The Brig

John Locke from Lost

We’ve finally reached the best day of the week. Based on the Official Podcast, tonight’s no-flashback episode should answer a number of questions, and I am sure in typical Lost fashion, create quite a few as well. I am excited for all of these reasons:

Warning, Spoilers!

  • We will find out what Locke has been up to since we last saw him, and supposedly how his father ended up on the Island as well
  • Finally, the name of the not-so-mysterious parachutist will be officially revealed (AKA Season 3’s Worst Kept Secret): Naomi Doret for the two people that are still unaware, and yes, the name is of some “Dickensonian” relevance. More importantly, we will also get a better explanation of her understanding of what happened to Oceanic Flight 815
  • The Others – Why did they tuck tail and run with heavy artillery? Hopefully we’ll get that answer as well.

Put your thinking caps on folks, D&C are adamant that the “Purgatory” theories are not an option.

Here’s the official description from abc.com for the new Lost episode “The Brig”:

Locke tries to persuade Sawyer to help rid them of a great nemesis, and the survivors learn some shocking information about Oceanic Flight 815 on the next episode of ABC’ Lost. Wednesday, May 2 at 10/9c

Preview for The Brig

You can also view a sneak peek of The Brig

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418 Responses to The Brig

  1. Toeknee says:

    No offense, Nick, but I’d consider that picture from “The Brig” a pretty big spoiler.

  2. Will says:

    [quote comment=”54987″]No offense, Nick, but I’d consider that picture from “The Brig” a pretty big spoiler.[/quote]
    Thanks Toeknee, the image has been removed.

  3. Toeknee says:

    Thank YOU, Will. Keep up the good work.

  4. lost chicka says:

    so i was right about naomi’s last name being from a Charles Dickens book.

  5. Other 218 says:

    One might say that the title of the episode “The ****” is a spoiler – arrgh matey. I thought the pic was okay, just a preview, didn’t spoil a thing. A spoiler is something that answers an open question. The picture was simply a tease – not an answer to a question.
    Some could say the name Naomi is a spoiler too. We don’t even know her name yet – in the course of the story.

  6. Toeknee says:

    I may have overreacted a bit, but the picture showed something we haven’t seen before. It’s not a major spoiler, but I personally wish I hadn’t seen it. Also note that the 4th bullet under “Leave a Reply” says “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews!”

  7. Tina says:

    I caught this on my fourth watch through:

    Naomi Dorrit (like Little Dorrit, good job Lost Chicka) had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22. I wonder if this is further indication of her connection to Penny, a posh Brit lady herself and less of a connection to the men in the listening station.

  8. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55032″]I may have overreacted a bit, but the picture showed something we haven’t seen before. It’s not a major spoiler, but I personally wish I hadn’t seen it. Also note that the 4th bullet under “Leave a Reply” says “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews!”[/quote]

    Great observation sir.

  9. Will says:

    [quote comment=”55027″]One might say that the title of the episode “The ****” is a spoiler – arrgh matey. I thought the pic was okay, just a preview, didn’t spoil a thing. A spoiler is something that answers an open question. The picture was simply a tease – not an answer to a question.
    Some could say the name Naomi is a spoiler too. We don’t even know her name yet – in the course of the story.[/quote]
    Other 218 – I pretty much agree with what you are saying here, and as always we will do our best to toe the line of preview vs. spoiler with these posts.

    I really just hope the episode tonight lives up to the hype!

  10. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”55036″]I really just hope the episode tonight lives up to the hype![/quote]I am sure it will surpass all the hype. This is Round One in the Battle Royale that is the sweeps/ratings month of May (at least in the U.S.). If I were producing LOST, this ep would set the tone for the final eps of the season. I wouldn’t answer many big questions tonight, but I would “set the scene” to have the big questions answered in the coming weeks (along with more big questions – per std LOST formula).

  11. Okan says:

    This is going to be one hell of an episode!

  12. SpinPapi says:

    Hmmm…I dunno. I’m pretty upset about this NEW shot you’ve got up there…of Locke, in the jungle? Now we didn’t know he was gonna be in the jungle again and not underground or undersea or wherever all those fleeing Others are. I’d say THAT’S letting on QUITE A BIT. 😉

  13. poopypants says:

    while everyone whines and complains about what is and isn’t a spoiler(jj)maybe someone can come up with a theory as to what Hurley and Jin were up to in the spoiler.Seems like they were up to something and Hurley,bless his heart,is such a poor liar.I wonder why Locke said he cant kill Ben and needs Sawyer to do it,and didnt you think he was going to ask Sawyer to kill Cooper,hmm,maybe some tricky editing of the promo to throw people off,thoughts?

  14. poopypants says:

    and im getting a really bad vibe off “Jack” or who ever is pretending to be Jack!

  15. alx says:

    i thinl that the girl from the helicopter is an other because when she said there all dead, ther not, so maybe ben sent her to trick them. if not im lost!

  16. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment=”55033″]I caught this on my fourth watch through:

    Naomi Dorrit (like Little Dorrit, good job Lost Chicka) had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22. I wonder if this is further indication of her connection to Penny, a posh Brit lady herself and less of a connection to the men in the listening station.[/quote]

    I just noticed that today too. It was a very pronounced accent, I’m surprised no one brought it up on the comments to D.O.C.

  17. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55033″]I caught this on my fourth watch through:

    Naomi Dorrit (like Little Dorrit, good job Lost Chicka) had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22. I wonder if this is further indication of her connection to Penny, a posh Brit lady herself and less of a connection to the men in the listening station.[/quote]

    thank you very much.

    – i really hope sawyer shoots cooper. i’ve been waitin 3 friggin seasons for this moment & if he doesn’t shoot him cause he’s to soft now, i will scream! he better shoot him!

    – i think Jack’s working with the others. if i had the choice between living in a real house and a make shift tent, i’d pick the real house. between real food – a hamburger we’ll say – & oatmeal, i’d pick the hamburger. between being protected by the others or being killed by the others, well i think u know what i’m gonna say. And jack is a doctor, i think they probably have another medical mystery & they want him to help. he was with them for like a week & God knows what they did to him.

    – who cares about the pictures? they’re not telling u anything!

  18. stebs says:

    Poopypants said:

    I wonder why Locke said he cant kill Ben and needs Sawyer to do it

    I don’t think it’s Ben they’re talking about. Locke says something about taking “him” from Ben’s tent, but I think “him” is his father/The Real Sawyer rather than Ben, and obviously that would explain why James might be up to the job. Also it implies Locke escaped from The Others rather than being set free or having had the ability to leave of his own free will (because we don’t really know the circumstances for his being with them since they disappeared).

    The Dickens reference in Naomi’s last name along with The Others’ guns and cages infer some sort of prison and I’m wondering whether it’s meant to be metaphorical or literal. Could the Island be some sort of prison reform experiment? The smoke monster a sort of judge and executioner (though that still doesn’t explain what it is or how it exists)? The other sci-fi aspects of the island (higher sperm counts, fast healing, no cancer til Ben) some sort of experimentation being conducted by The Others on The Losties, who themselves would then be the prisoners? Or if not a prison, a sanitarium?

    Sorry for the rambling post and apologies if this has been discussed before elsewhere.

  19. stebs says:

    I also meant to mention this episode’s title as part of the “prison island” theory.

  20. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”55134″][quote comment=”55033″]I caught this on my fourth watch through: Naomi… had a heavy posh British English accent when she spoke english to Hurley in Catch 22…[/quote]I just noticed that today too. It was a very pronounced accent, I’m surprised no one brought it up on the comments to D.O.C.[/quote] The ‘posh’ english accent the actress Marsha Thomason has is her own, from Northern England (think Daphne Moon from Frasier). Lancashire/Manchester accents aren’t necessarily considered as ‘posh’ as they are considered ‘working class’, like Trebiani from Brooklyn, “hey… how you doin’?”.

  21. poopypants says:

    I thought Sawyer was going to kill Cooper too but in the second preview posted above,titled “sneak peak of the Brig”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LBRISz8qUI(remember this link was posted by Nick ok,so dont freek out at me)Ben says “I snuck into Bens tent and kidnapped him and I wan’t you to kill him” and he goes farther to say “this is the guy who locked you up and tortured you ect”.
    I was waiting for 2 years for sawyer to kill Cooper (as someone posted above) so I will be disapointed if its turns out to be Ben he wants killed,thoughts?

  22. lost chicka says:

    I know you’re not supposed to have spoilers in you’re comments so i’m warning you now. This thread right now is basically a spoiler & the show starts in 20 minutes so whatever. I just can’t help myself! I read the insiderscoop on this other website & i just can’t help myself. I have to post my comments here! I’ve warned u so it’s you’re fault if u continue reading!!!!!!!!
    3 HUGE things u might wanna know:
    1) sawyer kills cooper. u haven’t been waitin 3 years for nothin.
    2) sayid questions naomi & believes her (i won’t untill she has her own flashbacks & i’m convinced otherwise. untill then, everything she says i will be treating like bull)
    3) jack IS working with the others. at least working with julliette.
    I’m sorry again. u can delete this.

  23. poopypants says:

    This “jack” we see now is just Ben’s puppet or maybe this isn’t Jack,I dont know fellow posters but something tells me there is going to something HUGE comming up with ole Jack.

  24. Alex says:

    It was a very good episode.
    I called the entire thing, but still.

    I don’t think it would fit Locke’s character to kill his own father.
    It just wouldn’t be right.

    I think the idea that Jack is working with the Others is silly. Jack wouldn’t do that…it’s just not the type of character he is.

  25. lost chicka says:

    how is it not in his character? 1) he always has to have something to fix, 2) he’s a doctor & they have a hospital, 3) he’s already helped the Others out & turned his back on the losties once, everything gets easier the more u do it.

  26. meathead says:

    Did Cooper (Tom Sawyer) have a different accent? It sounded more Southern. Maybe it’s just my imagination.

  27. Cog says:

    Cooper definitely sounded more southern to me, too.

    Loved the episode, though.

    I’m going to believe CC and DL when they say it’s not purgatory. I’m going to assume that Locke didn’t actually imagine Cooper into being, and say that Cooper was actually kidnapped by the others.

    The question then becomes–why did they kidnap him? And why did they all want him dead so badly?

    Was it really just a test for Locke? Or was it more than that??

  28. lostjunkie says:

    great episode… conflicted about locke’s appraoch to manipulating sawyer to kill his father- seems like he mihgt fit in just fine with the others. i believe jack is working with juliettte but not the others… they are both in bad situations and want out. i do not think jack is one to be manipulated easily. he is controlling and ultimatly self serving despite his leadership and wanting to fix things- helping/fixing others can also be an extremly self serving behavior. i hope sun kicks juliette’s ass at some point.

  29. Midgee says:

    I think you all need to shut up about spoilers. If you don’t want a spoiler then don’t read this blog. You sound like such incredible babies!

    Great episode, tonight. Can’t wait until next week!

  30. lost chicka says:

    Friggin Awesome Episode! Best one all season long!!!! Lots of thoughts & questions:

    – yes!!!!!!! yes! yes! yes! i knew they wouldn’t make me wait 3 seasons just to watch Locke kill the ole bastard instead or sawyer!!!

    – y does danielle want dynamite?

    – i luv how ben turns julliette in to Locke & locke gives it all away to Sawyer. But y is ben telling locke about julliette’s mission?

    – Kate is the stupidest love sick b**** in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y the hell would she do something that stupid??!?!?!?!? Cause she’s a love sick puppy! I HATE her now. forget it. she should be preggers, probably is, & should definitely die! i can’t believe how dang stupid she is!

    – I would just like to say: I told u so! ( I know, very childish) Jack is working with the Others & he knows as much, if not more, than Julliette. Oh and for the record, I really don’t think that the Jack we see now is a poser. It’s Jack & he’s being a traitor to the 815ers. Jack is saying to many weird lines to Julliette to not be working with the Others.

    – Sawyer better get there fast & beat the crap outta Julliette & Jack before it’s to late! Sayid is welcome to help too. Oh, and they can beat Kate up too. And Naomi.

    – I can’t believe that Sayid is actually gonna trust Naomi! She’s from Dharma. Don’t care what they tell us. Untill she has her own flashback episode that tells me she is who she says, i don’t trust her or believe her. She’s LYING! She’s dharma or an Other.

    – I luv ben. I know he’s a SOB but he is awesome. He’s hard to figure out. I think that’s what makes a good character, being complicated. That would be y my favorite characters r sawyer, locke, ben, sayid, & sun.

    – best lines: sawyer’s “after you’re blow up everything that could get us off the island tour” line.
    Cooper (that SOB) calling ben bug eyed. Lol.

    – so I’m still confused here. Does locke want to be one of the others or help the losties? He tells sawyer about everything he knows, but he’s going to go back & say he killed cooper to be one of the others? He’s so confusing & I luv it. (being confused).

    – locke having to kill his daddy to get in with the others confirms that in order to get into the others little group u first must kill. So julliette killing pickett was how she got into the group (if u ask me).

    – ethan & the dude who recruite julliette can go to & from the island.

    – how many times did sawyer use the SOB phrase in this ep? He’s back to his normal self. Killing, cussing, & bein a plane ole badass!!!! sawyer the badass is back! HALLELUIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    – we missed the scene where Locke blew up the Black Rock.

    Questions That Show How Dumb I Am Sometimes:
    – y the hell was Sawyer throwing up?
    – so is naomi Australian? She said mate. & apparently she wa in the coptor alone.

  31. Becky says:

    Amazing episode! I have sooooooooooo many observations but it’d take too long.

  32. Becky says:

    by the way, Hurley is getting too fat…I wonder if Jorge Garcia’s health is okay. And Sayid’s nails are waaaaaaaaaay too long!

  33. Christine says:

    Did I hear this or not? Did I hear Locke say to Sawyer that there are three pregnant women at the camp that the others are going to kidnap? Three? I can count 1,2, but 3?

  34. bigfan says:

    We now know for sure that when we were told that “no one can get on and off the island since the plan crash” is not true becasue Richard somehow made it back on to the island after the crash. Remember he was on the “main land” videotaping Rachel when the plan crashed. And he for sure wasn’t using the submarine since it was still there.

  35. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”55183″]Questions That Show How Dumb I Am Sometimes:
    – y the hell was Sawyer throwing up?
    – so is naomi Australian? She said mate. & apparently she wa in the coptor alone.[/quote]
    – Sawyer blowing guts: It was his lifetime goal, his quest, the essence of his soul to wreak revenge on this person that destroyed his life, his family. Plus Cooper ripped up his letter – his link to family. Rip up the sole thing that means the most to you – see how you feel.
    – Aussies, Scots, English, Welsh, some Irish and some Canucks use “mate” frequently and freely. No biggie there.

  36. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55185″]by the way, Hurley is getting too fat…I wonder if Jorge Garcia’s health is okay. And Sayid’s nails are waaaaaaaaaay too long![/quote]

    agreed. sayid needs nail clippers & hurley needs to go on the crash survivor’s diet. now, let’s get back to the episode at hand.

    1) y does danielle need dynamite?
    2) Sawyer is back to his badass self. buh-bye Mr. sensitive hello Southern BadAss! How many times did he use the SOB phrase?
    3) Jack & Julliette ARE working with the Others. I’m telling u. Jack has had to many creepy lines with Julliette to not be. They’re not working to protect the losties. They’re working to take all the women with the Others an make sure it’s done safely.
    4) Y did Ben hand over that tape & all the information over to Locke?
    5)In Order for u to become an other, u must first kill. Locke had to kill his daddy or at least take credit for it to get into the club & Julliette killed Pickett to get her first backstabbing mission.

  37. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55187″]Did I hear this or not? Did I hear Locke say to Sawyer that there are three pregnant women at the camp that the others are going to kidnap? Three? I can count 1,2, but 3?[/quote]

    No, they’re gonna take ALL the women in THREE days.

  38. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55189″][quote comment=”55183″]Questions That Show How Dumb I Am Sometimes:
    – y the hell was Sawyer throwing up?
    – so is naomi Australian? She said mate. & apparently she wa in the coptor alone.[/quote]
    – Sawyer blowing guts: It was his lifetime goal, his quest, the essence of his soul to wreak revenge on this person that destroyed his life, his family. Plus Cooper ripped up his letter – his link to family. Rip up the sole thing that means the most to you – see how you feel.
    – Aussies, Scots, English, Welsh, some Irish and some Canucks use “mate” frequently and freely. No biggie there.[/quote]

    thank u for clearin that up for me (i can be reall dumb sometimes :> ).

  39. Christine says:

    ooooohhh. yikes. ALL the women. I don’t like the sound of that AT all. Thanks for clearing that up for me, lost chicka.

  40. blah blah says:

    here is something i thought was interesting….naomi told syid to remind her not to rescue him….those that go along with the time differential thing???

  41. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55194″]ooooohhh. yikes. ALL the women. I don’t like the sound of that AT all. Thanks for clearing that up for me, lost chicka.[/quote]

    welcome.

  42. bigfan says:

    Ben didn’t hand over the tape to Locke. Locke watch were he put the tape and I am sure went back to steal it. However, Ben is smart and I am pretty sure he planned that whole thing. If he didn’t want Locke to have that tape, he would have made sure he didn’t get it. I think that it is part of Ben and Juliets (and Jack I guess) plan for the losties to find out that juliet is a plant. If the others didn’t want the losties to know, they would have made sure they didn’t find out. The others are smart and malipulative and plan out everything they do. It is all on purpose.

  43. Christine says:

    [quote comment=”55191″][quote comment=”55187″]Did I hear this or not? Did I hear Locke say to Sawyer that there are three pregnant women at the camp that the others are going to kidnap? Three? I can count 1,2, but 3?[/quote]

    No, they’re gonna take ALL the women in THREE days.[/quote]
    Oh dear. I don’t like that at all, not AT all.

  44. cazzie says:

    great ep. loved it…..as everyone thought…man from tallahasee was the real sawyer. no its not “hell” why would all the children be there…i dont think they would have done anything in their lives to cause that…..what will the next eps. tell us…i can only wait…..yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  45. karuzo says:

    Ok, I think I am on to something here, although I cannot explain everything.
    I am starting to tend towards this might be a part of a cult, a religous one. At one scene Lock approached Ben while Ben was reading a book quickly hiding it as Lock approached him. Could it be a bible? Can we assume Ben is a priest trying to start something? Some time ago I remember seeing AnaLucia finding preist’s clothing and a bible in a cave – can that be Ben’s?
    Sawyer – His real name is James. His motehr’s name is Mary. Can it be that it is an analogy to st. mary, Jesus’s mother? Can it be that Sawyer is the ONE who ‘brought’ Lock’s father to the island and he was the one supposed to kill him? Can it be that James is supposed to take place as Jesus in the eye of the cult?
    3 women are pregnant – I think one of them is Juliette (I am sure someone allready mentioned this before)?

  46. Locke, Stock and Barrel says:

    I understood it to be that the others are coming in three days to get just the preggos. Not all the women.

    Unless they’re martians… (RE: Old “B” movie, Mars Needs Women)

  47. Other 218 says:

    One ‘global’ note. Cooper said Flt 815 went down near Bali in 4 miles (20,000-21,000ft) of water that works out, there is a deep trench off of Bali – BUT – Bali is 3,000+ miles NORTHWEST of Sydney, Australia. Up to this point, everything has indicated that 815 went down 3,000+ mile NORTHEAST of Sydney.

  48. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55201″]Ok, I think I am on to something here, although I cannot explain everything.
    I am starting to tend towards this might be a part of a cult, a religous one. At one scene Lock approached Ben while Ben was reading a book quickly hiding it as Lock approached him. Could it be a bible? Can we assume Ben is a priest trying to start something? Some time ago I remember seeing AnaLucia finding preist’s clothing and a bible in a cave – can that be Ben’s?
    Sawyer – His real name is James. His motehr’s name is Mary. Can it be that it is an analogy to st. mary, Jesus’s mother? Can it be that Sawyer is the ONE who ‘brought’ Lock’s father to the island and he was the one supposed to kill him? Can it be that James is supposed to take place as Jesus in the eye of the cult?
    3 women are pregnant – I think one of them is Juliette (I am sure someone allready mentioned this before)?[/quote]

    GREAT theory!!!!! luv it! Sawyer wants revenge more than ANYTHING else in the world, & he got it.

    but i’m confused here. does locke want to be one of the Others or just want to know the islands secrets? does he want to help the losties or hurt the losties? he’s so twisted. i can’t ever figure out if he’s good or bad.

  49. bigfan says:

    I think when Locke said, “I am on my own journey now,” he meant it. I don’t think he is with anyone, I think he is only thinking about himself right now and he is going to do whatever it takes to help himself.

  50. Wm I says:

    (per Ben)- they are waiting and hoping for someone “special” to arrive on the island. They may have believed it was Locke, but he couldn’t kill Cooper. Maybe they will believe Sun’s baby is the “immaculate conception”.

  51. lost chicka says:

    Kate is SOOOOOO stupid! Sayid told her not to tell anyone & that included Jack! Nobody trusts Jack for a reason, he doesn’t want her, y doesn’t she take a hint? She ain’t makin Jack jealous by sleeping with Sawyer, that type of stuff NEVER works, there’s a reason nobody else trusts him, he doesn’t want her, & he’s not helpin anybody but the Others out here. And again for the 5 people who r gonna say he ain’t gonna help the others cause he’s a self less hero, he sold out the rest of the 815ers for a trip home in the yellow submarine. He’s already helped them out once. Everything gets easier the more u do it, including backstabbing people.

  52. Jake says:

    I agree that Locke is on his own journey. He has always seemed to have his own reasons for doing things.

    What about Des though? He also seems to be on his own path.

    I don’t trust Sayeed at this point either. I don’t think that we have been given a reason to.

  53. Panda says:

    Loved the last few eps.

    – Why plant Danielle right in the middle of that episode unless she has a big role to play? What is she going to blow up with the dynamite? Perhaps trying to get her daughter back? She’s going to play a part in the finale I think.

    – Ben definitely seemed to be manipulating Locke to kill his dad. In the preview for next week, however, Ben looks surprised when Locke plops his dead dad down. Perhaps Ben really did try and set Locke up to fail because he’s worried about Locke taking power/control of the Others? The question is, was Richard giving Locke the file on Sawyer legit (i.e. Richard and Juliette want a change of leadership) or another part of Ben’s manipulation?

    – Juliette says “I hate you” to the recorder–I think she legitamately does. She’s still playing along with Ben’s wishes because she still desperately wants off the island. She also said to Kate, “we should tell her” and Jack says “not yet”–this is either the fact that Kate is pregnant, or that those two have some sort of plan up their sleeves for when the Others come back for the women, i.e. Juliette has told Jack she’s a plant and they’re going to con the Others. We’ll see. Or Jack’s just being duped.

    – Patchy absolutely came running way too fast when he saw that flare–he knew someone was coming with a flare gun and that person would have a means of communicating with the outside world. Naomi is definitely part of the Others or in cahoots with whatever other organization is trying to get back in touch with them after the “sky turned purple” and they lost all communication. But why dupe Desmond? And why show Penny and the people in the communication ship at the end of season 2? And if Naomi was planning on dropping in and giving Patchy the satellite phone, why didn’t it work right away? Not sure about this one.

    Can’t wait for the next few eps to finally answer what’s up with Dharma and the Others!

  54. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”55206″]
    but i’m confused here. does locke want to be one of the Others or just want to know the islands secrets? does he want to help the losties or hurt the losties? he’s so twisted. i can’t ever figure out if he’s good or bad.[/quote]
    I agree with bigfan. Locke started on a coordinated infiltration mission. Jack knew that Locke was ‘going in’, and I believe that Juliet may have known too. Jack and Juliet are in cahoots in support of Locke, but they don’t want to reveal too much too soon to the Losties [That is going to come back & bite Jack in the butt in the next few eps]. Cooper was Sawyers’ lifetime quest, but Cooper was the quest for many of Lockes’ adult years – Sawyer could kill because he had killed before (recently) – Locke could not because “I’m not a killer”. How was Saywer lured to Australia, someone claimed (falsely) to know where conman Tom Sawyer was. (he was baited onto 815).
    – And what was the deal with Richard Alpert? – giving Coopers file to Locke so Locke would go get Sawyer to do the murder. And bad-mouthing Ben behind his back? Genuine, or was it bait as well for Locke? (provided by both Alpert & Ben).

  55. Laura R says:

    Any theories on what Juliette wanted to tell Kate that Jack did not?

  56. FMGreenSteve says:

    Here are my thoughts on this weeks episode:

    Read all comments before commenting. If something has already been said, there is no need to say it again.

    Stay on topic. If your comment is about last week’s episode it belongs in that comment thread. Search and find the right post.

    Be constructive, don’t complain about Lost unless you want to discuss your complaint.

    No spoilers or discussion of episode previews!

    Be kind and helpful.

  57. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”55216″]
    – Ben definitely seemed to be manipulating Locke to kill his dad. In the preview for next week, however, Ben looks ********* ***** **** *** **** *** ****.
    – Juliette says “I hate you” to the recorder–I think she legitamately does.[/quote]
    – No comments about previews allowed here, plz – thanx. ROE posted in the guidelines on this page.
    – Juliet says “I hate you” about Ben. BUT she had just turned OFF the recorder. So no one except her knows that. I think she hates Ben too, that is why she is truly aligned with Jack now, ‘cept NO Lostie believes she is on their side but Jack (maybe Locke knows too).

  58. Tailie in 42C says:

    [quote comment=”55219″]Any theories on what Juliette wanted to tell Kate that Jack did not?[/quote]
    my guess is her & jack are working undercover like lock but like jack said dont tell kate yet.. they have a masterplan they are working

  59. lost chicka says:

    Panda:
    my thoughts exactly about Danielle & the dynamite. I’ve asked that question already too. Nobody’s answered it for me either. 😦

    i know y’all want to find out that jack & julliete r really good people but i just don’t think so. jack & julliette keep on having these really wierd lines almost like they’re laughing at how easy it is to con the 815ers. Jack was with the Others for a week after Ben’s surgery (i keep on repeating this). They probably ate cake in front of him going “u want it, help us.” (& i mean that metaphorically). Jack has changed. He started out as basically the hero, but now he’s picked himself over his plane crash buddies (ex. doin surgery on Ben in order to get HIMSELF off the island. not him & the 815ers or just the 815ers but HIM). i think Julliette wants to tell Kate that she could be preggers & wants to test her. OR diabolical plan here: jack & julliette r gonna say “we have a plan to get u all safe & kick the Others butts” but magically Ben & friends r gonna show up & take everybody prisoners but 3 people: Jack, Julliette, & Naomi. i just don’t like jack, & think he’s with the Others & i’m very stubborn.

    i think Naomi was sent by dharma. Dharma lets the Others live on the island or think that they are still in control of the island. 2 hatches blow up & the sky turns purple so Naomi is sent by DHARMA to investigate. They’re using Desmond’s love of Penny against him. THey know he’s been in one of the hatches that blew up & want to know y he did it so they’re gonna use his luv against him. Patchy knew that DHARMA would be coming soon since MR. John Locke blew up the flame & was searching for her.

    & about Julliette sayin she hates Ben. u can hate ur boss but luv ur job. she hates ben, but luvs the mystery of y u can’t get knocke up on the island.

  60. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55222″]Here are my thoughts on this weeks episode:

    Read all comments before commenting. If something has already been said, there is no need to say it again.

    Stay on topic. If your comment is about last week’s episode it belongs in that comment thread. Search and find the right post.

    Be constructive, don’t complain about Lost unless you want to discuss your complaint.

    No spoilers or discussion of episode previews!

    Be kind and helpful.[/quote]

    thanks sheriff.

  61. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”55222″]Stay on topic. If your comment is about last week’s episode it belongs in that comment thread. Search and find the right post.
    [/quote]
    I agree with all the guidelines, but in fairness, some folks just saw DOC for the first time tonight, just before The Brig. You know how some get all excited, and the two episodes kind of blend together, and… well… I can see how one might directly cite a DOC moment, particularly if they are using their DOC observation to directly support a statement they are making about The Brig. Even the blog police will allow a little leeway there (I hope). AND kind and helpful is always the most important guideline.

  62. Other 218 says:

    Danielle gets what? a 45 second cameo. Locke is non-chalant, points to the explosives, WARNS her that the dynamite is “unstable”. Hmmmm, I can only imagine what her target, but maybe, just maybe, with unstable mitro, she accidently blows herself up… Cooper is gone, maybe Danielle goes (blows) next.

  63. cazzie says:

    why would naomi tell syaid “remeind me not to save you.” how would she “save” him. she all messed up right now…unless its a time travel thing she knows about and can come back later????

  64. I continue to think there’s hope for Juliet, and I absolutely *don’t* think Jack’s an Other… it just doesn’t jive with the flow of the story to this point.

    I wonder if Ben didn’t let John see where the tape recorder is on purpose, so that the Losties *would* realize that Juliet is a mole. In other words, perhaps Ben is intentionally allowing Juliet’s cover to be blown. Why would he do so? Beats me. But he seems way to smart to just leave the tape recorder sitting around.

  65. Other 218 says:

    Last stray observation (for now). Ben says the Others are headed to someplace NEW… uh… well… someplace OLD. My guess – old to the island project/cult – new to US LOST FANS.
    (nitro not mitro – doh)

  66. FMGreenSteve says:

    [quote comment=”55226″]
    thanks sheriff.[/quote]

    [quote comment=”55228″]I agree with all the guidelines, but in fairness, some folks just saw DOC for the first time tonight, just before The Brig. You know how some get all excited, and the two episodes kind of blend together, and… well… I can see how one might directly cite a DOC moment, particularly if they are using their DOC observation to directly support a statement they are making about The Brig. Even the blog police will allow a little leeway there (I hope). AND kind and helpful is always the most important guideline.[/quote]

    They aren’t my rules, and I’m certainly no sheriff, I just like to keep things fair for the majority of the people here. It’s no secret that the reason most of us have attached ourselves to this specific Lost-site is because we feel safe from spoilers here.

    The main thing that bugs me is redundancy. 100 quality comments are worth far more than 200 comments with same information.

    Anyway, this is not the proper place for this sort of discussion, back to The Brig.

    …there are only 4 hours left of Season 3!

  67. adam&nick says:

    one word… CLONES. jack, claire, charlie, michael. patches (we saw him die). the whole other set of losties at the bottom of the sea. danielle probably knows this and is waiting out to see who is who. are the clones self-aware? i don’t know. but this could also tie into the whole desmond “reliving” things. possible? and is it just a production schedule thing, or what- but why do we go whole episodes without seeing even a glimse of claire?

  68. adam&nick says:

    and… i think sayid sent kate to tell jack. it looks like she did it impulsively, but that is a classic move we’ll find out about in a flashback!

  69. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55230″]why would naomi tell syaid “remeind me not to save you.” how would she “save” him. she all messed up right now…unless its a time travel thing she knows about and can come back later????[/quote]

    i know! reason no.1 y i don’t believe her.

    how come we didn’t get to see locke blowing up the black rock? or what danielle was blowing up? does she have to get it so her & the rest of the others can get into the new-old place? no, i don’t think she’s one of them.

    cooper had it comin with the way he was actin about connin Sawyer’s (sorry, i’ll NEVER be able to call him James) mama. I really liked Cooper callin ben bug eyed. finally a good line from that SOB!

    when Ben & Locke left the room where cooper was, Tom (or Zeke, or what’s his name?) stayed in there with him. What did he do with cooper? Surprised nobody’s mentioned that yet.

  70. lost chicka says:

    adam&nick:

    D&C said in the podcast that Patchy didn’t die & we’ll see that in a flashback episode.

    no. sayid told kate to not tell anyone. anyone includes the 2 people who nobody trusts right now.

  71. DocH says:

    Some questions I need help on.
    – Didn’t Locke have a problem with his legs failing to the point that he could not walk the last time he was in the vicinity of the Black Rock? Or was it the drug plane in the trees? I forget.
    – Just how mobile is Richard Alpert? We saw Ben talk to Alpert “via uplink” and courtesy of Mikhail at the comm station before it was blown-up. Ben said “see you soon Richard”.

    PS: As far as what D & C proclaim in the podcast. The have gone back on (lied about) a few things in the past. Maybe not “lied” but have stretched the truth, or gave partial twisted truths. No one should incorporate the podcast into their theories. The podcast is NOT the show.

  72. Nail says:

    Ben looked really surprised about Locke’s questioning him about the set-up regarding Locke’s inability to kill his dad. “where did you get this idea?” Ben said to Locke. Therefore I don’t believe it is an elaborate plan by Richard and Ben to dupe Locke.

  73. cazzie says:

    what does everyone think about how cooper “da real sawyer” came to the island. the others found out who he was, staged an accident with him and than brought him to the island….he said they were going 70 mph when the accident accured, do u think he was that banged up and the island cured him? and why take the risk of that accident to bring him to the island.why not just grab him and bring him…maybe therei s something to this “death” thing to the island, like when juiete was getting ready to first come to the island, they had her drink something, maybe that “drink” actually killed her and she was dead but somehow the island brought her back to life, so what im saying is that everyone is dead in the “real world” and the island is a life contuity area..or something like that…LOL just a wild thought.

  74. lost chicka says:

    is it just me, or is Sayid only trusting Naomi cause she has a new cell phone for him to play with? in the tent he didn’t trust her till she pulled out the radio & then he goes “ooh! a new play toy!” & suddenly he trusts her? what are they doing with sayid!!!???

  75. Nail says:

    Coopers idea that they are in hell seems like an attempt to bait some of us down the wrong path. However, When Cindy said to Locke “we have been waiting for you”, it became clear to me that if Cooper is right, the others group would be “heaven” and the losties group “hell”. And the heavenly angels are trying to take the good ones off of the beach, including children and unborn babies (but not necessarily their moms)…with some exceptions.

  76. stormclouds13 says:

    I want to know who the EMT was who smiled at Cooper when he was getting his IV in the ambulence since he took so much care to mention this event. Is Ethan alive and back out in the real world again? That would totally be a creepy Ethan thing to do, grin at someone right before drugging and kidnapping him.

    And if you have to kill someone to be initiated into the Others, who the heck did mild-mannered Cindy kill to be not only an Other but the apparent caretaker of the children?

    I think we’ve gotten to a point where everyone is playing everyone else. No one can be trusted at this point. Others, Losties, Rousseau, Naomi…everyone is telling some sort of lie.

  77. Nail says:

    I don’t think that Sayid trusted her at all…even when he got his new toy. He has no reason to trust her anyway, especially since she told him she wouldn’t rescue him anymore. Who knows…maybe this is the beginning of another Sayid romance!

  78. desmondo says:

    wormhole dude. obviously it’s a wormhole. told you so.

  79. Terry says:

    a few thoughts:

    the plane was brought down by ben, he imagined it, just like cooper was brought by locke, the other plane is a farce, planted, lot’s of money in the whole magical island biznass i am sure of that, or at least good investors.

    roussoue- will blow something up, prob. to protect losties, or blow the camp

    lock does have his own mission, he respects the island, no one else does, he knows been does not, so he wont stand for it

    juliette and jack have a plan and jack is still good, he cant go bad, he’s jack

    the others kidnapped cooper, caused the accident, etc. brought to the island, he slept the whole way just like julliete.

  80. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55259″]I don’t think that Sayid trusted her at all…even when he got his new toy. He has no reason to trust her anyway, especially since she told him she wouldn’t rescue him anymore. Who knows…maybe this is the beginning of another Sayid romance![/quote]

    NO! it’s nadia, shannon or nobody! =) no, it would be nice for him to smile again. i don’t htink he’s smiled at all this season. he has a really nice smile (hehe). Oh, i know what’s going to happen! He’s goin to start thinkin about Nadia alot & she’ll show up in “the box”!

    it would be totally like Ethan to give an evil smile right before takin somebody to the island.

    I don’t think they’re in Hell, i think that’s jus how Cooper sees it. If it ain’t purgatory, i think hell is out of the picture too. I’m stuck on the Blackwhole theory.

  81. pinto says:

    [quote comment=”55225″]Panda:
    my thoughts exactly about Danielle & the dynamite. I’ve asked that question already too. Nobody’s answered it for me either. 😦

    i know y’all want to find out that jack & julliete r really good people but i just don’t think so. jack & julliette keep on having these really wierd lines almost like they’re laughing at how easy it is to con the 815ers. Jack was with the Others for a week after Ben’s surgery (i keep on repeating this). They probably ate cake in front of him going “u want it, help us.” (& i mean that metaphorically). Jack has changed. He started out as basically the hero, but now he’s picked himself over his plane crash buddies (ex. doin surgery on Ben in order to get HIMSELF off the island. not him & the 815ers or just the 815ers but HIM). i think Julliette wants to tell Kate that she could be preggers & wants to test her. OR diabolical plan here: jack & julliette r gonna say “we have a plan to get u all safe & kick the Others butts” but magically Ben & friends r gonna show up & take everybody prisoners but 3 people: Jack, Julliette, & Naomi. i just don’t like jack, & think he’s with the Others & i’m very stubborn.

    i think Naomi was sent by dharma. Dharma lets the Others live on the island or think that they are still in control of the island. 2 hatches blow up & the sky turns purple so Naomi is sent by DHARMA to investigate. They’re using Desmond’s love of Penny against him. THey know he’s been in one of the hatches that blew up & want to know y he did it so they’re gonna use his luv against him. Patchy knew that DHARMA would be coming soon since MR. John Locke blew up the flame & was searching for her.

    & about Julliette sayin she hates Ben. u can hate ur boss but luv ur job. she hates ben, but luvs the mystery of y u can’t get knocke up on the island.[/quote]

    i agree with you about jack being an other, i’m not sure if it’s just the actor or Jack himself, but he always looks like he’s hiding something, i think it’s his eyes, they look so strange, like he can see right through someone

    that kinda sounds crazy but whatever

  82. pinto says:

    i think war might break out between the others and Dharma and the losties are going to have to choose sides.

  83. lost chicka says:

    – thinkin about this episode, maybe it wasn’t only locke or not locke at all who brought cooper to the island. maybe it was sawyer. like karuzo said in comment 45 (i think), maybe it’s a cult.

    – when kate told jack about naomi, all he cared about was how she was in contact with her ship. that’s it. not that the 815ers don’t trust him which could really screw up the long con ben is planning. him & julliette looked at eahc other when kate told him about noami. Naomi is definitely NOT working for penny that’s just her cover, she has something to do with the long con (which really is what Lost is, little cons & long cons).

    – like stormclouds13 said, it’s every person for themselves now. jack (as i’ve repeatedly said) chose to try & get HIMself off the island by helping Ben. Ben now knows how he can get jack & julliette to do his every wish & is going to say he’ll get them off the island again & again. Ben has this little thing played out so Jack will still think he’s the boss, after all that’s how a good long con works: the person gettin conned thinks the plan is their idea.

  84. poopypants says:

    [quote comment=”55230″]why would naomi tell syaid “remeind me not to save you.” how would she “save” him. she all messed up right now…unless its a time travel thing she knows about and can come back later????[/quote]

    Its called sarcasm,she said that because Sayid was questioning her and inferring she was a liar.She would “save” him by getting him to the boat offshore.Come on ,follow the plot a bit better that that please.

  85. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”55255″]Coopers idea that they are in hell seems like an attempt to bait some of us down the wrong path.
    [/quote]
    We are getting baited down the wrong path – by the producers. They are teasing us with all of the ‘purgatory’ theories that are being pushed on the net. Cooper said its “getting kind of hot down here”, referring to hell. Then he teased “maybe that’s not where we are” [pp]. Implying that they were in purgatory, or maybe limbo, or whatever other levels there are between heaven/heck. All of the talk about “everyone on 815 died” that Naomi and Cooper have espoused lately, sure adds to the mis-information that is being pushed on us, and now the Losties.

  86. poopypants says:

    [quote comment=”55254″]is it just me, or is Sayid only trusting Naomi cause she has a new cell phone for him to play with? in the tent he didn’t trust her till she pulled out the radio & then he goes “ooh! a new play toy!” & suddenly he trusts her? what are they doing with sayid!!!???[/quote]

    Sayid trusts no one,hes playing dumb as usual,and hell,he took the phone to mplay with because he wants to get home as bad as anyone else right.

  87. poopypants says:

    [quote comment=”55237″]and… i think sayid sent kate to tell jack. it looks like she did it impulsively, but that is a classic move we’ll find out about in a flashback![/quote]

    Exactly right,mama Sayid didn’t raise no dummies

  88. poopypants says:

    [quote comment=”55229″]Danielle gets what? a 45 second cameo. Locke is non-chalant, points to the explosives, WARNS her that the dynamite is “unstable”. Hmmmm, I can only imagine what her target, but maybe, just maybe, with unstable mitro, she accidently blows herself up… Cooper is gone, maybe Danielle goes (blows) next.[/quote]

    I see Rouseau straping on the ole suicide belt and running into Ben for stealing/keeping her child and telling Alex she was dead.

  89. poopypants says:

    I think its a toss up between who is more unstable the black rocks dynamite or Rousseau herself

  90. lost chicka says:

    – so is richard playing ben or are they both playing locke?

    – jack is an other, naomi is not working for penny, julliette is an other, locke is just out for himself, & ben is awesome. sayid & sawyer r the only ones with brains. charlie, hurley & desmond’s brains are beginning to grow. kate’s brain is shrinking.

    – y would Ben & Richard tell Locke all that stuff about what they know & what they’re doin?! that’s all i really need to know. (besides what danielle is doing with the dynamite)

  91. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”55274″]
    Sayid trusts no one, hes playing dumb as usual, and hell, he took the phone to mplay with because he wants to get home as bad as anyone else right.[/quote]
    . Sayid is certainly more savvy than we give him credit for. What I want to know is how come Naomi had the satellite phone tucked under her blanket when she started to get tent visitors? Seems the four lugs that lugged her back to beach camp would have kept it away from her, particularly after they had to wrestle it away from Mikhail. Maybe Desmond slipped it to her after she hooked him with the “Penny sent me” lie/truth.
    We are not getting any answers on the Penny-Des connection until next season for sure – that would be Jan or Feb of ’08 at the earliest.

  92. Laura G says:

    Panda & Lost Chicka:

    I think Danielle will use the dynamite somehow to get her daughter back. Remember when Danielle came with Sayid & Kate to find Jack at the Other’s camp?

    She was hiding in the bushes & saw Alex talking to one of the losties (was it Sayid? Locke? I forget). She told them Ben told her that her mother died, and was shocked to find out she had been lied to.

    I think that before that Danielle wasn’t really interested in rescuing her daughter — she thought her daughter had just forgotten all about her & didn’t care anymore. But what exactly would she blow up in order to save Alex? I have no clue. And anyways, Alex seems pretty mobile — if she now knows her mom is alive & wanted to find her, couldn’t she get away if she wanted to? She’s done it before (to help Claire, etc.)

  93. Laura G says:

    [quote comment=”55231″]I continue to think there’s hope for Juliet, and I absolutely *don’t* think Jack’s an Other… it just doesn’t jive with the flow of the story to this point.

    I wonder if Ben didn’t let John see where the tape recorder is on purpose, so that the Losties *would* realize that Juliet is a mole. In other words, perhaps Ben is intentionally allowing Juliet’s cover to be blown. Why would he do so? Beats me. But he seems way to smart to just leave the tape recorder sitting around.[/quote]

    Totally agree. Maybe Ben suspects that Juliet is considering turning on him & wants to cover his own butt by confusing the Losties into thinking she’s on his side.

  94. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55280″]I think its a toss up between who is more unstable the black rocks dynamite or Rousseau herself[/quote]

    danielle is this close to her daughter. she ain’t gonna blow herself up. she’s not as crazy as she appears. she’s smart & knows to much about the island to get killed off.

    does anybody else but me think it’s wierd how when Kate goes up to Jack & Julliette & tell them about Naomi J&J look at each other & all Jack cares about is how she stayed in contact with her ship?

    apparently locke’s “blow up everything that could get us off the island tour” (thank u sawyer for the best line in the whole show) is over for now. we didn’t see the black rock gettin blown up – yet.

    julliette is scared of ben which is y she didn’t say “i hat u” into the recorder. she luvs her job on the island (the pregnancy mystery) but hates her boss (ben). jack is currently Julliette & Ben’s puppet.

  95. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55287″][quote comment=”55231″]I continue to think there’s hope for Juliet, and I absolutely *don’t* think Jack’s an Other… it just doesn’t jive with the flow of the story to this point.

    I wonder if Ben didn’t let John see where the tape recorder is on purpose, so that the Losties *would* realize that Juliet is a mole. In other words, perhaps Ben is intentionally allowing Juliet’s cover to be blown. Why would he do so? Beats me. But he seems way to smart to just leave the tape recorder sitting around.[/quote]

    Totally agree. Maybe Ben suspects that Juliet is considering turning on him & wants to cover his own butt by confusing the Losties into thinking she’s on his side.[/quote]
    ______

    Interesting. Very interesting. Ben is the typpe of person to worry more about his own butt then everybody else’s (y he wanted to embarasslocke infront of everybody) & Julliette (& Jack) r the perfect puppet for the job. GOod idea! 😀

  96. Found says:

    Back to the time differential thing… Sayid mentions that he has never seen a phone that technologicaly advanced. They have given us a lot to ponder, And the Purgatory theory, although “debunked” by the producers, certainly has a lot going for it. Even if this may not be the actual “Biblical” Purgotory, it certainly may “function” in a similar fashion. They could also be “lying” to decieve us, because it was too obvious of an answer; but also that they were going to have a new “twist” on what they imagine purgatory actually is… or have created for us. Therefore they wouldn’t actually be lying… just varying shades of grey.

  97. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”55280″]I think its a toss up between who is more unstable the black rocks dynamite or Rousseau herself
    [/quote]
    Good point. Has Danielle ever expressed a desire to leave the island? I think she has only expressed her fixation about her daughter. Now that she knows her daughter is there, does she have an end game? How did she know the Black Rock had dynamite? Used it before? Or was she privvy to the Doc Artz accident? (really, I forget). If she was directed to the Black Rock by an outside influence (Alpert, Ben, Widmore-types, folks we don’t know yet), what does she need the dyno for? Locke blasted the sub (allegedly). Seems there are a lot of explosives about. Maybe the Black Rock dyno was “placed” there as a tool to be used by whoever found it – to destabilize the ‘Ben Dynasty’ that has been interrupting the real mission that’s supposed to be going on across the island.

  98. lost chicka says:

    was sayid sayin “i’ve never seen one so advanced” his way of hinting that she ain’t workin for des’s gf?

  99. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”55293″]Back to the time differential thing… Sayid mentions that he has never seen a phone that technologicaly advanced.
    [/quote]
    Sayid was in the Republican Guard. When? Early 90’s? mid or late 90’s? Early 00’s?. My impression is that he hasn’t had access to the latest techo gear for at least 5 years before the 815 crash. He’s been traveling around for awhile – France, Australia, wherever… Current Lostie time is approaching Christmas 2004. Cutting-edge tech gear changes almost every year. Sayid has been out of touch with cutting edge tech for at least a few years. So of course he hasn’t seen anything like the SatPhone Naomi had. Naomi was on a well financed, (allegedly) high priority rescue mission to the middle of nowhere – she would have the latest gizmos.

  100. desmondo says:

    [quote comment=”55293″]Back to the time differential thing… Sayid mentions that he has never seen a phone that technologicaly advanced. They have given us a lot to ponder, And the Purgatory theory, although “debunked” by the producers, certainly has a lot going for it. Even if this may not be the actual “Biblical” Purgotory, it certainly may “function” in a similar fashion. They could also be “lying” to decieve us, because it was too obvious of an answer; but also that they were going to have a new “twist” on what they imagine purgatory actually is… or have created for us. Therefore they wouldn’t actually be lying… just varying shades of grey.[/quote]

    wrong dude. it’s a wormhole singularity time continuity differential multiverse. don’t you know anything about string theory? duh! all of those words have very specific uncontested meaning and refer to events that have been reproduced and studied through empirical analysis.

    wormhole dude. wormhole.

  101. Found says:

    [quote comment=”55302″][quote comment=”55293″]Back to the time differential thing… Sayid mentions that he has never seen a phone that technologicaly advanced. They have given us a lot to ponder, And the Purgatory theory, although “debunked” by the producers, certainly has a lot going for it. Even if this may not be the actual “Biblical” Purgotory, it certainly may “function” in a similar fashion. They could also be “lying” to decieve us, because it was too obvious of an answer; but also that they were going to have a new “twist” on what they imagine purgatory actually is… or have created for us. Therefore they wouldn’t actually be lying… just varying shades of grey.[/quote]

    wrong dude. it’s a wormhole singularity time continuity differential multiverse. don’t you know anything about string theory? duh! all of those words have very specific uncontested meaning and refer to events that have been reproduced and studied through empirical analysis.

    wormhole dude. wormhole.[/quote]

    Wow, I truly stand corrected… you rock! lol

  102. Found says:

    Desmondo,

    Is your wormhole theory similar to any of the storylines from Stargate… (except for the “big glowing ring” thingie) lol…
    I’m a huge fan.

  103. SnappyPappy says:

    -The Brig
    Yes the Brig is the lock-up on the Black Rock.
    Locke infiltrated the Others and travelled with them for a week as they bugged-out across the island to a NEW, yet OLD place. (seen in flashback)
    Locke’s “father” Cooper, was captured, bit Locke, Locke healed quickly.
    Ben asked Locke to kill Cooper in front of the Others to prove that locke was special.
    Locke could not and was chastize by Ben publicly.
    Richard Alpert slipped Locke a file on Sawyer and Locke learned the Sawyer-Cooper connection.
    Locke lured/tricked Sawyer from the beach to kill Cooper in the Brig.
    Cooper revealed that 815 was found in a 4 mile deep ocean trench off of Bali, 3000 miles NorthWest of Sydney, not 3000 miles NorthEast of Sydney, in the Pacific. All bodies were on board as proved by the deep submersibles.
    Sawyer wouldn’t kill Cooper until he learned who he was and after Cooper destroyed the letter Sawyer wrote as a child. Brutal! strangulation ensued.
    Danielle cameo’d in the Black Rock, looking for unstable dynamite.
    On the beach Naomi repaired quickly and told Des that Penny sent her, that there is a ship 80 miles offshore, and that she had to bailout because all of her instruments went crazy, just as she sighted the invisible island through the clouds.
    All Losties are leaning toward not trusting Jack/Juliet. Jack implies there is some hidden plan to Kate, but tells Juliet. DO NOT tell her.
    Hugo has funny lines as usual.
    Sayid is working something – but what?
    The Others have abandoned Locke. Ben says he will leave a trail for Locke to follow, but he should only follow if he is carrying his dead father on his back. Locke sends Sawyer back to the beach. Tells Sawyer he is not an infilitrator of the Others any more – he is on a mission of his own (island mysteries?)
    Locke hauls butt after the Others – dad on back.

  104. Chris says:

    My theory: The island is Hell/Purgatory. Ben is the Devil and “the Others” are Ben’s subordinate demons. Ben tried to test Lock’s fitness as a demon by encouraging (temptation) Locke to kill his own father. Locke can’t do it because he isn’t capable of such evil and gets Sawyer to do it instead. All the people who led lives of evil doing (Sayid, Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin) are those who were not sought after by the others. Those who were sought after are people who basically led lives of good works (Jack, Locke, Claire) because the devils want them destroyed. All the Losties are already dead. There is no escape, Jack knows this, and that is why he feigned interest in the satellite phone Kate told him about (“How are you going to call the ship from here?”). Rejection of “the others” is rejecting evil. If anyone were to “escape” from the island, they would ascend into heaven. Lock will end up becoming the saviour once he finds a way to destroy Ben and lead the other “good” Losties off the island and into heaven. This will happen in the final episode.

  105. Will says:

    The episode was very good, but much like Other 218 referenced earlier yesterday, was basically a big teaser for the remainder of the season (and May sweeps).

    A couple of things I found especially important:

    *At this point I believe Richard was acting of his own volition in feeding Locke the information about Sawyer and there is truly a rift in the Others camp; I think the separation will be important and that we will see two factions clearly form between the Others

    *Likewise with the Losties, I think there could be a clear delineation between two groups, one lead by Jack, and the other lead by Sawyer/Sayid. The real question about Jack/Juliet is whether or not Jack is aware that Juliet is a mole at this point, and that we will clearly see once he hears the recording Locke gave Sawyer.

    It is obvious from this episode that Jack and Juliet are aware of something much bigger than the rest of the Losties know about.

    *Naomi is obviously a plant of some sort. Again, Desmond has been on the Island for 3 years, the Others have files on everyone so why wouldn’t we think they know everything about Desmond as well? If they know his history, then they know Penny is looking for him and they are playing off that right now.

  106. Ali says:

    On religion theories –
    Not purgatory, not hell, not a jesus cult. The references are more inclusive. The “biblical” references are (I think) all from what christians call the old testament. That means (I think) that those names come from the root stories common to judaism, christianity, and islam. There are also a slew of references to hinduism/buddhism – dharma, Richard Alpert, and I think is saw a big “namaste” sign flash in the preview at the end of “the Brig.” Locke is not swinging back and forth between his group allegiances, he is consistently motivated by his own walkabout – an important part of tribal religions separate from the east/west judeo-christian-muslim/hindu-buddhist thing.

    So, not a jesus cult, not purgatory but maybe some more inclusive bardo-like place in the transition between death and whatever is next (could be rebirth). Or maybe another alternate time-space place (could be accessible through a wormhole and so could be conducting clone experiments). There is definitely some need for all of these Losties to work out their good-evil sides (evil twins, jungian shadow selves). And maybe the Others have moved beyond the emotional battles of their good-evil sides so are now weirdly, coldly, creepily logical and calm. There is a war coming. Is it ever good to do evil?

    If in fact everyone is lying including the producers, then I will be pissed.

  107. Hammer says:

    Okay, I didn’t see this mentioned anywere. Ford asks Locke if Sawyer/Cooper really pushed him out of the window and was paralyzed. Locke stares off and replies “Not anymore”. Huge line here…”Not anymore”…I am big on people answering the question at hand. The question was did he push you AND were you paralyzed. I choose to believe that we was answering “Not anymore” to both. Eluding to the fact that now that Sawyer/Cooper is dead, things in the real world(or real time) have changed. Now, Locke was “never” paralyzed or victimized by this father.

    Ponderous man…ponderous.

  108. Fluca says:

    [quote comment=”55336″]Okay, I didn’t see this mentioned anywere. Ford asks Locke if Sawyer/Cooper really pushed him out of the window and was paralyzed. Locke stares off and replies “Not anymore”. Huge line here…”Not anymore”…I am big on people answering the question at hand. The question was did he push you AND were you paralyzed. I choose to believe that we was answering “Not anymore” to both. Eluding to the fact that now that Sawyer/Cooper is dead, things in the real world(or real time) have changed. Now, Locke was “never” paralyzed or victimized by this father.

    Ponderous man…ponderous.[/quote]

    Very interesting, it keeps up with Des’ time traveling theories.
    Cheers

  109. Ally says:

    are they in purgatory?!?!?!

  110. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55338″]are they in purgatory?!?!?![/quote]
    Yes.

  111. adriennez says:

    Great episode!! I think that by Locke saying “Not anymore” to Sawyer’s(James)question about did his Dad push him out a window and was he “a cripple”…I think that Locke meant that now that his father was dead, he was not going to be crippled or hurt by him anymore. The fact that Locke did not mind manipulating Sawyer(James) into doing his dirty work…I just thought it was very cowardly and cruel. Sawyer(James)obviously turned out the way he did because of what happened to his parents…yes he sought revenge for most of his life but other than that he was just a con man, not a killer. Both times he killed someone he was manipulated and used…I thought it was pretty sad.

    Locke and Danielle seemed pretty familiar with each other and what is she doing with that dynamite?!

  112. abhi says:

    in the episode 20 promo a dharma centre sign is shown which has the word ‘NAMASTE’ written over it .it is a word hindus use it for greeting and dharma is also first used by hindus, so instead of looking into outer space and other theories we should try to link the lost storyline with hindu mythology

  113. adriennez says:

    Also, Sawyer mentioned when talking to Cooper, that his mother’s name was Mary…I don’t remember that being mentioned before. I thought of the Biblical reference right away…Mary mother of Jesus because it is said that Jesus’ had a brother that was James…Sawyer’s real name. I do not know what they are doing with all of the Biblical references in the show but it will really suck if it is just to mess with us and of no significance to the story!!

  114. Hammer says:

    I think you missed my point. The answer should have been yes or no. Ford already knows he’s not paralyzed “anymore”. “Not anymore” if taken literally, would mean that circumstances have changed. The answer is no longer “yes”.

  115. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55340″][quote comment=”55338″]are they in purgatory?!?!?![/quote]
    Yes.[/quote]
    __________
    Dude don’t say that!

    Thoughts:
    -I trust Sayid. He is the only Lostie thus far consistently correct about what has been happening on the island. I also trust Danielle, she’s too crazy to be really crazy and she trusts Sayid and for some reason that’s good enough for me.
    -I think we’re getting set up for a show down between others led by Ben and others led by Locke, with Alpert falling in line behind Locke. Alpert implies to Locke when handing him that file that Ben has been corrupted from the original mission of the group on the island. He has gotten hung up on fertility experiments, which it seems are just the tip of the iceberg of quasiscientific research going on in the group. I expect that Locke is much more powerful than Ben and Ben doesn’t like the implications of that.
    -For me a real question is this, what are the implications of Sawyer’s killing of Cooper? Does he go back to beach and spill to everyone like Locke tells him to? A perfect setup for the unlikely hero scenario. No one trusts Jack, no one knows where Locke is, Sayid and Desmond are hiding information from everyone and Sawyer comes out of the jungle, dirty, upset and with bloody feet and a whole shitload of interesting information.
    -No one is being honest and that is the reason that things seem to be falling apart. It plays into the whole “live together, die alone” thing. Living together, bulding a community is more than just having tents lined up adjacent to each other and sharing food. These people are completely disconnected from one another and that’s significant.
    -What’s the point of blowing up the Black Rock? It has a huge hole in the side of it and is stuck in the middle of the island. that puppy isn’t sailing anywhere away from that island any time soon.
    – What role will Rousseau play in the future of the islanders? She knows something important. The Others haven’t allowed her to live on the island for 16 + years for nothing. She will play a pivitol role in the future of both the Losties and Others and the Other Others, if we ever find out who they are.

  116. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55162″]I know you’re not supposed to have spoilers in you’re comments so i’m warning you now. This thread right now is basically a spoiler & the show starts in 20 minutes so whatever. I just can’t help myself! I read the insiderscoop on this other website & i just can’t help myself. I have to post my comments here! I’ve warned u so it’s you’re fault if u continue reading!!!!!!!!
    3 HUGE things u might wanna know:
    1) sawyer kills cooper. u haven’t been waitin 3 years for nothin.
    2) sayid questions naomi & believes her (i won’t untill she has her own flashbacks & i’m convinced otherwise. untill then, everything she says i will be treating like bull)
    3) jack IS working with the others. at least working with julliette.
    I’m sorry again. u can delete this.[/quote]
    Pot…you have Kettle holding on line one.

  117. Hammer says:

    Tina – Just having fun, couldn’t ignore it anymore.:)

  118. whatif says:

    When Richard talked to Locke in private, he mentioned his dissatisfaction with Ben’s fixation on pregnancy issues – as that distracts from other ‘larger issues’ they need to address. I am curious to know what exactly he means… And why it was so important for Ben to have John kill his dad. There were comments posted previously that addressed this question, but I am not all that convinced.. I think the show’s character development has been excellent so far with John, Sawyer and Danielle acting exactly the way they should… oh, and so does Kate that little Jack-loving nutcase!

  119. whatif says:

    Oopps looks like Tina made similar comments just a few posts prior. My computer must not have refreshed properly for they didn’t appear until after I posted mine. Apologies.

  120. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55348″]Tina – Just having fun, couldn’t ignore it anymore.:)[/quote]

    Elephant in the room much? I figured you were jesting, just broke my heart to see you give into the hype like that… 🙂

  121. katesFriend says:

    here are my thoughts:

    – i am pretty sure Roussou led the losties to the black rock the first time

    – i really liked how richard told locke that some of the others were more interested in the more important things about the island and ben has them stuck on the fertility thing which is not the main issue of hte island

    – again, i will say i really hope the whole show doensn’t turn out to be about religion, it would be a big disappointment

  122. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55351″]Oopps looks like Tina made similar comments just a few posts prior. My computer must not have refreshed properly for they didn’t appear until after I posted mine. Apologies.[/quote]
    Don’t think it’s your computer, keeps happening to me too.

  123. [quote comment=”55343″]in the episode 20 promo a dharma…
    …[/quote]

    Please, no discussion of episode previews.

    Now, in “The Man From Tallahassee” Ben tells Richard: “Bring me the man from tallahassee.” Then, just a few hours later in ‘lost-time’, Locke is shown his father gagged and tied. In ‘The Brig” we hear Cooper’s story about how he got to the island (the car crash, the ambulance, etc…).

    I think the story that Cooper tells occured within the few hours between when Ben requests TMFT to the time when Ben shows TMFT to Locke. Richard “travels” back to the real world/”real time,” sets up the accident, executes the plan, and brings Cooper back to the island.

    In other words:
    Ben requested TMFT @ ~5pm “lost time”
    Richard travels back to the real world/”real time”
    Richard arranges the accident and executes the plan
    Richard brings Cooper back to the island
    Ben shows Cooper to Locke @ ~9pm “lost time”

    So in 4 hours of “lost time,” perhaps a few days of real world/”real time” passed, in which Richard had enough time to do what he needed to do to bring Cooper back.

    Remember that, in that same episode, the question was raised about the clock in Ben’s house and how it bounced around in time.

    Also remember that in the episode “Not In Portland,” Richard somehow managed to setup a bus to hit Juliette’s husband at a precise moment, just a few hours of “real time” after Juliette mentioned “…hit by a bus” to Richard in their first recruitment meeting. In this episode we were also first introduced to Mittelos and the anagram for “lost time.”

    I’m convinced Richard has the ability to control time / time travel / etc… and I think he and Desmond will eventually meet. I think Richard might be the only “other” who can actually move through time, while Ben is the “clock-master”: stopping and moving time to permit Richard to jump to precise moments and setup specific plans and events.

  124. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”55183″]

    – Kate is the stupidest love sick b**** in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!! Y the hell would she do something that stupid??!?!?!?!? Cause she’s a love sick puppy! I HATE her now. forget it. she should be preggers, probably is, & should definitely die! i can’t believe how dang stupid she is!

    I was thinking the same thing last night. I don’t like her anymore. I am done with her. How could my favorite girl do that?? Okay Claire is my girl now!

  125. Hammer says:

    Solid observation FM. Now how do I tie in Locke’s comment?

  126. [quote comment=”55359″]Solid observation FM. Now how do I tie in Locke’s comment?[/quote]

    Thanks, and I don’t know!

    I think what you’re proposing is that the past can be altered by events that occur on the island in “lost time.” That changing something on the island can actually cause history to be rewritten. But, if that were the case, then how would Locke even be alive if he had just killed his father? Wouldn’t Locke then cease to exist?
    (Unless of course his mom wasn’t insane and Locke really WAS an “immaculate conception” with no real father.)

    I’m more of the mentality that the island is running in a parallel time frame, in which the people with the know how can move back and forth between “real time” and “lost time.”

    This could also explain how The Others (or whoever) had enough time to setup the alternate 815 at the bottom of the ocean. If they can easily manipulate time, then they could surely have given themselves enough time to collect wreckage, stick it on the ocean floor, and fill it with bodies.

  127. Barb says:

    My opinions
    1) Juliet and Jack are hiding from Kate what the Island is, how it is obscured from the rest of the world and they cannot be seen, that’s why Jack was asking questions about the phone/ship and wasn’t concerned about Naomi
    2) Ben was testing Locke to NOT kill his father. Killing is not a rite of passage. Locke proved himself not to be a man of violence – he passed
    3) Will Locke fess up to the others that He didn’t kill his father and that Sawyer did – this probably contradicts my #2
    4) Sawyer will be taken by Smokey next – it seems in the past that when characters come to reconciliation with their past (thinking mostly of Ecko and perhaps Boone) Smokey appears and takes them. And Sawyer finished his life-long pursuit by killing Cooper.
    5)I am sticking with purgatory but that’s not an evil place – it’s a place to work out issues not resolved in your live-life.

  128. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    Crazy great episode. That was the fastest hour of television I’ve ever watched. Then I went to sleep and had a dream I was cloned and went back in time to meet Roger Workman. What the hell??? Oh, and move over Kate, the new hot babe on the island is Naomi!!

  129. Tina says:

    FMGreen Steve:

    Very astute observation. I think you’re VERY right about Ben being the “clock master”. I’ve been thinking for awhile of him as “the man behind the curtain” like in the Wizard of Oz, except without the “pay no attention to” part. He is orchestrating most, if not all of the events on the island somehow and I think he’s doing it via this Jacob character. I don’t think Jacob is an actual person but an image that Ben has created or perhaps maintained to control the people who are following whatever brand of religiocentrism they’ve latched onto to…

    I think we start callin Desmon and Alpert time benders, not travellers.

  130. Hammer says:

    FM, “I think what you’re proposing is that the past can be altered by events that occur on the island in “lost time.” That changing something on the island can actually cause history to be rewritten. But, if that were the case, then how would Locke even be alive if he had just killed his father? Wouldn’t Locke then cease to exist?”

    Yeah, that what I’m proposing. It seems that Dez was able to change some history in his episode. And we still haven’t seen if there are implications to his repeatedly saving Charlie. I see your point about Locke not existing if his Dad is dead, but if time is a factor…I need to ponder this more.

  131. Hammer says:

    FM – also wanted to point out that I don’t think Alpert is the only one who can travel, Ethan also traveled. My guess is that Ben/Jacob annoint the travelers. Maybe someone else will/has been appointed to travel with Alpert.

  132. [quote comment=”55367″]…Yeah, that what I’m proposing. It seems that Dez was able to change some history in his episode. And we still haven’t seen if there are implications to his repeatedly saving Charlie. I see your point about Locke not existing if his Dad is dead, but if time is a factor…I need to ponder this more.[/quote]

    I think I agree with what adriennez said here, in comment 111, that being that Locke was speaking metaphorically/philosophically when he said “Not Anymore”:

    [quote comment=”55342″]Great episode!! I think that by Locke saying “Not anymore” to Sawyer’s(James)question about did his Dad push him out a window and was he “a cripple”…I think that Locke meant that now that his father was dead, he was not going to be crippled or hurt by him anymore…[/quote]

  133. Tasha says:

    FMGreen Steve- I agree with your first comment on TMFT. There is no way- (if they really are in the Pacific,) that all that could have happened in Florida and he was brought to the island in only a couple of hours.

    I am not commenting much because I am totally confused.

    Who is John Locke? Maybe the statement “immaculate conception” is finally happening. I mean, if he IS who everyone is waiting for, does that make him Jacob? Definitely not a “Jesus” because they want him to kill someone.

    This episode was almost predictable. I knew what was going on from the start and not from spoilers.

    What was the area the Black Rock is in? Well anyway…the “dark” area or something…isn’t it guarded by Smokey? When they have been there before, Smokey was there. Now he didn’t bother them? Does that have something to do with Locke?

    This may have been mentioned but I might have missed it. I know we all know French lady took some dynamite. She took a WHOLE CRATE. I mean, we already know what a couple will do, but why would she need all that dynamite unless she is planning on blowing up something huge.

  134. [quote comment=”55368″]FM – also wanted to point out that I don’t think Alpert is the only one who can travel, Ethan also traveled. My guess is that Ben/Jacob annoint the travelers. Maybe someone else will/has been appointed to travel with Alpert.[/quote]

    Good point about Ethan, but now that he is dead (whatever that means) I don’t think it’s important.
    Have we seen any other Others off the island in the real world? I can’t recall any, and Juliet doesn’t count.

  135. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55367″]FM, “I think what you’re proposing is that the past can be altered by events that occur on the island in “lost time.” That changing something on the island can actually cause history to be rewritten. But, if that were the case, then how would Locke even be alive if he had just killed his father? Wouldn’t Locke then cease to exist?”

    Yeah, that what I’m proposing. It seems that Dez was able to change some history in his episode. And we still haven’t seen if there are implications to his repeatedly saving Charlie. I see your point about Locke not existing if his Dad is dead, but if time is a factor…I need to ponder this more.[/quote]

    Cooper may not be the biological father of Locke, unlikely but possible and would explain him continuing to exist espite getting rid of his father. What if the rewrite only applies to specific events in the timeline and not everything?

  136. Hammer says:

    Did anyone pick up any clues on the structure that Cooper was tied to? Why was it there, what was it?

  137. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    [quote comment=”55375″]Did anyone pick up any clues on the structure that Cooper was tied to? Why was it there, what was it?[/quote]

    I also wondered what that ancient looking thing was. A sacrifice pole? Whatever it was it looked old. Maybe the top of it could hold fire? And steps leading up to it. An altar?

  138. [quote comment=”55377″][quote comment=”55375″]Did anyone pick up any clues on the structure that Cooper was tied to? Why was it there, what was it?[/quote]

    I also wondered what that ancient looking thing was. A sacrifice pole? Whatever it was it looked old. Maybe the top of it could hold fire? And steps leading up to it. An altar?[/quote]

    Perhaps it’s related to the our old friend, the 4-toed statue piece…

  139. anita says:

    Great episode! I love the depth and writing of the characters
    We see how some people, as stated before, stay smarter or are learning to be more cautious.
    When the guys had Naomi, I think Sayid is still very cautious of her, even though she may be a hope to Des, and the other guys involved.

    Naomi, I dunno what to say, I feel she is not there really to “save” them but she might be part of the plan on how the Others arrive and take the women. The Others might fake a rescue dressed differently and take them back, and the Losties wouldn’t suspect that much!!! Its a crazy idea I just had.

    The whole Locke, Sawyer, con-man thing was great. Again the writers are letting us see that Sawyer is more than a harsh guy. He really was emotional and hurt by the con-man. Underneath all his harsh exterior, he is a hurt lil boy wanting some love and connections… (Now I am fallin for him J/k)

    When Juliette & Jack said the weird lines about not telling Kate, it was after she talked about Naomi, and I don’t think they mean to tell Kate about her being an expectant mom, it was about the Naomi-Other connection. (Notice how Juliette doesn’t show an ounce of surprise or interest in the fact that a new woman fell from the sky.)Or the fact that it is not possible what Naomi is telling them.

    However, if Jack & Juliette are working together they may be fooled by Ben that its to protect the Losties women. When Ben shows his true colors, as how he gave (I’m suspecting he gave the tape recorder to Locke)the tape recorder to prove that Juliette is a mole for Locke’s mission, Juliette will be surprised and realized that once again Ben will always destroy what she wants to do and he has control over her.

    I might have gone a little overboard with this comment. I admit I watched 90% intensely, and well got a little busy during the show, so I might have missed something.

  140. KillerR says:

    Hey, everybody, I’m going to HELL. Whos coming with me?

  141. whatif says:

    did anyone else find ben’s speech to locke interesting? the one about how he had to have free will to be ready for what ben wanted to reveal about the island? how does forcing john to kill his dad qualify as free will? i would say that perhaps ben really wanted to test john – who’s past suggests that he is a trusting man with a bit of a pushover attitude… but ben doesn’t seem to appreciate free will all that much based on his treatment of the others… hmm

  142. whatif says:

    ^^ whose, not who’s sorry

  143. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”55375″]Did anyone pick up any clues on the structure that Cooper was tied to? Why was it there, what was it?[/quote]

    When I first watched it, this may sound dumb, but when Locke was sitting up on the hill and looked down, it reminded me of a scene from the new Zelda. I was playing it yesterday, so maybe that has something to do with it. It’s the Twilight Princess. Anyway, they are usually used in temples or around temples, although I didn’t see no temple on Lost.

  144. whatif says:

    determinism vs. free will… is the island an experiment to defy determinism that has gone bad under ben’s leadership? Was ben once a figther for free will who turned bad once he came into power? Does time-travelling act as a mechanism to introduce objects from one’s past to see if island indeed promotes free will (as in throwing cooper into the island to find out how he alters the balance for john and sawyer?)
    Or is the island a manifestation of determinism that the Others are trying to break by saving women who are pregnant?

    I am sorry if I am not making any sense but free will has always been a big theme in Lost and the Island might just have something to do with it…

  145. Benjamin Compson says:

    Several Questions arise while I think about the exciting climactic season final. Why was the D Initiative such a major focus on the season previous and there has been little mention of it since. If Desmond can see glimpses of the future than their would be no good reason for him to spill the beans about the program and how he got to the island. He seems very intelligent but has no information to give about the D.I and nobody has seemed to ask.
    If you compare Orwell or Huxley’s theories on dystopia Lost definitely falls under the category of a possible utopian system gone askew. Or the idea of it being possible. Science is usually the driven factor behind creating these perfect societies. Could the D.I be intertwined with Utopian Ideology. If so it would clearly sum up Bens position as leader on the island. His ability to lead is by manipulation and lies and threats as Napolean in Animal Farm, the group live in a false environment which is ever changing by Bens ability to lead.
    Just a thought

  146. Tasha says:

    So if you google “Doric Ruins” and look at “images” some of them look similar to what he was tied too. I guess that is going along with the whole “Colossus of Rhodes” statue theory.

  147. Tina says:

    Shot in the Dark:

    What if Naomi is Dharma and everything we’ve been told so far is a half truth. Ben is ex-Dharma and so in Mikhail and Tom and Maybe even Alpert. What if the purge was them rebelling against the rest of the Hatch operators and what if Dharma central (off island) is so determined to keep the island a secret that they just keep sending the food drops because the numbers were getting put into the computer and the Flame Station was operational. Now that it isn’t operational anymore there’s a problem and that’s why the sent Naomi. Its all a ruse being kept up by Ben and his crew to keep Dharma central from coming to the island and disrupting whatever the Others are doing on the island.

    Or, alien ape clones.

  148. Hammer says:

    Okay, breaking the rule of never believe an other. I get the feeling that others that are close to the top have had enough of Ben’s crap. Juliet tried to kill him, Alpert went behind his back to get Locke to kill pops. It appears that the followers were hoping Locke was sent to them, Ben knows that they will follow him but also knows he is easily manipulated. He shows the followers that Locke is weak. Meantime, Alpert knows about Ben’s manipulations so he is one step ahead of Ben. I think Ben’s life will come to an end soon. Who else would help in the coup? You guess it…Danielle.

    I am conviced that she is working with the others, but now I feel that it is not Ben she’s working with, but the people that want Ben out. She has retrieved dynamite for the big take over battle. She has motivation, she doesn’t surprise Locke at the Rock, the battle to replace Ben is coming and Alpert is helping to orchestrate it. Jack and Juliet’s secret?

  149. Hammer, I like that a lot. Add in the Danielle/Alex connection and she has even more motive to help with a coup.

    Do you propose then that Locke might become their new “leader?”

  150. Hammer says:

    FM – Yes, the followers seem cult like. The have seen that Ben had to be healed by an outsider (Not even on Jacob’s list) and Locke has been miraculouly healed. Locke would be logicial even to Alpert because he seems to have a quest to learn about the island and doesn’t want to go home. Perfect replacment.

  151. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”55370″]FMGreen Steve- I agree with your first comment on TMFT. There is no way- (if they really are in the Pacific,) that all that could have happened in Florida and he was brought to the island in only a couple of hours.

    I am not commenting much because I am totally confused.

    Who is John Locke? Maybe the statement “immaculate conception” is finally happening. I mean, if he IS who everyone is waiting for, does that make him Jacob? Definitely not a “Jesus” because they want him to kill someone.

    This episode was almost predictable. I knew what was going on from the start and not from spoilers.

    What was the area the Black Rock is in? Well anyway…the “dark” area or something…isn’t it guarded by Smokey? When they have been there before, Smokey was there. Now he didn’t bother them? Does that have something to do with Locke?

    This may have been mentioned but I might have missed it. I know we all know French lady took some dynamite. She took a WHOLE CRATE. I mean, we already know what a couple will do, but why would she need all that dynamite unless she is planning on blowing up something huge.[/quote]

    Tasha, I agree with you. Locke is Jacob, but doesn’t know it. I see a flashback of his time with the Drug folks coming soon to explain this.

  152. DBM says:

    I don’t believe this in my heart of hearts, but what if Juliette has already turned on the others, and she and Jack are developing a plan to counteract the raid? It may seem far-fetched, and it definitely raises questions about their current weird behaviour, but after Locke warned Sawyer about the upcoming raid and indicated that Juliette is a mole, I couldn’t help thinking that Locke doesn’t have the best track record in terms of making decisions or causing others to make decisions based on his intution (remember the hatch?).

  153. SpinPapi says:

    Among the best exchanges ever on the show:

    * Locke: Rousseau.
    * Rousseau: Locke.
    * Locke: What brings you to the Black Rock?
    * Rousseau: Dynamite. And you?

    Classic! Almost as good as Patchy McRussianGuy’s: Why are we continuing to play this little game when we all know it has moved on to the next stage?

  154. April says:

    This is my 1st time here and i LOVE all of the comments. these are my freshman observations:

    this storyline is creepily similar to the stephen king series of roland the gunslinger – let me know what you think about this? the lost children, the weird animal creations, the doors to another ‘when.’ remember also the scene with the book club where juliette was holding a copy of stephen king?

    we know there are supernatural forces at work here – or do we? I believe each passenger has been imprinted or brain washed with their histories, bc i can’t believe the odds of everyone on one flight that has such connections with each other – hence i don’t believe it is purgatory either. i believe it is either a door into another ‘when’ or it is an experiment with an island that appears to have some supernatural dimensions or maybe not…

    i don’t believe Locke is with the others, last night they mentioned a ‘walkabout’ and I thought walkabouts were a religious journey taken by aboriginees (sp?) of australia? important, tho…

    i don’t think jack is with the others either, only with juliette – maybe she came clean with him about her part with the others and he feels a certain kinship with her? we know her backstory and she is NOT happy with ben. speaking of ben i believe he wanted to sell her out by letting locke “hear” the tape and see it. he knew locke would take it OR he was testing locke’s loyalty?

  155. MKS says:

    Naomi said that the co-ordinates she was given were in the middle of the ocean, there was nothing there, she flew around, clouds parted, she saw the island, her instruments went crazy, she crashed. How did she see a dark island if it was night outside?

  156. April says:

    sorry one more observation
    I think locke gave the tape to sawyer as a token of his gratitude and nothing more. i strongly believe that locke is on a personal journey and that he ‘believes’ he is something special because of his recovery from paralysis. it may be that ben wishes him to think this, but why?

  157. April says:

    could it be that rousseau ‘came’ for dynamite to check up on locke? to see what he was doing?

  158. Becky says:

    1. Did anyone notice the whirring sound when Sawyer and Locke stop in the water on the way to Black Rock? At first I thought it was an insect but it sounded like electronic whirring….Smokey? Cameras?

    2. I find it interesting that both Naomi and Cooper both responded that they did not think the island was an actual island. They both looked surprised and said “island?” when Sayid and Sawyer referred to it as such. Cooper thinks it’s Hell and Naomi thinks it’s in the middle of the ocean….a Bermuda Triangle thing going on with the instruments breaking down.

    3. When John gets bitten, the bite and blood dribble look like a sickle….could that mean anything?

    4. I wonder why the Others wanted John’s father dead so badly. Did they “haze” the other Others and they had to kill someone?

    5. It cannot be Purgatory because children do not go there. And the Catholic Church just threw out the idea of “limbo” for unbaptized children.

    6. I am angry that Kate ran to Jack to tell him about Naomi. Jack is annoying and is on a power trip.

    7. I wonder what Juliette and Jack will tell Kate?

    8. Where in God’s name are Rose and Bernard?

    9. I think Cindi the flight attendant was an Other all along….planted on the plane.

    10. Everyone is reverting to type…it was like Season 1! Kate running away (from Sawyer to sleep in her own tent), Jack being the egotistical leader, Sawyer being a murderer, John being all ambiguous, Charlie being lightheartedly out of it, Desmond being determined, Rousseau being shady, Hurley being…Hurley. Where was Sun? Where is Claire?

    11. I wish they would connect more of the Tailies to the story…I miss all of them!

    12. What was John’s father tied to? A tower? A large pipe?

    13. Was that John’s knife Ben gave him to kill his father…from his knife box?

    So many questions…the best show ever!!!!!!

  159. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55403″]Naomi said that the co-ordinates she was given were in the middle of the ocean, there was nothing there, she flew around, clouds parted, she saw the island, her instruments went crazy, she crashed. How did she see a dark island if it was night outside?[/quote]
    Night vision goggles? LOL

  160. SnappyPappy says:

    [quote comment=”55336″]Locke stares off and replies “Not anymore”. Huge line here…”Not anymore”…
    [/quote]
    Another big line too – Ben throws Lockes’ trademark line back in Lockes’ face – “Nobody tells me what I can’t do”.

  161. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55407″]1.

    Did anyone notice the whirring sound when Sawyer and Locke stop in the water on the way to Black Rock? At first I thought it was an insect but it sounded like electronic whirring….Smokey? Cameras?[/quote]

    Forgot about that! Yes I heard it and thought it was bird sounds, but I remembering asking myself why it was so loud and pronounced.

  162. SnappyPappy says:

    2 Q’s:
    – Did anyone catch the name of the cargo ship 80 miles offshore? The name sounded mythological – that’s always a LOST clue.
    – What books did we see in Bens’ tent as Locke reported to him? He passed in front of several serious novels on a two/three shelf bookcase.

  163. MD says:

    I don’t think jack is an other. I think that the others have somehow blocked communication to the island, therefore he knows that even with a satelite phone there is no way they can communicate with someone outside of the island. The whole “should we tell her” thing with Kate is about them not being able to communicate and the island not being able to be found by normal means.

  164. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”55188″]We now know for sure that when we were told that “no one can get on and off the island since the plan crash” is not true becasue Richard somehow made it back on to the island after the crash. Remember he was on the “main land” videotaping Rachel when the plan crashed. And he for sure wasn’t using the submarine since it was still there.[/quote]

    No one could get off the island after the sky turned purple according to Ben. That is well after the plane crash.

  165. Other 218 says:

    Wanna bet that the big monolith/pillar that A. Cooper was tied to has similar origin to the four toed statue. That whole Other encampment had a primitive amphitheater quality to it – human sacrifice, etc….

  166. patience says:

    Correct me if im wrong but the others shouldnt know about Desmond right? I mean he shipwreaked on the island three years ago via little sailboat and was almost immediately brought to the swan by Kelvin. TPTB has said that the others didnt even know about the swan until Locke found it. I believe Naomi is genuine when she says she was hired by penelope to find Desmond thus not making her an other because they shouldnt even know about Desmond so how would she have the picture. any thoughts?

  167. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”55208″]I think when Locke said, “I am on my own journey now,” he meant it. I don’t think he is with anyone, I think he is only thinking about himself right now and he is going to do whatever it takes to help himself.[/quote]

    I agree. I think the whole scene with Roussou was to indicate that he is a lot like her now. He is in it by himself and only for himself. He will give the Losties a heads-up when needed, but he will also work with the Others. All he will do from now on is in order to further his own interests. In some sense, he has become the male version of Roussou.

  168. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55416″][quote comment=”55188″]We now know for sure that when we were told that “no one can get on and off the island since the plan crash” is not true becasue Richard somehow made it back on to the island after the crash. Remember he was on the “main land” videotaping Rachel when the plan crashed. And he for sure wasn’t using the submarine since it was still there.[/quote]

    No one could get off the island after the sky turned purple according to Ben. That is well after the plane crash.[/quote]You are right MKS, but we can theorize that Alpert left to get Cooper after what Cooper said in “The Brig”.

  169. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55419″][quote comment=”55208″]I think when Locke said, “I am on my own journey now,” he meant it. I don’t think he is with anyone, I think he is only thinking about himself right now and he is going to do whatever it takes to help himself.[/quote]

    I agree. I think the whole scene with Roussou was to indicate that he is a lot like her now. He is in it by himself and only for himself. He will give the Losties a heads-up when needed, but he will also work with the Others. All he will do from now on is in order to further his own interests. In some sense, he has become the male version of Roussou.[/quote]
    Yeah, but what if his own interests are running the island?

  170. lost chicka says:

    -ben made a point to say that they’d leave a path for locke to track. So ben did know that locke would kill cooper, either himself or using somebody else to do his dirty work in true other fashion. So I’m back to my other question: is Richard helping Locke or is ben telling Richard to help locke?

    – like somebody already said, locke’s daddy dearest telling em they were in hell was to obvious to be true. If they were going to tell us what the island really is, they would do it a lot more subtle. They wouldn’t come straight out & say “it’s hell”. blackhole people, blackhole.

    – jack knows julliette is a mole. He’s had a lot of weird moments with her (ex. That really freaky line he had about her dragging kate out into the jungle in One of Us, “missing that cheese burger yet?” I have a feeling the next line would’ve been “only 3 more days”). they’re aware of their missions & are waiting for the signal (naomi?).

    – nobody is a clone! Ben & friends know everything about the losties because they have file on em! Did u see the size of sawyers or jacks? Did u notice how much locke knew about sawyer from his file or how much julliette knew about jack from his?

    – about locke’s “not anymore line”. I took it more as “now that my daddy’s out of the way none of that matters anymore. Now I can walk, that son of a gun is dead, and I get to go hang out with my new friends & learn about the magic jungle!”

    – I really hope that sayid is goin to question naomi again. She’s a plant (either other or dharma) and I don’t like her. He better not get to carried away with a new cell phone to play with. She ain’t gonna save him so y should he save her?

    – sayid, desmond, Charlie, & hurley & jin haven’ told anybody about Naomi yet cause nobody knows who she is yet (and jin can‘t speak English). Besides that, I find it very hard to believe that des, Charlie, hurley can carry in some chick with blood all over without anybody noticing. Come on people! It’s worse than a small town! Speakin of which I feel bad for those poor people havin to listen to kate& sawyer all night.

    – jon had to kill his daddy cause 1) he needed to get rid of the thing that mattered most to him: being accepted by his old man, 2) that’s how u get excepted into the club, 3) they needed entertainment. I don’t know just guesses.

    – the show isn’t about religion it’s about faith & science (I think). There are people of faith (locke, ecko was, Charlie, Richard & Sayid) and there are people of science (jack, julliette, ben, & dharma).

    – FMGreenSteve: great idea about TMFT & Richard alpert. Makes a lot sense.

    – if nott killing is the right of passage barb, y wouldn’t ben have told him everything right then & there rather than tell him “don’t follow us unless you’re father’s dead body is on your back”?

    – the episode was not predictable at all to me. Sawyer killin cooper, kind of but everybody was really confused about wether or not he was or locke since sawyer’s softened up a litte. This ep was great! Sawyer & Locke’s characters were redeemed, Naomi’s as big a mystery as ever, Des & Kate are still more lovesick & stupid then they’ve ever been.

    – when did we see how much dynamite danielle took?

    – anita, great idea about naomi! It’ll be the perfect con!

  171. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    Something bugged me about the show last night and I just figured it out. Did Cooper have a death wish or what? First he taunts Locke as Ben is urging Locke to kill Cooper. Nobody would do that, unless they knew they weren’t going to die. Then, he does it again after he’s already told Sawyer to simmer down. Geezes, is the guy stupid?! No, stupid men aren’t con men. He keeps going after Sawyer until Sawyer snaps and kills Cooper. What’s telling me that Cooper knows that if he dies he really doesn’t, that all will be ok? His reactions were just too strange all night.

  172. froggirl says:

    Whatif, I noticed that too. Seems like such a contradiction to include “free will” in the same breath as “you HAVE to kill your father”.

    And even if Richard is working against Ben, he still wanted Cooper dead. Or at least thought Locke needed to kill him. Strange.

  173. Erin says:

    [quote comment=”55363″]
    4) Sawyer will be taken by Smokey next – it seems in the past that when characters come to reconciliation with their past (thinking mostly of Ecko and perhaps Boone) Smokey appears and takes them. And Sawyer finished his life-long pursuit by killing Cooper.
    quote]

    If you’re right and Sawyer dies, I don’t know if I can watch anymore. He is my favourite character, for sooo many reasons. He was manipulated into doing what he did, and he certainly didn’t feel good about it when it was done. It would be unfair to kill him off at this point. And if they’re all dead (I don’t believe they are), can Smokey really kill them? Hmmmm…. So confusing!

  174. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”55425″]Something bugged me about the show last night and I just figured it out. Did Cooper have a death wish or what? First he taunts Locke as Ben is urging Locke to kill Cooper. Nobody would do that, unless they knew they weren’t going to die. Then, he does it again after he’s already told Sawyer to simmer down. Geezes, is the guy stupid?! No, stupid men aren’t con men. He keeps going after Sawyer until Sawyer snaps and kills Cooper. What’s telling me that Cooper knows that if he dies he really doesn’t, that all will be ok? His reactions were just too strange all night.[/quote]

    I was thinking the same thing the whole time. LOL. Then again, he already thinks he is in hell and dead. Maybe he thinks he has nothing to lose OR like you say, he knows he isn’t really going to die. This is all a test. Who knows?

  175. MD says:

    [quote comment=”55418″]Correct me if im wrong but the others shouldnt know about Desmond right? I mean he shipwreaked on the island three years ago via little sailboat and was almost immediately brought to the swan by Kelvin. TPTB has said that the others didnt even know about the swan until Locke found it. I believe Naomi is genuine when she says she was hired by penelope to find Desmond thus not making her an other because they shouldnt even know about Desmond so how would she have the picture. any thoughts?[/quote]

    The others may not know about Desmond’s girl but they would have to know about the swan. Don’t you remember the camera’s in the Pearl station. They saw into the swan station.

  176. theorynut says:

    [quote comment=”55319″]My theory: The island is Hell/Purgatory. Ben is the Devil and “the Others” are Ben’s subordinate demons. Ben tried to test Lock’s fitness as a demon by encouraging (temptation) Locke to kill his own father. Locke can’t do it because he isn’t capable of such evil and gets Sawyer to do it instead. All the people who led lives of evil doing (Sayid, Sawyer, Kate, Sun, Jin) are those who were not sought after by the others. Those who were sought after are people who basically led lives of good works (Jack, Locke, Claire) because the devils want them destroyed. All the Losties are already dead. There is no escape, Jack knows this, and that is why he feigned interest in the satellite phone Kate told him about (“How are you going to call the ship from here?”). Rejection of “the others” is rejecting evil. If anyone were to “escape” from the island, they would ascend into heaven. Lock will end up becoming the saviour once he finds a way to destroy Ben and lead the other “good” Losties off the island and into heaven. This will happen in the final episode.[/quote]

    **while watching this episode I thought, yeah this has to be hell or something. I agree, Ben is the devil, in the Bible, He is the Father of Lies, Ben seems to be a good lier. I think the producers are messing with us. Also, in the Bible the reference Jacob I loved, Esau I hated, those on Jacob’s list, maybe the Good Losties, haven’t heard what the name of the other list is. Thanks for your theory. I concur.

  177. April says:

    another similarity to the stephen king series- people can come back to life –

    what about that guy (I can’t remember his name – eyepatch dude) wasn’t he dead before?

    this would explain locke’s father not too concerned with taunting him – knowing he will come back.

    I think having locke kill his father is a test – on a superficial level of removing the ‘monkey on his back’ and a deeper level of letting go and succumbing to the island and to what locke believes is enchanted.

  178. theorynut says:

    The reason the show is called LOST is because it is about “lost souls” making their way out of limbo or something. It may not be purgatory, but perhaps a Dante’s inferno with a twist. Who knows, great episode, can’t wait til the finale.

  179. KillerR says:

    It seems that Jack and Juliet are going to tell Kate whats up, but i bet she will have already heard the tape Sawyer has and wont believe them. Also, Richard is working with Ben. its the old good cop bad cop rutine where you get the wanted effect in the end.

  180. Other 218 says:

    Dead, not dead? Time compression or not? Reincarnation or not? Magic food/parachutist from the sky. This is sounding more and more like a high-end computer gaming/modeling simulation than a viable plot. Maybe all of our island folks answered a casting call at the mall to participate in an advanced gaming test… now they are twelve stories below the desert floor out in Area 51 with all kinds electrodes sticking out of them, floating in sensory depravation tanks. (And we get to buy the LOST game this summer/fall – marketing is where the real money is).

  181. April says:

    i agree with KillerR… it just reeked of good cop bad cop

  182. Other 218 says:

    (that’s right when talks about the “box” – he means the “X-Box”)

  183. KillerR says:

    It all goes back to the Apollo Bars

  184. KillerR says:

    It all goes back to the Apollo Bars.

  185. Tasha says:

    What if they wanted Locke to kill his dad so bad to prove that he can’t? Maybe if John killed his dad in front of everyone, his dad would have lived. Because John is special. His dad would not have died.

    Ben and Richard have set him up to have Sawyer kill Cooper. Since Sawyer is not special, then Cooper really is dead. When Locke brings Cooper back dead, Ben and Richard will know that Sawyer did it. Everyone else will think Locke killed him and since he is really dead and didn’t come back to life, then Locke doesn’t have what everyone is looking for.

    It’s too obvious that Richard handed Locke a folder on Sawyer and Ben isn’t going to notice that info missing? They just left the info with him after they all left. I think Ben set it up and that is why he took everyone and moved on out.

    That is why Patchy didn’t die, because Locke is the one that pushed him into the fence. Maybe Locke knows he can’t kill his dad, so why try? He doesn’t want to be disappointed that is why he said..”I can’t do it.” to Sawyer.

    Is this way far fetched or what? Does this make any sense?

  186. muffy81 says:

    Agreed that this was an excellent episode. The whole Naomi plot is interesting to me. She said that Penelope sent her to look for Dez. Remember that when the hatch blew up, the search team that was out (I believe on boat) searching for Dez had seen the effect of the magnetic forces/the explosion on their radar. This is what confuses me most about the relationship between the island and the outside world… but perhaps that explosion is what eventually led Naomi to search in that area of the ocean. I want to believe that the island is a form of afterlife. I like the theories about Lost time and that Richard may be able to make things happen back in the outside world (Juliette’s boss getting hit by the bus and “Tom Sawyer”‘s accident). This show can be nearly contradictory, confusing and leaves so much to be desired. That’s what makes us keep watching!

  187. muffy81 says:

    Agreed that this was an excellent episode. The whole Naomi plot is interesting to me. She said that Penelope sent her to look for Dez. Remember that when the hatch blew up, the search team that was out (I believe on boat) searching for Dez had seen the effect of the magnetic forces/the explosion on their radar. This is what confuses me most about the relationship between the island and the outside world… but perhaps that explosion is what eventually led Naomi to search in that area of the ocean. I want to believe that the island is a form of afterlife. I like the theories about Lost time and that Richard may be able to make things happen back in the outside world (Juliette’s boss getting hit by the bus and “Tom Sawyer”‘s accident). This show can be nearly contradictory, confusing and leaves so much to be desired. That’s what makes us keep watching!

    Tasha – very interesting perspective about the reason that Patchy isn’t dead…

  188. MD says:

    [quote comment=”55425″]Something bugged me about the show last night and I just figured it out. Did Cooper have a death wish or what? First he taunts Locke as Ben is urging Locke to kill Cooper. Nobody would do that, unless they knew they weren’t going to die. Then, he does it again after he’s already told Sawyer to simmer down. Geezes, is the guy stupid?! No, stupid men aren’t con men. He keeps going after Sawyer until Sawyer snaps and kills Cooper. What’s telling me that Cooper knows that if he dies he really doesn’t, that all will be ok? His reactions were just too strange all night.[/quote]

    I think he was just really convinced that he was dead already. He kept going on and on about hell.

  189. April says:

    I agree… i forgot that locke killed patchy. did anyone else think that the people standing around after ben took locke to his father was a bit dreamlike?

  190. LostDamery says:

    Wow 186 comments…cant believe I read them all!
    I am sure 10 more will fit in before my 2 cents:
    1) I think the Apes under the island are conning Ben via the Magic Box and whisper communications and the island is the experiment of Cons. A sort of CON test…?
    2) The island is miniature in size until the field around it sucks you in like a black hole and then the clouds open and you see the island because you are small like the island. That Giant four toed statue is actual size!

    Yeah Shocker!
    Support info : Naomi is saying the plane was found because that is what she was told…media is not to be trusted.

  191. patience says:

    [quote comment=”55430″][quote comment=”55418″]Correct me if im wrong but the others shouldnt know about Desmond right? I mean he shipwreaked on the island three years ago via little sailboat and was almost immediately brought to the swan by Kelvin. TPTB has said that the others didnt even know about the swan until Locke found it. I believe Naomi is genuine when she says she was hired by penelope to find Desmond thus not making her an other because they shouldnt even know about Desmond so how would she have the picture. any thoughts?[/quote]

    The others may not know about Desmond’s girl but they would have to know about the swan. Don’t you remember the camera’s in the Pearl station. They saw into the swan station.[/quote]

    TPTB has said that the others didnt even know about the swan until Locke found it. therefore not knowing about Desmond at all.

  192. Eric says:

    I don’t remember Penny and Desmond being given two copies of their snapshot. So how does Naomi have one when she arrives?

  193. myrealnameissawyer says:

    I know that first rule of the thread is to read all the comments and not to be redundent, but the thread is too damn long to read every little thing…..so…

    – I agree with the idea the Juliet has told Jack that she is reporting back to Ben and that is what Jack doesn’t want her to tell Kate. It only makes sense since I think they mutually agree that they need to do whatever they can to get off the island.

    – with that said – even if someone who isn’t an other gets off the island I don’t think they will be able to find it again due to the island being in some sort of time warp, guarded by a force field, in another demension, etc.

    – I have recently gone and watched a couple of the episodes from the first season, before we knew about The Others. There are more than a couple of lines in the first 4 episodes in which some one uses the phrase “the others” in reference to the other crash surviors and whenever I hear the phrase regardless of who it is speaking of, it gives the show a level of creepiness I can’t describe.

    – I think Jack and Juliet have talked to Danielle and she is going to use the dynamite to help them fight the others (I hate believeing that juliet has good intentions. I don’t want to like Juliet. or jack right now for that matter.)

    – oh ya – and I love Kate, but she needs to get over Jack and stick with Sawyer. Jack doesn’t care about her anymore. Besides we all know she’s going to be Sawyer’s Baby’s mama.

  194. April says:

    i think this is all an elaborate experiment. des ‘thinks’ there is only 1 photo, bc this is what they put in his brainwashing…. i don’t trust naomi, i believe she has something to do with either the dharma group back home or with the others plan to come back in 3 days.. unless that was a lie by ben to juliette?

  195. Benjamin Compson says:

    riddle me this… if all are correct Jacks father would still be out and about the island….right..

  196. Benjamin Compson says:

    he would have been brought to the island just as Johns father was…. but we know that jacks father killed himself…as johns father described his death before coming to the island…

  197. Benjamin Compson says:

    we knew Jacks father died…. but when Johns father discussed his ordeal about arriving on the island.. Jacks father would have suffered the same fate as to arriving on the island.

  198. Tasha says:

    Jack’s dad was already dead…in the coffin people! Where has everyone been? His body is not in the coffin anymore so it is possible he is there.

  199. mom40 says:

    Wow! This show just keeps getting better and better!!

    Just as Locke and Sawyer entered the ship, the camera panned above their heads and it looked like there was fresh blood. Anyone else catch that?

    I agree that Cooper saying they’re in hell would make that explanation way too obvious, but I can’t even begin to imagine what’s going on. I really enjoy everyone’s theories. I totally believe in the ‘box’. I think Locke did bring his father to the island. I think the majority of what is happening is because people are obsessing about one thing or another and then it comes to fruition. I just don’t know why it’s happening. Maybe Sawyer brought Cooper? And I won’t be surprised if Cooper comes back to life…just like Patchy.

    As for Kate, I for sure want in line to kick her a**!!!!! OMG, what was she thinking?!!

    [quote comment=”55270″][quote comment=”55230″]why would naomi tell syaid “remeind me not to save you.” how would she “save” him. she all messed up right now…unless its a time travel thing she knows about and can come back later????[/quote]

    Its called sarcasm,she said that because Sayid was questioning her and inferring she was a liar.She would “save” him by getting him to the boat offshore.Come on ,follow the plot a bit better that that please.[/quote]

    That seemed a little harsh. I know there are rules here, but aren’t we here to ask questions and theorize and wait for the ‘AH-HAH!’ moments? I think what’s more annoying than reading through 100 similar posts (which, by the way, I don’t really mind…I read pretty fast and just skip the stuff I’ve already read) is reading all the posts telling people not to repeat posts and posts of people apologizing for repeating posts that they may or may not have even realized they repeated! Geez…:p

  200. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55456″]he would have been brought to the island just as Johns father was…. but we know that jacks father killed himself…as johns father described his death before coming to the island…[/quote]
    I’m not sure what you are getting at, but D&C confirmed that Jack’s dad is dead.

  201. April says:

    hmmm … i was wondering if des traded pushing the button for saving charlie’s life?

  202. April says:

    there are alot of routine type of activities often found in a psychological experiment – pushing the button (close to the Milgram experiment????) or the series of actions to get a fish biscuit – similar to skinner, behavior type experiments?

  203. txflw says:

    I don’t get it! Why should we believe TPTB about the others not knowing about the swan station when we saw the basement of the communications area. They had every Dharma manual on shelves, complete with schematics etc….I’m just saying….don’t trust them.

  204. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55469″]hmmm … i was wondering if des traded pushing the button for saving charlie’s life?[/quote]
    Maybe, but I took it that Dez wasn’t able to see flashes until he got popped by the hatch.

  205. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”55375″]Did anyone pick up any clues on the structure that Cooper was tied to? Why was it there, what was it?[/quote]

    [quote comment=”55417″]Wanna bet that the big monolith/pillar that A. Cooper was tied to has similar origin to the four toed statue. That whole Other encampment had a primitive amphitheater quality to it – human sacrifice, etc….[/quote]

    [quote comment=”55412″]2 Q’s:
    – Did anyone catch the name of the cargo ship 80 miles offshore? The name sounded mythological – that’s always a LOST clue.
    – What books did we see in Bens’ tent as Locke reported to him? He passed in front of several serious novels on a two/three shelf bookcase.[/quote]

    OK, I have an idea to throw out there…The column and Greek amphitheatre, plus the 4 toed statue, the name Penelope, etc, all have Greek mythology connections. So, is it too far to think that their island is the lost city of Atlantis, or the Dharma recreation of it?

    And going with this, I’m repeating Snap’s question re: the cargo ship’s name. Anyone catch that? I may tie in if it is related to Greek mythology.

  206. April says:

    [quote comment=”55473″][quote comment=”55469″]hmmm … i was wondering if des traded pushing the button for saving charlie’s life?[/quote]
    Maybe, but I took it that Dez wasn’t able to see flashes until he got popped by the hatch.[/quote]

    I meant in a repetitive action sort of way…

  207. April says:

    I could see the greek connection, the lost city of atlantis>>>>?????

  208. Rick says:

    Sorry if it’s already been suggested (at work and can’t read all 200 posts…), but I have a brief theory of the dynamic of the individuals on the island. The island itself is what is, some as of yet to be explained natural phenomenon being manipulated by one or more groups of people. But that doesn’t quite explain the social dynamic.

    Ben is a lame duck leader and he knows it. He’s leading due to the absence of the true leader. Ben, learning of the secret of the island, disagreed with the Dharma initiative’s utiliziation of it. For some as of yet unknown selfish reason, he created the faction of “Others” and drove the wedge in the organization. Surely, the reasoning for the divide as invented by Ben was some great moral atrocity. He claimed to be doing it for the greater good. In reality, it was purely selfish, or at least your classic woefully misguided and deluded evil villain who saves the world by destroying it.

    Thusly, Ben is playing the role of the reluctant leader. He doesn’t “want” to be in charge, but he does it because he “has to”. (much like Jack is with the LOSTies). However, Ben’s Nietzsche complex is really the story. He uses the reluctant & benevolent leader facade to hide his true goals. However, his act is wearing thin. Luckily, he’s the only game in town… Until the crash of flight 815.

    So, where does Locke fit in? There’s some “prophecy” about a new leader taking over. This isn’t religious in nature mind you, but perhaps Ben himself had created the prophecy of their savior’s arrival as a means of control. Surely there would be things, predictions, etc. which would prove that the new guy was indeed the “savior”. Well, fate has played a cruel trick on Ben and his lie is actually true. Locke IS that guy. However, Locke has no clue about the prophecy and doesn’t realize his role. Ben does.

    Given that the Others all knew about Locke, Ben couldn’t simply deny the situation. Rather, he had to control and manipulate it to protect his power. Rather than letting fate take it’s course and having Locke fulfill the prophecy, Ben set Locke up to fail in a fake playing-out of the prophetic event(s). The religious symbolism of Sawyer chained up was part of the reason I think this could be the case. By having all the Others see Ben “fail” to fulfill the prophecy, Ben would be able maintain the reluctant leader illusion; “He’s not who WE thought he was” Ben said with fake dejection. Ben plays himself off as just one of the crew, subject to a fate not yet arrived.

    Unfortunately for Ben, fate always finds a way.

    Locke is indeed on his own mission now. Locke is THE key to the series. Jack and Ben are counterparts, both struggling to lead their flocks, with their own set of intentions at stake. However, that is just the context for Locke’s discovery of the nature of the island and it’s eventual discovery by (or perhaps compete removal or re-hiding from) the rest of the world.

  209. GuttahMan says:

    Just a theory….

    I think this could all be part of a govt. conspiracy, Similar to “area 51”. Maybe years ago they stumbled on to this mysterious island and its strange powers and have been experimenting ever since. Who else would have the power to do all the things that have been going on?? faking a plane crash, having extensive files on each person on the plane, food drops, bringing certain people to and from the island, etc. The U.S. govt. is the most powerful force in the world and nothing that has taken place on the island is beyond their reach.

    I think the producers are throwing all these clues at us because they dont want us to think of the most simplistic solutions…think about it, if the losties and others are infact “dead” or in “purgatory”, why do they need food? the last i heard, dead people dont eat, and how are they allowed to procreate? and how come people die? how can you die if your already dead? little things like this disprove the theories of “hell” and “Purgatory”.

    As far as the island being a wormhole or what ever u think it is….I think its highly improbable. In order to travel from one time period to another you would need some sort of a time machine right? and then Ben would control that time machine right? If that were the case, why are there so many casualties when it comes to pregnancy? After you lose the first mother, why not go back in time and try something different to save her life? The last i heard, submarines dont travel through time.

    aight, those are my theories, now heres what i think about the last ep.

    I think it was one of the best of the season, we got to see a side of sawyer that we havent seen yet and a side of Locke that we always knew exsisted…we knew from the first season that Locke was easily manipulated and ultimatly just wanted to have his “father” in his life. Locke is not a leader and i think thats why Ben told him he wasnt ready, in the end i think Locke will be the leader the others but not by choice. As far as Jack is concerned…i really dont know…since he has come back to the losties camp, he has distanced himself from his former crew…he is manipulating someone, im just not sure if its the others or the losties. Naomi i think is the real deal, im not sure why but i believe her story, now i dont think she will get anyone off the island, but i do think she was there to help…eventually her crew will think she is dead and leave…

    Sorry this is so long and for any mis-spellings

  210. SpinPapi says:

    [quote comment=”55411″][quote comment=”55407″]1.

    Did anyone notice the whirring sound when Sawyer and Locke stop in the water on the way to Black Rock? At first I thought it was an insect but it sounded like electronic whirring….Smokey? Cameras?[/quote]

    Forgot about that! Yes I heard it and thought it was bird sounds, but I remembering asking myself why it was so loud and pronounced.[/quote]

    The smoke monster “taxicab receipt” sound definitely appeared in this episode. But it also appeared last week, just before Hurley shot off the flare. Anyone notice that? They are being watched…but by whom? What?

  211. SpinPapi says:

    [quote comment=”55419″][quote comment=”55208″]I think when Locke said, “I am on my own journey now,” he meant it. I don’t think he is with anyone, I think he is only thinking about himself right now and he is going to do whatever it takes to help himself.[/quote]

    I agree. I think the whole scene with Roussou was to indicate that he is a lot like her now. He is in it by himself and only for himself. He will give the Losties a heads-up when needed, but he will also work with the Others. All he will do from now on is in order to further his own interests. In some sense, he has become the male version of Roussou.[/quote]

    Mark my words: Locke and Rousseau will come together. They are the “Adam and Eve” found in Season One.

  212. April says:

    i can’t help but feel that locke is a red herring, i can’t put my finger on it, but i believe he is detracting us from the true story.

  213. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”55481″]i can’t help but feel that locke is a red herring, i can’t put my finger on it, but i believe he is detracting us from the true story.[/quote]

    You meant “distracting us”, right?

  214. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”55476″]I could see the greek connection, the lost city of atlantis>>>>?????[/quote]

    I proposed something like that a few months ago. It being Atlantis or something similar (there are lost islands myths in many ancient cultures). Atlantis was also thought to still exist under water somehow- which would explain why you need a submarine if you are trying to get there on purpose, not accidentally like all the people who crashed there.

  215. Journeyman says:

    The Brig answered a lot of questions. This epi was needed. The flashbacks are great; however, they make it hard to follow sometimes. I believe TIME TRAVEL is the right track. Desmondo, FMGreen and others.

    A Temporal Breach has been found by the Good folks at Dharma. Time Travel has been discovered and we are all feeling a lot of DeJa vu thanks to Desmond. All three seasons keep pushing us in the wormhole, string theory direction. I think the writers are big fans of Brian Greene or at least his theory on time travel and multiple parallel universes.

    This was confirmed by the Oceanic Flight being found (2 sources) and everyone is found dead.

    Why else would they put you to sleep to bring you to the island if they were not shooting you through a wormhole?

    For those of us that struggle the Paradox with killing Locke’s father need to look at the parallel universe theory or multiple universe theory.

  216. April says:

    [quote comment=”55485″][quote comment=”55481″]i can’t help but feel that locke is a red herring, i can’t put my finger on it, but i believe he is detracting us from the true story.[/quote]

    You meant “distracting us”, right?[/quote]

    yes that and detract – a transitive and intransitive verb to reduce the quality, value, or importance of something by taking something away

  217. theorynut says:

    I’m still new to this blog, and I’m being totally serious with this theory, so hear goes… I think LOST is an experimental TV show that is NOT a “true” Drama, I think the writers are truly writing this show based on the fans/bloggers theories. They’ve pretty much thrown in “everything except the kitchen sink into this show.” It’s a philosophical mess. There are so many clues, which may or may not have any relevance, it just keeps us guessing. How come there is so much relegious, philosophical, literature type cluse. We have Biblical names, Book Character Names, Philosophers names (Locke, Hume??) I’m sure those of you who have watched this show from the beginning see the pattern in all these relevant (yet not) names. I don’t know…my brain is really starting to hurt from trying to truly figure out this show. I think all these clues are for us to write the ending of the show. And when it’s all over, they’ll reveal that the fans with their theories tied this show up in a nice little package. What TV show has brought out so much Philosophical discussion, some of you bloggers are incredible and you know your stuff. Probably better than the writers of the show. Anyways I’m venting.

  218. Lindsey says:

    Someone said: 8. Where in God’s name are Rose and Bernard?

    While all of you are debating hell, purgatory, and spiritual signifcance, I just want to know about Rose & Bernard, simplistic as I am!!!

    Seriously, there HAS TO BE some sort of religious theme here. Too much allegory and reference if you ask me for it not to be pertinant at all.

    My first thought after watching last night was the whole SON KILL THE FATHER thing was an eerily opposite God the Father/Jesus the Son crucified type of reversal.

    I don’t know and I sort of like the mystery.

    And, for what its worth, the producers and writers could swear off purgatory but does that really mean they’re not lying to us? If it is indeed purgatory or something similar, did anyone think they’d really say “oh yeah, you’re right!” and give away the secrets to the show? No way.

  219. Panda says:

    A few things:

    1. I really don’t think this is purgatory. I think the producers know this is what people are thinking and had TMFT say that stuff as a shout out to fans. Also Evangeline Lilly said in an interview she doesn’t think it’s purgatory. Not that that’s authoratative, but the actors seem to feel it’s not.

    2. I love the idea that Locke now has healing powers, and that in fact not only could he not psychologically kill his dad, but even if he did knife him he wouldn’t have died. Ben says that as soon as Locke came with the Others, Ben could start walking again. Locke is somehow healing him.

    3. In terms of the power dynamic with Ben, it doesn’t quite add up: if Ben is truly afraid of Locke’s ability to take over the Others, why is he giving him the ultimatum to kill his dad, then saying “we’ll leave a trail you can track”, and then agreeing to show Locke the secrets of the island? Ben does nothing altruistically, he only manipulates people. He is going to get something out of having Locke fully realize the secrets of the island. He knows Locke has some kind of special power, and is putting a long con on him to have Locke use that power for Ben’s benefit.

    4. I find it interesting that in season 1, Rousseau had never actually seen the Others, only “heard them whispering”. By this logic, Ben was the first she had seen, when she got him in his trap. Clearly Ben let himself be captured. I think Rousseau is lying about never having seen the Others. I think a more likely explanation would be something like she was an Other or Dharma and was banished and allowed to live. Perhaps she was a part of the true Dharma that was purged or something. But now she knows Alex is alive she has it out for them, hence the dynamite. Hopefully we’ll get some Rousseau goodness (and flashbacks!) in this season.

  220. April says:

    [quote comment=”55490″]I think LOST is an experimental TV show that is NOT a “true” Drama, I think the writers are truly writing this show based on the fans/bloggers theories. They’ve pretty much thrown in “everything except the kitchen sink into this show.”

    I have often thought this very thing!
    I really don’t buy the purgatory thing. there are too many inconsistencies….

  221. Newbee says:

    If the island is Hell/Purgatory, then how do you explain the pregnant women dying during their pregnancies? So children don’t go to purgatory, they go to heaven…is the mother “dying” is really just an ascension… to where? Heaven or hell. And what happens to unborn baby?

  222. Alex says:

    [quote comment=”55413″]I don’t think jack is an other. I think that the others have somehow blocked communication to the island, therefore he knows that even with a satelite phone there is no way they can communicate with someone outside of the island. The whole “should we tell her” thing with Kate is about them not being able to communicate and the island not being able to be found by normal means.[/quote]

    I agree with this. I really don’t think Jack is a mole – his archetypal character is the Hero.
    Juliet was the one who shot Pickett if it meant getting off the island. Someone she lived with for (presumably) a long time.
    Jack wouldn’t even kill the Marshall out of mercy all the way back in season one, and now he’s going to betray everyone?
    Jack wasn’t even going to get off the Island for himself – he was going to do it to save all the other survivors.
    Juliet just wants to get back home. She has her own interests at heart, and that is why she is a mole, but Jack isn’t.
    This is just like the football throwing thing. It looks like Jack is an Other, but he isn’t.

  223. ABD says:

    Is the whirring noise the same as the sound from the machine on Locke’s desk at the box company in season one?

  224. poopypants says:

    – Any time “Jack” opens his mouth to someone on the beach its like an interrogation,who’s where?,who’s doing what?,who’s with who?,im tellin yea hes gathering info for Ben for the upcomming raid.
    – Found it very interesting that BOTH Cooper and Naomi are trying to convince the Losties that they’re all dead,very interesting indeed,what it means,not sure,but if Naomi and Coop are saying it ,I would think its lie planted by Ben.
    -You know,Ben says the sperm count is five times greater on the “Island” so I was thinking thats this is some effect of gravity and then I remembered that the gravity of the Moon is 5-6 times less,you throw in the fact that the DHARMA initiative stared up very soon after the US landed on the Moon with the Apollo program(apollo choclate bars?/hint hint)
    throw in the military references and im tellin yea this “Island” is a long running covert US military/NASA program to try to populate an artifical atmosphere on the dark side of the Moon
    -I would say that Cooper wasn’t killed in the 70 mph car crash ,that was staged by DHARMA goons,to enable his transfer(flight) to the island(Moon)

  225. Chris says:

    [quote comment=”55495″]If the island is Hell/Purgatory, then how do you explain the pregnant women dying during their pregnancies? So children don’t go to purgatory, they go to heaven…is the mother “dying” is really just an ascension… to where? Heaven or hell. And what happens to unborn baby?[/quote]

    Women only “die” (permanently descend into hell) if the conception occured in life (off the island) because this would be a sinful conception in the underworld. Thus Kate’s child with Sawyer will result in Kate’s death. But Claire “survived” (remains in the underworld) since she conceived in life.

  226. Chris says:

    [quote comment=”55504″][quote comment=”55495″]If the island is Hell/Purgatory, then how do you explain the pregnant women dying during their pregnancies? So children don’t go to purgatory, they go to heaven…is the mother “dying” is really just an ascension… to where? Heaven or hell. And what happens to unborn baby?[/quote]

    Women only “die” (permanently descend into hell) if the conception occured in life (off the island) because this would be a sinful conception in the underworld. Thus Kate’s child with Sawyer will result in Kate’s death. But Claire “survived” (remains in the underworld) since she conceived in life.[/quote]

    Correction: I meant to say that Women only “die” (permanently descend into hell) if the conception occured on the island because this would be a sinful conception in the underworld.

  227. poopypants says:

    Sub is a prop.

  228. theorynut says:

    Question??? Amyone? Do we know who’s the Baby Daddy with Claire? Just checking?

  229. lost chicka says:

    it’s tooken me all day to go through here! every time i get through reading all the posts & add mine, 50 more show up!

    – Naomi is NOT workin for Penny. She’s dharma, other, or other others. She’s some sort of spy.

    – Didn’t locke kill the cop on the drug farm?

    – Jack & Julliette are going to pretend like they have this master plan to kick Ben out of power to get the Losties to follow them into the jungle. Those who don’t come will stay at the beach with Naomi. J&J will lead them to where Ben’s peoples’ knock em out like they did last time. But wait, Sawyer’s about to spoil J&J’s mission by playin the tape, which is EXACTLY what Ben wants. J&J (or at least julliette) now will be taken prisoners & Sawyer will be the new leader. Julliette is going to be caught in her lie again to supposedly gain trust. She’ll say something like “I’m just doin that so he’ll still think I’m with him” but sawyer & sayid will kick her ass anyways. Ben thought that Jack could protect Juliette & carry out the plan since he is the leader of the losties, but when he showed up with Julliette an other paired with Kate’s fun campin trip with Julls & Sayid sayin don’t trust em, nobody wants Jack anymore. Ben’s plan A is spoiled & moves on to Plan B: naomi. Naomi will supposedly save them all & her boat will show up to rescue them all but it’s really the Others in disguise.

    – Julliete thinks she can change Jack & Jack thinks he can change her.

    – MKS: exactly how DO u see an island at night? That’s just the beginning of the wholes in her story. Sayid has to see the whole in her story.

    – Charlie, Kate, & Sun are all gonna die. They have a death sentence & there ain’t nothing they can do about it. Actually, Sun & Kate (I’m now convinced she’s preggers – again) could possibly live if they let Julliette to do experiments on them. If sawyer or sayid or ben or locke die, I don’t think I’ll be able to watch the show anymore.

    – What is the real reason the others are there?

    – if locke is so in tune with the island, y does he need Ben to show him?

    – cooper seemed to me like he wanted to be hated, not to be dead. Just like sawyer in S1. But he thought he was in hell, so what did he think he had to loose?

    – NOBODY has come back to life yet. Goodwin & Ethan would’ve gotten revenge by now & Patchy never died (that’s what D&C). Ben wouldn’t be so concerned about mothers & babies dying.

    – interesting idea Tasha. Locke can’t kill anybody cause they’ll just cum back to life since he’s special. & Richard handed over the folder a bit to obviously. I hope they have an extra copy of sawyer’s folder!

    – the island has a bubble that makes it impossible to be found, the island is in another dimension, the island is gov. controlled, or atlantis

    – I think it was a combination or locke & sawyer wanting cooper to be on the island, not just locke.

  230. FMGreenSteve says:

    theorynut: we don’t know who the Aaron’s father is.

    lost chicka: we don’t know if Locke killed the cop.

  231. lost chicka says:

    Jack is working with the Others:
    – He’s alredy helped Ben once.
    – He’s choosing one of them over Kate. (probably helps that julliette is a blonde. i swear tho i hav nothin against blondes!)
    – He’s already worked with the Others to get himself off the island.
    – He’s distancing away from the rest of the 815ers.
    – Whenever he opens his mouth (as stated by poopypants) it’s like he’s interogating.
    – If a long con is done right, the person being conned thinks it’s there idea & there’ the one’s in charge.

  232. lost chicka says:

    aaron’s daddy is Thomas, remember?

  233. Joel says:

    Hey everyone. this blog proves the intense power of communication. I am a teacher and I so want my students to realize that people write for the purpose of comprehension; that it takes several minds working together to puzzle over a great mystery. All of you are so valuable! Each mind puts forth its two cents (sorry, Hammer, Lost chicka, and those of you who give so much more!) but each 2 cents extends the collective comprehension.

    O.K. Enough psycho-teacher-babble. The real issue is I now hate Kate! She is so useless. My prediction now is that whatever showdown occurs at the end of the season, she will screw up the outcome. I agree that Locke is now a VIP on the show, but Kate is a very important spoiler. You would think she would have learned to think logically, based on all of her back stories that involve bad decisions based on “feelings”. She needs to be stopped!

    I was really captivated by the character development of Sawyer. This episode showed a whole other side of him and made him much more likeable despite the action he took with Cooper. Anyone in the same room with Cooper would have done the same thing–yet Locke couldn’t bring himself to do it. Locke is a true “good man”, and I think his role in the story now moves into a parallel with Rousseau–two souls seeking peace and justice. My question: what on earth does Locke want that makes him carry his dead father on his back to Ben? Ben is horrible. Ben is pathetic. Locke is good. Why would he give Ben what he wants (dead body of Locke’s father) when he can’t prove he killed him? Does he really need Ben’s approval still????

    I think Naomi is for real. She will prove to be a valuable bit of reality for the islanders who have no connection to the real world anymore.

    Jack is no longer respectable. Whatever great qualities he used to have, he is now a self-absorbed jerk. Isn’t there some way he could preserve his dignity by winking or whispering his loyalty to the beach crew? But no, he act as though he wants them to distrust him. Yet he has the audacity to ask Kate why nobody told him about the deevelopments!

    I also think the finale will bring Rose and Bernard back. It seems like everything the bloggers want eventually is written into the show. The wierd thing is that the show is written before the bloggers have a chance to react!

  234. theorynut says:

    Hey lost chicka, more info please, who was Thomas???

  235. theorynut says:

    Hey lost chicka, more info please, who was Thomas??? Thanks.

  236. Joel says:

    Oh, one more thought. It was too convenient for Richard Alpert to give Locke that folder. Here these people are, camping, away from their base, and yet a folder is easily retrieved. Tell me Ben didn’t know! By the way, we saw Ben packed up and ready to take his position in the line of moving people. But he was at the END OF THE LINE! What kind of leader marches at the end of the line?? And who was carrying his stuff? He only had a cane and a pack, but he had a pile of stuff when Locke walked up to him.

  237. cazzie says:

    why would the others risk killing the real sawyer to get him on the island…he said he was going 70 mph when his accident accured…seems like a big risk on the others part unless they know of a way to save someone life on the island….someone please try and help me out.

  238. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”55511″]

    – interesting idea Tasha. Locke can’t kill anybody cause they’ll just cum back to life since he’s special. & Richard handed over the folder a bit to obviously. I hope they have an extra copy of sawyer’s folder!

    – the island has a bubble that makes it impossible to be found, the island is in another dimension, the island is gov. controlled, or atlantis

    – I think it was a combination or locke & sawyer wanting cooper to be on the island, not just locke.[/quote]

    Thanks. It’s not Atlantis. It’s some type of wormhole into hallow earth….

  239. MKS says:

    I don’t believe Naomi is an Other.
    1- Desmond would have known if she was an Other.
    2- I think that when she said “I am not alone” she was refering to the ship she was on.
    3- I think it would have been too risky for the Others to send her in like that, and why would Patchy show up?
    The Island only heals some people.
    1- The island chooses who to heal/ save. Everyone does not get an automatic pass. That is why some die when injured and some don’t.
    2- Ben has lost the ability to channel the islands healing powers because his goals and motives on the island have become selfish. He doesn’t want the other Others to know this, that is why he needs Locke.
    3- Locke can channel the islands powers, but he does not know yet how to do it conscientiously. Once he can figure it out, Ben’s leadership is in jeopardy.
    4- Jacob is a master at channeling these healing powers. That is why he is the great leader.
    The passangers of flight 815 were found dead.
    1- We had two unrelated sources tell the same story- Naomi and Locke’s dad.
    2- No one is looking for the real flight anymore.
    3- A split in reality/ time occured when the Losties crashed on the island.
    4- They are dead in the real world, but alive on the island. They are a sort of Doppelganger of their own self- not a clone. I.e. It’s like the old Sci-Fi movies (Star Treck) where someone is being beamed or transported and suddenly there are two of them.

  240. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”55519″]Hey lost chicka, more info please, who was Thomas???[/quote]

    Thomas was Claire’s baby’s father. From season 1? Also we do know…or so I thought that Locke did not kill that cop.

  241. txflw says:

    I have stated this before, and could be very wrong, but think it bears repeating. The writers of this show gave up the fact that Juliette has a covert mission in the first episode that she arrived with the Losties on. The reason for this is because the writers want you to know she is still an other and has an agenda.
    We cannot take that information at face value and often find out just the opposite.
    Yes, Juliette is on a mission from Ben. Yes, Juliette is carrying though with the mission in order not to raise any suspicions from Ben.
    I believe Jack has full knowledge of the plan not because he is an other but because he and Juliette are working on a plan to help the Losties.
    Why do I think that, because every character on the show is expressing distrust in Jack now just as many bloggers are. But since we can’t take them at face value (that he has changed)there must be an alternate reason and that is the one that they stay the furtherest away from. Sorry for rambling.

  242. Barb says:

    Okay, I am more persuaded that it isn’t a “purgatory” place but the whole idea of a parallel universe/wormhole doesn”t satisfy either because the island would be a world unto itself – they can’t get anywhere else. The idea of an “Atlantis” type place is more likely for the purpose of re-populating when the earth is destroyed by man’s wars. Wasn’t that the purpose of the Dharma project?
    Both Naomi and Cooper were incredulous when the Losties said they were on an island. (Really wish we knew what cooper had to say where they were. i think he thought it was hell because that’s where he deserved to go, but it isn’t really.)
    Sawyer was fantastic in his physical acting when confronting Locke in the jungle, very intense, very other-side of him.
    I think Naomi does sincerely believe she is working for Penny but Penny doesn’t know her endeavor is being manipulated by–who?
    Locke and Rousseau are an interesting pair – any compare the two philosophers in real life and how they relate to these two characters?
    Finally – I think the island is the second chance at utopia experiment and just like Eden it’s falling apart – people murder, steal, lie, etc. Utopia can’t be found.

  243. SnappyPappy says:

    [quote comment=”55474″]I’m repeating Snap’s question re: the cargo ship’s name. Anyone catch that? I may tie in if it is related to Greek mythology.
    [/quote]
    I retract my original cargo ship Q. Home from work and just reviewed the Naomi line. She said “… the ship, a freighter…”
    I thought she said “… a ship, The Praetor…”
    Pappy ain’t so Snappy – the hearing is starting to go. I knew praetor was an ancient term. I looked it up, it is Roman. Among other things, praetor means – the man who ‘goes before the others’ – so you could see how I might, well… you get it.

  244. Jen says:

    I wonder if Nikki was prego before she was buried alive?

  245. Jen says:

    So last night again proved that Sawyer has serious feelings for Kate. He wanted to spend the night with her, not just have s3x.

  246. SnappyPappy says:

    The question about the pillar that Cooper was tied to (at the Other Jamboree) when Ben told Locke to kill his dad. We saw a long shot of the column and it had a fluted-concave capital (top piece). Looking around the net it seems that the column is simple early Greek (Doric style) – think 450BC and earlier.

  247. Harpua says:

    I agree with Sawyer’s evil twin. Locke’s father is acting inconsistent with how any rational person would act. Since when has been such an evil, vindictive person? Sure he is a con man, and, yes, he has hurt Locke in the past (both emotionally and physically) but that is only because Locke was a means to an ends. Meaning, he needed the kidney and he needed Locke out of his hair (which is why he pushed him out the window). So why now is he all of a sudden so ruthless.

    In and of itself, it doesn’t make sense. Furthermore, if I, personally, go to hell, I doubt I’d be so sure of it that I would taunt my captors to cut my throat, regardless of the outcome. I would show some fear.

    This leads me to believe that either a) the writing is very inconsistent from a character development point (which I believe but I’ll refrain from writing due to the reaction I’m sure it would elicit from hardcore fans) or b) that is not actually Locke’s father, but some sort of Yemi-like reincarnation from the island.

    I’m inclined to think choice b here. Remember how vindictive the island-Yemi was to Eko after Eko confessed, while the real-Yemi would have been forgiving? I think in the same way that the island-Cooper is more scathing than the real-Cooper would have been.

    I’m curious to see where they go with this.

  248. Mark Jensen says:

    Naomi says the plane washed up on the coast of, I think it was, Bahli. While Anthony said it was on the bottom of the ocean.. It sounds like a typically planted evidence of lying, planted by the writers.

  249. Barb says:

    I thought Naomi said the plane was found in a trench off the coast of Bali

    I agree that Cooper was acting out of character – not in line with how he was in other episodes. Another theory going around that it wasn’t cooper but smokey can shapeshift to become what one wishes from the box.

  250. Lesley says:

    Jeez so busy today and no time to write. Over 200 posts! I sure hope I remember everything that has been discussed. Here are my 2 cents:

    I think Cooper was brought from Tallahassee by the Others perhaps having something to do with the huge magnet that is located there (one of only 6 like it in the world I believe – gotta do a bit more research on that). Ben is manipulating John by telling him that he conjured TMFT onto the island.

    Ben needs John to be able to manipulate the island’s powers and John is acting to acquire whatever knowledge that Ben has. Ben needed Locke to kill Cooper so he (Ben) could effectively take Cooper’s place in John’s psyche. John’s nature will not change and Ben knows that and needs to manipulate him to maintain his stangle hold over “his people”.

    Juliette has enlisted Jack in a plan to save the women. The plan somehow relies on the beachdwellers needing to believe that Juliet cannot be trusted. (Perhaps to thwart an anticipated future move by Ben.) We know that Jack can con with the best of them and I would wager he is a step ahead of Ben in that regard. Somehow Jack has figured out the next move based on Juliet’s knowledge of the set-up.

    Has it been four days since they left Othersville or is Ben planning an early arrival? I still need to do the math.

    Sayid is using Kate knowing the dynamics between everyone in the group. I predict that Sayid, Sawyer and Desmond will be part of one team. How will Sayid interpret that Patchy still lives?

    Locke will bring another dynamic working against Ben but aware of Rousseau’s plan. Jules and Jack is the dynamic I am unsure of because Juliet is similar to Locke regarding her allowing others to manipulate and clearly she is allowing Jack to call the shots right now.

    Obviously Rousseau is planning to blow-up something, the question is what. Or will she rig a series of explosions that will change the entire nature of the island as we currently know it or merely create a distraction from……

    Sorry to ramble!

  251. Bluenote says:

    For what its worth I thought Locke picked up and carried his father’s body similarly to how Christ picked up and carried the cross.

  252. Chris says:

    [quote comment=”55564″]For what its worth I thought Locke picked up and carried his father’s body similarly to how Christ picked up and carried the cross.[/quote]

    Precisely. Locke is the “Lost Messiah” who is, at present, being tempted by Ben. Locke’s first temptation was to kill his father in exchange for becomming one of “the others” and gain an opportunity to find out about the nature of the island. Locke cleverly escaped succumbing to the first temptation. Now Locke is back with the others…this is his 40 days/40 nights journey…into darkness…in which Ben will repeatedly tempt Locke to do something evil, to prove he is “ready”, as Ben phrased it. Locke will no doubt reject Ben’s temptation and…perhaps…sacrifice himself somehow so the Losties can finally escape from the island (become “saved” or “born again”)?

  253. poopypants says:

    Well I guess its fairly obvious now how Charlie dies now right?,can’t you see it shaping up? When the raid on the camp for the pregnant women goes down it will be ole Charlie heroiclly saving Clair from being kidnapped and Charlie will do this knowingly,that way his death will not be waisted,thoughts

  254. Other 218 says:

    Cooper said 815 went down in the South Pacific. Naomi said 815 was under 4 miles of water off of Bali – that’s is 4500 miles away in Eastern Indian Ocean. Apparently they are not working from the same Other/Widmore scripts.
    Also, Naomi in the tent said she parachuted 3 days ago from the helo. Kate told Jack & Juliet that Naomi bailed-out – “yesterday”. Continuity issue?

  255. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment=”55573″]Well I guess its fairly obvious now how Charlie dies now right?,can’t you see it shaping up? When the raid on the camp for the pregnant women goes down it will be ole Charlie heroiclly saving Clair from being kidnapped and Charlie will do this knowingly,that way his death will not be waisted,thoughts[/quote]
    I have been feeling since Naomi showed up that Charlie’s time is up. Desmond is focused on getting info from Naomi to get to Penny and could care less what Charlie stumble into…
    Even though I really believe Charlie is feeding these thoughts into Desmond.
    Are you with me brutha?
    See ya’ in anutha life.

  256. Abe-dizzle says:

    First post. Really diggin’ all the theories in this uber long thread! Not sure if this has been mentioned at all, but when Locke holds Cooper and Sawyer in the brig and Sawyer’s pounding on the door, Cooper comments,

    “guess I didn’t raise no fools”

    PLURAL “fools”, and then he goes on to talk just about his son Locke waiting outside (maybe to throw us off). Anyone else catch this? What’s the significance of this reveal, with those 3 particular characters in the scene?

  257. LostDamery says:

    Okay I cant leave this episode without another 2 cents in the pot:
    1) As soon as the credits rolled, I felt like maybe the losties are a cloned or regenerated version of them selves who have their memories being implanted from the Smoke Monster and before the crash they didn’t know each other but since their new beginning the only memories they have are the ones smoky has implanted containing the bodies that he has cloned or regenerated. That is why so many crossings …one author (smoky)
    2) Locke is being used by Smoky to set in motion things that will allow Smoky to leave the island and enter the real world.

  258. LostDamery says:

    [quote comment=”55577″]First post. Really diggin’ all the theories in this uber long thread! Not sure if this has been mentioned at all, but when Locke holds Cooper and Sawyer in the brig and Sawyer’s pounding on the door, Cooper comments,

    “guess I didn’t raise no fools”

    PLURAL “fools”, and then he goes on to talk just about his son Locke waiting outside (maybe to throw us off). Anyone else catch this? What’s the significance of this reveal, with those 3 particular characters in the scene?[/quote]
    Yeah me too! Family reunion..maybe

  259. Julie says:

    Okay, so am I the only one that realizes that you can’t parachute out of a helicopter?

  260. Disco says:

    [quote comment=”55425″]Something bugged me about the show last night and I just figured it out. Did Cooper have a death wish or what? First he taunts Locke as Ben is urging Locke to kill Cooper. Nobody would do that, unless they knew they weren’t going to die. Then, he does it again after he’s already told Sawyer to simmer down. Geezes, is the guy stupid?! No, stupid men aren’t con men. He keeps going after Sawyer until Sawyer snaps and kills Cooper. What’s telling me that Cooper knows that if he dies he really doesn’t, that all will be ok? His reactions were just too strange all night.[/quote]
    Forgive my nerdness, but… The Locke/Cooper face off seemed like a replay of the Luke going in to the cave in the Empire Strikes Back to face a demon of his own creation (coincidentally his father). Only by doing so and killing him could he get past his fear or issues and truly begin to grow. I think you are very right that Cooper was taunting and it was because it WAS a test. Locke had to get past his father. The “box” or the “cave” shows you what YOU fear the most or struggle with the most whether it be consciously or subconsciously.

    Bottom line, could that box create the illusion of someone? But NOT the real someone?

    Just like Ecko’s brother…who was his biggest regret in life. These apparitions have the complete look, feel and sound of their loved ones (or hated ones) but as with Ecko’s brother, we realize that it wasn’t TRULY him. Locke’s test was whether or not he would kill and he passed. Perhaps Ben is also testing Locke’s ability to manipulate other people, because he did an incredible job with James. So far, nothing seems to have happened that wasn’t exactly as Ben wanted it to be.

  261. PK KID says:

    m pretty sure that desmond and that chick that fell from the hellicopter are extreme lovas. and i think that hurlie is going to also fall in love with with that chick. so theres gonna be another love triangle (refering to the first one with Kate, Sawyer, and Jack) but then sawyer is gonna fall in love with desmond and the two love triangles will combinne and make like a lovel octigon or something crazy like that but possibly not its just a possibility…….. mmkay

  262. Tasha says:

    [quote comment=”55555″]I agree with Sawyer’s evil twin. Locke’s father is acting inconsistent with how any rational person would act. Since when has been such an evil, vindictive person? Sure he is a con man, and, yes, he has hurt Locke in the past (both emotionally and physically) but that is only because Locke was a means to an ends. Meaning, he needed the kidney and he needed Locke out of his hair (which is why he pushed him out the window). So why now is he all of a sudden so ruthless.

    In and of itself, it doesn’t make sense. Furthermore, if I, personally, go to hell, I doubt I’d be so sure of it that I would taunt my captors to cut my throat, regardless of the outcome. I would show some fear.

    This leads me to believe that either a) the writing is very inconsistent from a character development point (which I believe but I’ll refrain from writing due to the reaction I’m sure it would elicit from hardcore fans) or b) that is not actually Locke’s father, but some sort of Yemi-like reincarnation from the island.

    I’m inclined to think choice b here. Remember how vindictive the island-Yemi was to Eko after Eko confessed, while the real-Yemi would have been forgiving? I think in the same way that the island-Cooper is more scathing than the real-Cooper would have been.

    I’m curious to see where they go with this.[/quote]

    Patchy guy last week acted like he had a death wish too. Nobody seems to care if they die. Earlier I said Locke can’t successfully kill anyone. Maybe none of the Losties can???

  263. patience says:

    I don’t believe that Naomi is working for Dharma or the Others simply because:

    -The others shouldn’t know who Desmond is because he came to the island on a small sail boat and almost immediately brought to the swan by Kelvin (as far we know was the last living member of the Dharma Initiative.)

    -Also as far as we know there is no more Dharma accoring to TLE and what we have seen in the show. Kelvin hadnt had replacement come for the swan in some time werent the shifts 540 days long. Thats not even 2 years and we know Desmond was in the swan for three and who knows how long Kelvin and Radzinsky were down there before that. Also Desmond was never formally a member of the Dharma so Dharma wouldn’t have any record of him.

    -Damon and Carlton have said in podcasts that the Others didnt know about the Swan until Locke found it. So The others would not even have a file on nor know who Desmond is.

    So how would Naomi be working for Dharma or the Others but have a Picture of Desmond and Penelope, when nobody should even know who Desmond is?

  264. Choppa'Piloto says:

    [quote comment=”55581″]Okay, so am I the only one that realizes that you can’t parachute out of a helicopter?
    [/quote]
    You may be the only one. That is because you are incorrect. It has been my lifes’ work for the last 17 years. Read the catch-22 blog from a few weeks back to learn everything there is to know about parachuting from a helo.
    http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/catch-22

  265. barbarella says:

    [quote comment=”55418″]Correct me if im wrong but the others shouldnt know about Desmond right? I mean he shipwreaked on the island three years ago via little sailboat and was almost immediately brought to the swan by Kelvin. TPTB has said that the others didnt even know about the swan until Locke found it. I believe Naomi is genuine when she says she was hired by penelope to find Desmond thus not making her an other because they shouldnt even know about Desmond so how would she have the picture. any thoughts?[/quote]
    _____________

    I’m replying to an old post (by the stds of this thread), but it caught my eye. I also believe Naomi was truthful in saying Penny hired the company she works for to find Desmond. HOWEVER…. and here’s my stab at a theory… Charles Widmore is “Jacob” and he’s the puppetmaster to this whole thing. He’s stinking rich and somehow connected to Dharma. He influenced Des to take the ‘solo race around the world’ and set the course so he knew Des would maroon himself on the Island and therefore never be with Penny again. Papa Widmore has some connection to either th Losties or the Others, and doesn’t want the Island to be found. He has the resources to fake a plane crash so no one ever looks for the “real” Oceanic 815. The “company” that Penny hired to find Des is secretly on Papa Widmore’s payroll (or within his reach of influence) and therefore the heli crash was likely orchestrated to maroon the search party.

    OK, a bit of a stretch, but this is my way of saying that I don’t think Naomi is an “Other”.

  266. Barb says:

    Did anyone notice how blonde Juliet was this week?

  267. Natedizzo says:

    What was juliet talking about when she and jack were sitting on teh beach and kate comes…she says “we should tell her”…tell her what?

  268. Lesley says:

    It is plausible to think that Cooper was simply a test and not the actual physical form of Cooper the man. But does that mean it will be someone else under the burlap sack when John presents the body to Ben? Now that would be a shocker.

  269. lost chicka says:

    Locke needs approval from somebody constantly, he’s easily manipulate, & he needs to be accepted by somebody 24/7. I don’t think he’s a real good man, he’s to selfish for that. Locke knows that Ben knows all about the island. But I’m back to my No. 1 question about locke: if he know so much about the island that ben is scared of him, y does he need Ben to show him?

    I don’t know to much about Thomas. All I remember about him was that he was an artist & at first he was all for Claire bein preggers then he just left her. Oh, and I think for a while, people thought that his art was down in the hatch.

    How would des be able to know that naomi is an other? Anyways I’m convinced naomi is either dharma or other. The others would’ve gone to a lot of trouble to get her in that way, but they seem to like to make things harder than they need to be.

    The people on plane bein found dead. All they would need to do is get a part of the plane, put bodies in it that were already on there, &/or the gov. to say “they’re dead” to make it official.

    Jack is working with the others. He’s acting to weird to not be. He’s only hanging out with julliette – nobody else, he doesn’t talk to people he interrogates them, he wanted julliette to come even tho sayid said “no” – I’d think that he would take that into consideration specially considerin how many times he’s been right, he was with the others for a week plus the time kate & sawyer were there too. Oh, and when has Jack ever conned anybody?

    Cooper thought he was in hell so what did he have to loose? He also seemed to have that “I want to be hated” mentality that sawyer had in S1. Cooper said “I didn’t raise no dummies” & “what r u gonna tell me I’m your daddy?” both to sawyer? I didn’t catch the dummies, but I don’t think that sawyer’s dad is cooper. Unless it took sawyer’d dad 8 years to find out he had been conned or cooper had an 8 year con with Mary. Just doesn’t seem likely, but interesting lines.

    Charlie should definitely have a heroic death. Saving Claire, saving…

    Am I the only one who noticed that Zeke or Tom or whatever his name is was left in the room with Cooper? Did He tell cooper how to act & what to do or tell him some lie/secret that he can never die? What happened? Does Zeke know how to torture people?

  270. poopypants says:

    [quote comment=”55589″]I don’t believe that Naomi is working for Dharma or the Others simply because:

    -The others shouldn’t know who Desmond is because he came to the island on a small sail boat and almost immediately brought to the swan by Kelvin (as far we know was the last living member of the Dharma Initiative.)

    -Also as far as we know there is no more Dharma accoring to TLE and what we have seen in the show. Kelvin hadnt had replacement come for the swan in some time werent the shifts 540 days long. Thats not even 2 years and we know Desmond was in the swan for three and who knows how long Kelvin and Radzinsky were down there before that. Also Desmond was never formally a member of the Dharma so Dharma wouldn’t have any record of him.

    -Damon and Carlton have said in podcasts that the Others didnt know about the Swan until Locke found it. So The others would not even have a file on nor know who Desmond is.

    So how would Naomi be working for Dharma or the Others but have a Picture of Desmond and Penelope, when nobody should even know who Desmond is?[/quote]

    EXACTLY RIGHT
    I was thinking the exact opposite until about half an hour ago,but you put it into type perfectly,The only way she could be a “other” or helping the others is if one of the other losties gave the info needed to pull it off but I dont think Desmond told anyone about Penny(maybe he told Locke in the hatch,cant remember)
    -And the Sat-Phone seems to teched out to be from the others,Patchys comm gear looked pretty dated,that phone is some classified military communications equipment or something…bottom line is Naomi cant be an other.

  271. Jo says:

    we don’t know for sure that the videotape we saw of Juliet’s sister was real. maybe it was staged or it was really old footage. so, Richard may have never left the island and come back.

    where’s my boy Michael?!?!? and WALT??

  272. lost chicka says:

    michael & walt have a) been rescued, b) killed, or c) r still floating around in the lost bubble.

  273. pinto says:

    [quote comment=”55587″]m pretty sure that desmond and that chick that fell from the hellicopter are extreme lovas. and i think that hurlie is going to also fall in love with with that chick. so theres gonna be another love triangle (refering to the first one with Kate, Sawyer, and Jack) but then sawyer is gonna fall in love with desmond and the two love triangles will combinne and make like a lovel octigon or something crazy like that but possibly not its just a possibility…….. mmkay[/quote]

    dude, this is fuking geeenius

  274. Chris says:

    [quote comment=”55620″][quote comment=”55587″]m pretty sure that desmond and that chick that fell from the hellicopter are extreme lovas. and i think that hurlie is going to also fall in love with with that chick. so theres gonna be another love triangle (refering to the first one with Kate, Sawyer, and Jack) but then sawyer is gonna fall in love with desmond and the two love triangles will combinne and make like a lovel octigon or something crazy like that but possibly not its just a possibility…….. mmkay[/quote]

    dude, this is fuking geeenius[/quote]

    Desmond is actually a guardian angel. He foresees danger and can act to “save” lost souls like Charlie from descending into Hell. But eventually, people like Charlie who led lives of sin (drug use) will be taken by Ben or Smokey (Smokey is actually Ben…in another physical form. Desmond takes a liking to
    Naomi who is a fellow female angel that has droped out of the sky (heaven). Naomi will enter nto a monumental duel with queen of darkness Juliet (destroyer of babies).

  275. lost chicka says:

    no way, des is as much of a love sick puppy for penny as ever. he thinks he’s this close to his girl & won’t give up till the day he dies.

  276. wisewoman says:

    this may or may not have been mentioned, but why kate mentioned what was going on with Naomi to jack and julliett knowing no one else trusted them

  277. avalanche says:

    [quote comment=”55566″][quote comment=”55564″]For what its worth I thought Locke picked up and carried his father’s body similarly to how Christ picked up and carried the cross.[/quote]

    Precisely. Locke is the “Lost Messiah” who is, at present, being tempted by Ben. Locke’s first temptation was to kill his father in exchange for becomming one of “the others” and gain an opportunity to find out about the nature of the island. Locke cleverly escaped succumbing to the first temptation. Now Locke is back with the others…this is his 40 days/40 nights journey…into darkness…in which Ben will repeatedly tempt Locke to do something evil, to prove he is “ready”, as Ben phrased it. Locke will no doubt reject Ben’s temptation and…perhaps…sacrifice himself somehow so the Losties can finally escape from the island (become “saved” or “born again”)?[/quote]

    is being clever important in issues of morality. i don’t know that arranging every aspect of someone’s murder except for pulling the trigger (by which i mean the princess leia chocking jabba routine high on the heels of sawyer referencing the wookie prisoner gag.)is a passable act of morality. if locke was faultless he isn’t know. call me a left wing weirdo but the people that build bombs kill the same as people who use bombs.

  278. avalanche says:

    sorry–the quoting got weird on me. my comment starts and finishes in the last paragraph.

  279. avalanche says:

    sorry–the quoting got weird on me. my point begins and ends in the last paragraph

  280. Ali says:

    This blog is different things to different people, but I love this blog when you all try to tackle the big questions, though this show makes great soap opera. Has anyone tried to identify the primary grand theme for each season? At first it seemed to be all about numbers, math, science and philosophy. Lately it seems to be all about religion (especially the old testament, walkabouts, the path through purgatory or through bardo monsters). There must be some unifying theme, maybe “enlightenment” in a big sense of the word. The story and the island contain all the ways we could think about enlightenment- science, mythology, psychology, art, religions, literature, the enlightenment philosophers, etc. And remember one of the early basics – identifying any group as The Other(s) is the western philosophical/pyschological idea that humans needs to divide the world into good/evil and so need to see self as good and to define “the other” as evil. That division may be wrong. Seeing The Others as evil could be an illusion. The Dharma initiative seems to be good science gone bad. Each of our main characters is tangled up in a complicated web of their own good and bad actions, beginning with the actions of their own parents. I don’t think there is or will be a purely good man. But the less tangled characters seem to have disappeared, or stayed with some connection to the Others – Walt, Michael, Rose, Bernard, Cindy. Of course that would include children who need more years to become as tangled up as adults.

  281. Tucker says:

    I think the reason Ben wanted Locke to kill his father was to see the power of the island. You must remember that the Other that was electrocuted came back to life, and even made a comment that “I have already died once this week”. So Locke would see his father ressurected!

  282. Tina says:

    Lost Chicka: I think Naomi is Dharma not an Other. My guess why Mikhail came running towards the flare is because when Locke blew up the Flame Station he made it impossible for the Others to continue communications with Dharma central. The Other have been faking operations on the island because Ben and others staged an uprising against the original Dharma team because they found out something about the island or the operations that they didn’t agree with (human testing maybe?).
    After the destruction of the Flame, Dharma got suspiscious of what was actually happening on the island and thus sent Naomi and whoever else might show up. This would explain why the others left Kelvin and Desmond pushing the button for so long, keeping up appearances and they’re cover story to everyone is that they are Dharma operatives. They needed to maintain the appearance of Dharma operations just in case Dharma central sent someone to check up on them. This explains the periodic food drops and the wearing of Dharma uniforms. Widmore and Dharma are connected and that’s why Naomi claims the connection to Penny.

    Avalanche: I agree 110% with your observation of Locke’s culpability in his father’s death. He set him up to die and that makes him responsible. His hands aren’t clean anymore.

    Prepare for a major showdown between Ben/Locke/Jack and Rousseau. She’s planning something awesome and Locke is going to figure out that things aren’t as them seem.

    Stay Tuned.

  283. Tina says:

    Oh to those thinking that the Losties “can’t” kill people: what about Libby, Analucia, Goodwin, Ethan, and the Marshall?

    They were all killed by Losites and they haven’t been healed or resurrected yet. I think what’s actually dead stays that way. I.E. Christian Shepard, Cooper, and the names I listed above. Patchy was never actually confirmed to be dead, just assumed to be which is why it is plausible that he was wounded by the fence and healed by the island.

  284. April says:

    [quote comment=”55529″]Okay, The idea of an “Atlantis” type place is more likely for the purpose of re-populating when the earth is destroyed by man’s wars. Wasn’t that the purpose of the Dharma project?

    the only problem I have with the repopulating theory – is why do we not see more areas of food growth? the people would need to work on all areas not just repopulation.

  285. lost chicka says:

    Wisewoman: some people on here said that sayid told her to, or that he knew she would tell him. I think she’s just acting like a love sick high school girl & sayid only told her cause she caught him & hurley playing with the new cell phone.

    Avalanche: agree with u about locke being just as guilty for cooper’s death as sawyer. & for that matter, ben & Richard are also just as guilty for cooper’s death.

    Ali: yeah, I love it when everybody starts arguing about wether jack & julliette have a huge master plan to save the losties (stubborn me is not givin up on them bein others) or naomi or other big mysteries. Never knew about the us & the others seperation thing before. Pretty cool.

    Tina: exactly what I’ve been thinking about if Naomi is dharma. I’m absolutely torn between wether she’s an other or dharma, so I go from accusing her to be an other to being dharma in every post. I agree with u 110% about the losties not being able to kill & patchy.

  286. Negar says:

    Well if this is in a parallell universe or a hole in time and space I wonder where Michael and his son are.
    Also I feel this was the best episode in a long while.

  287. marco says:

    wait hold on, when did locke blow up the black rock or when did we get an indication that he did? im very confused!

  288. April says:

    i just had a thought – what if when locke catches up to ben and party and plops down cooper- only to find that it is NOT cooper when they take off the bag covering coop’s head?

  289. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55725″]wait hold on, when did locke blow up the black rock or when did we get an indication that he did? im very confused![/quote]

    No, he didn’t blow it up. People are assuming he WILL blow it up because he’s blown up every other viable mode of transportation off the island. He also blew up thte Flame Station because it communicated with the “real” world.

    People are speculating and I disagree because the Black Rock has a huge hole in its side and is stuck on the middle of the island way far away from water. I don’t see the point of blowing it up since it can’t reall be used to sailing.

  290. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55727″]i just had a thought – what if when locke catches up to ben and party and plops down cooper- only to find that it is NOT cooper when they take off the bag covering coop’s head?[/quote]

    If it isn’t him, then who could it be?

  291. MKS says:

    I firmly believe that the Island only heals some people. It chooses who to heal/ save- that is why some people remain injured or dead and some get better/ are healed. Ben has lost the ability to channel the Island’s healing powers because his goals and motives on the island have become selfish. He doesn’t care about Jacob’s list or doing what he should be doing. The Island is dipleased with him and he knows this, but he doesn’t want the other Others to know this, that is why he needs Locke. Although Locke can channel the powers he doesn’t know how or why they work. He will follow the Others until he figures it out, but he won’t really be part of their group. He also dosn’t see himself as a part of the Losties. He senses a greater calling or mission, but he needs to trust himself more first. I think we will find out that Locke and Ben are somehow related in the future and there will be an ultimate Cain and Able showdown- an ultimate sacrifice to the Island.

  292. April says:

    [quote comment=”55730″][quote comment=”55727″]i just had a thought – what if when locke catches up to ben and party and plops down cooper- only to find that it is NOT cooper when they take off the bag covering coop’s head?[/quote]

    If it isn’t him, then who could it be?[/quote]

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if it was his wife from the mainland

  293. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55732″][quote comment=”55730″][quote comment=”55727″]i just had a thought – what if when locke catches up to ben and party and plops down cooper- only to find that it is NOT cooper when they take off the bag covering coop’s head?[/quote]

    If it isn’t him, then who could it be?[/quote]

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if it was his wife from the mainland[/quote]
    _______________
    That would be awful! Where they even married, I thought they were engaged and she broke it off because he refused to sever ties with Cooper.

  294. Toeknee says:

    Regarding the theories that Jack is in cahoots with Juliet and they are working together….

    Maybe this is reaching a bit, but in “Catch 22”, Jack asks Kate if he can borrow the spoon she was just using. Is this how Juliet got a “sample” from Kate?

  295. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”55209″](per Ben)- they are waiting and hoping for someone “special” to arrive on the island. They may have believed it was Locke, but he couldn’t kill Cooper. Maybe they will believe Sun’s baby is the “immaculate conception”.[/quote]
    And previously they believed Walt was the someone special, but he turned out to be more than they could handle.

  296. April says:

    [quote comment=”55736″][quote comment=”55732″][quote comment=”55730″][quote comment=”55727″]i just had a thought – what if when locke catches up to ben and party and plops down cooper- only to find that it is NOT cooper when they take off the bag covering coop’s head?[/quote]

    If it isn’t him, then who could it be?[/quote]

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if it was his wife from the mainland[/quote]
    _______________
    That would be awful! Where they even married, I thought they were engaged and she broke it off because he refused to sever ties with Cooper.[/quote]
    _____________________

    actually i think you’re right, they were only engaged. i was just wondering bc of how the body was covered and the many surprises they give us.

  297. Usher says:

    I think there is a Hatch we have not seen yet. It is hidden and well guarded. Only a select few are allowed thru it. It is thee only way on/off the island. I think Dharma labeled it the “EXIT” hatch.

  298. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”55283″] Sayid is certainly more savvy than we give him credit for. What I want to know is how come Naomi had the satellite phone tucked under her blanket when she started to get tent visitors? Seems the four lugs that lugged her back to beach camp would have kept it away from her, particularly after they had to wrestle it away from Mikhail. Maybe Desmond slipped it to her after she hooked him with the “Penny sent me” lie/truth.
    [/quote]
    I assumed that was a different phone than the one Mikhail tried to steal, being that it was working and the other one wasn’t. Maybe that’s why she had two phones, one as a backup for when the first loses its power. Or, maybe the second phone was for the other person she was referring to when she said “I’m not alone”.

  299. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”55493″]
    2. I love the idea that Locke now has healing powers, and that in fact not only could he not psychologically kill his dad, but even if he did knife him he wouldn’t have died. Ben says that as soon as Locke came with the Others, Ben could start walking again. Locke is somehow healing him.
    [/quote]
    I like this theory, although I’m not quite sure how Cooper would survive having his throat slashed. Perhaps Locke’s presence causes the healing to start immediately? At any rate, maybe Ben’s plan was to have Locke slash Cooper’s throat, and if Cooper survived, then Locke is the someone special they’ve been waiting for.

    This would tie into how Mikhail recovered from his bloody encounter with the sonic fence – being that Locke was present when it happened, the healing started immediately.

    Also, this recalls the words of the young FBI agent Eddie in “Further Instructions”. When Locke was about to shoot Eddie, Eddie said, “I’m sorry, John, but you’re not going to shoot me. You’re not a murderer. You’re a good man. You’re a farmer.”

    Maybe it’s not physically possible for John to murder someone.

  300. Harpua says:

    Question: In the podcast D&C said that the brig would tie up a loose end from the pilot, and that that would prove to the audience that they had a plan from day 1 where all of this was headed. Can anyone tell me what that loose end was? Cooper being Sawyer’s dad? That’s all I can think of. Thoughts?

  301. Austin says:

    Ali, i think that there has always been discussion of a central theme to the show and it seems anytime there was some kind of consensus as to a overarching theme, we are shown otherwise by the writers as if they want us to be perpetually lost. i was bored a couple days ago and found this (http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-mythology/lost-is-locke-the-primary-hero.php#more) article on tailsection that really is brilliant in the fact that maybe fans should not try to determine the theme of the show but more the path of the show. no matter the theme of a story, there are infinite ways that the story could be told. But if the type of story is identified, we can truly understand the characters and what lies ahead for them no matter their context. i think anyone should read this essay because (1) i buy it and i’m sure anyone else would and (2) because it is a level of analysis that should be more widely utilized.

    on a completely unrelated note, are the new owners gonna post their theories in a separate post anytime soon or is that something that left with Andreas?

  302. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”55747″]Question: In the podcast D&C said that the brig would tie up a loose end from the pilot, and that that would prove to the audience that they had a plan from day 1 where all of this was headed. Can anyone tell me what that loose end was? Cooper being Sawyer’s dad? That’s all I can think of. Thoughts?[/quote]
    Which podcast is this from? I remember a week or two ago they said something like, there are no more unanswered questions from the pilot, other than Charlie’s question, “Where are we?” But I don’t remember them saying something would be answered in this episode.

  303. Lesley says:

    Without Locke’s manipulation, there is no way that Cooper would be dead. I agree with the initial comments that John is as responsible for Cooper’s death as Ben or Sawyer. (He just used a different weapon.) I wonder if the island will continue to illuminate Mr. Locke?

    At this point everyone is manipulating everyone else. It has become one huge game. Kinda like chess, poker and backgammon all blended together and we the audience are all included as well. I cannot wait to see what the next few weeks have to offer. It would be interesting to see what game the island is playing as well wouldn’t it?

    I don’t think anyone is ever purely good or bad. The show tends to present different sides of everyone. To be honest would you be friends with any of these people based on their initial stories? But now we are seeing each person’s reaction to differring life situations and we can appreciate more who they are as the story plays out. The entire show is all about perspective and it all depends on which side you are viewing fom each time you watch.

  304. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    There’s been a question as to why Cooper had such a southern accent in this episode. Is it because Sawyer was hearing the voice he wanted to hear? Like Locke was seeing who he wanted to see. What did Cooper’s voice sound like when only Locke was talking to him? And what did we hear when Roussoue (sp?) walked in to the brig and heard something going on? I think I’ll go listen again. My point being, if it’s really not Cooper but possibly smokey then whoever sees or hears it sees or hears what they want. Anybody think this is possible?

  305. Harpua says:

    http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034817,00.html

    I’m sorry – the original excerpt was: And on May 2, fans will learn the answer to one of Lost’s biggest mysteries, ”something we set up way back in season 1,” says Lindelof. Care to be more specific? ”No way.”

    So I guess it is the Sawyer’s father bit.

  306. lost chicka says:

    cooper is NOT goin to be alive again ever or turn out to be somebody else.

    once somebody is dead, they’re dead. patchy was never proven to be dead, just assumed.

    locke can physically kill, he just doesn’t want to cause he can’t mentally.

    the island changes u. if u were good (jack) when u came, u’ll wind up bad. if u were bad when u came (sawyer), u’ll wind up good.

  307. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55757″]cooper is NOT goin to be alive again ever or turn out to be somebody else.

    once somebody is dead, they’re dead. patchy was never proven to be dead, just assumed.

    locke can physically kill, he just doesn’t want to cause he can’t mentally.

    the island changes u. if u were good (jack) when u came, u’ll wind up bad. if u were bad when u came (sawyer), u’ll wind up good.[/quote]
    ________
    The island changes you? Good theory, but I wonder if its more like, the island brings to light the deepest potential within the person. Like intially Jack’s leadership abilities, Locke’s nature skills, now Sawyer’s dep seeded goodness…etc.

  308. Tucker says:

    If someone is dead, and they are always dead, then why did Jack see his father alive on the island in season 1

  309. Sawyer's Evil Twin says:

    [quote comment=”55757″]cooper is NOT goin to be alive again ever or turn out to be somebody else.

    once somebody is dead, they’re dead. patchy was never proven to be dead, just assumed.

    locke can physically kill, he just doesn’t want to cause he can’t mentally.

    the island changes u. if u were good (jack) when u came, u’ll wind up bad. if u were bad when u came (sawyer), u’ll wind up good.[/quote]

    Well, I’ll let you believe that but I can’t. You don’t know for a fact any of those things. It’s all conjecture on your part. It’s an interesting theory, but just a theory.

  310. Will says:

    [quote comment=”55749″]

    on a completely unrelated note, are the new owners gonna post their theories in a separate post anytime soon or is that something that left with Andreas?[/quote]
    Austin, thanks for your comments. We are working on finding a more stable hosting environment right now for the website, and are actually making the switch this afternoon (the software used to manage this blog is a resource hog).

    Once that switchover is made, I have a number of “theory” posts to put up on the site, one of which is my own, but some of which have come from our readers over the past few weeks. We will also be posting episodic reviews based on the commentary of each episode post on Friday moving forward.

  311. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”55766″][quote comment=”55749″]

    on a completely unrelated note, are the new owners gonna post their theories in a separate post anytime soon or is that something that left with Andreas?[/quote]
    Austin, thanks for your comments. We are working on finding a more stable hosting environment right now for the website, and are actually making the switch this afternoon (the software used to manage this blog is a resource hog).

    Once that switchover is made, I have a number of “theory” posts to put up on the site, one of which is my own, but some of which have come from our readers over the past few weeks. We will also be posting episodic reviews based on the commentary of each episode post on Friday moving forward.[/quote]
    __________________________________

    Will: That’s freaking sweet! Looking forward to it. Good luck with the hosting switch over!

  312. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55764″]If someone is dead, and they are always dead, then why did Jack see his father alive on the island in season 1[/quote]

    i thought that he was just halucinating since he hadn’t been sleeping & had postdramatic stress disorder. cause he was out in the middle of the jungle with locke & locke asked him what he would tell his patient if his patient was havin the same problem.

  313. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”55774″][quote comment=”55764″]If someone is dead, and they are always dead, then why did Jack see his father alive on the island in season 1[/quote]

    i thought that he was just halucinating since he hadn’t been sleeping & had postdramatic stress disorder. cause he was out in the middle of the jungle with locke & locke asked him what he would tell his patient if his patient was havin the same problem.[/quote]
    _________________________

    Actually I thought it was smokey/the monster, taking the form of Christian, just as it took the form of Yemi.

  314. katesFriend says:

    toeknee: great catch about the sample from kate, can you test pregnancy like that? it is still not very long since she would be pregnant, but maybe the island speeds up the pregnancy so she has hormones or something that would be in her spit

    usher: i really love the exit hatch idea, something like that will definitely happen, or at least the “old place” will tell us something (maybe 4 toed statute?)

    i really do not think Naomi is Dharma, if she was, and patchy was part of the takeover, he would have just let her die, she wouldn’t make it back to jack and the gang didn’t know what to do, why would they want Dharma to know that they took over, right?

  315. scottc13 says:

    I think another reason Locke could not kill Cooper had a lot to do with Mr Echo’s statement “your next” I think it is a reference to next to be challenged to see if he is worthy to be Ben’s replacement. Maybe Locke knows Cooper is really a smokey hallucination and will take him out if he fails his challenge.

  316. tricia says:

    I have tried to read through all the posts (might have missed this comment, sorry if i am repeating). Doesn’t anyone remember when Ben said he “was born on the island”, “been there his whole life.” I think he also said he was the only one born on the island.

  317. tricia says:

    one more thing….. in reference to Jack’s dad being dead and patchy and Cooper… Jack’s dads dead body was on the plane then came back to life when the plane crashed. The coffin was found empty and Jack saw his father in the bushes in the very early episodes. We know Patchy has been killed before and has come back to life and I bet you that Cooper starts moving inside that burlap sack. Remember the magical healing propertiees of the island? Lockes paralysis reversal? Injuries dissapearing? Etc. Etc..

  318. MKS says:

    I’m not sure where all this is coming from. I can’t remember anybody coming back to life after they have been confirmed dead. We saw Patchy go through the fence and have a seizure, but we didn’t see him get burried or had anyone do a medical check to see if he was really dead. As far as I can tell, there have been a lot of people dead, but none resurrected. Am I forgetting something? (Echo’s brother, Jack’s father, Kate’s step-father, etc. were all just illusions as far as I could tell).

  319. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”55787″]I have tried to read through all the posts (might have missed this comment, sorry if i am repeating). Doesn’t anyone remember when Ben said he “was born on the island”, “been there his whole life.” I think he also said he was the only one born on the island.[/quote]
    In “The Man from Tallahassee”, Ben tells Locke “I was born on this island. Not many of my people can say that.” So he wasn’t the only one born on the island. At the very least, Alex was, too.

  320. Shangrila says:

    Hi Everyone – I just recently discovered this blog and am so excited to read your comments and theories.

    I agree with those of you who say that Locke is just as responsible as Sawyer and/or Ben for Cooper’s death. I would even go one further and say that he’s even more responsible than Sawyer since he basically forced Sawyer’s hand in the matter. It’s worse than the actual killing which was almost a crime of passion on Sawyer’s part since Locke effectively damned Sawyer in the process.

    The thing I find hypocritical is that Ben is judging the losties based on their past actions (infidelity, murder, etc) but then he is telling Locke that if he doesn’t murder, he can’t follow along and learn their secrets. Do “good guys” encourage murder (even if the “victim” is evil, is killing ever justifiable)? I wonder if Ben’s ultimate goal was to further damn Sawyer by coercing him into committing another murder? If Sawyer is the next leader of the losties (as some of you have surmised), this would undermine him in the eyes of the island.

    Such an awesome episode!

  321. txflw says:

    I think if people had the ability to come back to life that Pickett would not have had such a strong reaction to his wife’s death after Sun shot her. He was a dedicated other and would have known it was only temporary if that had been the case.

  322. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”55742″][quote comment=”55283″] What I want to know is how come Naomi had the satellite phone tucked under her blanket when she started to get tent visitors? Seems the four lugs that lugged her back to beach camp would have kept it away from her, particularly after they had to wrestle it away from Mikhail. Maybe Desmond slipped it to her after she hooked him with the “Penny sent me” lie/truth.
    [/quote]
    I assumed that was a different phone than the one Mikhail tried to steal, being that it was working and the other one wasn’t. Maybe that’s why she had two phones, one as a backup for when the first loses its power. Or, maybe the second phone was for the other person she was referring to when she said “I’m not alone”.[/quote]
    I could be wrong (so could you) but I thought we saw Sayid outside of the tent after he got the SatPhone from Naomi – he had the back open and he was putting fresh batteries in it. (Mental note to my self at the time – hey… where’d he get fresh batteries after 3 months on a hot/humid tropical isle? The professor?).

    I assume it is the same SatPhone, because the one where she landed didn’t work either and may have needed batts too.

  323. NATE says:

    hey everyone! it’s good to be back. most people probably won’t remember me but i was around quite a bit during season two. i took a hiatus because i got a little too busy to read all of the comments and thought i’d be doing more harm then good jumping in and saying things that had already been said. we all hate that – let’s be honest.

    my favorite thing to do isn’t compose a full-blown “theory” or find out how the whole story fits together…i like picking through interesting facts or parts of the story and bringing them to light so that the REAL theorists have a little more to work with, so without further adieu i’ll get’r goin’.

    some of these WERE mentioned…i’m just trying to elaborate a little and/or add a fresh perspective:

    – as far as locke’s dad coming back to life goes, it could be an interestint twist since there’s obviously something to locke and healing on the island i.e. his own legs. the question now seems to be, is it the island ONLY, locke ONLY or locke AND the island together that gets people healed. it is interesting to note that if we liken locke to a “Jesus” type character one of the major things Jesus did was “heal all who came”. and even if he doesn’t heal EVERYONE it’s still a major theme for locke as a form of Christ. also “laying hands” is something that often times brought about healing with Jesus so with locke actually in physical contact with his father as he carries him through the woods, assuming healing can come from or through locke…his dad oughta get his fair share of “virtue”.

    – locke says he’s “on his own journey now”. i believe that he is obviously going back to find the others and present his father’s body to ben and i believe that he wants to join them – but i think he’s still WITH the losties. yes, he’s doing his own thing and yes, he’s going to try to earn a spot with the others to learn about the island by bringing pops back with him, but it’s mos’ deff’ to gather information that he and the losties can use to defeat/escape/survive/etc. i do not believe that he’s ditching the losties for good nor do i think he’s joining the others for good. he’s on his own journey meaning he’s tired of answering to other people. he’s his own master and he’s gettting the job done.

    – one thing i’d like to formulate a little better is how what’s going on RIGHT NOW with locke fits in with ben’s comments way back when he was a prisoner in the hatch saying that locke “was one of the good ones” but then got nixed from the list. remembering that, how does this new kill-your-dad test fit in? if they knew he wasn’t “a good one” anymore, why test him? and moreover why look at the watchers and say “he’s not who we thought he was”? how does this all add up?

    – speaking of the watchers of locke’s kill-your-dad test…does anyone remember a scene a few weeks ago when jack was caged up at the hydro? a ton of others came by, and if i remember right they just kinda stared. my memory is a little screwed up here but didn’t they say something like “we came to watch” or something when jack asked them what they were doing?

    – if locke can heal, that rocks…but what about all the losties who’ve died and stayed dead? don’t you think that at least ONE of them would have been revived or we’d see some type of manifestation of this BEFORE patchy got zapped? i’m still trying to work this out. it’d be cool if locke could pull this off, but why didn’t if happen before? a side note: i think patchy saying “i already died once today” was more metaphorical than fact. and if not metaphorical it was sarcastic. poking fun at the losties for thinking they killed him when they obviously didn’t.

    – as far as desmond and our copter pilot. thus far desmond genuinely seems to be seeing legit flashes of real future events. not just things that are planted in his mind by outside forces. this being the case…does it fit for copter-chick to be with the others since it was a part of desmonds vision? this doesn’t disprove her relationship to the others, it’s more of a question. i suppose he could see the future regardless of where copter-chick came from…it just seems wierd.

    – copter chick’s phone was NOT like the other’s stuff we’ve seen. period. someone mentioned that it’s been a while since sayid has been around technology but anyone involved in technology knows you can tell what’s SUPER advanced and what’s not. i do think it’s important to remember that those outside the island are living many years since the accident has happened so there’s been a lot of time for technology to improve. it just seems to me that they would have seen some evidence of this kind of tech stuff already from the others by now if copter-girl was one of them. i genuinely don’t believe she is.

    – someone said earlier that all the scriptures mentioned so far in the series have all been old testament. this isn’t true because a lot of the scriptures on eko’s stick were from the new testament, including the verse in revelation which was an important verse in an episode or two.

    – on the subject of WHERE the island is, i think it’s important to remember that there were OTHER INHABITANTS at one time. the pillar that TMFT was tied to was olllllllllld and the giant sandal foot both confirm this place has been around for a long time. more importantly it confirms people where there a long time before the others and the losties too. whether this place is a wormhole or a blackhole – who knows. what i DO know is that people, at one time, had to have had a way to get there BEFORE mack-daddy technology was around. ancient greece or rome couldn’t have teleported anyone anywhere nor flown/submarined into some secret land. the entrance has to be accessable by more traditional means AS WELL as by sub or plane.

    – sawyer’s dad was definitely up to something w/ his atitude problem. something there was not right. he was absolutely positively taking his words and tone too far to just being doing it out of “oh well i’m in hell so what i don’t care-ness”. he either knew something they didn’t about what happens to people on the island (told by ben?)or that just wasn’t him.

    – does anyone remember the producers saying that the island was a place where the characters who were metaphorically lost in real life, found themselves physically lost? and they elaborated by saying that once they metaphorically “found themselves” on the island they would physically find themselves back in real life? they did say that on record…how does this tie in with all the awesome theories so far?

    – and lastly, locke’s comments about not being able to kill his father seemed litterally true instead of just figuratively true. when he says that “i can’t!” he seems to mean that he genuinely CAN NOT kill his dad. not that he just can’t “bring himself” to, but that he absolutely can NOT do it. as in, it’s impossible to do. i’m not sure how or why, but some have hinted at the idea that it’s impossible for lake to kill someone on the island. i can’t figure out how that would make sense, but judging by his tone it absolutely seems like it is true for one reason or the the other.

    sooooo, that’s all i got right now. sorry for the SUPER long post to celebrate my return, but i had a lot i needed to get off my chest.

    to all your theorists out there, get cracking. i’ll try to chime in periodically, but only if i have something “really good”…lol.

    thanks everyone, glad to be back!

    nate.

  324. Omar Kamel says:

    Just something that went through my head when I was watching this last episode..

    If the island healed Locke’s paralysis, and if it also healed his hand after it got bitten by Cooper…

    How come it didn’t heal that scar he’s had down his right eye since he got wounded in the first episode?

    Nit picking, eh?

  325. i thought that he was just halucinating since he hadn’t been sleeping & had postdramatic stress disorder
    but know heez inda secret not tellin no one at this point. lol.

    parachootin from the heelicaper duznot geeerentee anny rezcue attmpt. its still p in the aire.

    no monkeies on the island? thats a clue.

  326. Jamal says:

    i miss seeing walt, michael and eko…WTF?!?!

  327. mikey says:

    The island is atlantis? Just a thought

  328. Scott says:

    [quote comment=”55370″]

    This episode was almost predictable. I knew what was going on from the start and not from spoilers.
    [/quote]
    I think it was almost predictable because of this community of lost devotees and talking/thinking through possibilities. I doubt the vast majority who do not read a blog like this thought it was predictable (tho I may be wrong because my perspective is like yours – I knew what was up from the start based on solid theories here weeks ago)…

  329. brutha says:

    Awesome episode … about time, I was getting tired of the “fillers.” I was worried that the writers forgot what the plot was about.

    Some thoughts:
    – Jack & Juliette are in cohoots but I believe ultimately to help the Losties … Jack has never betrayed them.

    – Similarly, Sayid & Rousseau are up to something … they too have never been wrong or traitorous.

    – Charlie is as good as dead, his role is minimal and his days are numbered. (Maybe Hugo will eat him … he’s definitely getting fatter)

    – Kate’s definitely pregnant since she keeps bangin Sawyer. Also Sun got pregnant before she got on the island … Juliette lied about the D.O.C. to keep Ben hooked and not to stir trouble with Jin & Sun.

    – Lastly, I don’t trust Naomi. She was speaking different languages and communicated something to Patchy. But at some point they have to tie Penelope back in since that’s how we left things last season. In the end, I think Desmond is going to remain a central character and key to the story.

  330. lost chicka says:

    if people can come back after being dead, the others wouldn’t care about there people dying, 1/2 the losties would be dead since the others would want revenge, & scott or steve would’ve told the losties how etan got there. ana lucia & libby would’ve told on michael. kelvin would still be alive. ecko would be back on the show.

    i’ve already said atlantis! explains how old the island is & y it ain’t on a map & that not even god knows there there (accordin to ben).

    where ARE the monkies? we need some cute little monkies to cause some mischief!

    i’m tellin u guys, zeke or tom or whoever hes name is told cooper how to act or told him he could never die. ben & locke left the room so Zeke could…? either that or cooper just wants to be hated (like another little con man we all know & luv).

    if locke is the only reason people r healed (or the island works through him or however y’all r sayin that works)how is naomi gonna be healed so fast?

    i agree with the people on here who say that Ben has abused the island’s power & that’s y he had the tumor & couldn’t walk till Locke, who doesn’t abuse the island’s power, showed up.

  331. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”55859″]Awesome episode … about time, I was getting tired of the “fillers.” I was worried that the writers forgot what the plot was about.

    Some thoughts:
    – Jack & Juliette are in cohoots but I believe ultimately to help the Losties … Jack has never betrayed them.

    – Similarly, Sayid & Rousseau are up to something … they too have never been wrong or traitorous.

    – Charlie is as good as dead, his role is minimal and his days are numbered. (Maybe Hugo will eat him … he’s definitely getting fatter)

    – Kate’s definitely pregnant since she keeps bangin Sawyer. Also Sun got pregnant before she got on the island … Juliette lied about the D.O.C. to keep Ben hooked and not to stir trouble with Jin & Sun.

    – Lastly, I don’t trust Naomi. She was speaking different languages and communicated something to Patchy. But at some point they have to tie Penelope back in since that’s how we left things last season. In the end, I think Desmond is going to remain a central character and key to the story.[/quote]

    jack has betrayed them! he worked on ben so HE could get off the island.

    i think it would be good if danielle & sayid teamed up again. locke & danielle r an interesting pair too.

    hugo eating charlie would be one hell of a way to die. lol 😀

    kate is such an idiot! not only for tellin the 2 people on the beach that NObody trusts but also for hookin up with sawyer everynight AFTER she finds out that pregnant women die & she’s 5x more likely to wind up preggers in the magic jungle.

    agree with u about sun’s doc bein fake.

    naomi is NOT working for penny. i haven’t figured out yet tho if she’s an other, dharma, or one of the other others. but no matter what she is NOT workin for penny.

  332. Charlie is as good as dead,
    saywers dead to. he finized his taks gettin the conman killed hes folsk. freckels is goin to, runnin away with chrley the hobbbit in reel life.

    thats why lock didn’t kil nobody, he wnats to stay a while and compleet the mizzion.

    whut happend to the boors and poyshunous spyders? hey chralton and danom, i wanna see some chimmps on rolla sk8tz. sumpthin funny til all dese peeps get whakkedin the finnal episude.

  333. Hurley's Dad says:

    Jack and Juliet Theory: they made an agreement to double-cross Ben.

    Another odd question from “One of Us”. When Claire got sick the first question Jack asked Charlie was “Before we got back, was she showing any symptoms at all?” That’s an odd question, isn’t it? What difference does it make when they got back? Makes me think he knew she was going to be sick, and was verifying that’s what this was.

    The “we should tell her” line from The Brig is Juliet asking Jack to let Kate in on their plan.

    Along those same lines, there is no doubt Ben allowed Locke to “steal” the recorder. Tom comes to get Locke and says “Ben wants to see you”. Ben knew Locke was coming AT THAT SPECIFIC TIME and still listened to enough of the recorder to get Locke to ask about it.

    Ben is double-crossing Juliet and Juliet/Jack are doing the same. At least, that’s what it looks like to me.

    Unlike what most people think, I don’t believe Juliet is evil. She wants to go home and is trying to do so while playing by another person’s (Ben) rules. Is there any action she has done that was not with the intent of getting herself off the island? She has her own motives, just like Locke.

    The REALLY evil person is Cooper. I think Ben wanted him dead for another reason that we will find out in a future episode. Like Desmond said in “DOC”. “You know brother, by my count, you’ve killed more of them than they’ve killed of you.”

  334. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”55452″]I don’t remember Penny and Desmond being given two copies of their snapshot. So how does Naomi have one when she arrives?[/quote]
    We see them take the picture in “Flashes before your eyes”. However, we do not have evidence that Desmond immediately went on his trip after that. Is it possible that he made a copy of the picture and sent it to her in the meantime?

  335. SnappyPappy says:

    [quote comment=”55871″]Charlie is as good as dead,
    saywers dead to. he finized his taks gettin the conman killed hes folsk. freckels is goin to, runnin away with chrley the hobbbit in reel life.

    thats why lock didn’t kil nobody, he wnats to stay a while and compleet the mizzion.

    whut happend to the boors and poyshunous spyders? hey chralton and danom, i wanna see some chimmps on rolla sk8tz. sumpthin funny til all dese peeps get whakkedin the finnal episude.
    [/quote]
    WHAT?
    dude/dudette – put down the bong and look for the spell-check key/button…
    (concentrate now – think – stop giggling – you can do it – go get yourself a snack – maybe a nap – whatever you do, do not unplug your computer at the wall and forget about the internet for a month).

  336. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”55452″]I don’t remember Penny and Desmond being given two copies of their snapshot. So how does Naomi have one when she arrives?[/quote]We see them take the picture in “Flashes before your eyes”. However, we do not have evidence that Desmond immediately went on his trip after that. Is it possible that a copy was made and sent to Penny in the meantime?

  337. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”55336″]Okay, I didn’t see this mentioned anywere. Ford asks Locke if Sawyer/Cooper really pushed him out of the window and was paralyzed. Locke stares off and replies “Not anymore”. Huge line here…”Not anymore”…I am big on people answering the question at hand. The question was did he push you AND were you paralyzed. I choose to believe that we was answering “Not anymore” to both. Eluding to the fact that now that Sawyer/Cooper is dead, things in the real world(or real time) have changed. Now, Locke was “never” paralyzed or victimized by this father.

    Ponderous man…ponderous.[/quote]

    First, LOVE the ponderous ending.

    Second, the actual verabage is:

    S: Is it true?
    L: Is what true?
    S: That he threw you out a window.
    L: (Pauses, looks away)
    S: That you are a cripple.
    L: Not anymore.

    Now, since you brought up the “big on people answering the question at hand”, in my view the pause from Locke answered the first question and his words answered the second one.

    Sawyer (Ford) didn’t say AND, and he also didn’t say “were”. Locke isn’t a cripple anymore so he answered the question at hand completely.

    I like the thinking outside the box, but this might be overthinking outside the box. 🙂

  338. JAKESNAKE says:

    since this post is very long this information may be already said but i have to post it!

    Locke to Sawyer, “this is a 19th century slave ship” – speaking of the black rock.

    *** who came from the black rock???

    – Danielle Russuo!!!!

    in the 1800’s????

    Definetly a clue about the space/time continuem…

    or danielle russou is a liar!

  339. Bugeye Ben says:

    im surprised nobody else noticed that!!

  340. Ro-zgee says:

    OK I’m probably way off on this, but when Ben had Locke up by that pedestal with Cooper trying to get him to kill him, Ben makes his speech cutting Locke down, and they show a long shot of a woman looking on from the audience. It really looks like Locke’s old girlfriend to me (Helen). Someone check this out – can it be her??

  341. – Danielle Russuo!!!!

    in the 1800’s????were r the slavves?

  342. Ro-zgee says:

    http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0411008/Ss/0411008/ABC.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Sagal,%20Katey

    Hope these links work – She’s not in the credits for the brig, but she didn’t have a speaking part. Same person?

  343. Ali says:

    [quote comment=”55755″]There’s been a question as to why Cooper had such a southern accent in this episode. Is it because Sawyer was hearing the voice he wanted to hear? Like Locke was seeing who he wanted to see. What did Cooper’s voice sound like when only Locke was talking to him? And what did we hear when Roussoue (sp?) walked in to the brig and heard something going on? I think I’ll go listen again. My point being, if it’s really not Cooper but possibly smokey then whoever sees or hears it sees or hears what they want. Anybody think this is possible?[/quote]

    – I like this idea. Maybe each character sees what they need in order to heal (this is the walkabout/hero journey archetype)? Kate sees her horse, Eco sees his brother, Locke/Sawyer/Jack see their fathers. Walt saw a polar bear after reading the comic book, maybe he needed to just be a kid again after being abandoned by his mother and reunited with his father. Walkabouts/hero journeys are healing but also very dangerous. Maybe smokey is a big ball of emotional turmoil that exited the Others when they became the weirdly unemotional lot that they are. (Anyone else notice that both Ben and Juliet have that weird smirk/smile that isn’t really smiling?) All of their emotions were extracted and boxed up. Maybe when Hurley used the numbers and opened the box, he let out smokey. Now it is fenced in the jungle, seeking people to attach to, and takes on form when it attaches itself to a person’s life story. When it first got out, it was so hungry it just snatched up the pilot and consumed him.

  344. Ali says:

    [quote comment=”55749″]Ali, i think that there has always been discussion of a central theme to the show and it seems anytime there was some kind of consensus as to a overarching theme, we are shown otherwise by the writers as if they want us to be perpetually lost. i was bored a couple days ago and found this (http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-mythology/lost-is-locke-the-primary-hero.php#more) article on tailsection that really is brilliant in the fact that maybe fans should not try to determine the theme of the show but more the path of the show. no matter the theme of a story, there are infinite ways that the story could be told. But if the type of story is identified, we can truly understand the characters and what lies ahead for them no matter their context. i think anyone should read this essay because (1) i buy it and i’m sure anyone else would and (2) because it is a level of analysis that should be more widely utilized.

    – I just read the linked essay and agree with you, the writer, and Joseph Campbell. The overarching theme is bigger than one religion and the mythological archetype is the hero on journey (a walkabout). Everyone finds/brings to the island the context that they need (religious, literary, or philosophical) to create the structure for their common narrative. Everyone can be a hero on this path, but this episode confirmed that Locke has the maturity and strength to knowingly choose the journey and face each test deliberately. I think the overarching theme is also bigger than but can include the themes from each season, so I am starting to look back to find each season’s focus. I think season 2 was the numbers, Dharma, etc. This season is Us/Others. Sorry if I am posting theory stuff in the wrong place. It is inspired by this episode, but I’ll go look for a theory thread now.

    Thanks for a great web link!

  345. lost chicka says:

    Charlie & kate are as good as gone. Sun too?

    Even IF Jack & Julliette have a plan to help the losties (which I think is part of the con) Ben won’t let it happen.

    Hurley’s Dad: agree with u 100% about locke’s answer to sawyer/james’ question. Locke has a weird way with everything so him staring off into space could be his answer.

    Did danielle ever say “I came to this island on the black rock.” ? I don’t rememeber.

  346. Hurley's Dad says:

    [quote comment=”55894″]since this post is very long this information may be already said but i have to post it!

    Locke to Sawyer, “this is a 19th century slave ship” – speaking of the black rock.

    *** who came from the black rock???

    – Danielle Russuo!!!!

    in the 1800’s????

    Definetly a clue about the space/time continuem…

    or danielle russou is a liar![/quote]
    Trying to find where Danielle says she came on the Black Rock. From season one, “Solitary” and “Numbers” she mentions that her ship wrecked and also mentions going to the Black Rock.

    She never said they were the same thing, in fact differentiates them by calling one of them “her ship” and the other “the Black Rock”.

    She also mentioned in the season 1 finale that the Black Rock is where her team got infected, not “our ship” is where her team got infected.

    My guess is we’ll see her ship during a Danielle flashback in season 4.

  347. Bobbi says:

    I wonder if it’s possibly for us to see a Cooper flashback now that he’s dead. I’d LOVE to see him in the ambulance and the paramedic he said smiling at him…would be Richard Alpert.
    Also, about his accent, it may be a big part, but I honestly only figured he didn’t use his “regular” accent during his cons. When Locke saw him, it was almost always while he was working another con. Who knows.
    Oh, and when Ben said, “we’re going to a new place, actually a really old place” I instantly thought he would be referring to the four toed statue. Afterall, we know he wasn’t talking about the 1800’s BlackRock. I hope we see the statue again soon.

  348. Harold says:

    There are a number of episode where a person or animal is present that should not be: Lock’s father, Hurley’s friend Dave, the horse, polar bear, Jack’s father, etc.

    This to me is similar to a “doppelganger.” This literally means evil twin, but in general refers to someones double which may be similar to the person but is not the person. Sometimes this doppelganger can be seen only by the involved person but sometimes by others as well. Interestingly, the explanation for this phenomenon is that the doppelganger may be from a different time or a parallel universe.

    Something to think about…

  349. lost chicka says:

    That whole evil twin idea, smokey turning into different forms, or clones are just to far out there for me, so here’s my thoughts on them.

    Cooper: he could’ve used a different accent for cons like Bobbie said. or it could’ve been what sawyer wanted to hear in his voice like somebody else said (sometimes u think there’s more new york in an accent then there really is or more of a southern twang then there really is.). I think it really was Cooper.

    Polar Bears: they were the others. remebmer Tom told Sawyer it only took the polar bears 3 hours to get the fish biscut.

    Dr. Shepard/Jack’s Dad: his body was fell out durring the crash. jack saw his dad cause he hadn’t slept in days & he was sufferin post tramatic stress disorder.

    The Horse: Kate AND Sawyer BOTH saw it. So it was for real. Now i’m thinking it was Patchy’s horse.

    Dave: no explanation for that one. Hurley is either crazy or has one hell of an imagination.

  350. SnappyPappy says:

    [quote comment=”56024″]

    Cooper: he could’ve used a different accent for cons like Bobbie said. or it could’ve been what sawyer wanted to hear in his voice like somebody else said (sometimes u think there’s more new york in an accent then there really is or more of a southern twang then there really is.). I think it really was Cooper.

    Polar Bears: they were the others. remebmer Tom told Sawyer it only took the polar bears 3 hours to get the fish biscut.

    [/quote]
    … noted that when he is with Locke in earlier off-island backstory scenes, he has no southern accent. when he is in the brig with Sawyer, he has a notable southern accent. some say continuity error – i say he is a con man thru-n-thru – once he heard sawyers’ accent and the Jasper, Alabama reference – the con man used a standard tactic con men use – sound/speak like your victim – a subtle bond – a southern gent is likely to trust you if you sound more like a southern gent than a yankee carpetbagger.
    … trivia. ben quipped to locke that they have giant hamsters underground that power the electricity. hamster aficionados will tell you that one of the favorite breeds of hamsters are the “polar bear hamster”.

  351. NATE says:

    okay…here’s a mini-theory. help me develop/tear this apart:

    correct me if i’m wrong, but i believe the only two losties on the island who have been called “special” were walt and locke.

    we know the others captured walt, and then let him go saying that he was just too much – more than they could handle.

    now we’re on to locke. someone earlier mentioned the comic book incident. walt was reading about polar bears and shortly thereafter a polar bear manifested itself in the jungle.

    what i’m trying to figure out is if “the box” is really some type of metaphor for either the PEOPLE who are “special” or what they can do that IS special?

    let me elaborate on this real fast. i’m wondering if what MAKES someone special to the others (i.e. walt and locke) is that they can manifest in reality what they imagine or desire in the mind/heart. that they can create the physical out of their own will.

    this could explain why walt was too much. he was manifesting all kinds of stuff his entire life, even before the island. it would make sense that due to his age, and the amount of power he had even in the real world…it was going to prove too hard to reign him in and control him for the other’s purposes.

    now ben has moved on to locke and he said something i thought was VERY strange a few episodes back while speaking about “the box”. he tells locke something along the lines of “what if…….(yadda)……whatever you wanted…….(yadda)…..and every time you opened that box, there would be that thing”

    notice that ben keeps saying “you”. whatever YOU want, etc.

    what if the others need someone to use the metaphorical box, because they can’t use it themselves. it takes someone special to use OR to use BETTER?

    another answer to one of my previous questions may be answered here. that question was, what about ben telling locke WAS “one of the good ones” and then telling him he was OFF the list. now, he’s back with an opporunity to prove himself? and then fails. and then ben tells the crowd “he’s not who we thought he was”.

    could it be that ben didn’t need locke when he told him that because he had walt? and now that walt ended up being too much, locke is needed once again.

    this theory is leading me to believe that ben STILL IS manipulating locke to think he’s on his own journey, but really he’s on ben’s journey. right back to the others.

    ben needs locke to unlock the true potential of the box…whatever that is.

    build on this/tear it apart. i’m ready!

    thanks guys!

  352. ILOVESAWYER says:

    I am Sawyer’s biggest fan and I really love him with a burning passion. Who thinks he will be killed off at the end of season 3

  353. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”56028″][quote comment=”56024″]

    Cooper: he could’ve used a different accent for cons like Bobbie said. or it could’ve been what sawyer wanted to hear in his voice like somebody else said (sometimes u think there’s more new york in an accent then there really is or more of a southern twang then there really is.). I think it really was Cooper.

    Polar Bears: they were the others. remebmer Tom told Sawyer it only took the polar bears 3 hours to get the fish biscut.

    [/quote]
    … noted that when he is with Locke in earlier off-island backstory scenes, he has no southern accent. when he is in the brig with Sawyer, he has a notable southern accent. some say continuity error – i say he is a con man thru-n-thru – once he heard sawyers’ accent and the Jasper, Alabama reference – the con man used a standard tactic con men use – sound/speak like your victim – a subtle bond – a southern gent is likely to trust you if you sound more like a southern gent than a yankee carpetbagger.
    … trivia. ben quipped to locke that they have giant hamsters underground that power the electricity. hamster aficionados will tell you that one of the favorite breeds of hamsters are the “polar bear hamster”.[/quote]

    exactly what i was tryin to say. i thought the giant hamsters was bein sarcastic.

    the others had walt when ben told locke that he’s “one of the good ones” & “i came here for u” so it wasn’t supposed to be locke first, but then they got walt but then he proved to be to much, so they went back to locke. the jack, kate, & sawyer list was the “how to make a baby on the island” list not the “who r we gonna use to open the box” list.

  354. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”56072″]I am Sawyer’s biggest fan and I really love him with a burning passion. Who thinks he will be killed off at the end of season 3[/quote]

    Sawyer fan too (but i’m the bigger fan ;D). I REEALLY don’t want him to get killed off. Him & Sayid can NOT get killed off. Please take anyone else, just don’t take my guys!

  355. I am Sawyer’s biggest fan and I really love him with a burning passion. Who
    saywer is texas toast
    he frinisehed what hee was supppozed to do kill cooper
    googbye

  356. Poopypants says:

    [quote comment=”55730″][quote comment=”55727″]i just had a thought – what if when locke catches up to ben and party and plops down cooper- only to find that it is NOT cooper when they take off the bag covering coop’s head?[/quote]

    If it isn’t him, then who could it be?[/quote]

    Its jack,the real Jack,and the “Jack” at the beach is the “BadTwin”.

  357. Poopypants says:

    So [quote comment=”55894″]since this post is very long this information may be already said but i have to post it!

    Locke to Sawyer, “this is a 19th century slave ship” – speaking of the black rock.

    *** who came from the black rock???

    – Danielle Russuo!!!!

    in the 1800’s????

    Definetly a clue about the space/time continuem…

    or danielle russou is a liar![/quote]
    read this post and it

    Danielle Rousseau is a mysterious woman, presumed (but not proved) to be of French origin, who crashed on the Island with a science team in the year 1988, 16 years prior to meeting the survivors. Rousseau is the key to this whole thing,her story has several holes,like where bodies of her 6 team members are,she says she has never seen an other till she trapped Ben(and she knew he was an other right away,how?)but her actions say she does otherwise,like kidnapping Sayid,trappingBen,setting up boobytraps ect,shes hiding alot.It wouldn’t supprise me if she turns out to be some kind of lost version of Verbal Kint,maybe she’s “him”,maybe she’s “jacob”.Im telling you man,watch out for
    Rousseau,she’s trixy.

  358. Poopypants says:

    Danielle Rousseau man,thats the flashback I wana see,lol,that like at least a two hour episode,her ship ran aground,members of the team contracted the sickness from the Others,she killed her husband,she killed the four other members of her team,shes been to the radio tower and changed its transmissions,shes been on the island for 17 years(not3 months like the losties,shes had her child stolen by the others,she calls “smokie” the “security system”.Hell shes been there longer that Mikhail,im telling you man Danielle Rousseau is the greatest story not yet told

  359. Will says:

    [quote comment=”56040″]okay…here’s a mini-theory. help me develop/tear this apart:

    this theory is leading me to believe that ben STILL IS manipulating locke to think he’s on his own journey, but really he’s on ben’s journey. right back to the others.

    ben needs locke to unlock the true potential of the box…whatever that is.

    build on this/tear it apart. i’m ready!

    thanks guys![/quote]
    Nate, I totally agree with you about the manipulation of Locke. If you look at Locke’s life, it has been a series of one manipulation after another, the guy should have some serious trust issues by now.

    I am still not totally sold that Locke is truly “special”, but that his wantoness to be so has left him totally open to further manipulation by Ben and Alpert, that will ultimately lead to his demise or that of his former Lost pals.

  360. ILOVESAWYER says:

    Hi LostChicka What makes you think that you are Sawyer’s biggest fan and I also believe they wont kill him off. Also, Kate needs to come to her senses and marry him before its too late. What do you think.

  361. ILOVESAWYER says:

    Dear LOSTCHICKA or anyone else,
    What makes you think you are Sayer’s #1 FAN? Also, I don’t want him to be killed off either but Freckles needs to come to her senses and marry him.

  362. Bernard says:

    [quote comment=”55894″]since this post is very long this information may be already said but i have to post it!

    Locke to Sawyer, “this is a 19th century slave ship” – speaking of the black rock.

    *** who came from the black rock???

    – Danielle Russuo!!!!

    in the 1800’s????

    Definetly a clue about the space/time continuem…

    or danielle russou is a liar![/quote]

    Since Daniel Rousseau used the radio tower to change the message, my guess is that she was definitely born in the 20th century.

  363. txflw says:

    [quote comment=”56199″][quote comment=”55894″]since this post is very long this information may be already said but i have to post it!

    Locke to Sawyer, “this is a 19th century slave ship” – speaking of the black rock.

    *** who came from the black rock???

    – Danielle Russuo!!!!

    in the 1800’s????

    Definetly a clue about the space/time continuem…

    or danielle russou is a liar![/quote]

    Since Daniel Rousseau used the radio tower to change the message, my guess is that she was definitely born in the 20th century.[/quote]
    _______________________________________________

    According to lostpedia Rousseau came to the island in 1988 by Sayids estimate or 1985 by their calculations on the transmission.

  364. roses12 says:

    My question: what on earth does Locke want that makes him carry his dead father on his back to Ben? Ben is horrible. Ben is pathetic. Locke is good. Why would he give Ben what he wants (dead body of Locke’s father) when he can’t prove he killed him? Does he really need Ben’s approval still????

    Hi second time post, love so many theories. My two cents is: I agree Locke is following the island not taking sides, however he will bring the body to Ben because he is searching for a sense of belonging. In all his back stories this appears to be a central theme. He seeks his fathers approval, belonging in the drug camp, his girlfriend and didn’t he live in a home with no sense of identity.

    By the way big apologies to Ann has we have the same name and i posted under her by accident, I have changed my name now. I do try to read all the posts first but its taking me 2.5hrs to get this far (233).

    Q: where is jakes dad’s body?
    Q: how could the others get so many bodies to fake the crash site?
    Q: why is the air stewdaress so at one with being an other, why doesnt she want to go home?
    Q: why didn’t jack ask her?
    Q: where did Alex’s boyfriend disappear to?

    loads more but i’m sure you’ll answer them for me…..

  365. PandaOlympics says:

    Long time Lost Blog fan, never got the chance to comment because I could never finish all 300+ comments. I’m up to Comment 146 but I can’t read anymore and I’m bursting here so I’m sorry if there’s going to be some duplicity on my comments with other posters:

    On Karuzo- Comment 45:
    You might be on to something there. (To support Adriennez- comment 113) James is actually one of Jesus’ brothers (one of Mary’s children after Jesus’ immaculate conception). Later after Jesus’ ascension, he was one of the apostles who spread the Gospel and he wrote the Book of James in the New Testament.

    On Jack & Kate:
    I’m really hating Jack and Kate right know. Jack for still thinking that he’s the leader when obviously he’s not acting in the best interests of the group. And Kate for being so love-sickeningly stupid.

    On Naomi and the “Desmond rescue”:
    I think Naomi was sent by Penny to look for Desmond. Otherwise, she would not have that picture of Penny and Des with her. (Desmond’s my favorite character.)

    I think the island is uncharted and with electromagnetic and mystical qualities not unlike the Bermuda Triangle (for the mystical part). Somehow, planes/helicopters get sucked up when they reach a certain distance. Hopefully Naomi’s crew will realize this and that the only way in and out the island is via a submarine, where the island’s electromagnetic waves cannot affect the equipment.

    Agree with DocH (Comment 85) about producers teasing us about the purgatory theories.

    Question: Does Locke have special healing powers that emanate from him? Ben mentioned that he can feel his legs since he’s been with Locke.

    In my opinion, the Others’ company (Mittelos Bioscience or whatever) was responsible for covering up the plane crash (no survivors). Does that mean that no one from the survivors can ever get out of the island, including Cindy and the kids? What are other survivors doing with the Others? They seemed like refugees, camping from one place to another. In line with all that Biblical connotations, maybe next they’ll say that they’re journeying to the “Promised Land”.

    Can’t wait for the finale!!!

  366. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”56230″]My question: what on earth does Locke want that makes him carry his dead father on his back to Ben? Ben is horrible. Ben is pathetic. Locke is good. Why would he give Ben what he wants (dead body of Locke’s father) when he can’t prove he killed him? Does he really need Ben’s approval still????

    Hi second time post, love so many theories. My two cents is: I agree Locke is following the island not taking sides, however he will bring the body to Ben because he is searching for a sense of belonging. In all his back stories this appears to be a central theme. He seeks his fathers approval, belonging in the drug camp, his girlfriend and didn’t he live in a home with no sense of identity.

    By the way big apologies to Ann has we have the same name and i posted under her by accident, I have changed my name now. I do try to read all the posts first but its taking me 2.5hrs to get this far (233).

    Q: where is jakes dad’s body?
    Q: how could the others get so many bodies to fake the crash site?
    Q: why is the air stewdaress so at one with being an other, why doesnt she want to go home?
    Q: why didn’t jack ask her?
    Q: where did Alex’s boyfriend disappear to?

    loads more but i’m sure you’ll answer them for me…..[/quote]
    _______________
    Seeing as how I think the Others are Dharma operatives gone bad and various people they’ve picked up and converted along the way, I don’t believe the Others (Ben an the crew) are the ones responsible for faking the crash of flight 815 (if this is indeed what happened). I believe Dharma Central, Paik,and Widmore in cohoots faked the crash. They have the money, resources and manpower to do it to cover up their connection to the island.

  367. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”55879″][quote comment=”55336″]Okay, I didn’t see this mentioned anywere. Ford asks Locke if Sawyer/Cooper really pushed him out of the window and was paralyzed. Locke stares off and replies “Not anymore”. Huge line here…”Not anymore”…I am big on people answering the question at hand. The question was did he push you AND were you paralyzed. I choose to believe that we was answering “Not anymore” to both. Eluding to the fact that now that Sawyer/Cooper is dead, things in the real world(or real time) have changed. Now, Locke was “never” paralyzed or victimized by this father.

    Ponderous man…ponderous.[/quote]

    First, LOVE the ponderous ending.

    Second, the actual verabage is:

    S: Is it true?
    L: Is what true?
    S: That he threw you out a window.
    L: (Pauses, looks away)
    S: That you are a cripple.
    L: Not anymore.

    Now, since you brought up the “big on people answering the question at hand”, in my view the pause from Locke answered the first question and his words answered the second one.

    Sawyer (Ford) didn’t say AND, and he also didn’t say “were”. Locke isn’t a cripple anymore so he answered the question at hand completely.

    I like the thinking outside the box, but this might be overthinking outside the box. :)[/quote]
    Guilty as charged…

  368. sayidrocks15 says:

    [quote comment=”56040″]okay…here’s a mini-theory. help me develop/tear this apart:

    correct me if i’m wrong, but i believe the only two losties on the island who have been called “special” were walt and locke.

    we know the others captured walt, and then let him go saying that he was just too much – more than they could handle.

    now we’re on to locke. someone earlier mentioned the comic book incident. walt was reading about polar bears and shortly thereafter a polar bear manifested itself in the jungle.

    what i’m trying to figure out is if “the box” is really some type of metaphor for either the PEOPLE who are “special” or what they can do that IS special?

    let me elaborate on this real fast. i’m wondering if what MAKES someone special to the others (i.e. walt and locke) is that they can manifest in reality what they imagine or desire in the mind/heart. that they can create the physical out of their own will.

    this could explain why walt was too much. he was manifesting all kinds of stuff his entire life, even before the island. it would make sense that due to his age, and the amount of power he had even in the real world…it was going to prove too hard to reign him in and control him for the other’s purposes.

    now ben has moved on to locke and he said something i thought was VERY strange a few episodes back while speaking about “the box”. he tells locke something along the lines of “what if…….(yadda)……whatever you wanted…….(yadda)…..and every time you opened that box, there would be that thing”

    notice that ben keeps saying “you”. whatever YOU want, etc.

    what if the others need someone to use the metaphorical box, because they can’t use it themselves. it takes someone special to use OR to use BETTER?

    another answer to one of my previous questions may be answered here. that question was, what about ben telling locke WAS “one of the good ones” and then telling him he was OFF the list. now, he’s back with an opporunity to prove himself? and then fails. and then ben tells the crowd “he’s not who we thought he was”.

    could it be that ben didn’t need locke when he told him that because he had walt? and now that walt ended up being too much, locke is needed once again.

    this theory is leading me to believe that ben STILL IS manipulating locke to think he’s on his own journey, but really he’s on ben’s journey. right back to the others.

    ben needs locke to unlock the true potential of the box…whatever that is.

    build on this/tear it apart. i’m ready!

    thanks guys![/quote]

    i think ben said the box was just a metaphor…

  369. sayidrocks15 says:

    [quote comment=”55478″]Just a theory….

    I think this could all be part of a govt. conspiracy, Similar to “area 51”. Maybe years ago they stumbled on to this mysterious island and its strange powers and have been experimenting ever since. Who else would have the power to do all the things that have been going on?? faking a plane crash, having extensive files on each person on the plane, food drops, bringing certain people to and from the island, etc. The U.S. govt. is the most powerful force in the world and nothing that has taken place on the island is beyond their reach.

    I think the producers are throwing all these clues at us because they dont want us to think of the most simplistic solutions…think about it, if the losties and others are infact “dead” or in “purgatory”, why do they need food? the last i heard, dead people dont eat, and how are they allowed to procreate? and how come people die? how can you die if your already dead? little things like this disprove the theories of “hell” and “Purgatory”.

    As far as the island being a wormhole or what ever u think it is….I think its highly improbable. In order to travel from one time period to another you would need some sort of a time machine right? and then Ben would control that time machine right? If that were the case, why are there so many casualties when it comes to pregnancy? After you lose the first mother, why not go back in time and try something different to save her life? The last i heard, submarines dont travel through time.

    aight, those are my theories, now heres what i think about the last ep.

    I think it was one of the best of the season, we got to see a side of sawyer that we havent seen yet and a side of Locke that we always knew exsisted…we knew from the first season that Locke was easily manipulated and ultimatly just wanted to have his “father” in his life. Locke is not a leader and i think thats why Ben told him he wasnt ready, in the end i think Locke will be the leader the others but not by choice. As far as Jack is concerned…i really dont know…since he has come back to the losties camp, he has distanced himself from his former crew…he is manipulating someone, im just not sure if its the others or the losties. Naomi i think is the real deal, im not sure why but i believe her story, now i dont think she will get anyone off the island, but i do think she was there to help…eventually her crew will think she is dead and leave…

    Sorry this is so long and for any mis-spellings[/quote]
    I like the government theory….Naomi said they sent little robots to survey the crash…which means no human witnesses…couldn’t the government (or some other powerful group)stage the wreckage to make it look like 815?

  370. Hammer says:

    sayidrocks15 – Sure, they faked the moon landing. 🙂

  371. Eric says:

    Don’t critique the show that often. But a plane crash on the bottom of a deep trench with “all the bodies” still inside???

    Incredibly unlikely that “all” the bodies would be there.

    -The violence of the crash
    -The currents and drift of material as the plane sinks
    -The fish in the Pacific

    Who would believe this in real life? Weak writing…

  372. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”56329″]Don’t critique the show that often. But a plane crash on the bottom of a deep trench with “all the bodies” still inside???

    Incredibly unlikely that “all” the bodies would be there.

    -The violence of the crash
    -The currents and drift of material as the plane sinks
    -The fish in the Pacific

    Who would believe this in real life? Weak writing…[/quote]

    I think that is how the media would have reported it. It would have been “Flight 815 Wreckage Found with No Survivors”, or “Everyone on Board Flight 815 Dead”. The logical conclusion would be that if you find the wreckage of the plane, you send down robots that show dead bodies, there are no survivors to be found floating anywhere within a giveb radius, etc. the government or whoever will make the logical assumption and announcement that all onboard were killed.

  373. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”56329″]Don’t critique the show that often. But a plane crash on the bottom of a deep trench with “all the bodies” still inside???

    Incredibly unlikely that “all” the bodies would be there.

    -The violence of the crash
    -The currents and drift of material as the plane sinks
    -The fish in the Pacific

    Who would believe this in real life? Weak writing…[/quote]
    IMO is not weak writing (at least not yet) because we don’t yet know if Naomi was lying or (and I doubt this) whether they are all dead in the outside world.

  374. Harpua says:

    on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?

  375. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”56347″]on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?[/quote]
    At least there are black characters, I haven’t seen one Italian-German mixed American on the show yet. 😉

  376. lost chicka says:

    ILOVESAWYER: am I gonna have to change my name to ILOVESAWYERMORETHANYOU?
    u’r right, freckles/kate needs to come to her senses and pick sawyer (before I do).

    Will: right there with u. locke should have lots of trust issues by now, I’m not totally concinved about him bein “special”, & he’s about to get manipulated again by Ben/Richard. Sometimes Locke is such an idiot, but he’s still one of the coolest characters.

    Poopypants: if it was jack, don’t u think cooper would’ve acted 100 times differently than the way he did? I think it really was cooper. If it wasn’t, well I guess we’ll find out Wednesday.

    roses12: I’m thinking that jack’s dad’s body fell out of the coffin or the polar bear got hungry. Idk, those r just guesses. There is something really big goin on the island that is y the others don’t wanna go home (some of em at least), OR Cyndi (I think htat’s the stewardesses name) is brain washed or being black mailed. I think that karl was killed by the Others, is in the cages again (or some other type of prison – is that where they‘re goin?) or him & alex escaped. Maybe found danielle or y danielle needs the explosives.

    Danielle Russo is the biggest mystery on the island. The more we get to know her, the more confused I get about her. She knows to much to not be an other, but then again 1 6 years on the island & u might know a thing or two about it. She knows a lot about the others for never seeing one, but could she mean that she’s never seen all the others or something like that? Idk, she’s just really confusing & one of the best people on the show.

    Locke was a foster kid & probably got moved around a lot. He never stayed long enough to get approval or get accepted by anybody, so now he really needs it. He’s easy to manipulate & needs accepted & approval from everybody.

    THere was a cover up either by the government or Jacob or company that controls/owns the island (dharma? mittelos?). As has already been said the media would say that “there were no survivors” or “all passengers on the plane are dead”. If Naomi is from the future, i really don’t think she would remember something like a plane crashes numbers from 10 years ago or however long ago.

  377. sayidrocks15 says:

    [quote comment=”56347″]on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?[/quote]
    I read somewhere that eko asked to be written off the show, so I guess that one isn’t their fault….I do wish they would bring back Michael and Walt….there are so many unanswered questions about Walt!

  378. sayidrocks15 says:

    [quote comment=”56316″]sayidrocks15 – Sure, they faked the moon landing. :)[/quote]
    well…..there were human witnesses on the moon…(but now that you mention it…wasn’t that about the time they started making human- like ROBOTS?????????) ha.

  379. katesFriend says:

    i think the old place is another hatch under the four toed statue

    it will save the others, be the exit, etc
    also walt was not too much for the others to handle, they said that they got more than they bargained for

    thos phrase usually means good things, like a good deal

    maybe walt gave the ohters some greater understanding of the island, so they knew they needed locke

  380. patience says:

    Lost character name anagrams have always been pretty cool like Ethan Rom – Other Man and Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward – Sawyer the con man, a poor dad. So heres another cool one, Naomi Dorrit – Raid Monitor. Any thoughts?

    I made some posts in the past about her seeming pretty genuine but I think I will be retracting those after the next few episodes.

  381. Wingman says:

    Rick…

    That explanation kicked a$$!

  382. Wingman says:

    [quote comment=”55477″]Sorry if it’s already been suggested (at work and can’t read all 200 posts…), but I have a brief theory of the dynamic of the individuals on the island. The island itself is what is, some as of yet to be explained natural phenomenon being manipulated by one or more groups of people. But that doesn’t quite explain the social dynamic.

    Ben is a lame duck leader and he knows it. He’s leading due to the absence of the true leader. Ben, learning of the secret of the island, disagreed with the Dharma initiative’s utiliziation of it. For some as of yet unknown selfish reason, he created the faction of “Others” and drove the wedge in the organization. Surely, the reasoning for the divide as invented by Ben was some great moral atrocity. He claimed to be doing it for the greater good. In reality, it was purely selfish, or at least your classic woefully misguided and deluded evil villain who saves the world by destroying it.

    Thusly, Ben is playing the role of the reluctant leader. He doesn’t “want” to be in charge, but he does it because he “has to”. (much like Jack is with the LOSTies). However, Ben’s Nietzsche complex is really the story. He uses the reluctant & benevolent leader facade to hide his true goals. However, his act is wearing thin. Luckily, he’s the only game in town… Until the crash of flight 815.

    So, where does Locke fit in? There’s some “prophecy” about a new leader taking over. This isn’t religious in nature mind you, but perhaps Ben himself had created the prophecy of their savior’s arrival as a means of control. Surely there would be things, predictions, etc. which would prove that the new guy was indeed the “savior”. Well, fate has played a cruel trick on Ben and his lie is actually true. Locke IS that guy. However, Locke has no clue about the prophecy and doesn’t realize his role. Ben does.

    Given that the Others all knew about Locke, Ben couldn’t simply deny the situation. Rather, he had to control and manipulate it to protect his power. Rather than letting fate take it’s course and having Locke fulfill the prophecy, Ben set Locke up to fail in a fake playing-out of the prophetic event(s). The religious symbolism of Sawyer chained up was part of the reason I think this could be the case. By having all the Others see Ben “fail” to fulfill the prophecy, Ben would be able maintain the reluctant leader illusion; “He’s not who WE thought he was” Ben said with fake dejection. Ben plays himself off as just one of the crew, subject to a fate not yet arrived.

    Unfortunately for Ben, fate always finds a way.

    Locke is indeed on his own mission now. Locke is THE key to the series. Jack and Ben are counterparts, both struggling to lead their flocks, with their own set of intentions at stake. However, that is just the context for Locke’s discovery of the nature of the island and it’s eventual discovery by (or perhaps compete removal or re-hiding from) the rest of the world.[/quote]

    Rick…

    That explanation kicked a$$!

  383. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”56409″]i think the old place is another hatch under the four toed statue

    it will save the others, be the exit, etc
    also walt was not too much for the others to handle, they said that they got more than they bargained for

    thos phrase usually means good things, like a good deal

    maybe walt gave the ohters some greater understanding of the island, so they knew they needed locke[/quote]

    if i got this right, when ben came for locke they already had walt. so they needed locke before or right when they got walt. but then they decided to lay off for a while until they got michael to do their dirty work & a good con planned out. i got that right didn’t i? do i need to rewatch some episodes?

  384. lost chicka says:

    ben seems to be the on-island godfather so y did they send him to go get locke?

  385. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”56350″][quote comment=”56347″]on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?[/quote]
    At least there are black characters, I haven’t seen one Italian-German mixed American on the show yet. ;)[/quote]

    yeah, & i haven’t seen any bi-racial families either.

  386. Bob says:

    Did anyone notice when the other was talking to Locke about how Ben knew he would not kill his father. The other continued to give Locke a file on Sawyer. Why did the other trust Locke to have Sawyer kill his father for him? I looks like the others are getting tired of Ben or have less trust in him. Is Ben going to get over thrown? Any thoughts?

  387. dave says:

    [quote comment=”55216″]

    Juliette says “I hate you” to the recorder–I think she legitamately does. She’s still playing along with Ben’s wishes because she still desperately wants off the island. She also said to Kate, “we should tell her” and Jack says “not yet”–this is either the fact that Kate is pregnant, or that those two have some sort of plan up their sleeves for when the Others come back for the women, i.e. Juliette has told Jack she’s a plant and they’re going to con the Others. We’ll see. Or Jack’s just being duped.
    [/quote]

    I dont think Jack is being duped….

    • I think they are working together against the Others… If Juliette knows about the Others plan to storm the beach, Jack and her are definately going to try and ruin their plans. For some reason though they feel as though they cant tell the losties yet.

    Does Juliette even know if Kate is pregnant? They suspect so but she hasn’t yet run any tests yet has she?

  388. redbites says:

    I love lost, and the posts have been excellent. But there are so many to read and reason with (so apologies for treading on old ground here).

    How did Richard Alpert get to the island?

    Alpert has a mission. What is it?

    How did he know what documentation to bring about Cooper/Sawyer/Locke?

    Is the Island in an alternate reality?

    If it is, how come people seem to come and go at will?

    Are we playing out some biblical passage? Good versus evil?

    As for Ben and the other’s…. Why are they going so far in-land? Where are they going to?

    The ultra high tech sat-phone that Sayid used definitely showed a signal. No sat channels could be established…. so was the reception a GSM signal? Push to talk signal (two-way radio)?

    Why did Locke carry Cooper’s body? To where? Cooper is a big Man weighing 18 stone (252lb)? So how is he going to catch the others up traversing that terrain?

  389. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”56535″]I love lost, and the posts have been excellent. But there are so many to read and reason with (so apologies for treading on old ground here).

    How did Richard Alpert get to the island?

    Alpert has a mission. What is it?

    How did he know what documentation to bring about Cooper/Sawyer/Locke?

    Is the Island in an alternate reality?

    If it is, how come people seem to come and go at will?

    Are we playing out some biblical passage? Good versus evil?

    As for Ben and the other’s…. Why are they going so far in-land? Where are they going to?

    The ultra high tech sat-phone that Sayid used definitely showed a signal. No sat channels could be established…. so was the reception a GSM signal? Push to talk signal (two-way radio)?

    Why did Locke carry Cooper’s body? To where? Cooper is a big Man weighing 18 stone (252lb)? So how is he going to catch the others up traversing that terrain?[/quote]
    I can only answer the last one, Locke can catch up because the others are carrying a crap load of stuff Ben felt he needed for his trip (book shelves, books, etc.) and he is limping behind. Locke can catch up.

  390. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”56451″]ben seems to be the on-island godfather so y did they send him to go get locke?[/quote]

    Because ben is the master manipulator. No one else could have messed with the Losties’ heads like he did. But you’re right, he did take a huge risk.

  391. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”56453″][quote comment=”56350″][quote comment=”56347″]on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?[/quote]
    At least there are black characters, I haven’t seen one Italian-German mixed American on the show yet. ;)[/quote]

    yeah, & i haven’t seen any bi-racial families either.[/quote]

    Rose and Bernard are a biracial family. Of course, they seem to have disappeared too — WHERE ARE THEY?

  392. Juliapilot says:

    I originally posted this in reaction to a comment on the “Podcast” but figure this is a better forum for feedback –

    I will have to go back to rewatch “Further Instructions,” it reinforces a sneaking suspicion and a worst fear…the entire show is one big dream.

    Theory: Whichever character they choose is sleeping at the airport or on the plane (having seen or encountered everyone else) and is simply having an extraordinarily strange dream/nightmare. Could also be that the plane did crash and a survivor is comatose/dreaming and incorporating those currently or recently around him/her into an ever-evolving story, moving the characters around and adding or changing relationships. Anyone ever have a dream where you were in a strange place, doing a strange thing with a familiar person?

    This would allow the show to skirt any explanations of supernatural occurences, religious overtones, eerily connected characters, etc. I pray that I’m wrong. If they pull a Bobby Ewing (ref: Dallas for those under 30) I will be incredibly disappointed.

  393. DocH says:

    [quote comment=”56535″]
    As for Ben and the other’s…. Why are they going so far in-land? Where are they going to?
    [/quote]
    They are headed for the tallest peak on the island. The peak is usually shrouded in clouds and is a significant science complex where many of the project controllers/scientists reside. It may contain the entrance/door that gets you on-off the island. Like the StarWars saga chap 5 TESB (think BillyDee/Lando/Expose) the high altitude station can be referred to as the “City in the Clouds”.
    Why are they going there is a guess, maybe since everything on the island (the electromag hatch, the comm station, the sub, and barracks security) are on the fritz, they have to fall back to a safer environment.

  394. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”56564″][quote comment=”56453″][quote comment=”56350″][quote comment=”56347″]on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?[/quote]
    At least there are black characters, I haven’t seen one Italian-German mixed American on the show yet. ;)[/quote]

    yeah, & i haven’t seen any bi-racial families either.[/quote]

    Rose and Bernard are a biracial family. Of course, they seem to have disappeared too — WHERE ARE THEY?[/quote]

    Oh right, i forgot they were even on the show anymore. It’s a little beach, it’s worse than a small town, u can’t avoid people for that long! Unless of course smokey came over and ate both of them in the middle of the night.

  395. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”56575″]I originally posted this in reaction to a comment on the “Podcast” but figure this is a better forum for feedback –

    I will have to go back to rewatch “Further Instructions,” it reinforces a sneaking suspicion and a worst fear…the entire show is one big dream.

    [/quote]
    I believe D&C have already discounted this theory.

  396. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”56535″]I love lost, and the posts have been excellent. But there are so many to read and reason with (so apologies for treading on old ground here).

    How did Richard Alpert get to the island?

    Alpert has a mission. What is it?

    How did he know what documentation to bring about Cooper/Sawyer/Locke?

    Is the Island in an alternate reality?

    If it is, how come people seem to come and go at will?

    Are we playing out some biblical passage? Good versus evil?

    As for Ben and the other’s…. Why are they going so far in-land? Where are they going to?

    The ultra high tech sat-phone that Sayid used definitely showed a signal. No sat channels could be established…. so was the reception a GSM signal? Push to talk signal (two-way radio)?

    Why did Locke carry Cooper’s body? To where? Cooper is a big Man weighing 18 stone (252lb)? So how is he going to catch the others up traversing that terrain?[/quote]

    richard is an other & i’m guessing has read the files before so he knew how to get locke to manipulate sawyer into killing cooper. i’m also kinda wonderin if ben was in on the manipulation since he’s gonna notice if one of his files on the losties go missing.

    richard’s mission could be to become the new on-island godfather.

    the others are going so far inland so it will be quicker to capture the pregger women & drag them back to their camp & because they need medical supplies to do tests on pregger women.

  397. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”56606″][quote comment=”56564″][quote comment=”56453″][quote comment=”56350″][quote comment=”56347″]on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?[/quote]
    At least there are black characters, I haven’t seen one Italian-German mixed American on the show yet. ;)[/quote]

    yeah, & i haven’t seen any bi-racial families either.[/quote]

    Rose and Bernard are a biracial family. Of course, they seem to have disappeared too — WHERE ARE THEY?[/quote]

    Oh right, i forgot they were even on the show anymore. It’s a little beach, it’s worse than a small town, u can’t avoid people for that long! Unless of course smokey came over and ate both of them in the middle of the night.[/quote]
    Arggghhh. For the eleventybillionth time, Rose and Bernard’s characters are doing other gigs and will be back when they are available. They will be written in at that time (I bet we seen them in the finale). They are not main characters so the producers have to work around them.

  398. patience says:

    I guess nobody cares about anagrams huh?

  399. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”56645″]I guess nobody cares about anagrams huh?[/quote]

    uuuuhhhh….anagrams? what’s an anagram? (dumb question of the day brought to you by lost chicka)

  400. patience says:

    Actually Lostchika I think you will find this very intresting since alot of your post are for the idea that Naomi is not who she says she is. A anagram is a

  401. patience says:

    Actually Lost chika I think you will find this very intresting since alot of your posts are for the idea that Naomi is not who she says she is. A anagram is a word or phrase made by transposing the letters of another word or phrase and if you take Naomi’s full name Naomi Dorrit and turn it into a anagram it is: Raid Monitor. Pretty intresting.

  402. Tina says:

    hammer:

    eleventybillionth? nice.

  403. Jocco says:

    I think that Occam’s Razor should be applied to this show more often. Not every name or term necessarily has a split meaning. I think a lot of them are just names that the writers like that coincidentally/purposefully are the same as historical figures.

    Everyone, myself included, seems to like the time travel/quantum mechanics theory. What if neither are part of the equation? We know that the island has seemingly mystical powers, but that is really all that we know at this point. I hope that tonight we learn how much of the islands mystique is man-made.

  404. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”56785″]hammer:

    eleventybillionth? nice.[/quote]
    Just a joke.

  405. lost chicka says:

    tina: thanx! i do like that a lot. raid monitor, hmmmmmmmm….

    ps: naomi isn’t workin for penny unless penny is not who we think she is & is with others/dharma.

  406. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”56645″]I guess nobody cares about anagrams huh?[/quote]
    patience – I appreciate your anagram analysis…I just can’t think of anything to say because you already spelled them out. I am waiting for the ones you found to prove significant.

  407. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”56844″]tina: thanx! i do like that a lot. raid monitor, hmmmmmmmm….

    ps: naomi isn’t workin for penny unless penny is not who we think she is & is with others/dharma.[/quote]
    ___________________
    Lostchicka:

    I think Penny might not be who she says she is, I mean yes she loves Desmond, but what if..(Cue eerie music) she a super secret Dharma agent!

    Hammer: i hope you don’t think I’m picking on you. I find your comments mostly enlightening and always humorous. This blog keeps me from going nuts at work. Just letting you know I’ve used eleventlybillionth and its sisterword bajillion several times.

  408. lost chicka says:

    right there with ya tina.

    by the way, NObody is a clone (according to Ausiello).

  409. patience says:

    Hammer- Im sure that we will find out the significance of Raid Monitor soon enough, Im just glad someone commented on it, I was like wow nobody finds this intresting. anyways TMBTC tonight. (whoo hoo) Anagrams in LOST are cool it reminds me of Rosemarys Baby (all of them Witches) lol.

  410. Ali says:

    [quote comment=”56618″][quote comment=”56606″][quote comment=”56564″][quote comment=”56453″][quote comment=”56350″][quote comment=”56347″]on the theme of black and white, it stands to note that the black characters on this show are disappearing.

    michael and walt left by boat. Eko was killed by the smoke monster. Ms. Klugh was shot and is (presumably) dead. Rose hasn’t been seen in quite a while.

    What gives?[/quote]
    At least there are black characters, I haven’t seen one Italian-German mixed American on the show yet. ;)[/quote]

    yeah, & i haven’t seen any bi-racial families either.[/quote]

    Rose and Bernard are a biracial family. Of course, they seem to have disappeared too — WHERE ARE THEY?[/quote]

    Oh right, i forgot they were even on the show anymore. It’s a little beach, it’s worse than a small town, u can’t avoid people for that long! Unless of course smokey came over and ate both of them in the middle of the night.[/quote]
    Arggghhh. For the eleventybillionth time, Rose and Bernard’s characters are doing other gigs and will be back when they are available. They will be written in at that time (I bet we seen them in the finale). They are not main characters so the producers have to work around them.[/quote]

    This is my one complaint about LOST. Despite all of the wonderfulness, it can’t seem to rise above the marketing crap. Main characters are white and 30-ish. Real airplanes doing international flights are full of many kinds of people and have plenty of 40, 50, 60+ year olds. If only the men are archetypal heroes and the women are for sex and babies, I’m outa here at the end of this season.

    On a positive note, I think Rousseau may be a heroine, Rose has healing powers somewhat like Locke’s, and I am looking forward to tonight’s episode with wine in one hand and pizza in the other. Cheers.

  411. lost chicka says:

    sayid is iraqi & hurley is latino. sun & jin are korean.

  412. Meg says:

    Locke, Rose, and Bernard are all 40 or older.

  413. Islander says:

    Love reading this blog every week! This is my first time posting.

    Would appreciate your thoughts on the following:

    Cooper was very precise in explaining how he got to the “Island”. He could have generalized, but he went into detail re: the car crash?

    Could Cooper be the man that Jack did not save when he saved his future wife, Sara?

    If so, this would make him Boone and Shannon’s father. Cooper made it a point to insinuate he had other kids.

    Thanks for allowing me to share.

  414. John says:

    Does anyone else think the parachutist looks like Michael’s ex-wife who moved to London to raise her son?

  415. John says:

    Ok I’m an idiot – they’re two different actors…

  416. Jelly says:

    I am convinced that darkness rules the Universe. Simply because black holes are the most powerful forces in the Universe, sucking in light. So not even light can overcome a blackhole making darkness the ruler over everything.

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