I meant that they used a big boat to get from the small Island back to the big one.
[quote comment=”48229″]Hurley’s Dad – the fence can’t be a bubble because Kate and gang went over it.[/quote]
Disregard my last comment…Hammer is right.
not if it wasn’t on…..
Patchy went through when it was “on”….Smokey did not when it was on.
Now, I’m not sure how Patchy did the foaming thing, but it would seem to me that he couldn’t have gotten through that if it was really on.
Kay – that’s what is great about this blog. I get corrected a lot. This blog helps us when we get off track ’cause we forgot a detail.
[quote comment=”48108″]Did anyone catch Juliet saying, after her shoulder was dislocated, that it was the 4th time that had happened? I’m wondering if she’s reliving everything in the same manner as Desmond.[/quote]
Anyone who has ever dislocated their shoulder will tell you, if it happens one, it will happen many times. That explains why she knew how to pop it back into place.
So what happened with Locke? Something happened between the moment they opened the door, and his father was there, and when he came in to give his “good-bye” speech to Kate, that gave Locke a sense of committment and acceptence to be with the others. I’m sure there will be a future episode that will tell show us what happened there, but what do you think?
I’m beginning to wonder if The Man From Tallahaee (Lockes’ Father?) isn’t really the Big Boss? He is was always off of the island doing the “fund-raising” for whatever they are doing there through his Con’s. That will have something to do with what happened to Locke in those missing moments.
Hurley – point taken, but why wouldn’t it be on when the others are inside it? I’d say it was on for Patchy…who carries around fake mouth foam and ear squirting blood apparatus just in case someone pushes you into a sonic fence?
[quote comment=”48235″]Kay – that’s what is great about this blog. I get corrected a lot. This blog helps us when we get off track ’cause we forgot a detail.[/quote]
Thanks! I am new to posting though I read all the time…I love the theories! This is the best Lost blog I read.
I am absolutely positive 100% that Juliet was planted with Kate for some dubious reason. The clues were obvious:
1) Why were just she and Kate hauled off into the woods, not Sayid and Jack;
2) She had a key for gosh sake!
3) She new the fence was off.
4) Not so obvious, but I believe that everything in this show, every clue and detail is not by accident, this is an excellently written show and I believe everthing means something no matter how subtle and hard to spot. That being said, Kate was gassed, supposedly Juliet was to and abandoned and shakled to Kate, but I noticed that when Kate woke up she was groggy and here eyes were a bit blood-shot and watery. This makes sense when you are drugged – But Juliet awoke from a deep drug induced slumber with clear eyes, all faculties working with cat-like reflexes and the speed of mongoose (quote from Tommy Boy!).
This was all a ploy to win the trust of Kate, whom as we all know, the others know all about her, her life, past, and personality traits.
I believe this shuts the book on this issue. It will all come to past soon enough.
Just re-listened to Patchy and the sonic wall. It was on. Maybe Smokey’s just not smart enough to climb over the top.
am i imagining things or did juliet say twice “are we safe now?” after smokey came after them? was she acting or was that for real?
i think it has to be important bc kate’s response is “are you kidding me? you are asking ME if we are safe”
[quote comment=”48244″]Just re-listened to Patchy and the sonic wall. It was on. Maybe Smokey’s just not smart enough to climb over the top.[/quote]
Yeah, he didn’t even attempt to go over. That’s what had me thinking that it’s a boundary for him. Juliette knew he couldn’t get past it.
[quote comment=”48246″]am i imagining things or did juliet say twice “are we safe now?” after smokey came after them? was she acting or was that for real?
i think it has to be important bc kate’s response is “are you kidding me? you are asking ME if we are safe”[/quote]
IMO…she was acting.
[quote comment=”48239″]Hurley – point taken, but why wouldn’t it be on when the others are inside it? I’d say it was on for Patchy…who carries around fake mouth foam and ear squirting blood apparatus just in case someone pushes you into a sonic fence?[/quote]
For on thing, I think the other know where the losties are at ALL times. The knew they were going to the swan, I believe they know they were coiming to the barracks. I think Patchy and Klugh are still alive. I would venture to say that they did have some fake foam / blood rigged up for patchy. The others all all about disguise, illusion and manipulation. They seem to be 3 or 4 steps ahead of the Losties.
I will have to re-watch the Fence scene with patchy, but wouldn’t he have bounced off if it was really on?
y is everyone so obsessed with smokey?
scottc13- I’m not buying that one. How did they get the fence to make the noise? Too far fetched for me. If Patchy is alive it’s because the fence doesn’t actually kill people (and I will be disappointed with the writers using foam and blood to make us think he died but was only injured) and it only “stuns” them.
I don’t think that a sonic pulse would make you bounce off like a force field. Smokey appeared to bounce off because he backed away when the pulse came at him.
Here are my thoughts on the various discussions:
1. Smokey: More than one person has theorized that smokey is based on nanotechnology, which means that it is essentially millions of little bio-robots (I think – scientists please correct me if I’m wrong). This is plausible to me because that technology is rapidly becoming more mainstream, has implications for medicine (an interest of the Others) and also potentially relates to the disease that wiped out Rousseau’s crew, the mummification of corpses, hallucinations (like Ecko’s brother), etc.
Further, if it were nanotechnology that could also explain its reaction to the fence. I don’t think it is able to “jump over†because of the particular affects of the waves emitted by fence. It’s like if someone is receiving an electrical shock from a device strapped to his head, he can’t just remove the device while being shocked because he is not in control of his nervous system at the point in time, even though that person can remove a helmet from his head in normal circumstances. Just because smokey “jumped†in the encounter with Ecko doesn’t mean it can “jump over†the fence. Which also makes me think the fence was designed to keep that particular creature out, and the fact that it kills people and other wandering animals is a nice secondary benefit (if it even does since there’s debate about Patchy’s fate).
I know there are many different possible explanations, but I like to toss out the science fiction ones to keep the conversation balanced with those who think it is a giant revenge machine or deity (man, some posters are really judgmental of the characters!).
2. Rousseau: Okay, I know this has been mentioned a couple of times, but where is Rousseau! You think Kate or Sayid would say something as they were leaving Otherville. Maybe it will be like Home Alone and halfway back to the beach one of them will be like “Hey, we left behind the crazy French lady with a questionable Eastern European accent?†Or maybe the gassing or drugging made them all temporarily dumb. Rousseau is very fishy and I’m sure will show up in a future episode. There is too little information for me to even speculate where she went.
3. Locke: Oh, Locke. I don’t think that conversation with Kate was scripted by the Others. We still don’t know if Locke has ever killed anyone (stupid commune episode cut away before we found out what happened between him and the young cop – still waiting for resolution there). Further, he is very bitter about his dad’s behavior/actions and probably would look down on someone who murdered their stepfather. I think he really is disgusted with her. I’m going to stick with my theory about there being a wormhole and say that Lock is going with the others to time travel or something similar to change the fate of everyone on the island for the better. I agree that he seems more sinister and creepy this season, but I don’t think that he is selfish. I think whatever it is he thinks he’s doing with the others will help the Losties. I think it is possible, but totally predictable, that the Others are conning him into something with very bad consequences for the Losties and that is the act that will show viewers the Others are more evil than we know. I just hope it is good and suspenseful in the end. Love this show.
[quote comment=”48252″]y is everyone so obsessed with smokey?[/quote]
uhhh…what?
Is it just me or did Kate have a dream about what Locke said to her in the Club House? While watching, I thought that Juliet knocked Kate out…then Locke entered and had his conversation with Kate…THEN Kate woke up on the floor and took a bite of the sandwich. I must re-watch, but if this is the case, then did Locke really have that conversation? And did he go anywhere with the Others?
[quote comment=”48257″]Is it just me or did Kate have a dream about what Locke said to her in the Club House? While watching, I thought that Juliet knocked Kate out…then Locke entered and had his conversation with Kate…THEN Kate woke up on the floor and took a bite of the sandwich. I must re-watch, but if this is the case, then did Locke really have that conversation? And did he go anywhere with the Others?[/quote]
I don’t recall the order of the events right now…but Kate wasn’t knocked out. Juliet said something like “enjoy your sandwich” and Kate was awake for that.
If Kate’s pregnant, she’s only about a week or so pregnant. It’s very early days…
The smoke monster seems to care about good or bad (or black/white), and also it seems to attack the bad people (it didn’t attack Locke, but it attacked Mr. Eko who justified the lifes he took – therefore doesn’t regret, which maybe to seems to the smoke monster that he “failed” – and thus got killed).
In tonights episode we see Kate showing off a really aggressive, bad side (when she attacked Juliet). So for some reason I think that being handcuffed to Juliet (who maybe is considered good – someone noticed white lights) saved her for being attacked by the smoke monster, right after she showed off a bad side .. Just like Eko did before he was killed..
But it’s just a thought – anyone agrees?
[quote comment=”48259″][quote comment=”48257″]Is it just me or did Kate have a dream about what Locke said to her in the Club House? While watching, I thought that Juliet knocked Kate out…then Locke entered and had his conversation with Kate…THEN Kate woke up on the floor and took a bite of the sandwich. I must re-watch, but if this is the case, then did Locke really have that conversation? And did he go anywhere with the Others?[/quote]
I don’t recall the order of the events right now…but Kate wasn’t knocked out. Juliet said something like “enjoy your sandwich” and Kate was awake for that.[/quote]
My bad, I went back and looked. Even when Locke came into see Kate, the sandwich was on the floor. I guess I thought it was strange that she was sleeping on the floor near the door with dropped food all around….just hoping for something more tricky!
Is there a place to go watch shows from the previous seasons? I’d sure like to view them with all this new context.
Mark – Don’t know really. Actually Smokey on one occasion did attack Locke, he had him by the leg and started to pull him underground when someone used dynamite to save him. So I’m still confused on what Smokey’s motives are.
Just an observation: Even though I think Jules is conning Kate, she wasn’t faking the shoulder thing for sympathy. They edited in a popping sound when Kate wrenched on Jules’s arm.
well guys,SPOILER ALERT
locke’s dad is the real Sawyer, damon lindelof has said that when the cooper-locke story is adressed again it leads up tu a super finale which will have sawyer included, maybe this was the reason they took sawyer, so if he did what they wanted (which we didnt get chance to see) they would have given him a gun and opened the door to mR COOPER. coz locke got what he wanted, jack did when he did the op on ben, maybe thats it, and i think from what we have seen juliet isnt a plant, you can see she is treated badly by the others and i think ben did leave her behind, lets not forget cuple weeks ago she was on the death trial, thats how much they like her, ben was onli concerned bout jack goin, not juliet, maybe ben belives that the survivors can no who they are becoz it makes no difference coz locke is gunnah find out,
the lost king
Another one: It seemed pretty clear that Smokey’s light flashes were only being done to Jules and not Kate. I don’t think he was scanning the area just above her butt to see the branding, so IMO he scanned Jules mind/thoughts, realized who she was and backed off until he could get another chance at Kate…then Jules saved Kate again by getting her behind the fence. Jules’ job must be to protect Kate or Kate’s possible baby.
i like that thory hammer, btw the cooper-sawyer is a theory NOT A SPOILER good theory, not a spoiler, juliet cud b goin tu get sun aswell, you have just very well discredited my comment
lol
and also a theory is cooper was actually on the plane and wasabducted in the tailuies camp. he did drink desmonds mucuchtokks drink n there was one found on the beach, also hu rekons that tom is gay?
When I watched it…I saw Kate flinching but the lights were on Jules. Maybe she was keeping it from reading her mind. Maybe it has to look into her eyes.
Anyway…about the fence and bubble. What I don’t understand is smokey can travel underground. Why can’t it travel underground to get under the fence sometime??
[quote comment=”48269″]Another one: It seemed pretty clear that Smokey’s light flashes were only being done to Jules and not Kate. I don’t think he was scanning the area just above her butt to see the branding, so IMO he scanned Jules mind/thoughts, realized who she was and backed off until he could get another chance at Kate…then Jules saved Kate again by getting her behind the fence. Jules’ job must be to protect Kate or Kate’s possible baby.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. If smokey is more of a machine/robot, scanning makes perfect sense. Like reading a bar code. This experience could be what made Locke think he’s seen the eye of the island and it was beautiful (paraphrasing here).
Still have no idea what motivates it, or if it even has its own motivation. Could be controlled by someone, or programmed to perform a certain function. Makes me think of the robots in Minority Report or the “search and destroy” robots in the Matrix that react to EMPs.
Tasha – just my opinion at this point, but I really think that Smokey knows or is somehow controlled to stay away from the barracks and the indicator is the fence being on. That’s all I can come up with.
I remember reading someone thought that Smokey could have been spirits or Gods…or maybe the whispers were. I also have heard the theory that Smokey is Cerberus-from Greek Mythology. If you look into it, it was the child of Typhon, who was said to sound like the hissing of a hundred snakes and the roaring of a hundred lions. Anyhow, the hatch meant underworld…and Cerberus was gaurded the gates of the Underworld. I have to look it up, but I believe it is something on those lines when I have seen it before….
Is that farfetched? LOL
may i say on the blast door in a few places it says Cerberal or sumat like that, that is a part of ur brain which stores memeorys’ of a sort (not exact info- along lines) so is cerebral smokey??? and also dobie i am a bit upset those questions havent been adressed, it wudda bin first thing i asked, they ahve had all this time tu ask and yet we get nuthin, they had henry(ben) and asjked nuthin after findin out his identity, its anoyin
The Wizard of L”OZ”T
No, I’m not writing to assert that lost was based after the great American classic, The Wizard of Oz. However, I believe there to be important possible similarities that are worth consideration.
Somewhere over the rainbow:
Dorothy dreamed of a Magical place, a perfect place. I believe this to be true in most of the “losties.” Most back stories have shown them unsatisfied with their lives(ala Desmond wanting to prove himself to Widimore, Jack wanting to do something “good,”Charlie wanting a come back career in music, Bernard wanting to cure his wife of cancer or Kate and Sawyer only wanting revenge). Much like the tornado sporadically swept Dorothy from Kansas and landed her in OZ, Oceanic Flight 815 swept the losties and landed them on an island that at first look many would consider paradise (whats better than a beautiful beach, where food drops from the sky?-Have you ever seen “The Beach?”…paradise) However, just like Dorothy, they quickly realize, this place isn’t so great (monsters and polar bears and others, oh my) and all they wanted was to go home, the bullshit of life just doesn’t seem so bad anymore.
However, they have to follow the yellow brick road, which obviously leads to the others (specifically “Jacob,” which is comparable to the wizard of OZ). Jacob is the good one. He is the protector and the dominant force behind the island.
Much like the yellow brick road in OZ,the road to truth and salvation is hard, long and discouraging
As you may or may not remember when Dorothy and the crew finally make it to the emerald city, the guardian of the gate says: “orders are not nobody can see the great wizard of oz, not nobody, not no how.” This appears to have great resemblance to Jacob. Him and his list is constantly spoken of. However, where is he?-not nobody can see Jacob, not nobody, no how.
Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain:
So, Dorothy, the scarecrow, the Cowardly lion and the tin man finally make it to the the great wizard of oz and they demand to get what the were promised and for Dorothy it was just a way home.
So…here is the kicker of this, entirely too long, entry…
Jacob could be considered “the Wizard of OZ.” He presumably has all the characteristics: all knowing, wise and, ultimately, a good man. However, with the thanks to todo the cast realizes, the wizard of oz is a fluke. In fact, it was just a man behind the curtain. I would assert to you that Ben is this man behind the curtain (in fact their is an episode coming up-I believe episode 20- titled just this)But, even though the wizard of oz was a fluke, they still got what they wanted.
So, I believe the losties and the others, alike, will eventually realize that Jacob, “the list” and everything implied by the island isn’t necessary, just like those trapped in OZ did. In fact, they had the power to get home, to walk, cure cancer, etc, etc all along. All they had to do was tap their shoes (who knows what that could be in lost terms), get up and walk or cure cancer. It is an issue of mind over matter here(similar to how an 80 year old woman somehow musters up the strength to lift a car if her grandchild is trapped beneath)…just like it was for the lion, who only needed to believe he had courage.
To sum it up, the losties all wanted to escape from something and when they finally did all they wanted to do was get home and see auntie em.
The smoke monster and everything other struggle on the island is just testing them.
They think that various things (ala the others) are the way off the island. However, they all posses the way to get home (or walk or whatever they desire) the entire time, but they just don’t know it.
far fetched…I know. But, it’s just an idea. let me know what you think!
I’m sorry if this was already addressed but what sort of brand does Juliette have? Does anyone else have it? And how did I miss it??
[quote comment=”48283″]I’m sorry if this was already addressed but what sort of brand does Juliette have? Does anyone else have it? And how did I miss it??[/quote]
here ya go:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Juliet%27s_mark
Right, please bear with me here. This doesn’t exactly pertain to this episode but ever since Desmond and his flashback episode with the mad jeweller etc i’ve been sooo confused.
It just struck me today, MAYBE he did indeed get the opportunity to do it all over again (not a dream as suggested) and went for it in order to save everyone – SO when he went back and before he left for the second time, he left something for Penny to say what exactly was going to happen otherwise, how on earth would she have a chance of finding him and got her artic scientists or whatever they are onto the case? Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Also, I reckon since Cassidy did Kate the favour in this episode Kate decides to do Cassidy a return favour and turns Sawyer in – don’t know how or when, bearing in mind there’s a lot of flashbacks still to see – but I’ve just got a feeling about that – I’ve been mulling it over all day….
I think maybe Juliet has been cast out by the others – no way they won’t be back BTW – if they did really care about her, they wouldn’t have risked her being smoked by Smokey McSmokerson OR, they are indeed controlling smokey and they were just trying to frighten Kate into believing that Juliet was as scared as her and she (Juliet) is now in the same boat as them.
Hmmmm, so many questions! Love this show!
I know a great PR campaign for the show: Hold a contest and allow the winner to be privy to the writer’s creativity. Wouldn’t you love to be part of that unbelievable brainstorming?! Just to sit in the same room and watch those two create this stuff.
I’d enter in a sec. So I’m guessing would most of you. Maybe the contest is to see three clues (who/what is Jacob, etc.) and come the closest to guessing the answer – not that the writers know, yet!
[quote comment=”48208″]The Marshal doesn’t call her ‘Kate’, he calls her ‘Austin’. She never knew Kates real name til the end.[/quote]
—- My bad, I know he used a name. So. They had Cassidy in custody and questioned for a half hour. They show her a photo Kate and ask “Have you seen this woman? Cassidy says “No – who is it?” They show Cassidy the “most wanted” poster of “Kate Austen” and release Cassidy with the caveat – call us if you see her. Now Cassidy knows its not “Lucy” she is dealing with. Stands to reason.
[quote comment=”48286″]Right, please bear with me here. This doesn’t exactly pertain to this episode but ever since Desmond and his flashback episode with the mad jeweller etc i’ve been sooo confused.
It just struck me today, MAYBE he did indeed get the opportunity to do it all over again (not a dream as suggested) and went for it in order to save everyone – SO when he went back and before he left for the second time, he left something for Penny to say what exactly was going to happen otherwise, how on earth would she have a chance of finding him and got her artic scientists or whatever they are onto the case? Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Also, I reckon since Cassidy did Kate the favour in this episode Kate decides to do Cassidy a return favour and turns Sawyer in – don’t know how or when, bearing in mind there’s a lot of flashbacks still to see – but I’ve just got a feeling about that – I’ve been mulling it over all day….
I think maybe Juliet has been cast out by the others – no way they won’t be back BTW – if they did really care about her, they wouldn’t have risked her being smoked by Smokey McSmokerson OR, they are indeed controlling smokey and they were just trying to frighten Kate into believing that Juliet was as scared as her and she (Juliet) is now in the same boat as them.
Hmmmm, so many questions! Love this show![/quote]
you should check out “Bruce’s Pendulum Theory.” it is a previous post on lost blog and along those same lines!
One of the most interesting things about the episode is Locke leaving. We probably wont see him for a couple of episodes. I think the writers did this so they could rethink his role and character. Midway through season 2 Locke lost a lot of his interesting qualities(always being right, philosohphical, emotionally strong) and I think the viewers were upset about this.
[quote comment=”48116″]Regarding Locke helping others,
[quote comment=”48044″]
Yes, not only did he help Charlie, he’s helped Michael’s kid with the dog, Claire, and a couple others I can’t think of. [/quote]
Moreover, when he helped find Vincent, he did so in a way that Michael received credit for doing so, to help out Michael and Walt’s relationship. Very unselfish if you ask me.[/quote]
Locke has proved to be the most selfish Lostie on the island since he has repeatedly sabotaged any real opportunity to communicate with the real world/get off the island for his own purposes because HE doesn’t want to leave. Blew up the flame, the sub, sabotaged the whole triangulation attempt in season one, etc.
Seriously, with friends like that…..
somehow I screwed up the quote feature above. my comment should read as follows:
Locke has proved to be the most selfish Lostie on the island since he has repeatedly sabotaged any real opportunity to communicate with the real world/get off the island for his own purposes because HE doesn’t want to leave. Blew up the flame, the sub, sabotaged the whole triangulation attempt in season one, etc.
Seriously, with friends like that…..
I still think Locke is one of the good guys. I think he believes the Island has a lesson to teach each of the Losties, something they are meant to discover about themselves and he doesn’t want anyone to leave until that happens. But maybe I’m just biased because I love the guy….
But Juliet awoke from a deep drug induced slumber with clear eyes, all faculties working with cat-like reflexes and the speed of mongoose (quote from Tommy Boy!).
That’s actually a quote from Ace Ventura 2: When Nature Calls
[quote comment=”48265″]Mark – Don’t know really. Actually Smokey on one occasion did attack Locke, he had him by the leg and started to pull him underground when someone used dynamite to save him. So I’m still confused on what Smokey’s motives are.[/quote]
Is my memory wrong when I think that in the episode you’re referring to, locke wanted to be dragged down by smokey? Wasn’t he a little mad that they saved him? Maybe smokey doesn’t kill everyone.
[quote comment=”48278″]may i say on the blast door in a few places it says Cerberal or sumat like that, that is a part of ur brain which stores memeorys’ of a sort (not exact info- along lines) so is cerebral smokey???[/quote]
– The thinking is that the blast door said ‘Cerberus’. Cerberus is a mythological (Greek) three-headed dog that guarded the gates (7) to the underworld – ala the tale Hercules, among other stories. Some argue that Cerberus not only prevented the good from going into the dark realm, it also stopped the underworld baddies from travelling to where the good (worldly) folks roamed.
– Looking at the blast door map you will see 4 locations marked as “C.V. 1” 2,3 & 4. The thought here is that CV stands for Cerberus Vent. The vent is where the smoke cloud comes to the surface to search/find good and evil-doers and either takes you to the underworld (if you belong there) or leave you (if you are essentially good). Remember when it dragged Locke to its hole (vent) – Locke said he was willing to go and wasn’t afraid! More advanced LOST theory writers suspect that there are more vents on the island that Cerberus uses, as the Swan Hatch was only the observations of a few folks, and the Greek myth was about 7 gates, not 4.
– Sidenote, the inverted Rosacrucian cross branded on Juliets back, also has the implication of the seven gates. The cross is an 8 armed cross. 7 arms are shorter than the eigth. The path to salvation is along the longer arm/path. The 7 shorter arms lead to the underworld – aka seven deadly sins.
[quote comment=”48300″][quote comment=”48265″]Mark – Don’t know really. Actually Smokey on one occasion did attack Locke, he had him by the leg and started to pull him underground when someone used dynamite to save him. So I’m still confused on what Smokey’s motives are.[/quote]
Is my memory wrong when I think that in the episode you’re referring to, locke wanted to be dragged down by smokey? Wasn’t he a little mad that they saved him? Maybe smokey doesn’t kill everyone.[/quote]
You’re right. In fact, I believe Locke said something to the effect of “Let go of me. I’ll be ok.” I think the whole underground ability of Smokey has something to do with its nature.
Also, to add to someone else’s comment about the meaning of Sayid: His name is Sayid Jarrah. There is an interesting entry on Lostpedia about it:
“Sayid (Arabic: سيد ) is a common Arabic name meaning ‘Master’ or ‘Lord’ (Also often used in the Arabic language as an honorary title for addressing respected people and those of higher positions, much like ‘Sir’ or ‘Mr.’ in English). However, Sayid, as pronounced in the show, sounds more like the Arabic name spelled Said (Arabic: سعيد ) which ironically means someone who is happy / cheerful and lucky in life.
Sayid’s surname, Jarrah (Arabic: جراØ), originally meant a ‘Cutter’ or a ‘Wounder’ in traditional Arabic, is currently the typical Arabic translation for the word ‘Surgeon’.”
Hmm…
I finally got the chance to watch last night’s episode thanks to my trusty DVR.
Overall, great episode!
My thoughts (I enjoy a list format):
1. I actually felt some sympathy for Juliette. She has been left behind. But I also question whether or not they did this intentionally to get one of the Others within the inner circle of the Losties. But, if we go with her actually being abandoned, I do feel bad for her. She has given up 3 years of her life and was promised she could go home by saving Ben’s life through Jack. She was betrayed.
2. I’m not all that interested in Locke and the Others. It does not surprise me that he went with them and I don’t really care where they went.
3. I enjoyed the sensitive theme to this episode. We find out Sawyer’s ex-girlfriend/con job and Kate teamed up together with some girl power! Sawyer is making amends on the island…to make up for conning the mother of his child? I also liked the effect of Sawyer holding Aaron while pregnant Sun looked on disapprovingly. Very cool.
4. Hurley is really funny at always wanting harmony with everyone and seems to really want Sawyer to be in the fold of everything.
5. Smokey is back with a vengeance. It really went after Kate and Juliette. But who did it want? I think Juliette. But I did not see any images in it while she was looking at it.
6. I got a bit confused about Kate and Juliette being handcuffed together. Were they both left in the jungle together and then Juliette handcuffed herself to Kate and feigned sleep?
7. Kate’s mother is a horrible woman. Very sad indeed.
8. Why did the Others put on gas masks if they threw the cannisters inside the houses and they were outside?
9. Kate knew there were cameras in the cages…why did she seem so shocked about it?
I think that’s all I have! Looking forward to reading the rest of the comments.
[quote comment=”48130″]Does anyone else feel that they got rid of the wrong characters?
Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby are gone but instead they keep Hurley?[/quote]
If you watch this show for the eye candy, you are missing out on all this show is. Pathetic.
[quote comment=”48268″]well guys,SPOILER ALERT
locke’s dad is the real Sawyer, damon lindelof has said that when the cooper-locke story is adressed again it leads up tu a super finale which will have sawyer included
the lost king[/quote]
YAH!!!!!!!! That means that my little theory about locke’s dad being the dude who conned Sawyer’s mom is right. I’m so happy!
i like the Oz idea Mr. Jones had…very intresting. 🙂
And I think it must really suck for Sawyer & Charlie now since Sun knows that it was really them who kidnapped her & not the others. It’s sort of like you’ll never get away with anything for to long or a reminder of how screwed up your life is.
Wow 200 posts and a great discussion. I am clearly working too many hours this week! I noticed a couple of things after watching twice last night.
1. Locke had a good sized shiner coming up on his left eye and I do not recall that being there prior to Ben taking him to meet TMFT. Was his talk with Kate scripted?
2. Ben is using Locke because he knows that Locke is closer to the island and its secrets.
3. The Others lived somewhere prior to the Dharma wars so they are probably going back there. They are willing to die rather than have people know about them and their island so it makes sense they are moving on to hide where they will not be found.
4. Rousseau will find them. The Others do not know she is there and she seems as stealthy as they are.
5. Juliet is for Juliet. I wouldn’t trust her for a minute but I am not so sure she has chosen sides. She will do what she needs to do for herself to survive.
6. The Others cannot possibly be good. They recruited Juliet because she was willing to break ethics rules. Heck they forced her recruitment by running down her ex with a bus and she went along with it!
7. The Others are hiding their actions because they are in some way reprehensible.
8. I am on the fence about their knowledge of Smokey. I think the sonic fence was bulit by the Dharma folks to keep Smokey out but I am guessing Smokey is eons old.
9. The banishment con was great but did you notice that Sawyer has just 3 days left to his ban on using nicknames? We have moved further down the timeline right? Usually 1 ep is 1 day but he lost the bet 2 eps ago right?
10. I was under the impression NO ONE could leave the island, Ben just wanted everyone to think they could.
11. Ben wants to keep Jack and Jules on the island – why? He needs a surgeon to replace Ethan but he clearly cannot trust Juliet. Perhaps he feels he can still manipulate her to his benefit and trust is not necessary?
12. I fear Locke will now be disappointed by Ben, I hope he wins this time with the island’s help.
i love this blog! ive learned so much from all of you! Two thumbs up!
BECKY, number 8 of your post asks why they put gas masks on. whether or not kate was drugged or gased(ithink it was gas) they put the masks on so they wouldnt be harmed when they went in and grabbed her, to put her and juliette in the woods. now whether or not juliette was in on it i dont know….
one more thing. remember when they took alexs boyfriend from that crazy room, watching those hypnotic videos? well we never found out what the were brainwashing him to think. and why was he on the others bad side anyways ( did i miss something?) so to get to my point, did they do this to jack too, and thats why he was so friendly with the others and is he on the others side now (or just juliettes)? i just dont know how i feel about him (jack) right now, i really think there is a strong possibiliy that he is somewhat working with the others. they couldve manipulated him/ brainwashed him into thinking he was actually saving everyone by helping the others. i dont know…… anythings possible, i just can stop thinking about this show. it makes me think, what did i do B4 LOST! lol
According to Locke, the smoke monster is the security system of the island. However, the Others have the fence as security from the smoke monster. Why? Probably because they don’t understand the smoke monster contrary to locke who amazingly understands it and says that its beautiful. Now, the fence is off because locke can control smokey.
When the smoke monster scanned juliet i think it was judging her or doing whatever it does to people, just as it did to eko, locke, etc… The others don’t understand smokey as well as the rest of the island, just as Ben told locke a couple of episodes ago.
Now that we know that Ben, Juliet, and the rest of the others are manipulation grandmasters, i think its safe to say that everything they do leads to some kind of manipulation.
1. Ben visiting the hatch was a giant plot to destroy the hatch for some reason unknown.
2. we already know that jack, sawyer, hurley, kate kidnapping, which originated from walt kidnapping, was a plot to get jack to operate on Ben.
3. Now juliet visits the losties in a giant plot to…. dont know yet. Will probably find out next week when there is a juliet flashback episode that tells us what the others purpose is on the island.
great episode!!!
[quote comment=”48320″]Wow 200 posts and a great discussion. I am clearly working too many hours this week! I noticed a couple of things after watching twice last night.
1. Locke had a good sized shiner coming up on his left eye and I do not recall that being there prior to Ben taking him to meet TMFT.[/quote]
When the sub blows up, Locke looks normal. When Ben and Richard go get him (handcuffed to some pipes), he does have a huge shiner. Very noticable in the last 5 minutes of the show.
I’m not sure I buy the whole “Kate is pregnant” theory. First, she would only be a week or so along, so it would be pretty difficult to tell- even for the Others. Second, if Juliette was to make sure the baby was OK, why would she be slamming Kate on the floor and kicking the crap out of her? Third, if you want a pregnancy to go well, you don’t gas/ drug the pregnant lady!
The Others just seem to smart to be risking her pregnancy if she was, in fact, expecting.
I immediately wondered why Jack was still unconscious…but again, if TIME is a variable here…this would be a clue.
As for Smokey not going up and over the fence…perhaps that wouldn’t really work. What I mean is, perhaps Mikhail didnt die, maybe the Others were watching and knew when to shut off the fence, and let Mikhail “pretend” to die. When the fence is truly on-perhaps you cannot climb over it.Maybe the fence doesn’t even work at all-maybe it is a decoy, and Mikhail faked his death, and Juliet knew it would be “off” cuz it always is, she faked a code, and Smokey was in on it. Maybe its a scare method the Others
use-and when it attacked Locke, it was trying to take him cuz he’s on this list-I mean it didnt kill him-just tried to take him with it. Although it did kill Eko, so maybe not.
What if the flashing from Smokey is a way of “analyzing” them. Maybe it checks to see if they’ve repented (as we keep theorizing this may be Smokey’s purpose). I find it very hard to believe that they looked Smokey in the face and he left them alone-surely it wasn’t
because it couldn’t get to them, bushes or not. Or maybe this, seeing as we haven’t seen the flashes on any of the losties, maybe it somehow communicates with the others-maybe it is controlled by them after all and the flashing was a signal to Juliet to come back to village.
Mr Jones-I wondered the same thing-how did Juliet know the fence was off? And why would she just have the handcuff key in her pocket. Even if she was placed in jungle-and her “story” is true-maybe she put the cuffs on herself and pretending to be unconscious-to keep kate with her? -I don’t think Kate is preg though, and Juliet knowing-Juliet wouldn’t have kicked her ass!
Perhaps the Others are testing the people who aren’t on the list. Maybe Juliet was testing Jack when she asked him to kill Ben to see if he was good/bad and would kill Ben, and perhaps she is testing Kate now, maybe they were testing Michael-and we all know what he did.
I firmly believe Juliet is a plant to get to the beach because of Sun’s pregnancy! If Juliet was NOT a plant-she would have suggested they stay there in the village she has called home for years now! She would not want to go live on a beach. SHE is such a plant!
When Kate asked Locke about Rousseau-he gave her a look, as if he knew something she didn’t…hmmm, maybe she IS an other or at least a banished other-afterall!
DocH-I think it was obvious she knew Lucy wasn’t her name-in the bar, she said you have to lie quicker when giving a fake name. The point at the end was that Kate trusted her enough to give her real name, even though they both already knew it-it was supposed to be like a moment.
Juliette – I just re-watched the season opener, and realized that when she is looking in the mirror at the start of her day, what I at first thought was sort of a smug smile now seems to me an inner struggle to put a positive face on and somehow get through her day in Otherville. Even the music is used to lift her spirits and put on a “happy face.” Juliette is manipulative, and will do anything – but I don’t think her motivation is that she supports whatever the Others’ agenda is – she’s doing it to get off the island. Not that I trust her! She could be working with them to monitor Kate in exchange for another chance to be set free…
Jack – I think is different. He’ll seem to go along with a plan, and we might wonder what his motivation is, but in the end I think he will always be plotting for him and his friends to get off the island. I do trust him.
Locke – I’m not sure. I didn’t think he really blew up the sub. True he’s subverted every chance they’ve had to contact the outside world or get off the island, but does he think he’s doing what’s best for everyone? I don’t know.
Smokey – Whats his motivation??!! I think he’s working for Jacob, and is at his beck and call. Maybe even the others don’t know that.
[quote comment=”48320″]Wow 200 posts and a great discussion. I am clearly working too many hours this week! I noticed a couple of things after watching twice last night.
10. I was under the impression NO ONE could leave the island, Ben just wanted everyone to think they could.[quote]
Leslie, the Others actually CAN come and go from the island as they please (via submarine)- until the “electromagnetic anomaly” wiped out their communication to the outside world. Apparently, though, once people enter the outside world, they MUST be able to communicate with the island in order to find its “location” to return. What Ben was implying that since all communication is down, if anyone leaves the island they will never be able to find its location (whether it be in space, time, whatever..) and will thus never be able to come back.
I just dont think Ben wanted the Others to know about this situation change since they would feel trapped.
Oops.. misquoted. Sorry about that.
Leslie, the Others actually CAN come and go from the island as they please (via submarine)- until the “electromagnetic anomaly†wiped out their communication to the outside world. Apparently, though, once people enter the outside world, they MUST be able to communicate with the island in order to find its “location†to return. What Ben was implying that since all communication is down, if anyone leaves the island they will never be able to find its location (whether it be in space, time, whatever..) and will thus never be able to come back.
I just dont think Ben wanted the Others to know about this situation change since they would feel trapped.
Two entities are running around the island. The black smoke cloud that attacks most anyone, and the entity we don’t see that runs you into a hiding place then looks at you shines bright light in your face and either takes you or leaves you based on the “content of your character” (good/bad). It may leave you alone because you are; good, not good enough, bad, not bad enough. Notice we never see the “leave you alone” entity – we only see from its’ point-of-view as it plows thru the jungle. Sure it sounds like the black cloud (attack) entity. Locke has seen both, the attack entity almost dragged him down one of its vents. In the first few S1 episodes we saw the less violent entity march thru the jungle at Locke and stare at him from on high over some trees. We all were thinking Polar Bear at that time, but never did see the entity and only saw Locke from the entity’s P-O-V. Locke reported back to the Losties that he had seen into the (heart?) of the island – or something to that effect.
Hurley’s Dad – thanks for the heads up regarding Locke’s shiner. Was his hand bandaged when he went to see TMFT as well? I guess I need to watch some more. (Damn tax season!!!) Also dragonfly, Mikhail tells the Losties that they can use the sub to leave but cannot return. However, Ben told Locke that the sub merely gave his people the illusion that they could leave. That is why I assume they cannot actually leave. I get the impression leave really means floating around in circles off the coast and I would bet that Michael and Walt are doing just that but only Ben knows it. Ben keeps critical information from his people as well as the Losties and he has manipulated his people into thinking that they can leave whenever they want. Regarding the sonic fence, the controls are inside the force field such that if everyone leaves the fence must remain un-armed. Perhaps the fence’s “force field” controls time somehow and that is why Smokey cannot breach it and Jack was still “out” when Kate and Jules arrived. Juliet spent 3 years with the Others and is aware of their MO. They disappear at will (the Staff hatch, the fake camp on the rocks). Question is do they time warp or just relocate? Regarding the pregnancy discussion, while I think it is entirely possible that Kate could wind up pregnant, isn’t it more likely the Others are still interested in Aaron? If the island manifests the desires of its inhabitants, the children may actually be dangerous to everyone. I expect the brainwashing room may have something to do with repression of such desires in order to limit the island’s manifestations.
I just wanted to post a link to one of the best blog/recap sites for Lost. It’s from the Houston Chronicle’s website. Be sure to check it out. It’s incredibly well-thought out and entertaining… Enjoy!
http://blogs.chron.com/tubular/archives/lost/
[quote comment=”48411″]Hurley’s Dad –
Also dragonfly, Mikhail tells the Losties that they can use the sub to leave but cannot return. However, Ben told Locke that the sub merely gave his people the illusion that they could leave. That is why I assume they cannot actually leave. …
Ben said that his people could not really leave the island SINCE the explosion. All communication had been cut off at that time, and it was no longer possible to leave the island. Ben had not told his people about this.
Another reason I don’t think Kate is knocked up (beside the ones I states earlier) is that we have not seen anyone get pregnant on the island. Don’t know if it is even possible. Also, with Juls on the island who is a fertility specialist, it seems rather odd that the Others would rely on Kate and Sawyer making a baby the old fashioned way. I would assume if they really wanted her pregnant they would have just knocked her out and Juliete would stick her with a needle like she did her sister.
I think it’s interesting that the 2 ppl that have killed someone on the island, get to go home. Michael, of course and Locke who pushed the “other” into the alarm system. Are there any other instances? Also, Juliet says to Sayid that he would want to kill her if she told him eveything……so he could go home?
Just a thought.
[quote comment=”48415″]I think it’s interesting that the 2 ppl that have killed someone on the island, get to go home. Michael, of course and Locke who pushed the “other” into the alarm system. Are there any other instances? Also, Juliet says to Sayid that he would want to kill her if she told him eveything……so he could go home?
Just a thought.[/quote]
Locke isn’t going home. He’s just going with the Others somewhere other than the barracks.
I have a couple of questions here.
1) Leslie – If the Others know about the Losties and they’ve only been there for what, 86 days, how could they not know about Danielle who’s been there for 16 years?
2) Was the dude with the patch the guy who’s wife was tortured by Sayied?
3) Who’s Jacob? Did I miss something?
4) And when Michael & Walt left didn’t Ben tell Michael that he won’t come back because then he’d have to tell what he did? Does that mean that they don’t need to communicate with the Others to find the island?
Please answer my questions! 🙂
Okay… so why is no one wondering was Juliette saw when ole smokie ‘flashed’ before her eyes.
She didnt say “what was that?” she said “who was that?”
[quote comment=”48417″]I have a couple of questions here.
1) Leslie – If the Others know about the Losties and they’ve only been there for what, 86 days, how could they not know about Danielle who’s been there for 16 years?
2) Was the dude with the patch the guy who’s wife was tortured by Sayied?
3) Who’s Jacob? Did I miss something?
4) And when Michael & Walt left didn’t Ben tell Michael that he won’t come back because then he’d have to tell what he did? Does that mean that they don’t need to communicate with the Others to find the island?
Please answer my questions! :)[/quote]
1. The losties arrival was very well annoucned by the plane breaking up in mid-air. All the Others could see it. Danielle, on the other hand, crashed on the island in a boat. Much less noticable. Though the Others could still know about her existence.
2. No
3. Others Boss type guy.
I don’t know about 4
Thanks Meg!!!!! I’m begining to change my mind about Kate being pregnant for the reason Juliette’s going back. I think it is probably cause they’re still interested in Aaron and Sun’s pregnancy is probably part of it.
Lesley, good point about kids’ manifestations being dangerous. Perhaps that is why Mrs Klugh was asking Michael about Walt and whether or not he had “powers”. – Let’s not forget comic book-polar bears, etc.
[quote comment=”48420″]Thanks Meg!!!!! I’m begining to change my mind about Kate being pregnant for the reason Juliette’s going back. I think it is probably cause they’re still interested in Aaron and Sun’s pregnancy is probably part of it.[/quote]
Also, to follow-up on Meg’s answers….
The Others probably do know about Danielle. If her story is correct, they stole Alex from her shortly after she was born.
You can read more about “Jacob” here: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob
Another instance of someone predicting a downpour one minute before it happens. This means something……..what?
[quote comment=”48418″]Okay… so why is no one wondering was Juliette saw when ole smokie ‘flashed’ before her eyes.
She didnt say “what was that?” she said “who was that?”[/quote]
The first time they heard it she said:
“What the hell is that?”
When they hid, she said “What the hell…” and Kate covered her mouth.
After the flashes she said “Are we safe?” Kate replied “You tell me.”
Later, Juliet says “Do you think it’s gone? Are we safe?”
That’s probably why no one is wondering why she said “who”.
Have we seen or heard from Karl (Alex’s boyfriend) since they got back to the big island and Sawyer let him go???
[quote comment=”48438″]Have we seen or heard from Karl (Alex’s boyfriend) since they got back to the big island and Sawyer let him go???[/quote]
Nope, and something tells me we’re not going to find out anything about him for a long while.
so we see that the monster cant get through whatever the others have as a “wall/fence”..so is there maybe 2 monsters bc there was one on the other island with the original losties..soooo its a little fishy that Juliet doesnt know what it is
they’re on the same island
Everyone is talking about kate being pregnant and Juliette being sent to make sure all goes well with that. However, do we not realize that the place takes place much slower than the real world (about a day every week), therefore, this would mean that she would be there “watching” after kate and sun until, about, season 14 or 15, doesn’t seem likely!
…to put it into perspective. If kate got knocked up the very day the plane crashed (3 years ago, our time) She would probably not even be showing by now!
just a thought!
Why don’t we let the Smokey in to the barracks, and then turn on the sonic fence. Then, for sure, the Smokey will be trapped in the barracks forever until someone let it out !
LOCKE GOING WITH THE OTHERS: In my opinion, Locke is/has been somewhat naive and easily fooled by people! (His “dad,” the cop at the commune, Ben) On the other hand, to my memory Sayid has only been fooled once – by the Iraqi restaurant owner. He correctly pegged Ben, Patchy, and knew when Michael had been “compromised.” So when he didn’t want Juliette to go with them, I am sure he is right that she is a bad apple. As far as Locke, I’m guessing he has been tricked by Ben into some nefarious scheme, who is making Locke think it’s noble and of course his own idea…remember how Alex warned that Ben has a way of “making people think its their own idea” when he was going to blow up the sub! I think Ben has his number bigtime!!
[quote comment=”48447″]Why don’t we let the Smokey in to the barracks, and then turn on the sonic fence. Then, for sure, the Smokey will be trapped in the barracks forever until someone let it out ![/quote]
Because according to someone else’s post, the control is on the inside. That would mean whoever traps Smokie inside is at its mercy.
[quote comment=”48447″]Why don’t we let the Smokey in to the barracks, and then turn on the sonic fence. Then, for sure, the Smokey will be trapped in the barracks forever until someone let it out ![/quote]
This is a cool idea.
Seems too simple
[quote comment=”48455″][quote comment=”48447″]Why don’t we let the Smokey in to the barracks, and then turn on the sonic fence. Then, for sure, the Smokey will be trapped in the barracks forever until someone let it out ![/quote]
Because according to someone else’s post, the control is on the inside. That would mean whoever traps Smokie inside is at its mercy.[/quote]
They could just set up a ladder to climb back over from the inside.
We see ole smokey “scan” Juliet. We know Locke has been up close and personal with smokey, and is not afraid of it. The others say Locke is good. Is smokey the decider of good and evil? And does it no who is an other or not?
[quote comment=”48439″][quote comment=”48438″]Have we seen or heard from Karl (Alex’s boyfriend) since they got back to the big island and Sawyer let him go???[/quote]
Nope, and something tells me we’re not going to find out anything about him for a long while.[/quote]
Do you think Karl’s dead? The Others haven’t really seemed to happy with him – running away at the begining of the season, locking him up in that room watching the movie with the volume up to loud.
What about Juliet’s judo skills? Kate tried to cold-cock her in the opening moments of Left Behind with a pool cue. Juliet snagged the stick and reversed arm flipped Kate to the ground… you don’t get game like that in fertility specialist school (do you)? Maybe in Other indoc-school… kind of like the Marines with Baton sticks. Those were obviously stunt doubles, but WOW! I never thought Juliet had the cajones, and I tought Kate did. I can’t wait until they do ‘Mortal Combat’ over Jack. BTW Sater/Jater is really JacKat/SawKat (jacket/socket).
[quote comment=”48459″]We see ole smokey “scan” Juliet. We know Locke has been up close and personal with smokey, and is not afraid of it. The others say Locke is good. Is smokey the decider of good and evil? And does it no who is an other or not?[/quote]
There are two smokeys. One we see (dark smokey) and one we don’t (nicer smokey). We never see nice smokie, we only see what is happening from nice smokies point of view. We never saw the entity that came at night, into the tree trunk fort that Juliet & Kate were hiding-in… we only saw its charge through the forest from its’ ‘gods eye view’. Nice smokie doesn’t always, if ever, take people. Black smokie almost always kills people (exception: when Locke was almost dragged down a vent and Jack helped pull him out in S1/earlyS2.)
Could ben be jacks father? i don’t know, random thought.
I’ve changed my thoughts on Juliet. I was feeling that she was left behind by the others, but everything is far too coincidental. Having the handcuff keys, knowing the fence was off, knowing when they got back to otherville that Jack and Sayid would still be there, but not mentioning Locke? She must have known Locke was going with the others.
I think it would be really cool if Jack was playing Juliet to some level of comfort and trust, and just when they arrive back to the beach, he says OK Sayid, she’s all yours, and I want answers.
Although I was hoping that she was going to be good, I just do not think that is going to happen.
I also have a strange feeling that Juliet is going to have some connection with Jack’s father during her pre-island days.
As Eko said, seems like Kate and Julliette are next … haha !!
[quote comment=”48518″]I’ve changed my thoughts on Juliet. I was feeling that she was left behind by the others, but everything is far too coincidental. Having the handcuff keys, knowing the fence was off, knowing when they got back to otherville that Jack and Sayid would still be there, but not mentioning Locke? She must have known Locke was going with the others.
I think it would be really cool if Jack was playing Juliet to some level of comfort and trust, and just when they arrive back to the beach, he says OK Sayid, she’s all yours, and I want answers.
Although I was hoping that she was going to be good, I just do not think that is going to happen.
I also have a strange feeling that Juliet is going to have some connection with Jack’s father during her pre-island days.[/quote]
Great point about Juliet not mentioning Locke – I do think she will play both sides to get what she wants, who knows where she’ll come out. Love the thought that there will be a connection with Jack’s dad – more likely if he has a Dharma connection.
I was wondering about all those gas masks when all they were doing was throwing cannisters into houses – could they have been getting ready for their escape tunnel? All the others disappeared into thin air (according to Sayid) so maybe some of those tunnels are unsafe. Could they be worried about the sickness?
[quote comment=”48528″]…I was wondering about all those gas masks when all they were doing was throwing cannisters into houses – could they have been getting ready for their escape tunnel? [/quote]
everyone donned a gas mask AND everyone shouldered a hunting rifle. Why the rifles? Fighting another group of folks? Folks from within the barracks or folks not from the barracks, or protection from bears during surface travel. If they can raise/lower the fence, do they need escape tunnels? I’m not saying they don’t have tunnels, escape or otherwise, but rifles make more sense on the surface – unless the giant hampsters have taken over the underground …hmmm.
may i say, considering jack is now useless to the others, remember expos’e, paulo sees ben n juliet in the pearl, but the beechcraft auint fell yet, meanin its befoe episode of hearts n minds, meanin how could ben know that michael wud help get jack, he hadnt even kidnapped walt yet, was this a HUGE long con, n also i feel for juliet, she gets treated like rubbish, u can see in not in portland wen alpert is showing her that womb she’s a nice person, but the others have made her tu faced , she will change, have faith
[quote comment=”48417″]I have a couple of questions here.
1) Leslie – If the Others know about the Losties and they’ve only been there for what, 86 days, how could they not know about Danielle who’s been there for 16 years?
2) Was the dude with the patch the guy who’s wife was tortured by Sayied?
3) Who’s Jacob? Did I miss something?
4) And when Michael & Walt left didn’t Ben tell Michael that he won’t come back because then he’d have to tell what he did? Does that mean that they don’t need to communicate with the Others to find the island?
Please answer my questions! :)[/quote]
1-we dont no that the others dont no about her, they may no all about her, we just havent got tu that stage yet,
2-i highly doubt patchy (mikhail) is the real henry gale as on the drivers license u can cleary see a black man
3-jacob has been mentioned in ”i do” and ”not in portland”, this evidence does not say he is there leader, but it implys it, but damon lindelof (script writer) has confirmed he is the magnificent man who brought them there
4-well i guess if desmond and rousseau found the island without communtications then you can get there without communications, but i guess wen the button was not pushed the sky turnin purple did sumat, hence the mad luk on ben’s face at the pala ferry
The lost king, i dont understand what you wrote, it kinda makes sense, and it sounds like a good thought, but just a little uncomprehendable.
[quote comment=”48231″]”
UthaOne wrote:
“And I doubt the sub was the only way off the island. They must have boats to spare, otherwise they wouldn’t have given one away to the betrayer.â€
When they left the other Island the whole lot of them were on a fairly big boat.
If they left the island, why would Locke say he didn’t want to leave the island as if he – well – wasn’t leaving the island? Couldn’t they have just left the camp for another location on or under the island?”
I meant that they used a big boat to get from the small Island back to the big one.[/quote]
well listen tu this, on the pearl vidoe mark wickmund mentions after yur 21 day shift u will report back to the pala ferry and make yur way to the barracks from ther, so the barracks wer a dharma creation, so since the others wer there WAY b4 dharma, they have homes alredy, but after the purge they took the barracks and the pala ferry and the rest ov the sytuff frm dharma, and i wanna no aswell why they cant use the ”elizabeth” boat that des n libby had tu leave, n all those mini boats aswell, ahhh, jus got it, they can leave, but not cum bac coz the emmitter giudes the sub’s back, so they can go but not cum bac, n i guess ben wont wannna lose the guys whu can use a boat, coz wen they take sum1 home, they cant get bac, so it makes sense, hope i heloped
[quote comment=”48586″]The lost king, i dont understand what you wrote, it kinda makes sense, and it sounds like a good thought, but just a little uncomprehendable.[/quote]
lol, john locke, well im a bit complicated sumtimes, but i guess time will onli reveal all those answers
2 Questions:
1) There are 2 smokeys?
2) If there’s a disease you get on the island how come the French chick, the Others, and the Losties haven’t gotten it?
Y’all seem SOOOO much smarter than me. I love this blog!!!!!
the lost king- maybe you just type top fast, and u dont look over it b4 you submit it, lol. because i always have to read your posts like 3 times before i get it, lol. but good input 🙂
Sayid really doesn’t want Juliette to come with them and is going to end up interrogating her next week. The first time he interrogated Sawyer he was really p.o.ed at himself and ran away and ended up getting tortured himself by Danielle (where the hell is she?). If he was so mad at himself over torturing somebody again, Why the hell does he keep doing it?
lost chicka- because thats what he does, hes a torturer!
[quote comment=”48603″]Sayid really doesn’t want Juliette to come with them and is going to end up interrogating her next week. The first time he interrogated Sawyer he was really p.o.ed at himself and ran away and ended up getting tortured himself by Danielle (where the hell is she?). If he was so mad at himself over torturing somebody again, Why the hell does he keep doing it?[/quote]
well i think he’s a bit of a hypoircryte, coz he seys he will neva torture agen but wat duz sayid du?? torture, but kelvin did tell him ”whenever you need to know something, you got your answer” and he is the only flamin dude whu asks Q’s, and usualy gets A’s
[quote comment=”48601″]the lost king- maybe you just type top fast, and u dont look over it b4 you submit it, lol. because i always have to read your posts like 3 times before i get it, lol. but good input :)[/quote]
why thanks john, yer i type pretty fast, coz like us all i hav so much to chat bout, its bloody insane, also just outta interest, hu thinks miss burke is a plant, seems harmless
Lost King, are you from Great Britain and are you typing in a kind of dialect? Read out loud it sort of sounds like that, and not many Americans actually say Bloody. Anyway I like your ideas and I have really enjoyed this blog.
OK, so i’m thinking….I think the others are maybe on route to the beach. They had gas masks on because they were going to drag Kate out of the pool hall, and didn’t want to be exposed to gas. BUT-why the rifles? and so many? I think they are going towards the Losties. Obviously Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Juliet will get there first and mingle-and maybe the Others will “watch” like they’ve done before. We know they are good at hiding in woods, we’ve seen it before. Just a thought.
We were told, afterall, that the Losties will prove in the next few weeks how they are even more BAD than we thought….so they aren’t gone. They didn’t just go off to live somewhere else-I think they are on the prowl!
[quote comment=”48619″]Lost King, are you from Great Britain and are you typing in a kind of dialect? Read out loud it sort of sounds like that, and not many Americans actually say Bloody. Anyway I like your ideas and I have really enjoyed this blog.[/quote]
yer im a brit, lol, n i watched expose cuple mins ago (agen) wen ben n juliet go in the pearl u can hear
ben:who left this open?
juliet:tom was down here cuple days ago
ben:cover it up with th plane
so the plane had fallen paulo’s second time cuming down, and they DID have michale, SORRY
may i add–> the smoke may NOT be a dharma creation, everyone assumes since its not the others monster, dharma made it, maybe it is fact what brought them there, becoz in lindelof’s podcast he seys the button didnt crash them, maybe locke’s right, it was the smoke, noing they had tu solve things, so it pulled em down or had sumat tu du with it, maybe whoever buoilt that foot statue, made the smoke
The black smoke / smokey could be the work of Dharma… not sure of the significance but let’s not forget that “The Dharma Initiative” had a purpose on this island, separate from that of the Others.
There are so many people on this show. Admittedly I am a General Hospital junkie so I automatically am conditioned to assume everyone is related by blood, adoption, infidelity, rape, murder, con, etc.
Sayid is my favorite character – I cannot wait for him to rip apart Juliet (she reminds me of Ann Coulter). Sayid is a great interrogator but let’s remember when he interrogated Ben – and how well Ben was conditioned to respond. All of the Others have legit stories and I expect Juliet to be just as convincing a liar in dialogue with Sayid. I cannot wait for this.
Re: Pregnancies… What’s the point? To breed more Others? Baby Claire, Sun & Kate…
Re: The black smoke – maybe it’s the creation of Dharma. Let’s forget the Dharma Initiative had a purpose on this island.
Re: Nikki, who was Zuckerman’s widow, or children? Back to General Hospital… it has to be someone !
Re: Locke – I cannot figure this man out. Do we know FOR SURE that he was still handicapped while boarding the plane, or was he riding the wave for a first class seat? I just don’t understand how “The Island” cured him… as for his father, he was definitely in the tail section.
Thoughts:
– There is NO WAY locke’s evil dad was on the plane.
– Thanks my brittish friend Lost King and john locke for your thoughts on why Sayid, my favorite guy on the show, keeps on torturing people.
– I really don’t think Kate’s pregnant anymore cause the Others definitely wouldn’t be drugging and beating her up with a pool stick (show u how much I know about pool), and it would be to early in the pregnancy to even tell since it’s supposed to be only what? 3 days after her & Sawyer did the do.
– I think Juliette & friends only want to get Sun’s baby & Aaron. And cause problems.
Q: We still don’t know if Sun’s preg. with Jin’s baby right?
[quote comment=”48593″]2 Questions:
1) There are 2 smokeys?
2) If there’s a disease you get on the island how come the French chick, the Others, and the Losties haven’t gotten it?
Does anybody know the answeres????????
i dont think there is a disease on the island. i mean when did we hear about that? wasnt it when desmond was in the hatch with the other dude, and he said there was a disease just to prevent desmond from leaving the hatch, so he(the other guy) could find away to leave the island? am i wrong?
also lost chica- good point about about them beating kate up, i mean they wouldnt hurt her if that was the case. they would help her to make sure the baby was delivered properly. if in fact they planned the whole pregnancy thing/ so therefore i dont think kate is prego
speaking of women who are carrying Sawyer’s baby…we have Carrie, maybe Kate – what about Sun? She was “kidnapped” and blacked out for a while, then next thing you know, she’s pregnant. Jin is supposedly sterile (though maybe the island has cured him), or maybe the baby is that other Korean guy’s baby, the one she was having an affair with. Or, maybe Sawyer raped her while she was out. He doesen’t seem like a rapist, but I guess you never know. Or maybe Charlie did it. He was/is a druggie and all. Or, maybe an Other raped her…something tells me that baby is NOT Jin’s!!
Cakey- i seriously doubt, actually i know sun was not raped. lol. i mean some things come out of left feild on this show, but raped…seriously. thats just absurd!
[quote comment=”48650″]Thoughts:
– There is NO WAY locke’s evil dad was on the plane.
– Thanks my brittish friend Lost King and john locke for your thoughts on why Sayid, my favorite guy on the show, keeps on torturing people.
– I really don’t think Kate’s pregnant anymore cause the Others definitely wouldn’t be drugging and beating her up with a pool stick (show u how much I know about pool), and it would be to early in the pregnancy to even tell since it’s supposed to be only what? 3 days after her & Sawyer did the do.
– I think Juliette & friends only want to get Sun’s baby & Aaron. And cause problems.
Q: We still don’t know if Sun’s preg. with Jin’s baby right?[/quote]
well i think that locke’s dad bein on a plane is a possibility, but we dont hav enuf evidence for that, and why did ben tell locke he was coming for him back in season 2 in the hatch wen he was cumin for jack kate n sawyer, well it was a huge plot, but was it just a mind game
and i dont think kate is pregnant, kate is cleary a character who should be running around shooting people and getting in lots of adventures and to make her pregnant would be a waste of character. we dont want claire’s storyline repeated on sun, so if kate was in fact pregenant it wud b 1-a waste of a good character to see her stay at camp and do nuthin
2-repeatin old storylines and wearing them out
and guys, lighten up on juliet, am i the only one who feels for her, watch not in portland, her flashbacks-she is so innocent, all she wants to dois get away from her ex-husband and help her sister raise her soon to b born child, but the others hav made her a bit two faced and onnoxious, she gets trampled on every time, its sad for her, she is a great character who has lots more to bring to the show
and i have heard that in the season finale sun will find out hu’s kid it is but in D.O.C episode in a cuple week Jinn will find out, so im guessin juliet may tell whu’s it is, considerin the others do hav the big book of everything
and sum1 answer y ben sed he was cumin for locke, but that wasnt adressed in the huge mindgames in TMFT-locke ep.
and also why cant smokey fly over the fence, and i think it travels underground
[quote comment=”48664″]speaking of women who are carrying Sawyer’s baby…we have Carrie, maybe Kate – what about Sun? She was “kidnapped” and blacked out for a while, then next thing you know, she’s pregnant. Jin is supposedly sterile (though maybe the island has cured him), or maybe the baby is that other Korean guy’s baby, the one she was having an affair with. Or, maybe Sawyer raped her while she was out. He doesen’t seem like a rapist, but I guess you never know. Or maybe Charlie did it. He was/is a druggie and all. Or, maybe an Other raped her…something tells me that baby is NOT Jin’s!![/quote]
erm cakey, a bit farfethced for my liking, y wud sawyer rape an unconscious woman whus husband is kinda his mate, after all wen charlie bagged her head he let her go wen sawyer AND kate saved her, meanin sawyer cudnt hav had al.one time with her, and raping wasnt in his days duties, his duties wer gettin the guns from mr locke and mr shepard. but its an intreging thoery, but i just think sawyer duznt need 2 rape sum1 for no reasons at all, and the day before that wen jinn came back frm the tailes, jinn and sun had sex and hurley sees them and puts his thumbs up to jinn, so mayb the island did cure jinn, but apperntly rose isnt cured by the island, so if jinn isnt, that would really make locke the heart of lost wudnt it, coz ben hasnt been healed yet has he, and locke healed super kwik from the blast doors
[quote comment=”48651″][quote comment=”48593″]2 Questions:
1) There are 2 smokeys?
2) If there’s a disease you get on the island how come the French chick, the Others, and the Losties haven’t gotten it?
Does anybody know the answeres????????[/quote]
1-well maybe not 2 smokeys, maybe they can multiply and then go back together as 1??
2-well according to danielle’s paperwork and transmissions that french people have even cleary translated she claims to sey the others have got the disease and thats why she never sees them, so she duznt get it, but i think the disease is a possibilty, after the purge (when all the others who danielle thinks has the disease were exposed to the rest of the island) the initiative put quarrantine signs up, probably actually believing the hostiles DID have a disease. but this disease is to complicated to go into to be onest, i think it is a season 4 story, wen we hav our danielle flashbacks, and hu herd theyre makin a movie goin tu cinemas of lost. meant tu cum out in 2010, after 5 seasons
When locke came in to talk with kate (Left Behind) his right hand was bandaged. I do not think anyone has noted that here. Any idea how this happened? Does this represent anything that is of interest?
[quote comment=”48715″]When locke came in to talk with kate (Left Behind) his right hand was bandaged. I do not think anyone has noted that here. Any idea how this happened? Does this represent anything that is of interest?[/quote]
wel i dunno lost tony, he was chained to that poll hanging off in the cell wen richard and ben came, so mayb his hands wer hurtin. after all he was holding himself up with handcuffs, so it will have left a nasty mark wuddnt it
i was just watching the episode when Mr ekko dies. and when he dies he apparently says, your next. however we never hear him say that we just trust that locke was telling the truth. but what if he just made that up? i think its definately possible, but why would locke lie? whats with this man. and what is he doing now?
[quote comment=”48732″]i was just watching the episode when Mr ekko dies. and when he dies he apparently says, your next. however we never hear him say that we just trust that locke was telling the truth. but what if he just made that up? i think its definately possible, but why would locke lie? whats with this man. and what is he doing now?[/quote]
well i have watched the cost of living ep few days ago and mr eko duz apperntly sey your next, but what does your next actually mean? your dead next?? waht duz it mean? and i think locke wouldnt lie becoz in FBYE the desmond ep he seys the camp has seen 2 many deaths so tehy shud bury eko here, so y wud he put fear into des,sayid,nikki,paulos hearts?? maybe eko did mean theyre next as nikki and paulo did die, maybe he saw it in the smoke, maybe desmond will die in an ironic twist saving charlie, mayb sayid will die for sum reason? or mayb he had finally found peace within himself wen he told yemmii he was not sorry for waht he has dun, u cud call closure, and mayb he new locke wud get closure with his dad so he was seyin your next to get closure john to LOCKE, as the stick did sey lift up your eyes and lool north JOHN. eko and john’s bond was to tite for it tu mean anythin els
u like thaT??
Lost king i just watched that episode, and rewound it several times, we never hear mr ekko say anything, thats why sayid asks john what did he say? and then john says, your next. we (the audience) never hear him say anything! watch that part again, and you will see. i dont even think this has any revealence to the story line anyways. but it was just an observation.
[quote comment=”48741″]Lost king i just watched that episode, and rewound it several times, we never hear mr ekko say anything, thats why sayid asks john what did he say? and then john says, your next. we (the audience) never hear him say anything! watch that part again, and you will see. i dont even think this has any revealence to the story line anyways. but it was just an observation.[/quote]
well john locke i ahve just watched and it seems u are right, wat this cud mean i dont no, but considering its been brought up twice now (the second time with hurley at nikki paulo burial) mayb this means it has sum relevance, but ur right, eko nevere seys enythin, mayb locke wanted tu stir truble within camp , but i dunno, its well worth bringin it up thou, i dunno, any mor thoughts on this??
oh, and also if we never hear anythin y duz sayid ask what he sed, did sayid hear it, or did the producers want it tu b inaudiable
When Ecko dies and he says “you’re next” according to Locke, did he mean You’re next to get killed by Smokey? Or maybe that disease the Others apparently have?
[quote comment=”48745″]oh, and also if we never hear anythin y duz sayid ask what he sed, did sayid hear it, or did the producers want it tu b inaudiable[/quote]
Or maybe Sayid didn’t believe what he heard.
[quote comment=”48752″][quote comment=”48745″]oh, and also if we never hear anythin y duz sayid ask what he sed, did sayid hear it, or did the producers want it tu b inaudiable[/quote]
Or maybe Sayid didn’t believe what he heard.[/quote]
interesting theory- like it, well im guessin its a season 4 story line guys
[quote comment=”47977″]lame episode. Nothing really happened[/quote]
how the bloody hell can yu sey it was lame seamus, it was quality, it had twists and turns in, it had locke in, and also it gave us a huge question tu ask, is juliet a plant, coz thats whats all on our minds, + they now have anuther juliet flashback story wiv her dislocated shoulders, it has opened up the rest of the season on the beach, also smokey returened
I can type 95 words a minute, and it doesn’t come out garbled. Lost King – could you possibly do something to make reading your posts not quite so uncomfortable?
Oh, well.
Was that off-topic? May a smoke monster haunt my dreams.
I like the idea of “You’re next” not necessarily meaning “you’re next to die.” Perhaps it is to John and it means “You’re next to be tested.” Given John’s journey to the “box” with the Others and the appearance of his father, it seems likely that test will be whether he can break free of his father, both in John renouncing his anger and his need for his father’s love.
One way it might go down: John has the option of killing his father, doesn’t, takes him back to camp, Sawyer recognizes the elder Sawyer, kills him.
2 cents worth:
1 cent is Juliette is NOT a plant she is just trying to get home. The smoke monster is faking the attack on Juliette and is controlled by the relocated Ben and crew.
2nd cent Paulikki will return as they are rescued through an underground system of tunnels that will become season 4. Sorry if this is a spoiler!
[quote comment=”48782″]2 cents worth:
1 cent is Juliette is NOT a plant she is just trying to get home. The smoke monster is faking the attack on Juliette and is controlled by the relocated Ben and crew.
2nd cent Paulikki will return as they are rescued through an underground system of tunnels that will become season 4. Sorry if this is a spoiler![/quote]
erm you have just disobeyed the rules, lol, but in the promo you hear that the guy says 1 person dies, so i am assuming that one dies and one lives, and they get the diamonds, also for those who complain about my typing its probably because of my vocabulary because im a brit, i dont talk like all of you, but i hope you understand this a bit betterlol no worries though
Expose defined…
1. An exposure or a revelation of something discreditable.
I think extending the backstory of Nikki/Paulo was secondary to giving us another look at early island events. They didn’t use original footage in most of those flashbacks. The cut new scenes–critical early scenes–and I think we were supposed to pick up on “an exposure or a revelation of something discreditable.”
[quote comment=”48762″]I can type 95 words a minute, and it doesn’t come out garbled. Lost King – could you possibly do something to make reading your posts not quite so uncomfortable?
Oh, well.
Was that off-topic? May a smoke monster haunt my dreams.[/quote]
Thank you! Yes, please Lost King, I beg of you, learn how to spell!!!! And punctuate!!! I can barely read what you write, which is unfortunate because I think you have some good ideas.
Just wanted to comment on the Kate w/child debate. I can buy that she may not be preg. but not ’cause Juliet whipped her ass. If someone tries to knock your head into left field with pool que…you just might defend yourself…no? Gimmie somthing better.
[quote comment=”48799″]Just wanted to comment on the Kate w/child debate. I can buy that she may not be preg. but not ’cause Juliet whipped her ass. If someone tries to knock your head into left field with pool que…you just might defend yourself…no? Gimmie somthing better.[/quote]
hammer you are right, she was trying to defend herself, but how about the fact that the gases her. they wouldnt do that if they were using her a test subject (or whatever). also they wouldve put her up in a house and treated her better so she would want to stay, like they did with claire.
also about the “youre next” thing, i think he was definately directing that towards locke. not nikkki and paulo. i dont think it has to do with death, it has to deal with facing your past.
lol, now im writing like lost king,the second line of my comment meant to read, they gased her
My Thoughts:
– Who cares how lost king writes? Is this english class? I don’t think so.
– yah, I think the “You’re next” thing was for Locke
– I really hope that Sawyer ends up getting revenge with Locke’s dad, if he is, er, Sawyer.
– There isn’t any way, even on the magical island full of people who should’ve brought shampoo & body wash on the plane with them, that Nikki &/or Paulo is still alive
– Is Rose still on the island? I’ve almost forgotten about her.
– I don’t like Juliette & still think she’s a plant. I don’t care how much crap she gets from anybody she obviously can’t be trusted. Not even the people who’ve lived with her for 3 years trust/like her apparently. If she isn’t (which I think is bull) she’s using Jack, and I think Sayid should beat the crap out of her. Sorry, that’s just what I think.
– If Locke is stupid enough to fall for his Dad’s cons again and is a big enough idiot to trust him again even though he has repeatedly gotten into trouble for doing it (ex. getting pushed out a window, losing his girlfriend), I won’t feel sorry for him.
– Does Jin or Sun or Charlie have an episode coming up anytime soon? I’ve practically forgotten about them too.
I just read my comment. I sound kinda mean. I promise I’m really nice!
Lost King- It’s not your brit vocabulary, but your spelling and grammar. (sorry, but first hand knowledge tells me your spelling is not british)
“You’re next” comment-
-maybe next to come to peace with his past
-realize that acceptence is more imporatant than forgiveness
-understand that you can not expect to get from others that which you want (he may never get an apology or explanation from dear ol’ dad, but he should not need it)
oh yea i meant to mention this earlier. now who knows if it has any meaning but Kate’s car’s license plate said Missouri 4ON DVB . i noticed while watching it, it seemed as if it was shown for A reason. who knows anyone have any thoughts on this??
[quote comment=”48848″]oh yea i meant to mention this earlier. now who knows if it has any meaning but Kate’s car’s license plate said Missouri 4ON DVB . i noticed while watching it, it seemed as if it was shown for A reason. who knows anyone have any thoughts on this??[/quote]
alright, im getting pretty pissed of with all this about how i write, it seems a bit stupid when we have bloody smoke monsters,murdering security systems,a group of scientists who were killed by the hostiles. Why the hell are you all going on at my writing when we are here for LOST not grammar school. So thanks to you lovely people, i have aknowledged my writing is atroshious but who cares. and to the comment about the license plate, im guessin it doesnt have any big meaning towards the show, but i was watchin every man for himself last night and i was wondering if anyone has an idea that when Sawyer was in jail, how many years before the crash was that, just tryin tu understand how old clementine is
The lost king, lol, dw bout the writing
hmmm about the license plate…4ON…could be interpreted as the word “foreign”, don’t you think? Could be just a license plate, but with Lost, you never know.
[quote comment=”48895″]hmmm about the license plate…4ON…could be interpreted as the word “foreign”, don’t you think? Could be just a license plate, but with Lost, you never know.[/quote]
gud ideaq bobby, but i doubt it means anythin, but whu thinks thatnikki n paulo did survibe
Re: “You’re next”….
Damon and Carlton discussed this in a podcast from last fall. Basically, they said Eko DID say “You’re next”, but they don’t say what the exact meaning is. You can read their conversation here: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast_transcript/November_06%2C_2006
and Locke
[quote comment=”48877″]
…. but i was watchin every man for himself last night and i was wondering if anyone has an idea that when Sawyer was in jail, how many years before the crash was that, just tryin tu understand how old clementine is
[/quote]
Kate killed her step father in 2001, and she went to visit her mother who was dying in the hospital in 2002, so she must have met Cassidy somewhere in between those 2 events. When Cassidy visited Sawyer in prison it was 2002, and in the pictureof Clementine she showed Sawyer, Cassidy was a few months old. So probably Clementine was born in late 2001 or early 2002.
[quote comment=”48788″]Expose defined…
1. An exposure or a revelation of something discreditable.
I think extending the backstory of Nikki/Paulo was secondary to giving us another look at early island events. They didn’t use original footage in most of those flashbacks. The cut new scenes–critical early scenes–and I think we were supposed to pick up on “an exposure or a revelation of something discreditable.”[/quote]
The producers said that they used a combination of new footage and old footage in “Expose”, digitally inserting Nikki, Paolo, etc into the old footage.
[quote comment=”48902″][quote comment=”48877″]
…. but i was watchin every man for himself last night and i was wondering if anyone has an idea that when Sawyer was in jail, how many years before the crash was that, just tryin tu understand how old clementine is
[/quote]
Kate killed her step father in 2001, and she went to visit her mother who was dying in the hospital in 2002, so she must have met Cassidy somewhere in between those 2 events. When Cassidy visited Sawyer in prison it was 2002, and in the pictureof Clementine she showed Sawyer, Cassidy was a few months old. So probably Clementine was born in late 2001 or early 2002.[/quote]
thanks so she is around two or three, thnx for clearin that up
[quote comment=”48821″][quote comment=”48799″]Just wanted to comment on the Kate w/child debate. I can buy that she may not be preg. but not ’cause Juliet whipped her ass. If someone tries to knock your head into left field with pool que…you just might defend yourself…no? Gimmie somthing better.[/quote]
hammer you are right, she was trying to defend herself, but how about the fact that the gases her. they wouldnt do that if they were using her a test subject (or whatever). also they wouldve put her up in a house and treated her better so she would want to stay, like they did with claire.
[/quote]
She may not be preg. But, the writers went through a big to do about Ben manipulating Kate into “mating” with Sawyer (with a fert. doctor in tow) for nothing?
Hammer – I simply see the “mating” set-up as part of the manipulation of Jack. They let him witness Kate and Sawyer cuddling, and after seeing that Jack agreed to operate on Ben.
I realize that this is a bit off topic, but I don’t know where else to post it. I think that the writers have all seen a movie called, “What the Bleep do we know?” It’s about the extremely theoretical side of quantum physics. If you can believe that it is science, then there is a scientific explanation for everything that happens on the island.
[quote comment=”48914″]Hammer – I simply see the “mating” set-up as part of the manipulation of Jack. They let him witness Kate and Sawyer cuddling, and after seeing that Jack agreed to operate on Ben.[/quote]
well in ep 1 season 3 ben and kate have dinner on beach. she says ”wheres SAWYER and jack” or sumat like that. and ben asks y she sed sawyer first, maybe this is y they put her wiv sawyer n not jack.
and jack did waht they wanted, so got a ticket home (well was gunnah)
locke blew the sub up and got mr cooper
maybe sawyer wudda dun waht they eventually asked he wudda found the real sawyer (cooper\)
and kate found out whu she actually wants
thats y they take people, to test them probs
[quote comment=”48826″]My Thoughts:
– yah, I think the “You’re next” thing was for Locke
– I really hope that Sawyer ends up getting revenge with Locke’s dad, if he is, er, Sawyer.
– There isn’t any way, even on the magical island full of people who should’ve brought shampoo & body wash on the plane with them, that Nikki &/or Paulo is still alive
– Is Rose still on the island? I’ve almost forgotten about her.
– I don’t like Juliette & still think she’s a plant. I don’t care how much crap she gets from anybody she obviously can’t be trusted. Not even the people who’ve lived with her for 3 years trust/like her apparently. If she isn’t (which I think is bull) she’s using Jack, and I think Sayid should beat the crap out of her. Sorry, that’s just what I think.
– If Locke is stupid enough to fall for his Dad’s cons again and is a big enough idiot to trust him again even though he has repeatedly gotten into trouble for doing it (ex. getting pushed out a window, losing his girlfriend), I won’t feel sorry for him.
– Does Jin or Sun or Charlie have an episode coming up anytime soon? I’ve practically forgotten about them too.[/quote]
*I agree “you’re next” was for John Locke only.
*Whoever kills Lockes dad is fine with me it’s time for a little justice. But if Locke wusses out again…well I will have no sympathy for him.
*Nikki & Paolo must stay dead I do not think they are coming back- but with Lost who really knows.
*Rose and Bernard are somewhere on the beach still. It would be nice to see them again.
*I REALLY dislike Juliette right now, because she was OBVIOULY set up to ‘tag’ along. It wasn’t as smooth as when Benry was caught-but then Ben is the mother of all lying manipulators. Juliette is still learning. I can’t feel any sympathy for her situation regardless of how long she has been there.
*Sun & Jin have never been big interests for me so I don’t care about them so much, but it would be nice to see them tied back into the fray with the Losties.
[quote comment=”48914″]Hammer – I simply see the “mating” set-up as part of the manipulation of Jack. They let him witness Kate and Sawyer cuddling, and after seeing that Jack agreed to operate on Ben.[/quote]
Yeah, I can see that too. But I don’t think that those of us that think she could be pregnant are off base…it’s just theory…
I think that if the Others wanted Kate pregnant, they would have done it the scientific way- knocked her out and injected her, like Julls did with her sister. Relying on her one-time encounter with Sawyer is, well, not very relieable (has a lot to do with a womas’s cycle, time of month, etc- that kind-a biological stuff). It makes much more sense to have them go at it for Jack’s benefit. Afterall, Jack was “accidentaly” allowed to wander around and see the security cameras just as Kate and Sawyer were following their animal insticts.
I see your point too MKS, but Jules injected her sister because she was ill and was trying to get a preg. to take. Artificial insemination is another whole bag o’ worms. I’m just saying that they set us up to believe it and it isn’t beyond possiblity…not yet.
What if the Others actually DID knock her out and inject her, but then set up the whole Sawyer encounter so that when she finds out, she thinks that thats why she’s prego, that Sawyer is the father.
Also, I just thought of something about the whole Juliets sister thing. What if Rachel wasn’t supposed to actually have the baby, but just carry it for a month or two, have an abortion, and then use the stemcells to research or use on her for whatever disease she has. I know, farfetched, but you never know.
[quote comment=”48948″]What if the Others actually DID knock her out and inject her, but then set up the whole Sawyer encounter so that when she finds out, she thinks that thats why she’s prego, that Sawyer is the father.
[/quote]
Just a question, are you guys saying that you can get someone preg. by injecting something through a needle into someone’s abdoman or am I missing something? I took Rachael’s injections to be something to help her process…not actually impregnate her.
[quote comment=”48877″]alright, im getting pretty pissed of with all this about how i write, it seems a bit stupid when we have bloody smoke monsters,murdering security systems,a group of scientists who were killed by the hostiles. Why the hell are you all going on at my writing when we are here for LOST not grammar school. So thanks to you lovely people, i have aknowledged my writing is atroshious but who cares. [/quote]
When we have to read through 100 posts to catch up and it seems 1/4 of them are you – it gets very annoying trying to decipher your gibberish. Frankly, I just started skipping over your posts. I would like to read everyone’s ideas but I don’t need a migraine.
[quote comment=”48950″][quote comment=”48948″]What if the Others actually DID knock her out and inject her, but then set up the whole Sawyer encounter so that when she finds out, she thinks that thats why she’s prego, that Sawyer is the father.
[/quote]
Just a question, are you guys saying that you can get someone preg. by injecting something through a needle into someone’s abdoman or am I missing something? I took Rachael’s injections to be something to help her process…not actually impregnate her.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s an injection, but a process. However, I don’t think this process just helps to impregnate someone, but actually impregnates them. Remember the MALE mouse that Juliet managed to do it to?
Well yeah, but you still need a fertilized egg in utero. So my guess is you still need this “placed” there by other means than a needle in the belly. I think we are really stretching here. She’s a fertility specialist, not God.
Bottom line- I just can’t see the producers/ writers wanting Kate pregnant as well. There need to be some attractive females who don’t have babies and aren’t expecting who can kick some ass. This is not Maternity Ward Island.
[quote comment=”48953″]She’s a fertility specialist, not God.[/quote]
You never know. This is Lost, you know.
[quote comment=”48950″][quote comment=”48948″]What if the Others actually DID knock her out and inject her, but then set up the whole Sawyer encounter so that when she finds out, she thinks that thats why she’s prego, that Sawyer is the father.
[/quote]
Just a question, are you guys saying that you can get someone preg. by injecting something through a needle into someone’s abdoman or am I missing something? I took Rachael’s injections to be something to help her process…not actually impregnate her.[/quote]
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I believe that Juliet and Rachel were working on both dealing with her cancer, but also research into some kind of fertility issue of Rachel’s. The Not in Portland episode, at the very end, I believe Rachel says to Juliet “I’m pregnant” or “It worked, I’m pregnant”. I can’t remember for sure and I’m at work so I can’t check the episode. Now you may be right that whatever injections she was receiving were trying to reverse some kind of infertitlity she might have experienced(my guess is caused by the radiation/drug combo battling her cancer) but it is also possible that Juliet was experimenting with new in vitro processes as well.
For the record, I doubt Juliet’s entrance into the Lost Camp is due to a yet to be made known pregnancy for Kate, rather a way for her to be closer to Claire and Aaron and Sun and her unborn baby. She’s a fertility specialist afterall. As far as being cuffed to Kate and kicking her ass, I think that has more to do with establishing the the love triangle of Juliet/Jack/Kate.
Okay…we’ll wait and see.
You never know on Lost. Maybe the Others are turning into Gods? lol. No, but what about…Oh, what’s his name? The guy who we all thought had a beard for a while & told Kate she wasn’t his type. He gave Jack the talkie in the middle of Ben’s surgery. And why hasn’t Danielle had her own edpisode yet? She’s been on & off the show for 3 seasons! Juliette has only been on the show for 1 and has hade her own, soon to be 2!
[quote comment=”48951″][quote comment=”48877″]alright, im getting pretty pissed of with all this about how i write, it seems a bit stupid when we have bloody smoke monsters,murdering security systems,a group of scientists who were killed by the hostiles. Why the hell are you all going on at my writing when we are here for LOST not grammar school. So thanks to you lovely people, i have aknowledged my writing is atroshious but who cares. [/quote]
When we have to read through 100 posts to catch up and it seems 1/4 of them are you – it gets very annoying trying to decipher your gibberish. Frankly, I just started skipping over your posts. I would like to read everyone’s ideas but I don’t need a migraine.[/quote]
WHO THE HELL CARES HOW HE WRITES!!!!!!!! If you just wanna talk about how the guy writes, start a new blog! It’s not freakin grammar class here! If it was, everybody’d be getting Fs! So get over how the man writes and talk about Lost for the love of Charlie!
My guess is Danielle’s back story is quite important to the mystery of Lost and they have to keep that one close to the chest still. She’s been able to survive on the island way too long to be insugnificant to the parts of the story we haven’t seen yet.
We needed to know about Juliette because of her status as a fertility doctor (remember the others steal children and we needed to know why) and not a surgeon (that Ben desperately needed) as well as establish that not all of the others are from the island to validate the communication between the outside world and the island and the fact the the higher ups of the others can travel off the island.
We don’t need a Tom background story yet because so far he has just been an other milling around. He hasn’t really done anything yet for us to focus on (I think he may be related to the Tom that got killed when Kate was running from the hospital.)
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alright, im getting pretty pissed of with all this about how i write, it seems a bit stupid when we have bloody smoke monsters,murdering security systems,a group of scientists who were killed by the hostiles. Why the hell are you all going on at my writing when we are here for LOST not grammar school. So thanks to you lovely people, i have aknowledged my writing is atroshious but who cares. [/quote]
Okay, here’s the thing…above you wrote very clearly (not mistake free which is okay) and it is clear that you can write well when you want. But most of your posts seem to be purposely messed up and full of lazy dialect. We don’t want perfection, just something that makes sense to the average person on this site.
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We don’t need a Tom background story yet because so far he has just been an other milling around. He hasn’t really done anything yet for us to focus on (I think he may be related to the Tom that got killed when Kate was running from the hospital.)[/quote]
I think that Tom and Brennan (however you spell it. The guy who “took the key” from Danielle) are the same person and that he’s Kates Toms father. It’s just too coincidental that there is a Tom and a Brennan when Kates childhood love has (well, I guess had) the same name.
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alright, im getting pretty pissed of with all this about how i write, it seems a bit stupid when we have bloody smoke monsters,murdering security systems,a group of scientists who were killed by the hostiles. Why the hell are you all going on at my writing when we are here for LOST not grammar school. So thanks to you lovely people, i have aknowledged my writing is atroshious but who cares. [/quote]
Okay, here’s the thing…above you wrote very clearly (not mistake free which is okay) and it is clear that you can write well when you want. But most of your posts seem to be purposely messed up and full of lazy dialect. We don’t want perfection, just something that makes sense to the average person on this site.[/quote]
THANK YOU!!!
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We don’t need a Tom background story yet because so far he has just been an other milling around. He hasn’t really done anything yet for us to focus on (I think he may be related to the Tom that got killed when Kate was running from the hospital.)[/quote]
I think that Tom and Brennan (however you spell it. The guy who “took the key” from Danielle) are the same person and that he’s Kates Toms father. It’s just too coincidental that there is a Tom and a Brennan when Kates childhood love has (well, I guess had) the same name.[/quote]
Exactly Meg, that was my idea from about a week ago.
Meg – you can read a little more about your and Hammer’s theory that Tom the Other = Rousseau’s Brennan = related to Kate’s Tom here:
http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/who-is-danielle-rousseau
[quote comment=”48967″]Meg – you can read a little more about your and Hammer’s theory that Tom the Other = Rousseau’s Brennan = related to Kate’s Tom here:
http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/who-is-danielle-rousseau%5B/quote%5D
Specifically, starting with comment #71
Thanks ToeKnee, I had forgotten which thread we were using.
[quote comment=”48967″]Meg – you can read a little more about your and Hammer’s theory that Tom the Other = Rousseau’s Brennan = related to Kate’s Tom here:
http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/who-is-danielle-rousseau%5B/quote%5D
hell yer do we need a tom flashback, i love the guy, he’s intersting
[quote comment=”48927″]I think that if the Others wanted Kate pregnant, they would have done it the scientific way- knocked her out and injected her, like Julls did with her sister. Relying on her one-time encounter with Sawyer is, well, not very relieable (has a lot to do with a womas’s cycle, time of month, etc- that kind-a biological stuff). It makes much more sense to have them go at it for Jack’s benefit. Afterall, Jack was “accidentaly” allowed to wander around and see the security cameras just as Kate and Sawyer were following their animal insticts.[/quote]
I think the reason they would want Kate to become pregnant the natural way probably has more to do with ethics than anything else. I think creating a forced pregnancy for such a popular prime time show could create too many problems for ABC.
[quote comment=”48976″][quote comment=”48967″]Meg – you can read a little more about your and Hammer’s theory that Tom the Other = Rousseau’s Brennan = related to Kate’s Tom here:
http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/who-is-danielle-rousseau%5B/quote%5D
hell yer do we need a tom flashback, i love the guy, he’s intersting[/quote]
I like him too. He doesn’t seem to be too bad of a guy. For an Other that is. But there does seem to be something about him. He is very interesting.
ok now i know this is off subject, but Ben cant be Alex’s real father right? i mean danielle captured him and told the losties that he was an other. she never said this is the father of alex? so why is ben prancing around saying alex is his daughter. or is there more meaning to this, or maybe alex may be the next in command if ben dies (a lil farfetched) anyone have any thoughts?
[quote comment=”48979″]ok now i know this is off subject, but Ben cant be Alex’s real father right? i mean danielle captured him and told the losties that he was an other. she never said this is the father of alex? so why is ben prancing around saying alex is his daughter. or is there more meaning to this, or maybe alex may be the next in command if ben dies (a lil farfetched) anyone have any thoughts?[/quote]
This was discussed in that same thread about Rousseau I posted a link to earlier http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/who-is-danielle-rousseau#comment-48980
My thoughts- I take Rousseau at her word when she says the Others stole Alex from her shortly after she was born. Once the Others had Alex, someone had to raise her, and my interpretation is Ben is the one who raised her, and therefore refers to her as his daughter. Alex doesn’t know any better so she refers to Ben as her father. He is not her biological father.
I don’t think Alex would become the leader if Ben dies (hypothetically). This isn’t a monarchy, so I assume they have some more senior person already lined up, unless they have an election, or unless Jacob (or whoever Ben’s superior is) appoints someone.
I don’t think Ben is Alex’s father, but she has been raised by him as his own. She does think Ben is her real father though, and has been told that her mother is dead. That is why she was so surprised to hear Sayid say that she look like her mother, and that he knows her mother. I’m sure in one of the upcoming episodes we will see how Alex came to be raised by the others, and she will find out the truth and re-unite with Danielle.
ok, thats what i thought also, but why did they keep her real name? is she really danielles daughter. they definately casted her right being that she looks just like danielle. i cant wait to see the story of danielle, its very intriging.
well im guessin alex is bens adopted daughter, he probably raised her after stealin her, or we cum bac to the theory rousseau is an other, ben’s ex or current wife, im guessin not hough as its too complicated and alex says her mum is dead. Alex has cleary been told a lie.
But my thoery, what if in fact alex is ben;s biological daughter, and her mum really did die, and dannielle heard her name in thje wind, and was goin mental by herself and actually thinks alex is her daughter. coz a new mum wud never take her eye of her baby, so y didnt she see the others steal alex?? maybe alex has just a similar face to rousseau, and maybe wen rousseau cried seeing her n locke her dream came true, a daughter at last. maybe she was sterile.
she looks about 40, n alex is 16, so she was 26 wen arrived to the island, now rich alpert seys tu juliet look at this showing her a pic of a womb, juliet seys she 70 but its really a 26year old, waht if rouuseau was purposely put on the island to be studied, and imagined up alex
tell me your thoughts please
Lost King-
I don’t think Danielle just “imagined” having a daughter, or that Alex somehow came into being through her imaginative powers. All the manifastations/ possible imagined people and animals had/ or do exist in the real world. That is, Eko’s brother had been a real being, as had Kate’s horse, etc. We have yet to see something being made up in fantasy land that had not been there before.
Also, Juliett saw the picture of the young woman’s old looking womb about three years ago, which means Danielle would have been in her mid- to late thirties by then. I don’t think the Others would have been showing Juls a thirteen year old picture.
[quote comment=”48990″]Lost King-
I don’t think Danielle just “imagined” having a daughter, or that Alex somehow came into being through her imaginative powers. All the manifastations/ possible imagined people and animals had/ or do exist in the real world. That is, Eko’s brother had been a real being, as had Kate’s horse, etc. We have yet to see something being made up in fantasy land that had not been there before.
Also, Juliett saw the picture of the young woman’s old looking womb about three years ago, which means Danielle would have been in her mid- to late thirties by then. I don’t think the Others would have been showing Juls a thirteen year old picture.[/quote]
i mean imaginated having a daughter and coincidentally theres alex and wen rouuseau was 26 or so she had it dun, and for 16 years its baffled people, so juliet an expert was brought tu the job
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i mean imaginated having a daughter and coincidentally theres alex and wen rouuseau was 26 or so she had it dun, and for 16 years its baffled people, so juliet an expert was brought tu the job[/quote]
now, im sorry i dont mean to bring up the typing thing again, but can anyone tell me what this means. im sorry lost king but that is a complete mess english please.
[quote comment=”48989″]well im guessin alex is bens adopted daughter, he probably raised her after stealin her, or we cum bac to the theory rousseau is an other, ben’s ex or current wife, im guessin not hough as its too complicated and alex says her mum is dead. Alex has cleary been told a lie.
But my thoery, what if in fact alex is ben;s biological daughter, and her mum really did die, and dannielle heard her name in thje wind, and was goin mental by herself and actually thinks alex is her daughter. coz a new mum wud never take her eye of her baby, so y didnt she see the others steal alex?? maybe alex has just a similar face to rousseau, and maybe wen rousseau cried seeing her n locke her dream came true, a daughter at last. maybe she was sterile.
she looks about 40, n alex is 16, so she was 26 wen arrived to the island, now rich alpert seys tu juliet look at this showing her a pic of a womb, juliet seys she 70 but its really a 26year old, waht if rouuseau was purposely put on the island to be studied, and imagined up alex
tell me your thoughts please[/quote]
I don’t think Danielle is so crazy that she would dream up a child. 1 – she’s right about the whispers. sayid and sawyer both heard them. 2- she was right about ben bein an other and 3- she’s been on an island by herself for 16 years, so I think she might be just a bit crazy from lack of people. I like the idea though that Danielle was the 26 year old. It’s a cool idea. I don’t really think that Ben is Alex’s biological dad. But if it was true, it could just be that Danielle didn’t wanna talk about it when she handed him over to Sayid cause she just wanted to know that Ben’d get torn apart. I could see Danielle bein one of those crazy ex girlfriends. Another thing: is it possible to be for Danielle to be one of the Others? That she tortured Sayid so they could find out if he know about them yet and they purposely put Ben in the net?
[quote comment=”49001″][quote comment=”48989″]well im guessin alex is bens adopted daughter, he probably raised her after stealin her, or we cum bac to the theory rousseau is an other, ben’s ex or current wife, im guessin not hough as its too complicated and alex says her mum is dead. Alex has cleary been told a lie.
But my thoery, what if in fact alex is ben;s biological daughter, and her mum really did die, and dannielle heard her name in thje wind, and was goin mental by herself and actually thinks alex is her daughter. coz a new mum wud never take her eye of her baby, so y didnt she see the others steal alex?? maybe alex has just a similar face to rousseau, and maybe wen rousseau cried seeing her n locke her dream came true, a daughter at last. maybe she was sterile.
she looks about 40, n alex is 16, so she was 26 wen arrived to the island, now rich alpert seys tu juliet look at this showing her a pic of a womb, juliet seys she 70 but its really a 26year old, waht if rouuseau was purposely put on the island to be studied, and imagined up alex
tell me your thoughts please[/quote]
I don’t think Danielle is so crazy that she would dream up a child. 1 – she’s right about the whispers. sayid and sawyer both heard them. 2- she was right about ben bein an other and 3- she’s been on an island by herself for 16 years, so I think she might be just a bit crazy from lack of people. I like the idea though that Danielle was the 26 year old. It’s a cool idea. I don’t really think that Ben is Alex’s biological dad. But if it was true, it could just be that Danielle didn’t wanna talk about it when she handed him over to Sayid cause she just wanted to know that Ben’d get torn apart. I could see Danielle bein one of those crazy ex girlfriends. Another thing: is it possible to be for Danielle to be one of the Others? That she tortured Sayid so they could find out if he know about them yet and they purposely put Ben in the net?[/quote]
luvin the idea she may be an other, and i think thats why in TMFT she walked off, producers way off makin Danielle not encounter with an othetr to let the mystery of her carry on, her story is a bit like Mikhail, hu is in fact an other, but maybe ben and her were a thing, then like juliet she was banished, hence him havin a single bed
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i mean imaginated having a daughter and coincidentally theres alex and wen rouuseau was 26 or so she had it dun, and for 16 years its baffled people, so juliet an expert was brought tu the job[/quote]
now, im sorry i dont mean to bring up the typing thing again, but can anyone tell me what this means. im sorry lost king but that is a complete mess english please.[/quote]
sorry, i will admit that i dont even no what that seys
rephrased
i mean danielle imaginated having a daughter, and coincidently alex hu luks just like her and was born as she arrived apeared. and Danielle was the 26 year old who Alpert wants Juliet to find out waht happened to
sorry
Lost King,
Ben picks up and then casts off women as they are or are not useful to him. Maybe Danielle was banished because she did kill a bunch of people ( scientists) and the others kept Alex because they didn’t expect Danielle to survive banishment. She proved tougher than they expected
[quote comment=”49005″]Lost King,
Ben picks up and then casts off women as they are or are not useful to him. Maybe Danielle was banished because she did kill a bunch of people ( scientists) and the others kept Alex because they didn’t expect Danielle to survive banishment. She proved tougher than they expected[/quote]
In line with this thread of thinking about Danielle, she could have a brand on her lower back — Wish we could check it out!
maybe rousseau was involved in the purge and killed most of the scientists herself. i think she knows a lot more about the dharma stations and structures then she lets on.
Brennen could have taken the keys to the fence. Since the keypad is on the inside, there must be a way to get in when the fence is on and she was kept out of it.
maybe this is a dumb question who is brennan?
Speaking of Alex she didn’t mention Karl being back did she?
[quote comment=”49037″]Speaking of Alex she didn’t mention Karl being back did she?[/quote]
no she didnt, but even if he made it back, the others wouldve gotten to him before alex, and probably kept it a secret/ and or killed him. i wouldnt think that they would kill him without us knowing, but they probably have him captured somewhere.
[quote comment=”49026″]maybe this is a dumb question who is brennan?[/quote]
Brennan is mentioned twice so far. First, he was mentioned in the Pilot episode with the French phrase “Brennan stole the keys”. Second, Brennan is the last name of Kate’s childhood sweetheart, Tom.
More info here:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Brennan
well all this about being branded i just find ridiculous, when juliet was marked on her back, did archere (that thai woman) do it to her? and if so how did she get to the island, it seems too coincidental that jack gets marked in a flashback and then juliet does on the island. and i just dont understand the whole branding thing. and this brennan guy, i didnt no hu he was until ”hurley’s dad”(above) told me, so i think if it was meant tu play a big part in lost, it would have been made more aware to us
and rousseua, im guessin that when she first caught sayid, she thoiught he was an other, so maybe after letting him go and they had that stand off he would have shot her, but she unloaded the bullets, so from then on she didnt trust him or the survivors, but as she has got tu know them she regrets not tellin the truth, the truth that she actually noes a lot more than she has let on
[quote comment=”48990″]We have yet to see something being made up in fantasy land that had not been there before.
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This might not be true. Think of Hurley’s big green bird, and…well, smokey him/itself.
Also – and this is the last time I’ll discuss the writing quality of posts here, it DOES matter that people write clearly and punctuate. It’s just common courtesy, and it makes for a much more comfortable reading experience. I’m here to decipher Lost, not frantic scribblings, and I honestly consider it discourteous when somebody can’t be bothered to make their writing reader-friendly.
In any case, and so as not to turn this into a flaming session, I will simply do what Samsandrasan is doing and skip over garbled posts.
Back to topic:
I do not believe that Locke has fallen for another father-con, it would simply be ridiculous. I love the character, as I’m sure many others here do, and well, there’s a limit to how much we can excuse. Also – I don’t think he’s that stupid. Needy, yes – but understandably so…just not downright idiotic.
We’ll see, too bad we might have to wait till episode 19 to find out, though. Unless Damon and Cuse were just joking about that.
I do like the whole ‘Rousseau is an Other’ theory, but I’m not totally convinced yet. Sayid seems to trust her quite a bit, never said anything bad about her besides the fact that she’s probably a little bit crazy. If she really was an Other, I think that Sayid would’ve picked up on something by now. I mean, when has he been wrong about anyone. He peg Ben and Mikhail as Others. He knew when Michael had been compromised. Now he doesn’t trust Juliet, however he doesn’t know her whole story yet, so that he may be wrong about her or is just being cautious. But because he hasn’t mentioned anything about Rousseau yet, I believe she’s just a somewhat crazy french chick.
[quote comment=”49110″][quote comment=”48990″]We have yet to see something being made up in fantasy land that had not been there before.
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This might not be true. Think of Hurley’s big green bird, and…well, smokey him/itself.
Also – and this is the last time I’ll discuss the writing quality of posts here, it DOES matter that people write clearly and punctuate. It’s just common courtesy, and it makes for a much more comfortable reading experience. I’m here to decipher Lost, not frantic scribblings, and I honestly consider it discourteous when somebody can’t be bothered to make their writing reader-friendly.
In any case, and so as not to turn this into a flaming session, I will simply do what Samsandrasan is doing and skip over garbled posts.
Back to topic:
I do not believe that Locke has fallen for another father-con, it would simply be ridiculous. I love the character, as I’m sure many others here do, and well, there’s a limit to how much we can excuse. Also – I don’t think he’s that stupid. Needy, yes – but understandably so…just not downright idiotic.
We’ll see, too bad we might have to wait till episode 19 to find out, though. Unless Damon and Cuse were just joking about that.[/quote]
WELL im guessin in ep 19 there gunnah be stupid and show us like 2 seconds of cooper n then in ep 20 really explore it, its just like lost to do that and ep 9 stranger ina strangle land, the promo sed 3 of losts bigest mystery’s solved
what were they???
1-jacks tattooes (but then he contradicts by seying thats wat they sey, but not what they mean)
2-????
3-???
sum1 plz tell
[quote comment=”49126″]I do like the whole ‘Rousseau is an Other’ theory, but I’m not totally convinced yet. Sayid seems to trust her quite a bit, never said anything bad about her besides the fact that she’s probably a little bit crazy. If she really was an Other, I think that Sayid would’ve picked up on something by now. I mean, when has he been wrong about anyone. He peg Ben and Mikhail as Others. He knew when Michael had been compromised. Now he doesn’t trust Juliet, however he doesn’t know her whole story yet, so that he may be wrong about her or is just being cautious. But because he hasn’t mentioned anything about Rousseau yet, I believe she’s just a somewhat crazy french chick.[/quote]
your right about that, sayid is usually right, but sayid is a ladies man, and dannieele is the onli WOMAN he has heard a story off, coz michale,michail and ben were all men, but danielle’s story is heartbreaking, whereas mikhails and ben’s wernt
Lol. I like that theory, but I’m going to have to shoot it down. If he was such a ladies man, why doesn’t he want to bring Juliet back with them? Jack trusts her and know some kind of back story to her (I’m assuming they’ve exchanged some story because of how close they seem).
[quote comment=”49128″][quote comment=”49126″]I do like the whole ‘Rousseau is an Other’ theory, but I’m not totally convinced yet. Sayid seems to trust her quite a bit, never said anything bad about her besides the fact that she’s probably a little bit crazy. If she really was an Other, I think that Sayid would’ve picked up on something by now. I mean, when has he been wrong about anyone. He peg Ben and Mikhail as Others. He knew when Michael had been compromised. Now he doesn’t trust Juliet, however he doesn’t know her whole story yet, so that he may be wrong about her or is just being cautious. But because he hasn’t mentioned anything about Rousseau yet, I believe she’s just a somewhat crazy french chick.[/quote]
your right about that, sayid is usually right, but sayid is a ladies man, and dannieele is the onli WOMAN he has heard a story off, coz michale,michail and ben were all men, but danielle’s story is heartbreaking, whereas mikhails and ben’s wernt[/quote]
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Lost King:
I thought that Ben’s story when he was pretending to be Henry Gale was pretty heartbreaking, burying his dead wife and all that nonsense. Mikhail’s may not have been so much so, but that doesn’t mean that Sayid is some kind of softy. I mean, any guy who is willing and able to torture people is pretty much a nonpuss in my book, regardless of whether he likes women or not.
I think at this point in the Lost storyline, Sayid has proven himself to be an apt and discerning judge of character. Despite that proof (ie. Benry, Mikhail, perhaps even Sawyer to a certain degree) the Losties have not always followed his instincts (bringing Juliet with them to camp). I think that this disregard for Sayid’s instincts is going to compromise their safety further and potentially place them at the mercy of an extremely manipulative liar, Juliet. Yes, her flashbacks were pretty heartbreaking, but what they really reveal about her is a sort of corrupted idealism. The Juliet she is on the island is a far cry from the naive divorcee attempting to nurse a sick sister back to health on the beaches of Miami. Expose revealed her manipulative nature even further. Now, whether or not she adopted a set of behavior to survive is a different issue. Her nature at this point is indisputable and regardless of her relationship to Ben, she is extremely dangerous to the Losties and I think, Jack especially.
Jack and Juliet were in on the whole locked to Kate thing together. The evidence is as such.
There were 2 smoke cnisters in the room with Jack.
When they were about to leave Sayid asked why Juliet was going with them. Jack responded “Because they left her behind to.” Those are part of the same words Juliet said to Kate after Kate found out Juliet had the Handcuff key.
When Jack asked Juliet if she was alright in the end there was this look she gave Jack that suggested they were talking about something else (this is just my opinion.)
Finally Juliet had a bag ready for Jack as they were about to leave like they already new what was going to happen.
Well what do u think?
[quote comment=”48877″][quote comment=”48848″]oh yea i meant to mention this earlier. now who knows if it has any meaning but Kate’s car’s license plate said Missouri 4ON DVB . i noticed while watching it, it seemed as if it was shown for A reason. who knows anyone have any thoughts on this??[/quote]
alright, im getting pretty pissed of with all this about how i write, it seems a bit stupid when we have bloody smoke monsters,murdering security systems,a group of scientists who were killed by the hostiles. Why the hell are you all going on at my writing when we are here for LOST not grammar school. So thanks to you lovely people, i have aknowledged my writing is atroshious but who cares. and to the comment about the license plate, im guessin it doesnt have any big meaning towards the show, but i was watchin every man for himself last night and i was wondering if anyone has an idea that when Sawyer was in jail, how many years before the crash was that, just tryin tu understand how old clementine is
The lost king, lol, dw bout the writing[/quote]
Thank you. It is so much easier to read. I was getting a headache trying to read some of your shorthand.
[quote comment=”49142″]Jack and Juliet were in on the whole locked to Kate thing together. The evidence is as such.
There were 2 smoke cnisters in the room with Jack.
When they were about to leave Sayid asked why Juliet was going with them. Jack responded “Because they left her behind to.” Those are part of the same words Juliet said to Kate after Kate found out Juliet had the Handcuff key.
When Jack asked Juliet if she was alright in the end there was this look she gave Jack that suggested they were talking about something else (this is just my opinion.)
Finally Juliet had a bag ready for Jack as they were about to leave like they already new what was going to happen.
Well what do u think?[/quote]
It’s certainly possible Jack and Juliet are both in on the plan, but I’m leaning towards Jack not being involved. I say that simply because when Locke spoke with Kate earlier in the show, he told her that Jack is “going to have to stay behind like you”. Just my opinion, but I don’t think Locke would say that about Jack if Jack was in on whatever plan the Others have, being that Locke seems to be joining up with the Others. In other words, the Others, Locke, Jack, and Juliet would have to be all teamed up against Kate (and Sayid and the other Losties). Doesn’t seem likely to me.
Regarding Juliet having Jack’s bag ready, I’m not sure how much time has passed since Locke blew up the sub, but Jack probably had a bag ready to go with him on his trip home, and that could be the bag Juliet handed him.
[quote comment=”49127″]
WELL im guessin in ep 19 there gunnah be stupid and show us like 2 seconds of cooper n then in ep 20 really explore it, its just like lost to do that and ep 9 stranger ina strangle land, the promo sed 3 of losts bigest mystery’s solved
what were they???
1-jacks tattooes (but then he contradicts by seying thats wat they sey, but not what they mean)
2-????
3-???
sum1 plz tell[/quote]
I believe the other 2 were what happened to Cindy and what happened to the kids. ABC was responsible for the promotion about 3 mysteries solved, and Damon and Carlton referred to that promise as “promo mania”, and didn’t feel those other 2 qualified as revealed mysteries.
[quote comment=”49149″][quote comment=”49127″]
WELL im guessin in ep 19 there gunnah be stupid and show us like 2 seconds of cooper n then in ep 20 really explore it, its just like lost to do that and ep 9 stranger ina strangle land, the promo sed 3 of losts bigest mystery’s solved
what were they???
1-jacks tattooes (but then he contradicts by seying thats wat they sey, but not what they mean)
2-????
3-???
sum1 plz tell[/quote]
I believe the other 2 were what happened to Cindy and what happened to the kids. ABC was responsible for the promotion about 3 mysteries solved, and Damon and Carlton referred to that promise as “promo mania”, and didn’t feel those other 2 qualified as revealed mysteries.[/quote]
kk – thanks, i feel the promo’s are exciting, but do not describe the episode at all,
but also a friend of mine thinks that Christian is Jacob, reason for wanting aaron, but i do not think so, if you read sumwhere on the official lost website you find out the reason why the others take new babies, if anyone wants to hear this just ask me, and apperntly a theory up above that paulo and nikki survived through underground tunneling, whu thinks so??
confirmation- promo says 1 dies, so maybe nikki survives.
I don’t think that we can always look at back-stories as an indicator of what people on the island are like now. Most seem to have changed, some even dramatically. Charlie was a junkie before, but has seemingly turned his life around and is now a caring semi-dad to Aaron. Locke went from being a follower to being a leader in many ways. Claire went from an irresponsible rebel to being a loving mother. Sun and Jin’s relationship and how they relate to one another is completely different now then what it used to be, etc. My point is, just because we saw Juliette being a certain way in her flashback, it does not mean she is that way now. The island seems to have had positive affects on our Losties, but what if that affect is the oppisite if you are with the Others? Maybe Juliette has been changed too on the island, but not for the better.
i love that theory, that is the best comment bin posted so far, ur absolutley right, if after 80 odd days these people have changed so much, then juliet who has been there for 3 years will have almost had a complete personallity change, flashbacks are conencted to the episodes, but locke was a soft hearted wimp in his, and watch par avion he brutally kills mikhail
love it
Off topic, but i wonder if we’ll see Aaron’s father tied in somewhere along the line.
[quote comment=”49128″][quote comment=”49126″]I do like the whole ‘Rousseau is an Other’ theory, but I’m not totally convinced yet. Sayid seems to trust her quite a bit, never said anything bad about her besides the fact that she’s probably a little bit crazy. If she really was an Other, I think that Sayid would’ve picked up on something by now. I mean, when has he been wrong about anyone. He peg Ben and Mikhail as Others. He knew when Michael had been compromised. Now he doesn’t trust Juliet, however he doesn’t know her whole story yet, so that he may be wrong about her or is just being cautious. But because he hasn’t mentioned anything about Rousseau yet, I believe she’s just a somewhat crazy french chick.[/quote]
your right about that, sayid is usually right, but sayid is a ladies man, and dannieele is the onli WOMAN he has heard a story off, coz michale,michail and ben were all men, but danielle’s story is heartbreaking, whereas mikhails and ben’s wernt[/quote]
BEN/HENRY’S STORY SEEMED REALLY SAD & HARTBREAKIN TO ME. Y WOULD HE NOT TRUST JULIETTE THEN? AND HE DOESN’T TOTALLY TRUST DANIELLE CAUSE WHEN SHE WAS TAKIN HIM TO BEN/HENRY, HE KEPT ON ASKING WHERE SHE WAS TAKING HIM AND OTHER ?S LIKE THAT.
[quote comment=”49133″][quote comment=”49128″][quote comment=”49126″]I do like the whole ‘Rousseau is an Other’ theory, but I’m not totally convinced yet. Sayid seems to trust her quite a bit, never said anything bad about her besides the fact that she’s probably a little bit crazy. If she really was an Other, I think that Sayid would’ve picked up on something by now. I mean, when has he been wrong about anyone. He peg Ben and Mikhail as Others. He knew when Michael had been compromised. Now he doesn’t trust Juliet, however he doesn’t know her whole story yet, so that he may be wrong about her or is just being cautious. But because he hasn’t mentioned anything about Rousseau yet, I believe she’s just a somewhat crazy french chick.[/quote]
your right about that, sayid is usually right, but sayid is a ladies man, and dannieele is the onli WOMAN he has heard a story off, coz michale,michail and ben were all men, but danielle’s story is heartbreaking, whereas mikhails and ben’s wernt[/quote]
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Lost King:
I thought that Ben’s story when he was pretending to be Henry Gale was pretty heartbreaking, burying his dead wife and all that nonsense. Mikhail’s may not have been so much so, but that doesn’t mean that Sayid is some kind of softy. I mean, any guy who is willing and able to torture people is pretty much a nonpuss in my book, regardless of whether he likes women or not.
ANOTHER THING: HE DOESN’T COMPLETELY TRUST DANIELLE. EX. WHEN SHE WAS TAKING HIM TO SEE BEN/HENRY, HE KEPT ON ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE “WHERE R U TAKING ME.”
[quote comment=”49202″]Off topic, but i wonder if we’ll see Aaron’s father tied in somewhere along the line.[/quote]
dont you think thomas (aarons dad) looks just a bit like ben???? maybe thats y he wanted aaron, coz its his grandson, luk back at raised by anuther in season 1, thomas n ben look simialr
ANOTHER THING: HE DOESN’T COMPLETELY TRUST DANIELLE. EX. WHEN SHE WAS TAKING HIM TO SEE BEN/HENRY, HE KEPT ON ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE “WHERE R U TAKING ME.”[/quote]
erm lost chika, number 1->whats with the capital letters??/
2-the way benry (henry and bens names combined) told his story got sayid from the first second thinkin he was bad, so technically sayid had no time to listen tu theheart breaking story- but i will giv u that 1, i was wrong abit
3-why did you say ex??
ANOTHER THING: HE DOESN’T COMPLETELY TRUST DANIELLE. EX. WHEN SHE WAS TAKING HIM TO SEE BEN/HENRY,
dont get it, but i guess ur right
damn it, sorry
just figured out EX means example
so sorry,
any btw duz anyone els have tu w8 bout 10mins for there post tu b posted??
[quote comment=”49151″][quote comment=”49149″][quote comment=”49127″]
WELL im guessin in ep 19 there gunnah be stupid and show us like 2 seconds of cooper n then in ep 20 really explore it, its just like lost to do that and ep 9 stranger ina strangle land, the promo sed 3 of losts bigest mystery’s solved
what were they???
1-jacks tattooes (but then he contradicts by seying thats wat they sey, but not what they mean)
2-????
3-???
sum1 plz tell[/quote]
I believe the other 2 were what happened to Cindy and what happened to the kids. ABC was responsible for the promotion about 3 mysteries solved, and Damon and Carlton referred to that promise as “promo mania”, and didn’t feel those other 2 qualified as revealed mysteries.[/quote]
kk – thanks, i feel the promo’s are exciting, but do not describe the episode at all,
but also a friend of mine thinks that Christian is Jacob, reason for wanting aaron, but i do not think so, if you read sumwhere on the official lost website you find out the reason why the others take new babies, if anyone wants to hear this just ask me, and apperntly a theory up above that paulo and nikki survived through underground tunneling, whu thinks so??
confirmation- promo says 1 dies, so maybe nikki survives.[/quote]
WHO’S CHRISTIAN? AND HOW WILL NIKKI OR PALO SURVIVE BEING BARRIED ALIVE THROUGH TUNNELS? DID I MISS SOMETHING? IT DIDN’T LOOK LIKE THERE WERE ANY TUNNELS IN THE GRAVE THEY BURRIED ‘EM IN.
Anyone think that ‘smokey’ was taking photographs of Juliet so it could do all its weird past stuff on her like it did with Eko, notice everyone encounters ‘smokey’ at least once before it attacks them, maybe its deciding whether it wants them dead or not like it did with Eko? Remember it waited for him to try and apologise for his actions in life and when he didn’t, SPLAT.
WHO’S CHRISTIAN? AND HOW WILL NIKKI OR PALO SURVIVE BEING BARRIED ALIVE THROUGH TUNNELS? DID I MISS SOMETHING? IT DIDN’T LOOK LIKE THERE WERE ANY TUNNELS IN THE GRAVE THEY BURRIED ‘EM IN.[/quote]
christian is jacks dad, but i do NOT think for 1 minute he is jacob, and this underground tunneling, well its onli a rumour apperntly, but its possible, the promo only seys ONE dies
Just watched Lost Horizon… Do we know who piloted the Oceanic? I don’t recall…
[quote comment=”49322″]Just watched Lost Horizon… Do we know who piloted the Oceanic? I don’t recall…[/quote]
YER THE PILOT in ep 1, we dont no his name, but we no smokey killed him
I watched this episode again last night, and something stood out to me that I don’t think has been discussed here yet. It’s regarding Locke’s conversation with Kate at the beginning of the episode.
– Locke says he was captured “only temporarily”
– Locke says “Jack didn’t go anywhere Kate. He’s going to have to stay behind like you.”
– Locke tells Kate “I want you to know I made a strong case for you.” (with emphasis on the last “you”)
What I take from these lines is that not only is Locke willingly going off with the Others, he thinks it’s unfortunate that noone else can go too. He was captured temporarily, but is now free, and free to go along with the others if he so chooses. Jack is “going to HAVE to stay behind” – this makes it seem like it’s Jack’s loss that he can’t go, but if given the choice, I’m sure Jack wouldn’t want to go with them. Locke originally thought Kate could go along too – he made a case for her (and only her, apparently), so again, he thinks that Kate would want to go. Maybe this isn’t all that new of an observation, but it seems Locke is really going all out into joining up with the Others, so much so that he wants the Losties to go with him. Maybe he was brainwashed, like Kate asked him, or maybe it’s just that he sees living with the Others as a way to ensure that he doesn’t have to leave the island and as a way to learn more about the island. Also, his apparent complete defection to the Others is similar to how Cindy seemed completely at ease with the Others earlier this season, much to the surprise of Jack.
[quote comment=”49348″]I watched this episode again last night, and something stood out to me that I don’t think has been discussed here yet. It’s regarding Locke’s conversation with Kate at the beginning of the episode.
– Locke says he was captured “only temporarily”
– Locke says “Jack didn’t go anywhere Kate. He’s going to have to stay behind like you.”
– Locke tells Kate “I want you to know I made a strong case for you.” (with emphasis on the last “you”)
What I take from these lines is that not only is Locke willingly going off with the Others, he thinks it’s unfortunate that noone else can go too. He was captured temporarily, but is now free, and free to go along with the others if he so chooses. Jack is “going to HAVE to stay behind” – this makes it seem like it’s Jack’s loss that he can’t go, but if given the choice, I’m sure Jack wouldn’t want to go with them. Locke originally thought Kate could go along too – he made a case for her (and only her, apparently), so again, he thinks that Kate would want to go. Maybe this isn’t all that new of an observation, but it seems Locke is really going all out into joining up with the Others, so much so that he wants the Losties to go with him. Maybe he was brainwashed, like Kate asked him, or maybe it’s just that he sees living with the Others as a way to ensure that he doesn’t have to leave the island and as a way to learn more about the island. Also, his apparent complete defection to the Others is similar to how Cindy seemed completely at ease with the Others earlier this season, much to the surprise of Jack.[/quote]
well i dunno, i think he made a strong case for kate so they wudnt kill her, becoz thats what he thought they wud du, and coz it seems the others respect locke’s opinion, they let her live and i think locke isnt joining the others, i think wehn he sed captured temperarily coz he was locked up wernt he. and i think he is just goin wiv them becoz of cooper
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well i dunno, i think he made a strong case for kate so they wudnt kill her, becoz thats what he thought they wud du, and coz it seems the others respect locke’s opinion, they let her live and i think locke isnt joining the others, i think wehn he sed captured temperarily coz he was locked up wernt he. and i think he is just goin wiv them becoz of cooper[/quote]
Oh I don’t think they wanted to kill her. His statement about making a case for her was along the lines of “I tried to make a case for you, but I lost.” So if they wanted to kill her, they would have done so. He wanted them to allow her to come along with him and the Others, but because they know what she did, they consider her flawed (as Mikhail had indicated a few episodes ago), and she’s not allowed to be part of their society.
I think Cooper is just one small reason Locke wants to stay with the Others. He wants to learn more about the island.
[quote comment=”49348″]I watched this episode again last night, and something stood out to me that I don’t think has been discussed here yet. It’s regarding Locke’s conversation with Kate at the beginning of the episode.
– Locke says he was captured “only temporarily”
– Locke says “Jack didn’t go anywhere Kate. He’s going to have to stay behind like you.”
– Locke tells Kate “I want you to know I made a strong case for you.” (with emphasis on the last “you”)
What I take from these lines is that not only is Locke willingly going off with the Others, he thinks it’s unfortunate that noone else can go too. He was captured temporarily, but is now free, and free to go along with the others if he so chooses. Jack is “going to HAVE to stay behind” – this makes it seem like it’s Jack’s loss that he can’t go, but if given the choice, I’m sure Jack wouldn’t want to go with them. Locke originally thought Kate could go along too – he made a case for her (and only her, apparently), so again, he thinks that Kate would want to go. Maybe this isn’t all that new of an observation, but it seems Locke is really going all out into joining up with the Others, so much so that he wants the Losties to go with him. Maybe he was brainwashed, like Kate asked him, or maybe it’s just that he sees living with the Others as a way to ensure that he doesn’t have to leave the island and as a way to learn more about the island. Also, his apparent complete defection to the Others is similar to how Cindy seemed completely at ease with the Others earlier this season, much to the surprise of Jack.[/quote]
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A+ observation! I remember hearing that and thinking “hunh?” but then I got wrapped up with everything else going on the episode that I forgot about it later when I was thinking.
It is interesting to imagine that Locke had some type of debate with Ben about Kate going with them whereever they went. I bet that Ben told Locke WHY Kate wasn’t eligible to go. I wonder if there is more to Kate’s story than what we’ve already seen, something worse and more sinister than blowing up Wayne.
I don’t know that Locke has “defected” to the Others in a traditional sense because he seems to have a stronger connection to whatever mystical aspect of the island is driving the moral code followed by the Others. I wonder if Ben taking Locke with them is being done as a more preventative measure. I think that Locke and Ben are being set up as rivals for island leadership/blessing. Like Locke said, he isn’t in the chair anymore and Ben is.
Locke also seemed genuinely distressed that Kate couldn’t come with them. I think he cares about her.
well i dunno, but cant wait till tumoz wen i download next ep
I do think it is entirely possible that Locke found out something about Kate beyond what we have seen already. Many of us have been wondering why she would be persued as much as she was if the only thing she had was to get rid of an abusive step-father (even with the insurance fraud involved). Maybe there is more to the story, and maybe she did something worse.
[quote comment=”49402″]I do think it is entirely possible that Locke found out something about Kate beyond what we have seen already. Many of us have been wondering why she would be persued as much as she was if the only thing she had was to get rid of an abusive step-father (even with the insurance fraud involved). Maybe there is more to the story, and maybe she did something worse.[/quote]
Ya’ll are onto something, I believe the agent was warning Jack about how dangerous she was. It was likely more than just a revenge killing.
[quote comment=”49405″][quote comment=”49402″]I do think it is entirely possible that Locke found out something about Kate beyond what we have seen already. Many of us have been wondering why she would be persued as much as she was if the only thing she had was to get rid of an abusive step-father (even with the insurance fraud involved). Maybe there is more to the story, and maybe she did something worse.[/quote]
does anyone think she murdereed her mum??
[quote comment=”49409″][quote comment=”49405″][quote comment=”49402″]I do think it is entirely possible that Locke found out something about Kate beyond what we have seen already. Many of us have been wondering why she would be persued as much as she was if the only thing she had was to get rid of an abusive step-father (even with the insurance fraud involved). Maybe there is more to the story, and maybe she did something worse.[/quote]
does anyone think she murdereed her mum??[/quote]
No, I think her mom died from cancer.
Do we know she actually died from the cancer. My memory only goes back to her mom yelling for help when she saw Kate and Kate ran. That was the last we saw of her mom, right?
That was the last time we saw her, but we knew that she was going to die very soon because of it. I don’t think Kate did anything other than blow up her dad. It makes sense that so many people were after her. She’s wanted for multiple things already: murder, arson, resisting arrest a million time.
why would kate kill her mom. i mean she killed her father because he was hurting her mother. ya she said whe would never forgive her mother for telling the police on her. but i really doubt that she would kill her. she clearly loved her mother.
[quote comment=”49418″]why would kate kill her mom. i mean she killed her father because he was hurting her mother. ya she said whe would never forgive her mother for telling the police on her. but i really doubt that she would kill her. she clearly loved her mother.[/quote]
coz her mum called for help, and wemay hav a mssing piece after that that she did kill her
[quote comment=”49421″][quote comment=”49418″]why would kate kill her mom. i mean she killed her father because he was hurting her mother. ya she said whe would never forgive her mother for telling the police on her. but i really doubt that she would kill her. she clearly loved her mother.[/quote]
coz her mum called for help, and wemay hav a mssing piece after that that she did kill her[/quote]
i dont think that is possible- try again
[quote comment=”49421″][quote comment=”49418″]why would kate kill her mom. i mean she killed her father because he was hurting her mother. ya she said whe would never forgive her mother for telling the police on her. but i really doubt that she would kill her. she clearly loved her mother.[/quote]
coz her mum called for help, and wemay hav a mssing piece after that that she did kill her[/quote]
No, that doesn’t make any sense at all. She always loved her mom, and would never kill her. She killed Wayne for her and took out insurance on the house before blowing it up so that her mom would be financially secure, even though Kate wouldn’t be able to be with her. Then she went back to see and talk to her in last nights episode. She was hurt, but obviously didn’t hate her mom. Then she finds out that her mom has cancer and starts crying. She sneaks in to the hospitol to say her goodbyes when her mom starts crying out for help. Kate NEVER hated her mom.
[quote comment=”48417″]I have a couple of questions here.
1) Leslie – If the Others know about the Losties and they’ve only been there for what, 86 days, how could they not know about Danielle who’s been there for 16 years?
2) Was the dude with the patch the guy who’s wife was tortured by Sayied?
3) Who’s Jacob? Did I miss something?
4) And when Michael & Walt left didn’t Ben tell Michael that he won’t come back because then he’d have to tell what he did? Does that mean that they don’t need to communicate with the Others to find the island?
Please answer my questions! :)[/quote]
4. Ben told Michael he couldn’t come back because once he leaves, he will NEVER be able to come back (i.e. find the island). In the scene in “the Man from Tallahassee” where Ben is looking at pictures of his daughter on the wall, you can see a clock whose time changes multiple times. The island may be in a costantly change location in “time”. That’s perhaps why once you leave, you can’t come back unless you are able to communicate with the island in order to pinpoint its current location in time.
That’s a neat theory, we just have find out how so many “incidental” arrivals keep happening at the right time.
I have rewatched some of the previous episodes concerning Kate and the Marshal. Is it just me or does there appear to be a more personal connection between the two? In many episodes he appears to come off as someone who has been scorned.
Yeah, but I’m starting to think it’s just because he couldn’t catch her…you know…male ego.
[quote comment=”49427″]I have rewatched some of the previous episodes concerning Kate and the Marshal. Is it just me or does there appear to be a more personal connection between the two? In many episodes he appears to come off as someone who has been scorned.[/quote]
yeryur right
I never meant to imply that Kate killed her mother, but she might have done some other things. She knew and recognized a con when she saw one. She also obviously lied to her boyfriend about who she was (the one she thought she was having a kid with). She might have left a long line of people she had lied to, defrauded, or harmed in some other ways. Her mother obviously did not have the highest regard or sympathy for her, even while she was on her death bed. I think there is a lot about Kate that we don’t know yet.
MKS – Your thoughts have me thinking that she must have done somethings BEFORE she killed Wayne. Now that I think about the reactions from her mother and step father, it seems both wanted to keep their distance once they learned what she did to Wayne (you would think they would want to help her if Wayne was the only bad guy in the mix).
[quote comment=”48877″][quote comment=”48848″]oh yea i meant to mention this earlier. now who knows if it has any meaning but Kate’s car’s license plate said Missouri 4ON DVB . i noticed while watching it, it seemed as if it was shown for A reason. who knows anyone have any thoughts on this??[/quote]
alright, im getting pretty pissed of with all this about how i write, it seems a bit stupid when we have bloody smoke monsters,murdering security systems,a group of scientists who were killed by the hostiles. Why the hell are you all going on at my writing when we are here for LOST not grammar school. So thanks to you lovely people, i have aknowledged my writing is atroshious but who cares.
The lost king, lol, dw bout the writing[/quote]
It’s the text speak (TXT SPK!?) – not everyone is down with the kids and it’s not so easy to read when the subject is as complex as lost – it’s pretty hard to follow infact. Maybe that should become another guidline to the blog?
who is excited for ep 16? theres sum pretty huge things cuming in this episode, and i think that maybe juliet will tell hugo how he new libby
[quote comment=”49426″]That’s a neat theory, we just have find out how so many “incidental” arrivals keep happening at the right time.[/quote]
Exactly. Whether these arrivals were “incidental” or not I think is the real question.
Dragonfly:
Awesome theory! I was thinking that the island existed in all times simultaneously, but I think your idea makes more sense especially with the way the clock was moving in that episode!
Only fools are constrained by time and space…I hope you’re right.
Kate killed Wayne and Tom remember. So 2 murders, plus resisting arrest, and maybe conning people sounds like a reason to be after her to me. And her dad was in the millitary and Kate went to see him there were probably cameras so he probably could’ve gotten fired if they found out she was there and the other people in their were probably going to tell if he didn’t and then he’d be in jale to. Besides i think if u knew that ur daughter just killed somebody and was now wanted, youd be alittle on edge.
[quote comment=”49448″]Dragonfly:
Awesome theory! I was thinking that the island existed in all times simultaneously, but I think your idea makes more sense especially with the way the clock was moving in that episode!
Only fools are constrained by time and space…I hope you’re right.[/quote]
what episode were the clocks moving in & how did u notice it?
[quote comment=”49452″]Kate killed Wayne and Tom remember. So 2 murders, plus resisting arrest, and maybe conning people sounds like a reason to be after her to me. And her dad was in the millitary and Kate went to see him there were probably cameras so he probably could’ve gotten fired if they found out she was there and the other people in their were probably going to tell if he didn’t and then he’d be in jale to. Besides i think if u knew that ur daughter just killed somebody and was now wanted, youd be alittle on edge.[/quote]
Kate didn’t kill Tom. He was shot by the cop.
[quote comment=”49453″][quote comment=”49448″]Dragonfly:
Awesome theory! I was thinking that the island existed in all times simultaneously, but I think your idea makes more sense especially with the way the clock was moving in that episode!
Only fools are constrained by time and space…I hope you’re right.[/quote]
what episode were the clocks moving in & how did u notice it?[/quote]
yer, wat ep was that, i no the only fools are enslaved bit backwards ws not in porland ep, but whcih one is the movin clock ep
TMFT. When Locke had Ben hostage and Alex was retrieving Sayid’s bag.
[quote comment=”49457″]TMFT. When Locke had Ben hostage and Alex was retrieving Sayid’s bag.[/quote]
Sorry submitted too quickly…Ben was looking at picture of Alex on the wall, there was a clock under the pictures the clock’s time changed with each scene.
I believe it was TMFT. The clocks weren’t actually moving, but they did switch times depending on the shot. It could still be a continuity error.
I also like the latest theory, it has always been curious to me why Sayid and Hurley heard Big Band music on their radio (season 1?). However, Ben did have a videotape from the Red Sox winning the World Series which (in island time) is very recent.
I also like the latest theory, it has always been curious to me why Sayid and Hurley heard Big Band music on their radio (season 1?). However, Ben did have a videotape from the Red Sox winning the World Series which (in island time) is very recent.[/quote]
well i think that maybe widmore (penny’s dad) is jacob, and she found out somehow from him des is on the island, so thats how she new about the anomaly, to detect the anomaly, tahts what wud make sense to me, or he may not be jacob, but a sponsor of the initiative and gets yearly check ups and was told thst the only station carryin on work is the swan, which he was told had des in, or he planned the route in the solar race around the world so des crashed on the island, and penny cud move on
Kate didn’t kill Tom. He was shot by the cop.[/quote]
i thought he died in the car accident.
[quote comment=”49456″][quote comment=”49453″][quote comment=”49448″]Dragonfly:
Awesome theory! I was thinking that the island existed in all times simultaneously, but I think your idea makes more sense especially with the way the clock was moving in that episode!
Only fools are constrained by time and space…I hope you’re right.[/quote]
what episode were the clocks moving in & how did u notice it?[/quote]
yer, wat ep was that, i no the only fools are enslaved bit backwards ws not in porland ep, but whcih one is the movin clock ep[/quote]
It was the scene in Man from Tallahassee where Ben was looking at pictures on the wall of Alex. It was clear to me, from the way they filmed the shot, that the only real reason to show that was for us to get a glimpse of that clock. The writers are clever and wouldnt waste a few minutes of airtime on Ben glancing at pictures without a reason (i.e. to show that clock). The time changes back and forth multiple times. I think the island is in a constantly changing location in time. As someone else pointed out, the brainwashing video said ‘only fools are enslaved by time and space’
It was the scene in Man from Tallahassee where Ben was looking at pictures on the wall of Alex. It was clear to me, from the way they filmed the shot, that the only real reason to show that was for us to get a glimpse of that clock. The writers are clever and wouldnt waste a few minutes of airtime on Ben glancing at pictures without a reason (i.e. to show that clock). The time changes back and forth multiple times. I think the island is in a constantly changing location in time. As someone else pointed out, the brainwashing video said ‘only fools are enslaved by time and space'[/quote]
thats a good point,but only FOOLS are enslaved in time. and if clocks are moving time so randomly, then why would the others choose to keep them? and i have just watched that episode and the clocks dont look like they are special enough to change time to each different location, maybe ben staring at the pictures is to show us how much he loves alex, becuase most pictures were of her. and i think the clock thing hsas no relavence to the show. but good theory
[quote comment=”49643″]It was the scene in Man from Tallahassee where Ben was looking at pictures on the wall of Alex. It was clear to me, from the way they filmed the shot, that the only real reason to show that was for us to get a glimpse of that clock. The writers are clever and wouldnt waste a few minutes of airtime on Ben glancing at pictures without a reason (i.e. to show that clock). The time changes back and forth multiple times. I think the island is in a constantly changing location in time. As someone else pointed out, the brainwashing video said ‘only fools are enslaved by time and space'[/quote]
thats a good point,but only FOOLS are enslaved in time. and if clocks are moving time so randomly, then why would the others choose to keep them? and i have just watched that episode and the clocks dont look like they are special enough to change time to each different location, maybe ben staring at the pictures is to show us how much he loves alex, becuase most pictures were of her. and i think the clock thing hsas no relavence to the show. but good theory[/quote]
I see your point, but I actually think the whole point of that shot was to show the clock’s constantly changing time. The island is not enslaved by time or space- meaning it is constantly changing location in time and space. The “fools” enslaved by time and space would be people in real time, not those on the island.
It seems to me there are too many references to time in LOST for it to not be a pivotal part of the overall mythology. There was even a scene very early on where Sayid and Hurley are on the beach and hear a song on their radio, and Sayid says radio waves can travel far and come from anywhere- and Hurley says “or any time”.
It seems to me there are too many references to time in LOST for it to not be a pivotal part of the overall mythology. There was even a scene very early on where Sayid and Hurley are on the beach and hear a song on their radio, and Sayid says radio waves can travel far and come from anywhere- and Hurley says “or any time”.[/quote]
That line has all ways been really spooky & freaky and that was the only point of the scene, for hurley to say “or any time.”
[quote comment=”50422″]It seems to me there are too many references to time in LOST for it to not be a pivotal part of the overall mythology. There was even a scene very early on where Sayid and Hurley are on the beach and hear a song on their radio, and Sayid says radio waves can travel far and come from anywhere- and Hurley says “or any time”.[/quote]
That line has all ways been really spooky & freaky and that was the only point of the scene, for hurley to say “or any time.”[/quote]
I think you’re dead on right.
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