Greatest Hits

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Tonight’s Lost episode is called Greatest Hits, which is apropos given that in the preview this week we can clearly see that Jack has something explosive in store for the Others. However, I cannot help but think that Ben may have orchestrated this whole occurrence and is basically still pulling all the strings. Say what you want about Ben, but he is definitely not an idiot and clearly understands that he can no longer trust Juliet. As we head into the season finale it will be interesting to see how this particular show sets us up for the final two hours and who will still be alive after the dust settles.

This is the official description of “Greatest Hits”:

Warning, Spoilers!

“Greatest Hits” – Jack devises a plan to do away with “The Others” once and for all, Sayid uncovers a flaw in “The Others'” system that could lead to everyone’s rescue, and Charlie’s dangerous task may make Desmond’s premonition come true. Wednesday, May 16 at 10/9c on ABC

Episode Preview:

You can also see a sneak peak of Greatest Hits.

Two things before we get into the post for tonight’s episode:

  • If you Google “Lost TV Show” you get about 77,000,000 results, so if you want to discuss spoilers, get the script for the season finale, or complain about the non-spoiler atmosphere this site attempts to offer, you have at least 76,999,999 more options
  • Most of the significant plot points for what is left of this season have been exposed on multiple websites; let’s try to keep that stuff off this site

Enough said about that. See you all in the comments after the show. Read them all before you add your own, stay on topic and have fun.

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305 Responses to Greatest Hits

  1. Hang on…where did the rest of my comment go? I wrote way more than that! Anyway, to add to my lame post above…

    I can’t wait to see how the Losties react to Jack and Juliet’s attempts to gain trust, especially considering the skepticism that exists with Sawyer and Sayid. And let’s face it, Sayid is one badass mofo that you WANT on your side…

  2. Will says:

    Hopefully we get more from Naomi as well as it relates to her true allegiance. I am beginning to suspect she is a plant by Ben to divert both the Losties and the Others from his greater scheme.

  3. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”58667″]Hopefully we get more from Naomi as well as it relates to her true allegiance. I am beginning to suspect she is a plant by Ben to divert both the Losties and the Others from his greater scheme.[/quote]
    I don’t know. Ben seemed honestly suprised when Mikhail told him about her.

  4. Will says:

    [quote comment=”58669″][quote comment=”58667″]
    I don’t know. Ben seemed honestly suprised when Mikhail told him about her.[/quote]
    Meg, I generally agree with you, but it seems to me that perhaps Ben is playing both sides and that is ultimately why Jack and Juliet are together. Further, maybe Naomi was planted there to help divert the greater attention of both factions so that whatever Ben has planned for the showdown could be achieved.

  5. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”58667″]Hopefully we get more from Naomi as well as it relates to her true allegiance. I am beginning to suspect she is a plant by Ben to divert both the Losties and the Others from his greater scheme.[/quote]
    I don’t think she’s a Ben plant. I think that if she is an other, then she was sent by the people that Ben is connected to in the outside world to help re-establish communication to the outside world. Though you can’t trust Ben. His reaction to her arrival and her helo crashing was a surprise to him.

  6. Hammer says:

    Sorry Meg.

  7. Julie says:

    But you have to think… does Ben know that Desmond is back? Sure he knew that Desmond was in the hatch.. they could go and watch him… however… as far as they know he left on his boat and is still circling the mystery island. Remember how shocked he was to discover that the losties had a boat?
    So… if he doesn’t know that Desmond has joined up with the losties…. how would he know to plant Naomi w/ info that is Desmond specific?

  8. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”58675″]But you have to think… does Ben know that Desmond is back? Sure he knew that Desmond was in the hatch.. they could go and watch him… however… as far as they know he left on his boat and is still circling the mystery island. Remember how shocked he was to discover that the losties had a boat?
    So… if he doesn’t know that Desmond has joined up with the losties…. how would he know to plant Naomi w/ info that is Desmond specific?[/quote]
    They know he’s back for likely several reasons. but most likely because the boat he was surprised about is now in their possesion (that’s when Sun killed Pickett’s wife).

  9. Lisa the Lostie says:

    I’m excited about this episode, it sounds like they will answer more of our questions.

    Now if they only answer what happened to Walt & Michael!!

    As for Naomi. I don’t think that she is a ‘plant” by Ben. I really think that Penny sent her and it stems from last season’s finale with the 2 Portuguese men in the snow getting the blip on the radar, and how Penny said that with enough money you could find anyone. I really think that she never gave up on finding Desmond, and used the resources she had to find him.

    That being said, I cannot wait for tonight’s episode!

  10. Lesley says:

    Will, I tend to agree that Ben always seems to be one step ahead of everyone on the island. I am not sure about Naomi, however, I do not trust her yet. Hopefully ,we will hear more from her tonight or get a better feel from Sayid regarding his impressions of her mission. Maybe Mikhail’s revelation to Ben was some kind of “code phrase” to let Ben know that help had arrived. I find it hard to believe that the Hostiles’ connection in the outside world would just ignore their recent silence.

  11. Lesley says:

    I am not sure why I did not notice this before, but it seems that in many of the scenes Richard Alpert is wearing a watch but none of the others folks are.

  12. Meg says:

    I don’t think Naomi is a plant for the main reason of her arrival. If Ben sent her, why would she be sent the way she was. She almost died, and if that had happened, Bens plan, if he had sent her, wouldn’t have worked. I don’t know if this is actually making any sense. I’m having trouble putting words to my thought.

  13. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”58709″]I don’t think Naomi is a plant for the main reason of her arrival. If Ben sent her, why would she be sent the way she was. She almost died, and if that had happened, Bens plan, if he had sent her, wouldn’t have worked. I don’t know if this is actually making any sense. I’m having trouble putting words to my thought.[/quote]
    I am still wondering if Naomi said “I am not alone” as someone translated, why is she not sending the Losties back out to find the other person? That would be my very first concern.

  14. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”58726″][quote comment=”58709″]I don’t think Naomi is a plant for the main reason of her arrival. If Ben sent her, why would she be sent the way she was. She almost died, and if that had happened, Bens plan, if he had sent her, wouldn’t have worked. I don’t know if this is actually making any sense. I’m having trouble putting words to my thought.[/quote]
    I am still wondering if Naomi said “I am not alone” as someone translated, why is she not sending the Losties back out to find the other person? That would be my very first concern.[/quote]
    I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.

  15. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”58726″][quote comment=”58709″]I don’t think Naomi is a plant for the main reason of her arrival. If Ben sent her, why would she be sent the way she was. She almost died, and if that had happened, Bens plan, if he had sent her, wouldn’t have worked. I don’t know if this is actually making any sense. I’m having trouble putting words to my thought.[/quote]
    I am still wondering if Naomi said “I am not alone” as someone translated, why is she not sending the Losties back out to find the other person? That would be my very first concern.[/quote]
    I am thinking that if Naomi isn’t with Pen, than her not alone comment was intended for the others and because she was in and out of conciousness, she may not have realized that she even said and to who it was said.

  16. samsandrasan says:

    [quote comment=”58728″]
    I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.[/quote]

    Yes, that would make sense. I still feel there is something we don’t know – flying at night and all that…

  17. samsandrasan says:

    Hammer did you catch the last several entries in the “Man Behind the Curtain” thread about the skeleton with the bullet in the head being a woman? I was really hoping you might have some thoughts on who it might be.

    Sorry to change the subject.

  18. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”58731″][quote comment=”58728″]
    I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.[/quote]

    Yes, that would make sense. I still feel there is something we don’t know – flying at night and all that…[/quote]
    Yeah, there’s definatley something…odd… about her arrival and just the fact that she’s there. I don’t entirely trust her.

  19. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”58734″]Hammer did you catch the last several entries in the “Man Behind the Curtain” thread about the skeleton with the bullet in the head being a woman? I was really hoping you might have some thoughts on who it might be.

    Sorry to change the subject.[/quote]
    FYI – posted some thoughts over at the TMBTC thread.

  20. lost chicka says:

    Hello Everybody! Thought i’d put my thoughts out here:

    1) i agree completly with will. ben ALWAYS finds away to stay on top of things. even when sayid was torturing him he found a way to learn more about him. he was messing with the losties the WHOLE time he was down in the hatch. he is gonna stay ahead of jack & julliette. naomi too.

    2) naomi is a spy from somebody. she’s NOT from penny, i just can’t decide if she really is an other or if she’s with dharma or somebody else altogether. there’s something wrong about her. the way she came in, patchy helping her (he would NOT have helped Charlie or anyone else), her, ben’s reaction (it wasn’t lets go in & kill her, it was lets go in & meet her).

    3) it’s kinda funny that everybody (practically everybody) on here is waiting for Sayid to say more about naomi before they make up their minds about her.

    4) why is there a pic of jack on the top of this thing. ain’t it charlie’s ep?

  21. Meg says:

    I think JAcks picture is on there because its considered a spoiler knowing whose episode it is. Please don’t tell us whose it is.

  22. [quote comment=”58728″]
    I think her comment was about the people on the ship out a mile or so off the island.[/quote]

    It’s actually 80 nautical miles off the coast. That’s a significant distance for her to say ‘I’m not alone’.

    Personally, I think Naomi isn’t connected with Penny in any way. I can’t explain how she got the picture of Pen and Des, and I don’t know what else she could be doing on the island other than being in some kind of cahoot with Big Bad Benry, but I like the idea that this is an attempt by the outside world to contact The Others, and not rescue the 815 survivors.

  23. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”58763″]I think JAcks picture is on there because its considered a spoiler knowing whose episode it is. Please don’t tell us whose it is.[/quote]

    1) it’s a couple hours away from the show, your the one reading the blog ahead of time. 2) how is whoose episode it is a spoiler? 3) everyother time whoever’s episode it is has the picture. but i guess will can do whatever he wants. right? 4) i must hav something with giving away somethings that aren’t important to me in the least & hav other people consider them spoilers. 5)everybody who’s reading this is probably wasting there time. 🙂 6) aren’t u glad i havent’ read what’s happening on the show yet?!

  24. damien says:

    i think naomi could be sent by dharma( maybe penny is with dharma?!?!?) because they may not have known the island got taken over by the hostile because the numbers were still getting pushed, which is why theyre still getting their food but then locke sent out something frm that station thing to say hostiles have taken over, i hope we see micheal and walt again in tonights episode

    p.s is a a 2 hour episode tonight or one more next week??

    p.p.s when does lost restart again i only just started watching about a month or so ago (caught up in two weeks it was amazing)so i dont know how long it goes off for

  25. Bizzy says:

    Why is Danielle picking up the dynamite? She just walks away with the whole damn box. Why didn’t she blow up like Arztzt?

  26. Kate says:

    Hiya all, look forward to meeting u back here soon to comment on what we saw.
    Stuff I’m hoping to be filled in on tonight..

    1) Naomi.
    Just to learn a little more about her but i think she’ll be a season 4 feature.
    2) Jack & Juliet.
    Need to find out what they are up to. I think Jack is ahead of Ben AND Juliet here. Is Julie planning a purge of the beach ala Ben killing his Dad ect? I re-watched the ep last night (cant remember title sorry) where Julie is taken to the island. She looks pretty dam sad as she’s setting up her tent & the scene is overlapped with Ben stating what she has to do & that he’ll be there to get her in a week. She’s Sad perhaps because she knows she’ll have to off her new love interest in Jack as Ben already sent her man Goodwin off to Ana Lucia & the Tailies & look where that got him.
    3)The Walt & Michael Issue.
    You know all the losties basically hate Michael for his deception so whatever happens with these guys will be interesting.
    Seeya all soon!

  27. damien says:

    its on now but i have to wait untill its on tv links grrrr

  28. lost chicka says:

    I missed the first 15 minutes, but read about it on dark ufo so hopefully they got it right.

    – yah!!! Rose, Bernard, & Carl are back!!!!!! Rose & Bernard were tying knots & carl came to worn the losties!

    – I knew jin would want to know why julliette said their name on the tape & them all looking at sun! but as usual, she didn’t tell him the WHOLE truth.

    – what happened to alex’s hand??? Is it just me or did they look a bit torn up?

    – so ben just makes up what they say??? I don’t remember anything when ben & Jacob were fighting that sounded (this is judging from ben’s lines) like Jacob said “take all preggers ladys & kill anyone who get in the way.”

    – alex & carl make the cutest couple!!! I want them to stay together. J

    – Charlie knows nadia!!!!!! She’s awesome! Her & sayid are destined for each other & WILL (mark my words) find each other!

    – if I find out that Charlie’s ring gets exploded I’m gonna cry! If one of the things that meant the most to him get exploded? Nuh-uh. No thank u. no ma’am!

    – we finally get to see Charlie & Claire meeting! He is so sweet! Now I’m gona cry & cry! U wanna complain about locke maybe possibly being dead, he didn’t/doesn’t have anybody like Charlie. Charlie has 3 people (Claire, aaron, & me!).

    – more people get knocked out on this show than anyother show in the world!

    – I thought Charlie couldn’t swimm, but now he suddenly can? PLEASE tell me what I missed! J

    – who’s the blonde chick? I seem to remember her.

  29. Nathan says:

    Why on the preview does it say “DS” about three-quarters of the way through it?? Just wondering.

  30. Lindsey says:

    ROSE AND BERNARD ARE BAAAAAAACK!!!! I can be at peace now.

  31. Jet Black says:

    What a crappy episode.

    Build up the emotion and in the end Charlie doesn’t even die.

  32. Jet Black says:

    What does DS stand for again, it’s his last name right?

  33. Will says:

    Great episode in my opinion, say whatever you want about the direction of the show, but the moments like where Charlie knocks out Desmond to put himself in greater danger are the ones that make this worthwhile. Next week is shaping up to deliver in a major way. I could literally feel the tension between Jack and Sayid. So, the question is, who are the women that Charlie encountered in The Looking Glass? More Others planted there by Ben?

  34. killacali says:

    THE BEST EPISODE

  35. Harold says:

    when Charlie was singing with people on the street watching one of the people was Naomi!!

  36. Garth says:

    What a terrible episode. We got absolutely nothing out of it. 2nd worst episode of the year behind Volkswagon Bus.

    Anywho, I know everyone is assuming Charlie died. I am positive that he wont, next week anyways. He will be down in that station for at least a few episodes next season. Other Losties will think he is dead, but he wont be. I think Bernard is done for. He will be the shows answer to a “major” character dying. I bet the last 5 minutes of next week will include some mysterious rustling which implies (possibly doesnt 100 percent confirm) that Locke is still alive.

  37. FMGreenSteve says:

    Well then, let the games begin! Is this episode gonna draw another ~750 comments?!

    I honestly have no idea what is going to happen in the final two hours of this season. There are so many different directions in which they can take the show – a “Choose your own adventure” of sorts for the writers.

    -Is anyone else wondering why they didn’t just try to cut the cable that runs to the Looking Glass station?

    -Once again, Sayid proves to be the only person on the island that is thinking rationally.

    -Alpert looked genuinely surprised and upset that Locke didn’t return with Ben. It’s a sign to me that there is definitely a major rift between them.

    -Did I hear correctly that Juliet told Sun “I’m sorry I lied to you.” ? I take that as a confirmation of the common theory that Jin really isn’t the father, and that Sun won’t have to die.

    I don’t know, there was a lot of small little things in this episode that play into the big picture, but it didn’t have the jaw-dropping revelation like many of the more recent episodes. Regardless, I enjoyed the story quite a bit. I’m not sure why there has been so much anti-Charlie sentiment among the fans of this blog recently, but I disagree with it. Charlie is still a capable and valuable character to this show.

    Now, bring on the onslaught… I imagine there will be well over 100 comments by the time I wake up!

  38. Jet Black says:

    [quote comment=”58861″]What a terrible episode. We got absolutely nothing out of it. 2nd worst episode of the year behind Volkswagon Bus.

    Anywho, I know everyone is assuming Charlie died. I am positive that he wont, next week anyways. He will be down in that station for at least a few episodes next season. Other Losties will think he is dead, but he wont be. I think Bernard is done for. He will be the shows answer to a “major” character dying. I bet the last 5 minutes of next week will include some mysterious rustling which implies (possibly doesnt 100 percent confirm) that Locke is still alive.[/quote]

    I agree, though I do think he will die in the season finale after trying to flip the swithch and getting into some kind of scuffle with one of those girls.
    Still, I think they had a great opportunity to transmit something other than mere schock or suprise by killing him at the end of tonight’s episode and they wasted that.

    Episode was garbage.

  39. lost chicka says:

    yah, i can get back on here again!

    well, anyways the episode. it wasn’t an amazing episode like last week’s or the brig but it was still good. i’d like to thank the writers for making me go from charlie can die to he can’t die! not a kick ass episode but an emotional ep. i’m going to cry, cry, & then cry some more if they kill him.

    i have to rewatch the episode since i missed about the first 15 minutes thanks to company, so forgive me if i’m not all in on it.
    1) i thought charlie could NOT swimm. he couldn’t save that chick who drowned in sea. 1 cuz he couldn’t swimm. now he can swimm to the underwater hatch?
    2) as usual, when jin asked what’s going on with sun, she only tells him the 1/2 truth.
    3)carl’s back! him & alex make the cutest couple! 🙂 i’m such a girl. i was ballin when charlie & claire met, when charlie met nadia all i can think is “nadia & sayid ARE going to meet! they’re gonna get back together!” so i don’t remember what she said to charlie. it was somethin about im bein a hero right?
    4)did this episode prove that ben just makes up what jacob says? i don’t remember ben saying anything that sounded like an answer to what he told price (i thought that’s what ben called him) to do in his fight with jacob.

  40. Hooked says:

    [quote comment=”58867″]Well then, let the games begin! Is this episode gonna draw another ~750 comments?!

    I honestly have no idea what is going to happen in the final two hours of this season. There are so many different directions in which they can take the show – a “Choose your own adventure” of sorts for the writers.

    -Is anyone else wondering why they didn’t just try to cut the cable that runs to the Looking Glass station?

    -Once again, Sayid proves to be the only person on the island that is thinking rationally.

    -Alpert looked genuinely surprised and upset that Locke didn’t return with Ben. It’s a sign to me that there is definitely a major rift between them.

    -Did I hear correctly that Juliet told Sun “I’m sorry I lied to you.” ? I take that as a confirmation of the common theory that Jin really isn’t the father, and that Sun won’t have to die.

    I don’t know, there was a lot of small little things in this episode that play into the big picture, but it didn’t have the jaw-dropping revelation like many of the more recent episodes. Regardless, I enjoyed the story quite a bit. I’m not sure why there has been so much anti-Charlie sentiment among the fans of this blog recently, but I disagree with it. Charlie is still a capable and valuable character to this show.

    Now, bring on the onslaught… I imagine there will be well over 100 comments by the time I wake up![/quote]

    I think Juliet apologized to Sun for being dishonest about “making sure the baby was ok” when it really was all about collecting data for Ben.

  41. A Kelly says:

    Is it just me or did the brunette in the hatch look like the girl the Sawyer conned/ the girl the helped Kate see her mom? I dunno… Only saw a glance.

    The tension between Alex and Ben continues to grow. She seems to be aware that Ben might be here adopted father, wonder if that will speed up her “wanna kill daddy” complex.

    Definite worry from Alpert at the sight of Ben without Locke. Doubt we will see Locke til next season, at the very earliest, the end of next episode.

    Jack is awfully demanding of trust, but it seems he was just being hard headed rather than a trader.

    Liked the Greatest Hits theme. It was sweet.

    not bad but not great episode

  42. lost chicka says:

    – i say the island does wierd things to your head & sayid is the only one not affected by it. 🙂

    – this episode tore down the fence around everybody’s heart we’d built up so we wouldn’t care if charlie dies. now we’re all cryin ahead of time.

    – i’m wondering the same thing fmgreensteve is, why didn’t they just cut the wires? hopefully sayid will have some line to explain that to us next week.

  43. pinto says:

    i dont think this ones gunna be very informative but we shall see

  44. FMGreenSteve says:

    I wonder if Danielle and Alex will finally meet next week. The death of one or both could be a major scene…

  45. pinto says:

    WOWOWOWOWOWOW!!! in the prieview, right after the gun is handed off, there is a little mettal thing that says “DS” anyone know what that means

  46. A Kelly says:

    [quote comment=”58879″]WOWOWOWOWOWOW!!! in the prieview, right after the gun is handed off, there is a little mettal thing that says “DS” anyone know what that means[/quote]

    i believe that was in reference to Drive Shaft

  47. A Kelly says:

    I am also thinking that perhaps the vision that Desmond had this time did not end in charlie drowning but by getting shot or something more painful, perhaps (something else)… that is why he didnt want to tell him, or he wanted to take his place

  48. lost chicka says:

    re-watching the episode {i get eastern & western showings :)} a couple things i’ve noticed:
    1) was it really neccessary to bring EVERYBODY out into the jungle to meet danielle? couldn’t jack have just said “look, danielle the french chick is gonna bring some dynamite over. when the others get here, we’re gonna blow ’em up into tiny bits.” and the example was a bit much too, all tho it was fun to watch. 🙂
    2) wtf is wrong with jack? he has NO time for anybody other than julliette (& danielle). sayid is smart, brilliant, & still rational.

    AND:
    fmgreensteve – knew that would cum up! but it’s evidence for my theory, so does that allow me to break the guidlines?

  49. Found says:

    [quote comment=”58874″]Is it just me or did the brunette in the hatch look like the girl the Sawyer conned/ the girl the helped Kate see her mom? I dunno… Only saw a glance.

    The tension between Alex and Ben continues to grow. She seems to be aware that Ben might be here adopted father, wonder if that will speed up her “wanna kill daddy” complex.

    Definite worry from Alpert at the sight of Ben without Locke. Doubt we will see Locke til next season, at the very earliest, the end of next episode.

    Jack is awfully demanding of trust, but it seems he was just being hard headed rather than a trader.

    Liked the Greatest Hits theme. It was sweet.

    not bad but not great episode[/quote]

    I thought the same thing about the brunnette… probably the reason that they had her hold the riffle up so close to her face, so we couldn’t ID her yet.

    Lost Chicka: Alex’s hand was bloody because she had just killed a rabbit and was going to prepare it for Carl and her to eat. (Another Rabbit refference for “The Looking Glass”).

  50. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”58881″]I am also thinking that perhaps the vision that Desmond had this time did not end in charlie drowning but by getting shot or something more painful, perhaps (something else)… that is why he didnt want to tell him, or he wanted to take his place[/quote]

    exactly what i’m thinking. charlie is gonna or will get killed in some other way by blondie & brilliant brunette (as u might be able to tell, i’m a brunette).

    another thing i’ve noticed, sayid is great at tackling people! he must’ve been great at football. (furture flashback episode right there. 😉 how sayid became a great tackler in iraqi football.)

  51. helen says:

    The metal DS is Charlie’s ring, which stands for “Drive Shaft”, the name of his band!!!

  52. john locke says:

    [quote comment=”58888″]The metal DS is Charlie’s ring, which stands for “Drive Shaft”, the name of his band!!![/quote]

    from what i saw, it was someones initials, which in turn was turned into the name of the band. im watchin it again and will be back with some more physical evidence on this.

  53. john locke says:

    it was their grandfathers intitials. dexter stradthom, (something like that, its hard to tell with the accents), but in any case thats what the ring stood for, it was a family heirloom. they named the band after his initials.

  54. lost chicka says:

    last post before i go to bed.

    – thank god rose is back! i’ve missed her o-so-true comments like “since u’ve been back u’re almost an optimist.” to jack. 🙂 she makes me smile.

    – did they film the scene of charlie & claire meeting the first season or did they put that in recently like they did with paulikki? stupid question but i wanna know.

    – apparantly charlie is the only one on the island who does not have a daddy issue. the one and only time we see his dad (well, i’m pretty sure it’s the only time), it’s one of his greatest moments.

  55. theorynut says:

    Hey,…I thought the Brunette in the station might be Cindy (other section of plane). Hum….

  56. blimblam says:

    DS was the ring Charlie’s brother gave to him for one Christmas. It’s a family heirloom and it stands for “Dexter Straton” I believe he said.

  57. blimblam says:

    I caught a glimps of Hurley holding Vincent on a leash when he went to see if Claire and the baby were ready to start for the radio tower. Haven’t seen Vincent in a few eps. HURRAY!! Rose & Bernard!!! I LOVE Rose & Bernard!!

  58. avalanche says:

    [quote comment=”58882″]re-watching the episode {i get eastern & western showings :)} a couple things i’ve noticed:
    1) was it really neccessary to bring EVERYBODY out into the jungle to meet danielle? couldn’t jack have just said “look, danielle the french chick is gonna bring some dynamite over. when the others get here, we’re gonna blow ’em up into tiny bits.” and the example was a bit much too, all tho it was fun to watch. 🙂
    2) wtf is wrong with jack? he has NO time for anybody other than julliette (& danielle). sayid is smart, brilliant, & still rational.

    AND:
    fmgreensteve – knew that would cum up! but it’s evidence for my theory, so does that allow me to break the guidlines?[/quote]

    my girlfriend commented that i sure hate gratuitous blowin’ things up. After polar bears/smokey/others/dead people/ghosts. . .does jack need to grandstand about what a dangerous place this is. Also, aren’t they short of wire? good tactical planning. That tree could have been smokey!

    also–charlie’s great!

    I think the interesting thing is that desmond did not show up before it rained on charlie? what do you all think this means as far as time line stuff?

  59. I think Desmond getting hit in the head with the oar by Charlie will turn out to be significant, a la him changing things when he got hit (instead of the bartender) by the guy with the baseball bat. When he woke up, he was on the island after the implosion of the hatch. Don’t know how it will be significant, but I think it’s probably more than him just knocked unconscious.

  60. Bobola says:

    What the hell are people talking about this not being a good episode; that’s nuts! We get to see Carl again and he comes to save the Losties with Alex’s help. We see Rose and Bernard again, see what the dynamite was for from Danielle, get to see that Charlie is a hero then and now, get to see inside the underwater station, see some scary Others coming to get the Losties…and a crazed Ben out for blood. See more of the conflict between Ben and Alpert. We see that Juliet does seem to be with the Losties after all…and it all sets up the big showdown for next week.
    That was a real dumb move to let Mikhail go!
    I hope they have a real good reason why no one thought to cut that cable to the underwater station…and why the hell didn’t anyone follow it before?
    Maybe the three toed statue was an animal!
    Maybe the Others are Scientologists…that would be scary!
    Charlie was pretty stupid to start screaming when he got into the underwater station…not exactly James Bond. I doubt Desmond would be that dumb. And if I had that outrigger I’d put a sail on it, load it with food and head out looking for the rescue people. Well, maybe I’d stay and try and pick up Claire after Charlie gets offed. Ha! Or maybe Para-chica; she’s hot.
    Locke is not dead.
    But I hope Michael gets his ass handed to him if he ever comes back. What a snake.
    Wait, that’s an insult to snakes. He’s snake shit.

  61. Lesley says:

    I sure missed commenting last night! This episode was great and set up lots of potential story lines. I noticed lots of little things:

    Ben loves rabbits and Alex was cleaning a dead one, also a nod to Alice in Wonderland.

    We need an explanation of how Ben got Locke’s gun. I am sure it has to do with the little time wrinkle that appeared to happend in Jacob’s shack when the lantern fell to the floor.

    We did not see Desmond on the London street when Charlies was singing Wunderwall and the camera deliberately panned from Charlie’s perspective to look at the crowd.

    The two women in the Looking Glass appear to be dressed in the same garb as Naomi (gonna need to watch again to confirm). Must be an extremely important station to be guarded like that.

    Did Sayid have some other motivation for sending Jack to the radio tower with everyone else? I am not so sure that he trusts Jack yet.

    Why would Desmond offer to take Charlie’s place knowing he would botch the timing of a rescue attempt?

    Some folks mentioned cutting the cable from the Looking Glass. I am not so sure that would affect the signal but I get the impression that station could be the key to the island’s little miracles – it appears to be a generator of sorts. Water powered? Cutting that cable might just get them killed if it the power source.

    Information about the dead from the plane wreckage seems more and more like a real event than a story Naomi made up. Memorials and greatest hits album. What gives?

    Charlei’s ring on the beach could foreshadow his return.

    No Locke! Is he gathering his power to re-emerge like Gandolf the great white wizard?

    Looking forwad to so many more ideas!

  62. Toeknee says:

    Like Bobola (comment #62), I don’t know why people say this episode sucked. It may not have been as great as last week’s, but last week’s was arguably one of the best of the whole 3 seasons (probably #2, behind the pilot episode, IMHO). The main point of this episode was to set up what will happen next week.

    I found it interesting that people thought it was not exciting because Charlie didn’t die. I expect that if Charlie did die in this episode, people would have complained that it was too predictable, being that it was a Charlie-centric episode, and being that early in the episode Desmond said “this time you have to die”.

    It seemed a bit strange to me that Rousseau was so willing to go along with Jack’s plan to blow up all the Others. Wouldn’t she be concerned that Alex would be among the group of Others that came to get the women? Perhaps Juliet told Rousseau offscreen that Alex probably wouldn’t be part of that group, but how would Rousseau know for sure that that was true? Either Juliet could be lying, or the Others’ plan could have changed.

  63. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”58882″]
    AND:
    fmgreensteve – knew that would cum up! but it’s evidence for my theory, so does that allow me to break the guidlines?[/quote]

    lostchicka – sorry to say, the rule is “No spoilers or discussion of episode previews.” Using information shown in an episode preview as evidence for your theory could be considered cheating. 🙂

  64. Lindsey says:

    I may be WAY OFF on this, but did anyone think in the flashback with Charlie playing guitar in the rain, that the girl standing there watching him with the hat on, looked sort of like NAOMI??? I think I’m just trying to make connections whereever I can and I end up making people look like someone they are not! AGH!

    And then I read that the lady Charlie helped in the alley was Nadia, the girl Sayid was in love with? I didn’t notice that at all while watching.

  65. Lindsey says:

    It was Sayid’s NADIA! I’ll be darned.
    (thank goodness for tivo and replay) I was slow the first go around!

    Now, to see if the hat wearing lady in the rain was Naomi?

  66. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”58867″]
    Alpert looked genuinely surprised and upset that Locke didn’t return with Ben. It’s a sign to me that there is definitely a major rift between them.
    [/quote]
    I agree, and he seemed very concerned that Ben was changing the plan to get the Losties’ women right away instead of waiting until the next day. I wonder if he (Alpert) is aware of Jack and Juliet’s plan to blow up the invading Others.

  67. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”58893″]Hey,…I thought the Brunette in the station might be Cindy (other section of plane). Hum….[/quote]
    I thought so too, at first, but we just saw her on the island with the Others a day or two ago (island time). Without a sub (assuming Locke did indeed blow it up), how would Cindy have gotten to that station? Swim to it like Charlie did? Maybe, but my guess is that it’s some other woman we haven’t met yet.

  68. soularheart says:

    I have no idea why Charlie had to knock Des out in order to go himself! It wasn’t like Des twisted his arm or insisted, he just peacefully offered to go instead! Couldn’t Charlie just said no, I’m the one who should go?

  69. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”58892″]
    – apparantly charlie is the only one on the island who does not have a daddy issue. the one and only time we see his dad (well, i’m pretty sure it’s the only time), it’s one of his greatest moments.[/quote]
    We did see his father once before, I think it was in the “Fire & Water” episode from last year. In that flashback, I think his father was dressed as a butcher, with a bloody apron, chopping up dolls, and he said some mean things to Charlie. It was kind of a surreal flashback, perhaps drug-induced, so I don’t know how accurate of a depiction of Charlie’s father that was. But he did come across as a mean father, much the opposite of what we saw last night with the swimming.

  70. Mel says:

    When Charlie was about to jump into the water to his father, in the background you can hear someone yell desmond. Also, when Charlie is putting away his guitar there seems to be a strange thing that happends to the filming, like it warps or somthing. I have seen this before and I wonder if it is when time is repeating itself, it also happened when there were in the boat at the looking glass. The store across the way when Charlie is singing is called Underground.

  71. Hammer says:

    FM – I think that just cutting the cable wouldn’t do anything execpt cut off communication from the station to the island. I think the LG is powered independently. That cable didn’t seem big enough to carry enough power for the size and capability of the station. Plus I doubt that an exposed cable would be the entire lifeline of LG.

    lost chicka – being a repeat spoiler offender…I’m considering skipping your posts like I do with another well known offender. I don’t understand why you guys want this site to be like the rest.

  72. Ally says:

    awww….jack told kate he loved her! sorry

  73. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59018″]I have no idea why Charlie had to knock Des out in order to go himself! It wasn’t like Des twisted his arm or insisted, he just peacefully offered to go instead! Couldn’t Charlie just said no, I’m the one who should go?[/quote]
    Like someone stated earlier, there is likely a reason. I wonder if Dez will lose his flashing ability.

  74. Hammer says:

    [/quote]
    I wonder if he (Alpert) is aware of Jack and Juliet’s plan to blow up the invading Others.[/quote]
    ToeKnee – I think so…part the Ben overthrow conspiracy.

  75. KillerR says:

    I agree that the ep was a little plain, but it was to show that charlie is going to fulfil his destiny to “save” aaron just as his mother told him to in his dream/vision in season two. He will hit the switch and be killed doing it. Its already been reported that dominic was not offered a contract for next year, so by that its pretty certain that he will be dying next week.

  76. Jim says:

    Seems like cutting the cable to the LG station would be short-sighted … after Charlie infiltrates the station, it could be used as a future resource

  77. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”58881″]I am also thinking that perhaps the vision that Desmond had this time did not end in charlie drowning but by getting shot or something more painful, perhaps the XXXXXXXXXXXXX… that is why he didnt want to tell him, or he wanted to take his place[/quote]Come on people, it’s one of the damned rules!!

  78. adriennez says:

    I thought this was a great episode…I think alot of us had heard the rumors or read the spoilers elsewhere that said that Charlie would die…pleasant surprise that he did not. I have become endeared to his character…trying to be on the straight and narrow, love of his family, genuine caring for Claire and her baby…

    Bobola wrote:
    Maybe the three toed statue was an animal!
    Maybe the Others are Scientologists…that would be scary!

    That made me laugh out loud!! The guy who plays Ethan is Tom Cruise’s real life cousin!!

    I loved Sayid’s tackle, even though it was just Karl!! He just seems like the only one who is not fueled by his own agendas.

  79. adriennez says:

    I still do not trust Juliet…she did not bother to tell anyone about the implant that they had put inside of Claire and how they activated it so that Claire would get sick and she could gain their trust!!

  80. shauna says:

    It seems to me that showing us the scene on the street with Charlie singing without Des showing up is huge. We know for sure that he is warping realities and changing things. Was that meant to be just a confirmation of that fact or foreshadowing another change in the time line or showing that things have already changed?

    The other thing that stood out to me was Alex’s gun. Last week she gave it to Locke and it was turned against him. Did she know that would happen? This week she gave it to Carl. Must be some significance to that.

  81. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”59038″]awww….XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!

    sorry[/quote]
    As somebody a whole lot smarter than anybody here once said, “Come on people, it’s one of the damned rules!!”

  82. Hammer says:

    Whoa…what did I do to deserve that comment? I don’t claim to smarter than anyone else.

  83. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”59084″]Whoa…what did I do to deserve that comment? I don’t claim to smarter than anyone else.[/quote]
    LOL just kidding, paraphrasing Tom when he quoted Alvar Hanso or whoever said that thing about curiosity.

  84. Toeknee says:

    I liked how Charlie’s flashbacks were done. It was like a series of short stories, as opposed to one continuous story, which sometimes get a bit tedious (e.g., Jack’s tattoos).

    For one item on Charlie’s list, I thought it was going to be “The night I hooked up with two groupies”, not the bit with the ring.

    I thought Drivshaft only had produced one album – is that correct? Even if they had 2 albums, how do they warrant a “Greatest Hits” album? They supposedly had only one single that anyone ever heard.

  85. L0St says:

    Charlie has been a hero more than once –
    He saved Nadia who was mugged in the street alley
    He saved Jack in season 1 when the cave collapsed
    He will hopefully play a big role in saving everyone on the island if if he can hit that switch in the “Looking Glass” hatch.

    Charlie is one of my favorite characters. It was more shocking to see him not die last not versus ultimately thinking he would based on Desmonds vision. Charlie will survive and live happily ever after with Claire and Aaron.

  86. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59086″][quote comment=”59084″]Whoa…what did I do to deserve that comment? I don’t claim to smarter than anyone else.[/quote]
    LOL just kidding, paraphrasing Tom when he quoted Alvar Hanso or whoever said that thing about curiosity.[/quote]
    Whew…thought I offended you. Went right over my head.

  87. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”59092″][quote comment=”59086″][quote comment=”59084″]Whoa…what did I do to deserve that comment? I don’t claim to smarter than anyone else.[/quote]
    LOL just kidding, paraphrasing Tom when he quoted Alvar Hanso or whoever said that thing about curiosity.[/quote]
    Whew…thought I offended you. Went right over my head.[/quote]
    ________________________
    No no no, not at all. Like you, I’m sick of seeing the spoilers popping up in every third post. Sorry for the confusion.

  88. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59088″]
    I thought Drivshaft only had produced one album – is that correct? Even if they had 2 albums, how do they warrant a “Greatest Hits” album? They supposedly had only one single that anyone ever heard.[/quote]
    I was thinking along those lines. I thought maybe it was Naomi lying to gain more trust.

  89. Getting Lost? says:

    Does no one think that it was Desmond’s plan all along to go down for Charlie? That he knew what was down there?

  90. Tina says:

    The screen shot of Greta does look an awful lot like Cassidy Philips, but the actresses are credited on Lospedia as two different women. However if you look at the glamour shot photo of the actress playing Greta, it looks very little like the woman holding the gun. the ahridcuts of Cassidy and Greta are very similar. Eh, who knows though.

    I’m uncertain that Ben, like many others have said, is running as tight a ship as he’d like to be currently. There is definitely dissention among his crew.

  91. BillyBobJimbo says:

    Charlie cant swim well at one point in another episode.

    Desmond saves Charlie indirectly from drowning in another episode, I think this was actually the first premonition we saw from Desmond.

    Now Charlie is a champion swimmer? Charlie jumping in the water could have been a turning point type event. This could have been influenced by the cyclical time theory or possibly Desmond.

    I dont get why Ben was in such a rush and why he would want to kill anyone who gets in the way. It seems hes really rattled where in the past he has been much cooler.

  92. shauna says:

    [quote comment=”59107″]Does no one think that it was Desmond’s plan all along to go down for Charlie? That he knew what was down there?[/quote]

    I don’t think this is the case. If it had been, wouldn’t he have just gone ahead on his own? Why would he need Charlie to go out on the boat at all?

  93. Becky says:

    BEST. SHOW. EVER. ON TV. EVER.

     

    What an amazing episode!!!!!  This show is ridiculously awesome and so addictive!  The writers ROCK!!!!

     

    First off, Rose and Bernard are back!  I am so glad to see them!  It was like a family reunion.

     

    I love the Looking Glass hatch name with Alice and Wonderland imagery and allusion.  Nicely played. 

     

    I normally find Charlie’s flashbacks to be redundant but this time they proved to be interesting and insightful.

     

    Now we know why Rousseau was collecting dynamite when Locke saw her at Black Rock!  I find it funny how they call to her and she just shows up.

     

    Did you all notice Vincent on a leash with Hurley when they were heading out???  What is that dog’s deal?  And where are Michael and Walt?  Honestly!

     

    Jack is definitely back as the badass leader who is there for everyone…I am so glad he’s come back to the way he was!

     

    I knew it was Carl when the opening scene came on and I was proven right.  Alex is doubting her parentage and I am so glad she had Carl warn the Losties that the Others were on their way with brute force.  It kind of grossed me out when Alex’s hands were covered in blood (alluding to the fact that her gun shot Locke…blood on her hands?)  Also, it was a white rabbit…more Alice imagery?

     

    Ben is losing it.  He is becoming erratic and rash and making odd decisions without much thought.  He’s becoming desperate.

     

    Who are those Fembots living underwater???  How is it even possible that Charlie got into a space underwater where there was air to breathe?  They are so far down, how is there a dry area???  I don’t get it!

     

    Overall, FANTASTIC episode!!! 

  94. Sci Fi Girl says:

    Is anyone else still wondering which side Juliet is on? It is possible that she knew people are at the underwater station and was playing dumb when they asked her about it.

    I keep going back to that scene with Juliet and Ben monitering the hatch when Paulo is in the bathroom. They were conspiring together and we have seen throughout this season that she knows a lot more than she lets on. As an earlier post said, she never said anything to the Losties about the implant in Claire and the faked illness. I don’t trust her one bit. I hope we find out for good what her true intentions are in the season finale.

  95. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59107″]Does no one think that it was Desmond’s plan all along to go down for Charlie? That he knew what was down there?[/quote]
    Sure it possible. He did this before. He was supposed to let Charlie die by the arrow in order for the parachutist to arrive. He ended saving Charlie anyway. He may have thought that as long as the switch is off everything would be okay. He may go down there when he wakes up to try to save Charlie again.

  96. Harpua says:

    First – they don’t show whether or not desmond shows up at charlie playing the guitar. From what i remember, they cut to charlie playing the guitar, then helping the woman. in between that time, desmond could have shown up and talked to him. i’d have to watch both clips again and see when the rain falls and all that.

    Second – this was definitely one of their filler episodes. they didn’t need to drag out the “set-ups” the way they did. plus, it was pretty obvious that charlie wasn’t going to die. they wouldn’t spend an entire episode saying, you’re going to die, you’re going to die, you’re going to die, then actually kill him. that’s not how they work. and with three more seasons, claire ain’t getting on a copter anytime soon.

  97. holchadolcha says:

    [quote comment=”59088″]

    I thought Drivshaft only had produced one album – is that correct? Even if they had 2 albums, how do they warrant a “Greatest Hits” album? They supposedly had only one single that anyone ever heard.[/quote]

    I agree. Also, a “Tribute/Greatest Hits” album released 90 days after his “death”? Naomi seems to be rehearsed and overacting. She’s seems more concerned with making a connection with the people on the island then getting off the island.

  98. lost chicka says:

    First off i’m REALLY sorry about the spoiler stuff. i am awful with it! i’ll double check my posts & try not to anymore. 🙂 i am really bad about putting stuff down that i don’t think is considered a spoiler & then have everybody else say it is is one. i’m REALLY sorry. and i hate saying sorry so this is killing me. 🙂

    alright some comments from me and i double checked for spoilers:

    1) i like Lesley’s (comment 62) reason for why they didn’t cut the cable to the underwater station. i think that hurley’ll ask sayid why when des cums back and says that charlie’s dead. (right before claire knocks desmond out with aaron’s crib. this show knocks people out left & right. has there ever been an episode where nobody get knocked out?)

    2) how is alex cleaning a dead rabbit a nod to alice in wonderland? this is probably a stupid question, but hey i can ask it. 🙂

    3) i don’t think that sayid trusts jack & i don’t think that jack likes sayid. or maybe jack is just bein his normal “I’m better than anybody else here cuz i’m a doctor & should be on grey’s anatomy” self.

    4) did naomi say they burried charlie or that they had a memorial service? i can’t remember. naomi’s lines about them alll being dead are sounding more & more real, but i’m gonna stick with the she’s-not-who-she-says-she-is theory.

    5) i don’t think that the woman watching charlie play guitar in the rain was naomi. i watched really close & don’t think she looked like her at all. Nadia calling Charlie a hero was the connection in that scene. And since a couple people r connected to Nadia in someway, does anybody else get the feeling that Nadia will show up on the island very soon? maybe she’s naomi’s co-pilot or something.

  99. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”58995″]I may be WAY OFF on this, but did anyone think in the flashback with Charlie playing guitar in the rain, that the girl standing there watching him with the hat on, looked sort of like NAOMI??? I think I’m just trying to make connections whereever I can and I end up making people look like someone they are not! AGH!

    And then I read that the lady Charlie helped in the alley was Nadia, the girl Sayid was in love with? I didn’t notice that at all while watching.[/quote]

    I think Nadia was in the Looking Glass. The second shooter.

    I thought it was a great episode. We needed an inflection point, this was a great one. Can’t wait for the finale.

  100. Meg says:

    Lostchicka- It’s ok, I think we all understand that you’re not doing it intentionally.

  101. Eric says:

    I also think we’ll see a triumphant return of Locke/Jacob at the very end of the finale when all hope seems lost, with a reshuffling of Others and Losties heading into season 4.

    Very much like Gandolf’s return at the end of LOTR 2.

    The battle then becomes with the really important stuff Alpert alludes to in “The Brig” since infertility and the like was just the tip of the iceberg.

    This inflection point, down a watery rabbit hole into the Looking Glass, is our introduction to the true mysteries of the island and each individuals’ purpose for being there.

  102. DShsft says:

    Total soap opera garbage. Do you think you could knock someone out by whacking them on the side of the face like that?

  103. lost chicka says:

    – Julliette is still an other. Like SciFi Girl said, she always knows more than she lets on. And all Julliette said was “i’ve never been down there. i don’t know anyone who has.” she didn’t say wether or not she knew there would be 2 women down there.

    – Naomi is not who she says she is. Like some other people have said, u can’t make a greatest hits CD if u’ve only released 2 others with only 1 hit single. And he wasn’t even a rockgod like Charlie believes he is! I personally wouldn’t give a damn if some guy trying to be a rockstar died in a plane crash.

    – Jack, Jack, Jack. I still don’t know if i trust him. He has moments where he seems like he’s almost with the losties (like getting danielle to help him blow the others up), but then he has those moments where i go he is with the others (like when he doesn’t have time for sayid, or he gets mad when he can’t go do oh i forget but sayid tells him he can’t do something & jack flips out, etc.)

    Oh, and why does he trust Julliette when even he should be able to figure out she’s an other (the white rocks, takin sun down to the med hatch, nobody else trusting her) but not trust Carl when he seems a heck of a lot better then juliete (cumin just to warn them about others cumin, remindin them why they shouldn’t trust juls, etc.)?

  104. Found says:

    It’s obvious that Ben knows that something is up at Lostie Camp. How he knows is the real question. Did Jacob really tell him about Jack and Juliet’s Plan after Locke left the cabin. Ben seamed really shaken after the events. Maybe not so much because of the events that we saw; because he probably had seen that type of display before. Maybe he really does get info from Jacob? There was a resolute urgency to get to the camp a day ahead of time, and I think that he said kill whoever gets in the way because he knows that the losties are planning on killing all of them….This is now war… not just sneaking in and out with the pregs.
    If juliete is betraying Ben, then Ben knows that she is aware of the Jamming signal and might try to stop it in order to use the Sat Radio… Either Ben is somewhat omniscient, or he is certainly geting this info from someone, or something…

    … But I still don’t trust Juliete completely, I think that it is that sociapathic look she has, and the fact that she knows so much, but only tells the losties things when it also helps her agenda. This could all still be some major setup between her and Ben; she may not like doing it, but she WILL DO ANYTHING to get off of the Island! And there is some real info about all of the getting off the island thing, that only can be facilitated by Ben, that she still is not telling us.

    For some reason I agree that Desmond was always going to go to the Looking Glass Hatch. Maybe he just wanted to give Charlie the oportunity to pass the ” Sacrificial Test”. (Just making the decision to sacrifice himself would change Charlie forever.) Desmond would have handled the situation totaly different because he knew about the armed women, And probably had a plan to deal with it ala the Vision. We didn’t get to see the vision because Desmond lied about what it really was, I think if he really believed that Charlie needed to die for them to be saved, he would have let him. Now maybe Charlie is actually going to screw up the intended outcome of the vision.

  105. Tina says:

    As far as a greatest hits album goes, I find it implausible that given the time frame and the small selection of material for production that a greatest hits album would be produced such a short time after Charlie was decided dead. I wonder if the band released an album without him or that the time frame is skewed and Naomi & the Losties haven’t realized it yet.

    Desmond’s flash prior to finding Naomi hanging from the tree indicate intitally that Charlie “must” take an arrow to the neck to find her, however in the second flash, they show Charlie holding one end of the parachute to catch her after Des cuts her down. SO, this says to me that his flashes are only future POSSIBILITIES and not definitive indications of what the future events WILL be. Which means that there is a possibility that Charlie’s dive into the LG hatch will lead to his demise, which obviously at this point we’re uncertain of. I’m still suspicious that Des’s flashes have something to do with the multitude of possible realities that come into existence BECAUSE of the choices humanity makes. Like, Desmond choosing to save Charlie makes it possible to save Naomi and his choosing not to might open up the reality of Naomi not surviving her crash. In other words, the choices that the characters make throughout the course of the series affect fabric of reality. Desmond’s flashes are sort of insider info. I do think though that this insider info has been given to him for a greater purpose than just keeping Charlie from death. It hints at the whole destiny/free will theme of the series and also to the string pulling Ben appears to be doing on th island.

  106. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”59151″]Lostchicka- It’s ok, I think we all understand that you’re not doing it intentionally.[/quote]

    good. i know it’s really annoying when people break the rules over & over. i just seem to be really bad with breaking the rules when i try not to. 🙂

  107. birdwatcher says:

    Has anyone ever read “Through the Looking Glass”? I know I have but I can’t remember exactly what it’s about. It comes after Alice in Wonderland and I don’t think the white rabbit is in it (but I can’t remember and I can’t find the book in my house but I know I have it!). But the world through the looking glass is definitely strange…It could hold some answers (dimensional shifts, alternate realities? or something).

    Whoever mentioned fembots – that’s exactly what I was thinking when Charlie got in there!

  108. Hammer says:

    Tina – Good stuff…I’m keeping that in mind for the next flashes. That is, if Charlie didn’t knock the flashes out of him. 🙂

  109. Found says:

    Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…

  110. Nick says:

    [quote comment=”59159″]

    Desmond’s flash prior to finding Naomi hanging from the tree indicate intitally that Charlie “must” take an arrow to the neck to find her, however in the second flash, they show Charlie holding one end of the parachute to catch her after Des cuts her down. SO, this says to me that his flashes are only future POSSIBILITIES and not definitive indications of what the future events WILL be. Which means that there is a possibility that Charlie’s dive into the LG hatch will lead to his demise, which obviously at this point we’re uncertain of. I’m still suspicious that Des’s flashes have something to do with the multitude of possible realities that come into existence BECAUSE of the choices humanity makes. Like, Desmond choosing to save Charlie makes it possible to save Naomi and his choosing not to might open up the reality of Naomi not surviving her crash. In other words, the choices that the characters make throughout the course of the series affect fabric of reality. Desmond’s flashes are sort of insider info. I do think though that this insider info has been given to him for a greater purpose than just keeping Charlie from death. It hints at the whole destiny/free will theme of the series and also to the string pulling Ben appears to be doing on th island.[/quote]

    Tina, I agree with your thoughts on Desmond’s “flashes” being possibilities rather than being absolute. In the “Flashes before your eyes” episode, he was wrong about the day of the football/soccer game. I know that’s minor, but I’m not convinced that when his visions don’t come true, that the future is completely altered. I like your thinking on that. Good stuff.

  111. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59169″]Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…[/quote]
    Thats exactly what I was thinking. Maybe the wormhole or whatever the hell it is leads into the looking glass, and the sub is the only way to get out of there. If that the case, then even though Locke allegedly blew up the sub, it’s still possible to leave and come back to the island.

  112. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59169″]Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…[/quote]
    Your likely correct. But I don’t think it’s the only way on and off…all the equipment that Dharma brought and the air drops suggest a much more effective way to transport things to the island…subs are no good for that.

  113. Annie says:

    [quote comment=”59169″]Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…[/quote]

    I do not post often throughout the year but noticed lately there has been another Ann, so I changed to Annie.

    I agree with this. Alice goes through the looking glass into an imaginary world that looks similar to hers but is still very different. Maybe this is it. I am one who thinks there are underground tunnels connecting all the stations. Could be how the ladies got down there.

  114. Found says:

    …Remember the “Looking Glass” was a mirror that Alice was able to pass through to experience an alternate world or reality…

  115. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”59169″]Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…[/quote]

    Great comment! I think you’re on to something with that.

    As to all the complaints about the storyline re: DriveShaft Greatist Hits…so many bands have had marginal success and then produced a Greatist Hits album. The closest to DS might be Candlebox maybe. And DriveShaft had a real hit we’ve been told. Charlie’s death in a high profile crash, within a short time of having a record topping hit would create a buzz. Completely plausible.

  116. Wm I says:

    [quote comment=”58871″]yah, i can get back on here again!

    well, anyways the episode. it wasn’t an amazing episode like last week’s or the brig but it was still good. i’d like to thank the writers for making me go from charlie can die to he can’t die! not a kick ass episode but an emotional ep. i’m going to cry, cry, & then cry some more if they kill him.

    i have to rewatch the episode since i missed about the first 15 minutes thanks to company, so forgive me if i’m not all in on it.
    1) i thought charlie could NOT swimm. he couldn’t save that chick who drowned in sea. 1 cuz he couldn’t swimm. now he can swimm to the underwater hatch?
    2) as usual, when jin asked what’s going on with sun, she only tells him the 1/2 truth.
    3)carl’s back! him & alex make the cutest couple! 🙂 i’m such a girl. i was ballin when charlie & claire met, when charlie met nadia all i can think is “nadia & sayid ARE going to meet! they’re gonna get back together!” so i don’t remember what she said to charlie. it was somethin about im bein a hero right?
    4)did this episode prove that ben just makes up what jacob says? i don’t remember ben saying anything that sounded like an answer to what he told price (i thought that’s what ben called him) to do in his fight with jacob.[/quote]
    Missed the first 15 minutes? Company/schmompamy!

    Just a little “couldn’t resist” prod Lost Chicka, most of your comments are pretty insightful. Couldn’t believe you would admit that even if it is true.

  117. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”59176″]…Remember the “Looking Glass” was a mirror that Alice was able to pass through to experience an alternate world or reality…[/quote]

    Which lends support to the multiverse/alternate reality theory of the island’s location, assuming the LG hatch is a doorway. Not sure if it is or isn’t right now.

    Some additional TTLG info:

    1. Appearance of 1 white & 1 black kitten
    2. Alice goes on a journey to become the new Red Queen, unseating the existing red queen.
    3. Contains the famous poem “Jabberwocky” which may shed light on some of the island’s events.

  118. tsheskin says:

    This is my first time posting, just wanted to say I think that Ben’s idea to ambush the lostites camp for the preggo women and Kill anyone who gets in the way is All his idea and NOT Jacob’s, I think the others are loosing faith in Ben and are not fully backing any of his decisions, it wouldn’t surprise me if his motives are soon questioned. Also, who was the blonde woman in the looking glass station? she look so familure like we’ve seen her before, I could be wrong though.

  119. Found says:

    [quote comment=”59174″][quote comment=”59169″]Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…[/quote]
    Your likely correct. But I don’t think it’s the only way on and off…all the equipment that Dharma brought and the air drops suggest a much more effective way to transport things to the island…subs are no good for that.[/quote]

    I believe that there is a tunnel leading to a hatch on the island, as indicated on the Map that Sayid has. It is probably large enough to drive thru. I am an Architect and I always notice as much as I can from my TiVo freeze frame scans of Dharma blueprints. I know that there are other acidental ways to get on the Island. And as far as the Air Drops are concerened, they may be fabricated to give the illusion or being dropped by a plane… just a possibility…

  120. Omar Kamel says:

    I’m just wondering why everybody seems to be assuming that Charlie’s singing in the rain flashback is the same one in which we’d seen Desmond before – and that therefore – there’s some clue there in that Desmond isn’t there ‘now’.

    I just didn’t make that assumption AT ALL.

    My assumption is that it was just another Rainy day in England, god knows there’s plenty of those, and that Charlie, as usual, was playing Wonderwall.

    I think people are creating a red herring out of this…

  121. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59191″]I’m just wondering why everybody seems to be assuming that Charlie’s singing in the rain flashback is the same one in which we’d seen Desmond before – and that therefore – there’s some clue there in that Desmond isn’t there ‘now’.

    I just didn’t make that assumption AT ALL.

    My assumption is that it was just another Rainy day in England, god knows there’s plenty of those, and that Charlie, as usual, was playing Wonderwall.

    I think people are creating a red herring out of this…[/quote]
    I was looking at screen shots of last nights episode on darkufo, and they have pictures up next to each other of Charlie singing in both episodes. They are clearly different days, as he is wearing different clothing and the buildings aren’t the same.

  122. adriennez says:

    Did it look to anyone else like when Charlie helped Nadia in the alley, that she looked at him like she knew him or at least recognized him?

    Also, it freaked me out that Charlie left his ring in Aaron’s crib…I am a major safety mommy(3 kids)…of course choking hazards must not be a big deal when they are dealing with survival, smoke monsters, wild animals, and hostiles. I guess he was passing it on to the closest he would have as a son.

  123. MKS says:

    Ben- I am convinced that Jacob did not say anything to him about raiding the Losties camp early- if at all. This is all Ben’s idea. No one but him (and Locke) can talk to Jacob and I am sure that until now people never questioned him when he related messages from Jacob. Ben knows his power is slipping away- his people are starting to question him, the Losties are blowing up the Dharma stations, his research is failing, he is no longer the only one to communicate with Jacob, the island is turning on him and not healing him, etc. I think he just feels that by getting rid of the Losties and/or making decisions, he will regain his ground. It is also a way to take his peoples’ focus of the fact that Locke did not come back with him.

  124. Feeber says:

    [quote comment=”59191″]I’m just wondering why everybody seems to be assuming that Charlie’s singing in the rain flashback is the same one in which we’d seen Desmond before – and that therefore – there’s some clue there in that Desmond isn’t there ‘now’.

    I just didn’t make that assumption AT ALL.

    My assumption is that it was just another Rainy day in England, god knows there’s plenty of those, and that Charlie, as usual, was playing Wonderwall.

    I think people are creating a red herring out of this…[/quote]

    I disagree. I think it was the same day/scene. And the fact that Desmond wasn’t in this scene shows that this was a different timeline. In this timeline Charlie saves Nadia – Remember Sayid says to Danielle that Nadia was dead – Perhaps Nadia died in the timeline when Desmond showed up and delayed Charlie.. Just a thought.

    Also- I think Desmonds visions may have less to do with saving Charlie’s life, but more to do with getting him to do something.

  125. Wm I says:

    [quote comment=”59169″]Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…[/quote]
    I’m “down with that” too. I was thinking the sub probably docs with the looking glass and the name “Looking Glass” implies some type of portal (wormhole) by the AIW references. (hate to repeat – this post should be deleted)

  126. Bobola says:

    Ok, re the Post Mortem Hits music. Musicians often have a lot of extra material left over from working in a studio. Vutures would swoop in and make something out of it because nothing makes a Pop Star bigger than death. Happened to Hendrix; they even brought in musicians to flesh out demo songs.
    For the person wondering how there was an air passage to the Looking Glass; take a bowl and turn it upside down and push it underwater. Air bubble.
    I’d still have cut that cable; I’d love to screw with the Others in any way if I were there.
    I wonder just who those ballonists were, one who Ben was trying to pass for. Sayid sure was smart to go and get to the bottom of that grave! He should be the leader. But I keep wondering about the Ballon. And what made the heliocopter crash? I guess the fact that it came at night makes me very suspicious of para-chica.
    Wonder why Ben does not make a girlfriend appear in the magic box so he can work out some of his anger. With a dad like his I guess I might want to kill him too.
    Wonder why Ben gave the gun BACK to Alex? Does he feel she needs protection? Is his security so loose that he does not know Alex is meeting up with her boyfriend; he knows he’s on the loose! And how the hell did Ben get the gun from Locke? A gun is heavy and Locke would have noticed right away if Ben had grabbed it at the cabin when they walked to the pit of dead people.
    What the hell was the Clockwork Orange deal in that room with Carl? If Ben had done that to me I’d probably take that gun and get Alex to sneak me into camp and get Medieval on his ass.
    Sorry to keep bringing up items from the past but these things roll around like waves on the Lost Beach and come out later.
    I just hope LOST does not go the way of Twin Peaks which started out great and ended up with a fizzle (so typical of David Lynch). They sure got a lot of “splainin” to do. Polar bears, Black Smokey, Dharma karma, Odd statues, Slave ships, hatches all over, healing powers, plane crashing beam that people survive…
    ps
    I miss Echo.

  127. Petula Clark says:

    [quote comment=”59088″]I thought Drivshaft only had produced one album – is that correct? Even if they had 2 albums, how do they warrant a “Greatest Hits” album? They supposedly had only one single that anyone ever heard.[/quote]

    If Tupac can release stuff 10 years after his death it can happen! The label probably took advantage of the publicity surrounding Charlie’s tragic death, remixed a bunch of unreleased studio tracks and voila!

    Re: Charlie’s dad, maybe no daddy issues, but I thought Dad PROMISED Charlie he would catch him and he didn’t. Sure C. was happy he could swim, but still…am I missing something?

    Desmond said he saw CLAIRE and AARON rescued, NOT the rest of them! They could take off in a copter and be sent to where Michael and Walt are.

    BTW, my username references Juliette’s theme song, “Downtown.” Wanted to come up with something!

  128. tsheskin says:

    sorry for the question, but where is the screen cap that shows charlie in the rain in the 2 episodes? I didn’t see it

  129. Rupert says:

    I think Rousseau, like Karl, has been in contact with Alex since the night Locke blew up the sub. This explains why Rousseau was willing to help Jack with his plan (she knew Alex would not be in the group that raids the Losties’ camp), and it explains Alex’s comment to Karl last night that Ben might not be her father.

  130. Cari says:

    Does anyone know how many years ago Ben and Alpert killed off Dharma? And then how many years later Juliette came to the island? I think Alpert realizes that Ben has lost track of what their original goal was (whatever that may be) and that is why there is such an obvious rift between them.

  131. Tina says:

    The scene of Charlie singing in the rain clearly occurs on a different day than that the Flashes Before Your Eyes episode.

    http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

    Dark Ufo’s blog has the two screen caps set up and clearly, Charlie is wearing different clothes and in different locations.

    As someone else said, Englad is pretty rainy.

  132. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”59217″]I think Rousseau, like Karl, has been in contact with Alex since the night Locke blew up the sub. This explains why Rousseau was willing to help Jack with his plan (she knew Alex would not be in the group that raids the Losties’ camp), and it explains Alex’s comment to Karl last night that Ben might not be her father.[/quote]

    I think you might be right. A girl doesn’t just up and start questioned her parentage out of nowehere (even if a stranger makes mention of it: sayid).

  133. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”59178″][quote comment=”58871″]yah, i can get back on here again!

    well, anyways the episode. it wasn’t an amazing episode like last week’s or the brig but it was still good. i’d like to thank the writers for making me go from charlie can die to he can’t die! not a kick ass episode but an emotional ep. i’m going to cry, cry, & then cry some more if they kill him.

    i have to rewatch the episode since i missed about the first 15 minutes thanks to company, so forgive me if i’m not all in on it.
    1) i thought charlie could NOT swimm. he couldn’t save that chick who drowned in sea. 1 cuz he couldn’t swimm. now he can swimm to the underwater hatch?
    2) as usual, when jin asked what’s going on with sun, she only tells him the 1/2 truth.
    3)carl’s back! him & alex make the cutest couple! 🙂 i’m such a girl. i was ballin when charlie & claire met, when charlie met nadia all i can think is “nadia & sayid ARE going to meet! they’re gonna get back together!” so i don’t remember what she said to charlie. it was somethin about im bein a hero right?
    4)did this episode prove that ben just makes up what jacob says? i don’t remember ben saying anything that sounded like an answer to what he told price (i thought that’s what ben called him) to do in his fight with jacob.[/quote]
    Missed the first 15 minutes? Company/schmompamy!

    Just a little “couldn’t resist” prod Lost Chicka, most of your comments are pretty insightful. Couldn’t believe you would admit that even if it is true.[/quote]

    i know but they brought smores! i luv smores almost as much as i luv lost!

  134. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59227″][quote comment=”59217″]I think Rousseau, like Karl, has been in contact with Alex since the night Locke blew up the sub. This explains why Rousseau was willing to help Jack with his plan (she knew Alex would not be in the group that raids the Losties’ camp), and it explains Alex’s comment to Karl last night that Ben might not be her father.[/quote]

    I think you might be right. A girl doesn’t just up and start questioned her parentage out of nowehere (even if a stranger makes mention of it: sayid).[/quote]
    Gotta say…I wasn’t surprised she said it, she’s been rebelling against Ben for as long as we’ve known about her…kids rebell for many reasons, one is because they know that a/both parents isn’t/aren’t their real parents.

  135. Toeknee says:

    RE: Charlie singing Wonderwall, and the line “Maybe you’re gonna be the one that saves me”…….

    In “Flashes Before Your Eyes”, that lyric was in reference to Desmond saving Charlie. But in “Greatest Hits”, it is in reference to Charlie saving Nadia, as well as his attempt to save Aaron and Claire (and the rest of the Losties).

  136. Tom says:

    Ok I have noticed gaffs with this episode so far. At 32mins20secs it is possible to see the cameraman on the beach as Hurley walks away from the boat; and the front license plate of Charlie’s band’s van is shown to be a British plate (GB euro sign) yet it is yellow which is only used for the rear plate in the UK making it illegal.

  137. Tina says:

    hammer:

    I can totally buy Alex’s general rebellion against Ben, fueled by her desire to be with her BF who he dislikes, by her being roughly 16 (i had an awful way with my parents at that age) and other fairly benign 16year girl things. However, once having been a rebellious 16 year old girl myself I never said to my parents “I kno I’m adopted anf you’re not my real parents so I don’t have to listen to you!”. Alex needs to have a reason for questioning her parentage beyond Sayid just mentioning it. I wonder if she knows she’s adopted, but just not the circumstances.

  138. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”59200″]Did it look to anyone else like when Charlie helped Nadia in the alley, that she looked at him like she knew him or at least recognized him?

    Also, it freaked me out that Charlie left his ring in Aaron’s crib…I am a major safety mommy(3 kids)…of course choking hazards must not be a big deal when they are dealing with survival, smoke monsters, wild animals, and hostiles. I guess he was passing it on to the closest he would have as a son.[/quote]

    ummm…..he saved her. i think she just looked at him like “my hero.” Nadia said that 3 other people walked by & Charlie was the only one who helped her. hmmmm…but she did give him quite the speech, didn’t she? but i’m gonna lean for she was just getting a good look the man who hadn’t been in a fight since he was 8 (and lost) and saved her in the dark & creepy alley.

    nadia is the best flashback character. i hope she shows up sometime & gets together with sayid. the guy deserves some happiness.

  139. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59238″]hammer:

    I can totally buy Alex’s general rebellion against Ben, fueled by her desire to be with her BF who he dislikes, by her being roughly 16 (i had an awful way with my parents at that age) and other fairly benign 16year girl things. However, once having been a rebellious 16 year old girl myself I never said to my parents “I kno I’m adopted anf you’re not my real parents so I don’t have to listen to you!”. Alex needs to have a reason for questioning her parentage beyond Sayid just mentioning it. I wonder if she knows she’s adopted, but just not the circumstances.[/quote]
    Yeah, that’s my point. I don’t think she’s just rebelling ’cause she’s 16 and suddenly questions Ben being her father. She’s been hiding in the jungle and helping the losties from day one that we met her. I wonder why she’s been helping all along…I don’t think this uprising against Ben just started, I think it predates Juliette’s request of Jack to let Ben die.

  140. MKS says:

    Charlie singing in the rain-
    I think it was just a way to show a possible different timeline, one where he does not meet Des. It could very well be the same day. Just like in the pictures of Des and Penny people have noticed them wearing different clothing/ color shirts, Charlie’s different outfit does not mean it is not the same occasion.

  141. Tina says:

    hammer, ok ok conceded.

  142. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”59245″]Charlie singing in the rain-
    I think it was just a way to show a possible different timeline, one where he does not meet Des. It could very well be the same day. Just like in the pictures of Des and Penny people have noticed them wearing different clothing/ color shirts, Charlie’s different outfit does not mean it is not the same occasion.[/quote]

    As far as the Penny/Des photo goes, the differences were credited as production errors. I think there are enough significant differences in the the two charlie events to indicate different days entirely. Street musicians generally have a set that they play consistently in several different locations.

  143. Erin says:

    I thought it was interesting how Nadia said to Charlie something like “You’re a hero. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise…” It was like she knew something more about him, about how he has a need to prove himself as worthy of Claire and Aaron.

  144. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”59254″]
    Sniffs bait…swims away.[/quote]

    You’re kind of a nerd you know that right? 😉

  145. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59255″][quote comment=”59254″]
    Sniffs bait…swims away.[/quote]

    You’re kind of a nerd you know that right? ;)[/quote]
    You’re not the first to accuse me of that. Most people use different words though. 🙂

  146. Tasha says:

    Okay so my cat sat on the keyboard and I was around comment 100. So…I just have to say

    I was routing for Charlie. Once he dove in I was on the edge of my seat thinking…please don’t die. He also never explained the ring to anyone, so even if it was found, it would not have any significance and that is totally not fair. He needed to tell Claire it was for Aaron. Who leaves a ring in a babies cradle anyway? Aaron could have choked on it!!!!!!!

  147. Hammer says:

    [quote comment=”59259″][quote comment=”59251″][quote comment=”59249″]Does anybody know if Naomi gets killed in the next episodes?[/quote]
    Um, that would be considered a spoiler and wouldn’t be discussed here.[/quote]

    don’t you realize that lost chicka’s “insightful” opinions are based on the spoilers?[/quote]
    Yep.

  148. XR15 says:

    1. Greatest Hits albums for one-hit wonders is commonplace. I submit the following:

    Nik Kershaw Greatest Hits (google it–first hit)

    Mungo Jerry Greatest Hits (ditto)

    2. I love it when they find new hatches!

    3. I always thought Charlie was okay, but not my fave. This episode really changed that for me–what an awesome guy!

  149. Journeyman says:

    Did not really like the episode last night. I thought it broke the high strung, intense drama, lots of action to a sweet story about Charlie.

    However, I just watched it again and I really liked this episode. I think it was out of place leading up to the Finale.

    Any thoughts?? Why would they do a 180 on the intense factor…Curious?

  150. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59245″]Charlie singing in the rain-
    I think it was just a way to show a possible different timeline, one where he does not meet Des. It could very well be the same day. Just like in the pictures of Des and Penny people have noticed them wearing different clothing/ color shirts, Charlie’s different outfit does not mean it is not the same occasion.[/quote]
    It’s not just the clothes. The buildings around him are different too.

  151. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59264″]Did not really like the episode last night. I thought it broke the high strung, intense drama, lots of action to a sweet story about Charlie.

    However, I just watched it again and I really liked this episode. I think it was out of place leading up to the Finale.

    Any thoughts?? Why would they do a 180 on the intense factor…Curious?[/quote]
    I wouldn’t say it was a COMPLETE 180. I think this episode was just a build up to the finale. I think of it as the begining of next weeks episode.

  152. Hammer says:

    Meg – that’s what makes this hard to figure out. Why would they use such a similar scene if it wasn’t to further the time thing? But then why is everything also so different?

  153. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59270″]Meg – that’s what makes this hard to figure out. Why would they use such a similar scene if it wasn’t to further the time thing? But then why is everything also so different?[/quote]
    I’m not ruling out that it could be the same day. Two possibilities…
    1. They made it look similiar to that day so we would post a billion comments discussing whether it meant something about the timeline or not. I do like the idea of it being to same day.
    2. It was a different day. I doubt Charlie only sang on the street for money that one time.
    I’m leaning toward the second one, but possibility 1 would make it a lot more interesting.

  154. stormclouds13 says:

    So we’ve discussed some of the Jacob/Esau possibilities in the show before, and here comes another one:

    In giving Charlie their grandfather’s ring, Charlie’s brother is basically giving up his birthright just as Esau sold his birthright to Jacob. Charlie even remarks “but you’re the firstborn” before taking the ring. And even after Charlie’s brother got his act together, he never asked for the ring back. If the LG station really is behind the hidden secrets of the island, could Jacob then be Charlie trapped in another dimension/timeline?

    As a few others on this blog, I’m a firm believer that Sayid sent Jack away because he doesn’t trust him and was afraid he would blow the whole plan. Jack looks pretty upset that he won’t be staying behind and seems to be trying to figure out what to do now.

  155. Enik says:

    Seems like Hurley is lamenting over not finding a way to make himself useful. Will he pull a “Gilligan” in the finale and ruin the great plan?

  156. Tina says:

    [quote comment=”59259″][quote comment=”59251″][quote comment=”59249″]Does anybody know if Naomi gets killed in the next episodes?[/quote]
    Um, that would be considered a spoiler and wouldn’t be discussed here.[/quote]

    don’t you realize that lost chicka’s “insightful” opinions are based on the spoilers?[/quote]
    ________________
    Two Things:

    1. I never said her opinions were “insightful”, rather I usually skip them because she tends to post spoilers, despite her supposed best attempts not to.

    2. Just because some one else posts spoiler related material, despite the rule against it, doesn’t mean other people should too, i.e. you.

    If you want spoiler related info, read another blog.

  157. Mel says:

    I don’t believe it was Naomi watching Charlie sing. I do however think that the Charlie Angels chick in the looking glass resembled Sawyers con girl, not saying it is but they look alike. I made the comment earlier, at the pool in the back ground you hear someone yell desmond.

  158. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”59277″][quote comment=”59275″]The whole show was the last 5 minutes. OK, Charlie has to say his goodbyes. Notice Claire didn’t really give a damn.

    OK, let’s all walk out to the field to watch a tree blow up.

    Rose and Bernard were useless.

    Big action scene: Sayid tackles Carl.

    I think Desmond faked passing out when he got smacked. He really wanted Charlie to go for the swim.[/quote]
    Why are you here?[/quote]

    i’m gonna echo meg’s question. WHY ARE U HERE? to ruin a good blog?

  159. Tina says:

    Lostchicka: No offense meant to you, I know you get excited about the shows and I appreciate your enthusiasm! This Dshaft guy is a total douche.

  160. Enik says:

    Wait a minute. Weren’t those two armed “Charlie’s Angels” the same that were with Charlie in bed?

  161. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59289″]Wait a minute. Weren’t those two armed “Charlie’s Angels” the same that were with Charlie in bed?[/quote]
    I doubt it, but that would be great if they were.

  162. lost chicka says:

    Alright read through the comments. Everybody’s cumin up with great ideas (except for a certain person – cough cough dshsft cough cough) Anywhooo:

    – Good ole Mr. Ben Linus could be telling the truth about Jacob ordering them to go into the losties camp early. Ben looked really wierd cumin out of Jacob’s cabin, it could be that Jacob told him what would happen & it scared the livin daylight outa Ben. But, who knows? Ben could be lying, but he could be telling the truth.

    – petula clark – that would be interesting if Claire & Aaron got picke up & put in the place where Michael & Walt are. I’ll go on with your comment and say that The Losties get in contact with Naomi’s people & they only take Claire & Aaron. Claire believes they’ve been rescued but no, they’re in the hatch or whatever they’ve been keeping Walt & Michael in! That would be a good ep.

    – i think that ben took somethings over from dharma (experiments on children? mind games on people in hatches?) & brought it over to the hostiles. before alpert was ok with ben doing that, but now he wants to get back to the real reason the others are on the island – whatever that reason may be.

    – my take on Charlie singing in the rain is that either the writers are messing with us, it was a different day, or desmond never met charlie. i’m leaning towards my 2 reason. not gonna cross any out yet, but like Tina said musicians usually have a set that they play consistenly in different locations (it’s not as easy to play guitar as it looks!) & he was wearing different clothes like someother people pointed out.

    – charlie was lying about being a great swimmer than? later desmond asks charlie how long he can really hold his breath. i forget if charlie answered him. but i can see charlie barely being able to swim. u know like he can “swim” in a pool but would die in the ocean.

  163. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59292″]- charlie was lying about being a great swimmer than? later desmond asks charlie how long he can really hold his breath. i forget if charlie answered him. but i can see charlie barely being able to swim. u know like he can “swim” in a pool but would die in the ocean.[/quote]
    Charlie asked if it really matter.

  164. DShsft says:

    Why didn’t Kate offer to do the swim? She can’t be rescued without going to prison. Charlie just killed Ethan.

  165. stormclouds13 says:

    I think Charlie is actually a good swimmer. It’s possible even for a great swimmer to get caught in an undercurrent and carried out farther than they can swim, which would explain the first drowning incident. Note that Boone was a lifeguard but he still got in trouble trying to swim out to save someone in season one.

    The second time Charlie was to drown, Desmond said he fell in and smashed his head on the rocks after being caught by a wave. That would have nothing to do with swimming ability.

    Charlie could be an excellent swimmer. But getting to the Looking Glass would more likely be the job of an experienced free diver.

  166. Tina says:

    Stormclouds13: Good points.

  167. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59298″]I think Charlie is actually a good swimmer. It’s possible even for a great swimmer to get caught in an undercurrent and carried out farther than they can swim, which would explain the first drowning incident. Note that Boone was a lifeguard but he still got in trouble trying to swim out to save someone in season one.

    The second time Charlie was to drown, Desmond said he fell in and smashed his head on the rocks after being caught by a wave. That would have nothing to do with swimming ability.

    Charlie could be an excellent swimmer. But getting to the Looking Glass would more likely be the job of an experienced free diver.[/quote]
    I don’t think Charlie actually is a good swimmer. In season 2 he said he couldn’t swim. He’s probably picked up the basics (I mean, what else is there to do on a deserted island). I think he only did this to save Claire. He had accepted his fate.

  168. Jaz says:

    Here’s my idea. Richard is the ‘spirit’ of the island. As we saw in the last episode, he doesn’t age. He’s living peacefully on the island with his people – the Hostiles – when Dharma comes along. The Dharma guys don’t fit into Richard’s plans, so he gets rid of them. Next, for some unknown reason, he appoints Ben as the fake leader of the new Others.

    Things are okay for a few years, but then the Losties come along. Simultaneously, Ben starts to let the power corrupt him. His plans and Richard’s plans diverge. Hence, he must now be eliminated.

    Richard likes Locke because Locke seems to respect the Island. Hence, he wants Locke to become the new leader of the Others. Perhaps he thinks Locke can combine the Others and the Losties and create one happy family.

    Juliette is in cahoots with Richard. That’s why she tells Jack of Ben’s plans. If the Losties defeat the Others, then Ben is finished. After this, Richard envisages, Locke will lead the new Others. Unfortunately for Richard, Jacob – who’s sort of an enemy spirit of Richard’s – gets to know of the plan and warns Ben. Ben kills Jacob. Now Ben wants to go a day early and kill the Losties. This will get him back his lost power over the Others and hopefully keep Richard off his back.

  169. Hammer says:

    In this episode, Charlie claim he was a winning swimmer as a kid and could hold his breathe for over 4 minutes…

  170. Jaz says:

    Sorry. That was ‘Ben kills Locke’ in the last paragraph above.

  171. Jones says:

    I’m still leaning toward “Jack is a Bad Guy.” I mean, he’s got the losties blowing up their own living quarters. Where will they get their perfectly tailored clothes for the next three seasons?

    It would be funny if Desmond fell out of the boat and drowned while the losties and others were at war with each other.

    If Charlie doesn’t die, I think it will be Sayid. Where else can they really go with his character?

    When Nadia was talking to Charlie it reminded me of the Thai woman talking to Jack. Don’t know if that means anything.

    That’s all.

  172. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59310″]In this episode, Charlie claim he was a winning swimmer as a kid and could hold his breathe for over 4 minutes…[/quote]
    I think he was saying that so that no one would tell him he couldn’t.

  173. lost chicka says:

    looking at pics of 2 chicks in LG, does the brunete chick look like casey to anybody else? they didn’t get to close to the girl with brown hair, so i’m probably jumping to an answer to fast, but does anybody else think so? and the blonde chick (i’m positive i’m wrong about this, but i just feel like throwing it out there) look like emily, ben’s mom, to anybody with straight hair? u can tell me i’m crazy.

    PS:i’m really enjoying my new found insanity! 🙂

  174. Scott says:

    Did anybody notice that on the side of Charlie’s guitar it says “I WAS HERE MOMENTS AGO” ? This was seen when he was placing his guitar in it’s case on the street. Strange. Maybe somehow he is sending hiself clues from another time??

    Also, the tag on the band’s van spelled backwards spells “LOTTERY”

    just fyi:)

  175. DShsft says:

    [quote comment=”59314″]It would be funny if Desmond fell out of the boat and drowned while the losties and others were at war with each other.[/quote]

  176. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”59317″]Did anybody notice that on the side of Charlie’s guitar it says “I WAS HERE MOMENTS AGO” ? This was seen when he was placing his guitar in it’s case on the street. Strange. Maybe somehow he is sending hiself clues from another time??

    Also, the tag on the band’s van spelled backwards spells “LOTTERY”

    just fyi:)[/quote]
    Did you find this yourself, or do you have a website? I looked on darkufo (the only good easter egg site I know), but they didn’t have it yet.

  177. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”59314″]I’m still leaning toward “Jack is a Bad Guy.” I mean, he’s got the losties blowing up their own living quarters. Where will they get their perfectly tailored clothes for the next three seasons?

    It would be funny if Desmond fell out of the boat and drowned while the losties and others were at war with each other.

    If Charlie doesn’t die, I think it will be Sayid. Where else can they really go with his character?

    When Nadia was talking to Charlie it reminded me of the Thai woman talking to Jack. Don’t know if that means anything.

    That’s all.[/quote]

    agree with u on jack. he just doesn’t seem like jack anymore.

    i was wondering if desmond would fall out the few seconds while charlie was swimming. with how charlie’s luck seemed on the island (his ring getting left behind, dying so claire & aaron would be safe) his “greatest hits” would get lost in the sea forever along with desmond. and how is getting hit with an oar gonna knock u out? everybody on the island must have really bad headaches with how many times everybody gets knocked out.

    sayid will NOT die. he can’t! i just don’t want him to die. he’s my favorite character on the island! he’s the reason they know half of the stuff they do. like danielle, where others live, why they can’t get their transmission out, more but i’ll save u from the reading. if they kill him off, the losties will be dumber than they already are.

  178. katesFriend says:

    we have discussed people “bringing” things to the island, eg the “box”, cooper, etc

    maybe charlie (and others who also want to be rescued) “brought” naomi

    so when naomi tells charlie about him being a huge rock star now, it is just b/c that is what he would want to hear

    maybe this is out there, but who knows!

    thanks for the good comments all 🙂

  179. katesFriend says:

    ok, one more thing

    charlie’s list of favorite experiences, somehow it is happening again:

    5: song on radio (naomi tells him he is a huge rockstar at home now)

    4: swimming (he had to swim for his life here, after previously saying he couldn’t swim well)

    3: ds ring from bro (the scene was all about passing it down generations, this was charlie’s chance to do this)

    2: nadia calls him a hero (he is now being a hero once again)

    1: i met you (this is the one i don’t have yet)

    i don’t know how relevant all this is, just thought maybe it is like his test, his coming to terms w/ his life, like eko did (well, didn’t) and boone

  180. MKS says:

    1- I don’t believe Naomi is an Other. I do believe she was send by Penny and has no idea about the whole Losties vs. Others ordeal.
    2- Ben is not doing what Jacob wants him to do. He is holding Jacob trapped inside that magic ring. He has been on a power trip for a while and is coming unglued because his control is slipping.
    3- The Others are starting to doubt Ben because his orders and plans are no longer serving the big picture, but are motivated bu Ben’s own personal ambitions. They can also see that the island is no longer healing Ben.
    4- Sayid send Jack away because Jack does not have experience with guns, unlike Sayid and some other people. He is of no use on the beach. Sayid is thinking like a military strategizer, Jack is making in personal.
    5- I do not think that Juliette is going to betray our Losties. I think she will betray Ben. I don’t know why I trust her, but I do.

  181. Annie says:

    [quote comment=”59329″][quote comment=”59317″]Did anybody notice that on the side of Charlie’s guitar it says “I WAS HERE MOMENTS AGO” ? This was seen when he was placing his guitar in it’s case on the street. Strange. Maybe somehow he is sending hiself clues from another time??

    Also, the tag on the band’s van spelled backwards spells “LOTTERY”

    just fyi:)[/quote]
    Did you find this yourself, or do you have a website? I looked on darkufo (the only good easter egg site I know), but they didn’t have it yet.[/quote]

    I searched for ya, and that would be lostpedia.

  182. Other 218 says:

    Did anyone pick up on the Charlie/Liam XMAS conversation about Finland & Helsinki & practically being at the North Pole. One of the underlying theories running around LOST is that the island is really quite far NORTH, hence all of the Russia/Scandinavian/Scots connections. LOST is approaching XMAS on the island (Jack said 90 days which puts the holiday a few days away). How much do you want to bet that when they get up to the radio tower on the high hill, they see icebergs way out at sea.

    Stockholm syndrome is where long-term prisoners start to empathize with their captors plight, but this mental state is sometimes referred to as Helsinki syndrome, this may simply be due to the erroneous naming of the syndrome in popular media. Was the Charlie/Liam chat suggesting they are all lab rats of some sort?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

  183. DShsft says:

    The flight left Sydney and then found itself at the North Pole? Wouldn’t the weather have to be cold to have icebergs?

  184. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”59335″]
    1: i met you (this is the one i don’t have yet)
    [/quote]
    This one was to Claire – the day I first met you (on the beach after the crash). The number one greatest thing in his life was meeting Claire. That’s why he gave her the “I’ll never see you again kiss” before leaving with Des.

  185. Jones says:

    lost chicka,

    I don’t want Sayid to die either. But I really don’t want any of the original castmembers to go

  186. katesFriend says:

    [quote comment=”59352″][quote comment=”59335″]
    1: i met you (this is the one i don’t have yet)
    [/quote]
    This one was to Claire – the day I first met you (on the beach after the crash). The number one greatest thing in his life was meeting Claire. That’s why he gave her the “I’ll never see you again kiss” before leaving with Des.[/quote]

    yeah, i meant he is RE living these, so i don’t know if this maybe foreshadows he WILL see her again?

  187. Becky says:

    Whoever mentioned fembots – that’s exactly what I was thinking when Charlie got in there![/quote]

    that would be me! I wonder if Austin Powers will come in dancing so Charlie can hit the button in time!

  188. Other 218 says:

    Someone mentioned that they thought the armed folks in the Looking Glass Hatch were dressed like Naomi. I think the second gal out of the door with the rifle was dressed more like Richard Alpert doing his Robin Hood impersonation 30 years back when he met Ben and recruited him.
    Naomi-think – wow she sure recovered fast – it has been only 4 island days since she puncutured her lung – now she’s bouncing around with all her new buddies – she bears considerble watching.

  189. Becky says:

    could someone share some insight on how the Looking Glass is under the water yet those women were perfectly dry and breathing air???? Is that possible? Is it an air pocket?

  190. Now I cant wait for the season finale! This is too hair raising!!!!

    Does anyone know if there will be a new “Lost Experience” for this summer?

  191. Hope says:

    Other 218 brought up Stockholm Syndrome – where captives begin to sympathize with their captors. I have wondered this about Jack with Juliet. I think he trusts her to much.

    I even wonder if Juliet’s videotape plea to kill Ben was legit and not just another well thought out Ben manipulation playing on Jack’s ethics as a Doctor and his good nature. Knowing all the Losties past history, Ben and Juliet would have a notion Jack would resist Juliets plea to kill Ben and thus move him one step closer to doing the surgery for Ben and perhaps feeling closer to Juliet as she shares distrust for Ben too.

  192. Lisa the Lostie says:

    I skimmed through most of the posts, I didn’t have time to read them all today, so excuse me if this was brought up before…

    The season finale is titled “The Looking Glass” I understand that in one context it is referring to the undrwater hatch that is scrambling Rousseau’s radio signals.

    Remember Ben with the white rabbit with the number on it that he shook a few episodes back? (begining of the season).

    Last night, Alex was skinning a white rabbit.

    Looking glass, white rabbit….sounds a bit like Alice in Wonderland to me. I haven’t read the story in quite sometime, so I need to go back and see if there are any other connections between the story and things on the island.

    Is Ben the Mad Hatter? I know that in the book “Through the Looking Glass” (the sequesl to Alice in Wonderland” The Mad Hatter is one of the White Kings (Jacob?) Messengers. Ben seems to think he is some sort of “messenger” for Jacob.

    Does anyone think that Charlie was not supposed to die? Again, sorry if this was mentioned before. All if the other times Charlie was supposed to die, we saw Desmond’s flashback of his impending death. This time we didn’t..do you think Desmond was making it up?

  193. anita says:

    I knew today there would be drastically less comments than last weeks episode, since this episdoe seemed like “pause” during a high speed chase. But then the writers used this to show more character to Charlie. Since we knew he was going to die in previous episodes, viewers subconsciously started disassociated with Charlie, found things about him that we disliked and such to avoid being emotionally hurt. (social psychology research) In this episode we see Charlie for what makes him “human” again to the audience b/c of the flashbacks. Yet, he is still Charlie and messes up the supposed moment of truth to stop the signal scrambling. I mean once he made it in there, there had to be an Other, the way the cameras had Charlie in the foreground and emphasizes that there was nothing so we could notice the presence of someone. If there truly wasn’t anyone there they would have focused on his face. I was screaming at the tv for him to shut up while he was proclaiming “I’m alive!” Cuz I knew an Other would come out screaming.

    The blonde did look familiar.
    I forsee some mother/daughter spark when the Others invade the Losties’ beach. Particularly, this will cause Danielle to miss her cue to shoot?

    I think Rose’s strong character will play a part during the Others’ invasion, the writers brought the cute couple at an appropriate time.

    Sayid realizes Jack is the chosen leader and wants the people’s faith in Jack to endure, that’s why he chooses to stay.

    Goodcatch KatesFriend on linking the top 5 to the current episode.

    I too was hunting the singing in the rain scene for Desmond and was upset when he wasn’t there, but as other have people have brought out it was a different day and doesn’t seem like the Lost writers would make mistakes.

    Okay episode, gave a break for our fight/flight system.

  194. Seajam says:

    Good episode, not a great episode but what I expected.

    Some thoughts: Danielle seen getting the dynamite in the Brig episode reinforces Jack’s statement that Juliet told him at least a few days ago.

    The women in the LG: could be Dharma or hostiles. I think it would be more interesting if they were Dharma remnants. It could account for Ben telling the Others(hostiles) that the station was abandoned. They come out with guns drawn because they suspect that Charlie is an Other.

    To reference post #90 by Getting Lost, Desmond pipes up instantly to volunteer to accompany Charlie to the LG. Also of note, Desmond never says he sees Claire and Aaron getting rescued. That is an inference that Charlie makes. Desmond only says he saw them boarding a helicoptor.

    I think Found hit on something in post #105. Ben returns to camp like a bat out of hell. Whatever he knows and whoever he knows it from (Jacob?), he has a sudden urgency that the beach kidnapping must happen NOW!

    And last, the whole Losties plan doesn’t make sense. I am surprised that Sayid in particular is going along with it. The plan with the dynamite is sound; it makes sense because they know the Others are coming. But I would have sent Charlie and Desmond to the LG to destroy it and then out to sea WITH THE PHONE. In fact, as soon as Charlie came to the surface (remember Jack doesn’t know about the whole Charlie-death thing), Desmond should be dialing that phone! Plus they have the outrigger. Didn’t the polynesians navigate alot further than 80 miles in those things? It’s like half of the plan is sound and the other half doesn’t make sense.

    Also, don’t forget tonight, 10:15 – 11:00pm Eastern is a special. I didn’t see any one else post it so I wanted to remind everyone. Don’t expect too much though…

  195. anita says:

    [quote comment=”59368″]I skimmed through most of the posts, I didn’t have time to read them all today, so excuse me if this was brought up before…

    The season finale is titled “The Looking Glass” I understand that in one context it is referring to the undrwater hatch that is scrambling Rousseau’s radio signals.

    Remember Ben with the white rabbit with the number on it that he shook a few episodes back? (begining of the season).

    Last night, Alex was skinning a white rabbit.

    Looking glass, white rabbit….sounds a bit like Alice in Wonderland to me. I haven’t read the story in quite sometime, so I need to go back and see if there are any other connections between the story and things on the island.

    Is Ben the Mad Hatter? I know that in the book “Through the Looking Glass” (the sequesl to Alice in Wonderland” The Mad Hatter is one of the White Kings (Jacob?) Messengers. Ben seems to think he is some sort of “messenger” for Jacob.

    Does anyone think that Charlie was not supposed to die? Again, sorry if this was mentioned before. All if the other times Charlie was supposed to die, we saw Desmond’s flashback of his impending death. This time we didn’t..do you think Desmond was making it up?[/quote]
    No I don’t think Desmond made it up. Since we got to see from Charlie’s point of view in this episode, we don’t get to see Desmond’s flashbacks to get a feel what its like for Charlie having to hear how he’s going to die.

  196. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”59358″]Someone mentioned that they thought the armed folks in the Looking Glass Hatch were dressed like Naomi.

    I think the second gal out of the door with the rifle was dressed more like Richard Alpert doing his Robin Hood impersonation 30 years back when he met Ben and recruited him.
    Naomi-think – wow she sure recovered fast – it has been only 4 island days since she puncutured her lung – now she’s bouncing around with all her new buddies – she bears considerble watching.[/quote]

    We know the island heals people super fast, so I don’t think it is anything weird.

  197. lost chicka says:

    I’m dying to know who the women in the hatch are! So these might seem a bit crazy.

    does anybody besides me think that the brunnete in the LG looks like Casey (in last week’s ep)? maybe Casey is like Richard & doesn’t age.

    Could the chick with brown hair be Annie? oh, that one would be good. Hmmmm… who else could she be? not nadia, nadia’s face is much more long than the chick in the underwater hatch. cindy, i doubt it, but still a possibility i guess.

    the blonde chick looked familiar. really familiar. who is she? anybody know?

  198. [quote comment=”59362″]could someone share some insight on how the Looking Glass is under the water yet those women were perfectly dry and breathing air???? Is that possible? Is it an air pocket?[/quote]

    I believe it’s the same concept as a moon pool.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_pool

  199. Ems says:

    mmm… my thoughts are that desmond is evil… his last minute change of plans and willingness to sacrifice himself seem very fishy to me. I think he brought charlie out there to swim into the station, making charlie believe that he had died. the bottom of the station was not as he had described… where was the blinking yellow light and the switch? somehow i suspect that desmond is orchestrating something…i should also add that i have no idea what or his motives. it would be a fantastic twist to find out that he was a bad guy… or better yet… THE bad guy.

  200. lost chicka says:

    desmond desmond desmond (i luv sayin there names 3 times!). he is so confusing with Charlie! first he wants to save charlie, then he’s gonna let charlie die, then he changes his mind last minute & saves charlie. last night he’s gonna let charlie die, then last minute he’s like “i’ll take the bullet.” make up your mind dude! either save charlie or let him die!

    and i’m wondering if charlie would die at all, if des wouldn’t tell him or try to make it happen. the possible deaths always seem to be brought on by des, he never lets them play out by themselves. i really wish des wouldn’t have told charlie this week, & see if it would’ve happened anyways.

    how did jack find danielle? she always seems to be out in the middle of the jungle & hard to find. did he purposely get stuck in one of her traps so he could talk with danielle?

    jack has stolkholm syndrome. i can’t see him liking julliette any other way. when he first meets her he’s gonna kill her, and now he’s her best friend? no way is it anything else. thank u Other218 for bringin that up.

  201. Atchon says:

    So about Charlie’s swimming abilities, Desmund is at the same pool as you hear in the background and someone else pointed at. What if previously Charlie had not jumped in the pool, but in the flashback we see he did jump in the pool, and now he can swim.

  202. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”59385″]mmm… my thoughts are that desmond is evil… his last minute change of plans and willingness to sacrifice himself seem very fishy to me. I think he brought charlie out there to swim into the station, making charlie believe that he had died. the bottom of the station was not as he had described… where was the blinking yellow light and the switch? somehow i suspect that desmond is orchestrating something…i should also add that i have no idea what or his motives. it would be a fantastic twist to find out that he was a bad guy… or better yet… THE bad guy.[/quote]

    I was thinking the same thing. We know that Des has been on the island about as long as Juliette, so why wouldn’t he be brainwashed? We don’t know what happened to him between the time he accidentally killed that guy (name escapes me- Clavin?) and the time when the Losties came into the hatch. Maybe he was put in charge of the hatch and promised he could eventually leave like Juliette was. When he turned the key he could have been trying to save the hatch, not help the Losties. Maybe his flashes are messages send by Jacob or Smokie.
    It just seems that if so many are willing to distrust Naomi, Danielle and Juliette because they were not passangers on the plane, they should also mistrust Desmond.

  203. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”59280″][quote comment=”59259″][quote comment=”59251″][quote comment=”59249″]Does anybody know if Naomi gets killed in the next episodes?[/quote]
    Um, that would be considered a spoiler and wouldn’t be discussed here.[/quote]

    don’t you realize that lost chicka’s “insightful” opinions are based on the spoilers?[/quote]
    ________________
    Two Things:

    1. I never said her opinions were “insightful”, rather I usually skip them because she tends to post spoilers, despite her supposed best attempts not to.

    2. Just because some one else posts spoiler related material, despite the rule against it, doesn’t mean other people should too, i.e. you.

    If you want spoiler related info, read another blog.[/quote]

    _________________
    alright, my turn to speak.

    1) my comments are NOT based on spoilers. no. nuh-uh. i like to know who’s episode it is (still don’t see how that’s a spoiler but, whatever).
    2) i’ve already said sorry about spoiler crap i’ve posted on here & saying sorry really kills me so i think i deserve some points for that.
    3) i really try not to post spoilers or talk about episode previews. i know i suck at it, but i suck at following most rules.

    ok. there. now i hope no more crap about that. plenty of other people have brought spoilers & discussion of episode previews on here & don’t take as much heat for it as me. i know, i’ve done it before but like i said i suck at following rules. gimme a break people.

    PS: why does everybody get to talk about walt & michael cumin back? THAT is a spoiler.

  204. MKS says:

    Another thing. When Juliette was recruited the Others made it happen in part by having her ex getting hit by the bus. In a way, they made happen what she wanted to happen.
    When Jack first met Des, they had a conversation in which Jack talked about needing to save a patient (Sarah) and Des told him he could do it- that miracles do happen. Sarah was then miraculously healed (by Jacob?).
    Des is also connected to Penny’s dad and his Co., the time-travel lady, Libby, etc.

  205. [quote comment=”59395″]…PS: why does everybody get to talk about walt & michael cumin back? THAT is a spoiler.[/quote]

    No, that’s a *theory*

  206. Wink1 says:

    Question? Could anyone tell me where Sayid got the map for the underground hatch? I was a bit confused about that one.

  207. MEGAN says:

    [quote comment=”59018″]I have no idea why Charlie had to knock Des out in order to go himself! It wasn’t like Des twisted his arm or insisted, he just peacefully offered to go instead! Couldn’t Charlie just said no, I’m the one who should go?[/quote]

    That’s exactly what I was thinking!

  208. DShsft says:

    Winky: when we first got to meet patchy in “Enter 77” sayid was nosing around in the basement of the flame station and found the documents.

  209. Wink1 says:

    Sorry, I meant underwater hatch or LG or whatever they call it:)

  210. Wink1 says:

    Ohhhh!! Wow, I totally missed that! Thanks DShsft!!!

  211. Wink2 says:

    What I wanna know, is why Charlie/Desmond needed to go to the LG in the first place. Wouldn’t a shooting a stick of dynamite placed underneath that cable have the desired effect??

    I’m sure they have ‘a battery back-up’ or whatever, but when they talked about the LG and the cable, the dynamite immediately sprung to my mind.

  212. Poopypants says:

    [quote comment=”59368″]
    Does anyone think that Charlie was not supposed to die? Again, sorry if this was mentioned before. All if the other times Charlie was supposed to die, we saw Desmond’s flashback of his impending death. This time we didn’t..do you think Desmond was making it up?[/quote]
    ______________________________________________

    – Yes,Des is up to something because we didn’t see his “visions”.I think he’s manulipulating the hard rocking hobbit for his own ends.

    [quote comment=”59169″]Maybe the looking glass is how Dharma and the Others get on and off of the island AKA “The Rabit Hole”. Maybe the Submarine only acts as a shuttle from there to the dock. And the people not in the know get drugged to hide this fact…[/quote]
    _______________________________________________

    – Winner winner chicken dinner,bang on,nicely done.

    -And lastly I leave you with this thought… Juliet totally lied again,she said(to Sayid) the looking glass station was totally flooded and it was not in use anymore,thus trying to prevent the Losties from going down there to shut it down.The reason Ben is all gung-ho now is because Juliet is still feeding him good info,she nees to die now,or sooner,and perhaps “Jack” too,i belive “Jack” has been replaced by a “Badtwin” or has defected to the “others” for good,thoughts?

  213. sayidrocks15 says:

    [quote comment=”59211″]
    Sayid sure was smart to go and get to the bottom of that grave! He should be the leader.

    Sayid is more important than the leader. He is the leader’s mentor/council. At the end of the episode, he told Jack what to do and Jack did it. Jack has the leader personality, but he needs sayid’s instinct and wisdom (can you guess who my fav character is?? haha)

  214. theorynut says:

    Here’s a thought…when Des told Charlie about Claire and Aaron in helicopter, did he for sure indicate it was an actual rescue??? For all we know, they could have been taken in a helicopter as a form of kidnapping by the others. Hum…any thoughts or some clarity? Thanks Fellow Theorists. 🙂

  215. sayidrocks15 says:

    [quote comment=”59433″][quote comment=”59211″]
    Sayid sure was smart to go and get to the bottom of that grave! He should be the leader.

    Sayid is more important than the leader. He is the leader’s mentor/council. At the end of the episode, he told Jack what to do and Jack did it. Jack has the leader personality, but he needs sayid’s instinct and wisdom (can you guess who my fav character is?? haha)[/quote]
    second paragraph was my reply…don’t know why it’s grey??

  216. mel says:

    maybe the reason ben is in such a rush to get the preg women, is that he knows he only has a limmited time before locke is better and able to come and blow his cover.

  217. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”59373″]
    [quote comment=”59358″]
    Naomi-think – wow she sure recovered fast – it has been only 4 island days since she puncutured her lung – now she’s bouncing around with all her new buddies – she bears considerble watching.
    [/quote]
    We know the island heals people super fast, so I don’t think it is anything weird.
    [/quote]
    ——–
    Not saying she didn’t heal quickly, just saying the writers usually make a big deal of pointing it out to us. Not everyone heals quickly. Not talking about the fatally injured, but folks like Sawyer – he was down/out for weeks with his infected gunshot wound. the island made effort on him. I think the island heals selectively – Naomi could be one of the
    ‘selected’ ones, ala Locke.

  218. MKS says:

    -And lastly I leave you with this thought… Juliet totally lied again,she said(to Sayid) the looking glass station was totally flooded and it was not in use anymore,thus trying to prevent the Losties from going down there to shut it down.The reason Ben is all gung-ho now is because Juliet is still feeding him good info,she nees to die now,or sooner,and perhaps “Jack” too,i belive “Jack” has been replaced by a “Badtwin” or has defected to the “others” for good,thoughts?[/quote]
    ____________________________________
    I don’t think she necesserilly lied. She said that as far as she knew it was flooded. I don’t think she was given too much info. Ben only involved her when it came to medical research. Besides, why didn’t Desmond say anything about there being people in the LG?

  219. Other 218 says:

    [quote comment=”59415″]Question? Could anyone tell me where Sayid got the map for the underground hatch? I was a bit confused about that one.
    [/quote]
    Fairly sure they grabbed a bunch of tech manuals just before they blasted Mikhails’ Comm Station. They’ve referred to similiar documents from that place since they torched it about 10-12 episodes ago.

  220. Mark Jensen says:

    In the end of the episode in the Looking Glass-station, didn’t one of the two women look like that girl both Saywer and Kate knew pre-crash. Forgot her name.

    Another thing: How can Mikhail have been speaking with the “real world,” when there is a station jamming such signals? – Does this mean that the showing of Juliet’s sister was fraud?

  221. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”59452″]In the end of the episode in the Looking Glass-station, didn’t one of the two women look like that girl both Saywer and Kate knew pre-crash. Forgot her name.

    Another thing: How can Mikhail have been speaking with the “real world,” when there is a station jamming such signals? – Does this mean that the showing of Juliet’s sister was fraud?[/quote]
    I think they meant that all incoming and outgoing signals are filtered through the LG station. Therefore, they can let in what they want, but can stil block Danielle’s signal.

  222. Bobola says:

    Yeah! What I was thinking; couldn’t they spare some dynamite to mess up the Looking Glass?
    Also; the girls there are dry because they came on the sub? Man, they look spooky…
    and it seems almost no one else thinks Charlie is an idiot for yelling when he got inside (yes, yes, also heroic). And about him holding his breathe for 4 min. Not believable; almost no one can do that and certainly not an ex-junkie Rock Star who has been a party guy. Well, maybe he was doing Yoga at the beach in his spare time. Or Tantric sex with Claire? (Sting’s influence?)

    How the Looking Glass gets freah air is a problem but maybe that cable is hollow and is the air supply…all the more reason to cut it.
    Why didn’t someone think to put that handgun into a plastic bag and take it along to the Looking Glass…not good planning. Sorry, but I won’t miss Charlie if that happens but I would miss Locke big time. When he wailed on patchy I was laughing and I don’t even like to watch boxing. That’s one dangerous guy. I’m sure they will deeply regret letting him go.
    I was starting to trust Juliet but hmmmm….is she really that enamored of Jack and no longer believes that Ben will get her passage off the island. I predict we will see a total surprise in the betrayal dept. with someone not under suspicion now…Hurley? HA. That would be a stunner!

    I think the plan to blow up the tents is GREAT! What else can they do. With some camo they could hunker down and wait…pre-aim the guns in the right position and see the Others Blowed up real good. Buried in foxholes they would be hard to hit too.
    Sayid must know some other good tricks to like the Viet Cong used in jungles; pungi sticks in traps…must be some bamboo around? Is Jin doing anything useful?…he knows some fighting techniques so let’s hope he sees a little action. OR maybe HE’S the secret traitor? Probably specks English perfectly besides 4 other languages. Jeeez, this show has me paranoid!
    What are gonna do with Charlie’s guitar after he gets it from the Amazons? (If he does) I got dibbs.
    Jack just seems way to emotional for a Doctor. Sayid shold just tell him his tenure as leader is up.
    Looks like some heavy shit coming up next week.

  223. A.M. says:

    What happened in the time between the Darhma purge and the present-day island? Ben had been just another one of the hostiles, so how did he become such an influential leader? And what happened with his relationship with Alpert? Unless I missed something, Alpert basically rescued Ben from Darhma. Now he(Alpert) is taking orders from him(Ben).

    Its interesting that the more irrational Ben gets, the more others are losing faith in him. First it was just Juliet, and then it progressed to Alex (his own daughter…) and Carl. And when Ben announced his new plan to kill the losties, there was obvious hesitation from several of his own people. This may be the first time that he is not in control of the situation at hand.

    And the whole Naomi issue is very strange. Part of me wants to think that she is not an other (she almost died upon arrival), but she is also way to calm and curious to simply be a stranger.

  224. Mark says:

    “Because baby, you’re gonna be the one that saves me,
    And after all, you’re my Wunderwall…”

    You can see that the desire of Charlie’s heart is always to save someone (even if it is himself at times). He tried for so long to get his brother clean and eventually succeeded, saving Jack from the cave, desiring to rescue Claire in the water and Aaron another time, saving Nadia from being mugged – he’s got a saviour-complex. He really believes that he should be the one to do it, or die trying… he really is lovable in the best sense of the word. I have no idea what’s going to happen to him.

    Jack also wants to be in on action instead of leading the troops. He’d rather see the look on the Other’s faces when they’re blown to kingdom come than protect the rest of the group. Jack isn’t being untrustworthy; he’s just confused and frustrated that no-one trusts him and he has to prove himself all over again. (Watch me eat my words if Juliette turns out to be the devil).

    I disagree with anyone who says this episode was poor. That’s insulting to the writers who have done an awesome job setting things up and threading them through the season. The play with us like puppets! And they’re gooood. They even knew that everyone wanted Rose & Bernard back. Props. And if you didn’t read spoilers and didn’t see the Looking Glass coming, it was a real treat.

    I also wonder if Des is going to lose his ‘special ability’ after getting hit too many times?

    Looking forward to what’s coming next…

  225. Mark Jensen says:

    #85:

    They made two albums. A self-titled debut and one called “Oil Change.” Locke mentions so in season one.. Think it was the episode “The Moth” or the one before that.

  226. mommc07 says:

    Okay..I just watched last night’s episode and Charlie has to die because of the “Looking Glass Hatch” has to be disabled by him swimming to it and flipping a switch. Why in the world does he have to go in there… they’ve got the location of the cable! Cut the darn cable instead of risking Charlie or anyone’s life!!! Is this too simple an idea that they neglected it?????

  227. katesFriend says:

    about des and charlie, des had 2 choices when he saw charlie dying in his flashes 1, tell charlie about each one and try to stop it or 2, not tell charlie and just see if it really happens or not, w/ out des taking charlie to the place it is supposed to happen

    des obviously chose 1, and it worked, he has saved his life 3 times

    so he would of course keep going w/ that method, cuz if he tried something new, charlie might die

  228. Gembird22 says:

    Alright, I came on here to see what other Losties thought. My only question/comment is: everybody here is fishy about Desmond because we didn’t see his visions this time. While I agree that he was a little confusing with his “you have to die” “no, nevermind I’ll take the bullet” in the episode, remember we did NOT see any of his visions when Charlie was supposed to die with the lightning or drowning by trying to save Claire. The only “Charlie death” visions we, the viewer, got to see was the sequence with Hurley and Jin and the cable and one of Rousseau’s traps.

  229. mommc07 says:

    “I think that Ben’s idea to ambush the lostites camp for the preggo women and Kill anyone who gets in the way is All his idea and NOT Jacob’s”

    My take on Ben/Jacob thing is that his history of his birthing, his mom dying ’cause she gave birth to him early has everything to do with this person Jacob. My suspicion is that Ben is one of those special people (the other is Locke) that the invisible entity of the island has enabled Ben’s power but has split his personality into two Ben, the one we see and the suppressed invisible Jacob who cried out “Help Me” on the last episode. Get it? The bad personality suffering is Ben, who hates himself and doesn’t ever want any pregnant women or child to be born and suffer the ordeal he lived (to be blamed for his mother’s death) or maybe he wants to punish all pregnant women and unborn child and his power is only enabled/controlled by those pregnancies conceived on the island. Just a thought…I hope this is not a spoiler… this is just my take on the whole Ben birthing and pregnancy issues.

  230. blimblam says:

    Thoughts:

    1) New leaders vote: Sayid and Rose. Both are level headed and confident within themselves. They are real about their limitations/personal quirks without becoming emotionally entangled in every “drama” that unfolds. I think Rose is a true survivor in all senses of the word. She’s grounded and strong. Sayid is one of my favorite characters. A strong man with no delusions about himself. He makes decisions based on the big picture rather than looking at things in the emotion of the moment for the most part. I LOVED the way he treated Shannon… wow!! A gentleman and a romantic in so many ways & able to do so without losing his leadership qualities among the other men. I very much admired his ability to see through Shannon’s selfishness and bring out some awesome qualities in her. (Awesome writing job by the creators!!)

    So far if I found myself as a Lostie… I would definitely align myself with Sayid and in the “downtimes” I’d be asking him to teach me some survival and strategy skills for sure. I’d also befriend Rose because she has her head screwed on straight and is an extremely valuable asset to the group. She’s not looking for power, glory, or quick and easy answers. She takes what comes and makes it work not only for herself but for the group as a whole (for anyone Lostie smart enough to pay attention!) I also LOVE the way she loves her hubby!

    Good on the writers and creators for having the depth to create these two characters. Much of their personality traits have value not only to the show but to the audience in many subtle but strong ways.

    2) Wow!!! Charlie…….. my only wish is that we wouldn’t have had to wait so long to see these different sides of Charlie. He has many more facets and strengths than we’ve been shown before and last night my admiration of this character increased 10 fold! I want to know more!!

  231. Becky says:

    [quote comment=”59460″]Yeah! What I was thinking; couldn’t they spare some dynamite to mess up the Looking Glass?
    Also; the girls there are dry because they came on the sub? Man, they look spooky…
    and it seems almost no one else thinks Charlie is an idiot for yelling when he got inside (yes, yes, also heroic). And about him holding his breathe for 4 min. Not believable; almost no one can do that and certainly not an ex-junkie Rock Star who has been a party guy. Well, maybe he was doing Yoga at the beach in his spare time. Or Tantric sex with Claire? (Sting’s influence?)

    How the Looking Glass gets freah air is a problem but maybe that cable is hollow and is the air supply…all the more reason to cut it.
    Why didn’t someone think to put that handgun into a plastic bag and take it along to the Looking Glass…not good planning. Sorry, but I won’t miss Charlie if that happens but I would miss Locke big time. When he wailed on patchy I was laughing and I don’t even like to watch boxing. That’s one dangerous guy. I’m sure they will deeply regret letting him go.
    I was starting to trust Juliet but hmmmm….is she really that enamored of Jack and no longer believes that Ben will get her passage off the island. I predict we will see a total surprise in the betrayal dept. with someone not under suspicion now…Hurley? HA. That would be a stunner!

    I think the plan to blow up the tents is GREAT! What else can they do. With some camo they could hunker down and wait…pre-aim the guns in the right position and see the Others Blowed up real good. Buried in foxholes they would be hard to hit too.
    Sayid must know some other good tricks to like the Viet Cong used in jungles; pungi sticks in traps…must be some bamboo around? Is Jin doing anything useful?…he knows some fighting techniques so let’s hope he sees a little action. OR maybe HE’S the secret traitor? Probably specks English perfectly besides 4 other languages. Jeeez, this show has me paranoid!
    What are gonna do with Charlie’s guitar after he gets it from the Amazons? (If he does) I got dibbs.
    Jack just seems way to emotional for a Doctor. Sayid shold just tell him his tenure as leader is up.
    Looks like some heavy shit coming up next week.[/quote]
    Claire and Charlie barely kiss let alone be intimate! come on!

  232. Will says:

    [quote comment=”59436″]Here’s a thought…when Des told Charlie about Claire and Aaron in helicopter, did he for sure indicate it was an actual rescue??? For all we know, they could have been taken in a helicopter as a form of kidnapping by the others. Hum…any thoughts or some clarity? Thanks Fellow Theorists. :)[/quote]
    TheoryNut, if we take that one step further, you could assume that Desmond was implying to Charlie that Claire and Aaron would be rescued, but the only way that could happen is if Charlie went on this suicide mission.

    If he was manipulating Charlie then he did it in a way to play on Charlie’s need to be a hero and his love for Claire. It is also possible that Desmond very likely knew that even if he put up the fight at the last minute in the boat, Charlie would knock him out and take his place.

  233. DShsft says:

    WDTJCTC (Why didn’t they just cut the cable?)

    Please use this acronym for all the repetitive posts.

    And, please don’t type out long paragraphs of blather, or quote said blather when responding.

  234. theorynut says:

    [quote comment=”59530″][quote comment=”59436″]Here’s a thought…when Des told Charlie about Claire and Aaron in helicopter, did he for sure indicate it was an actual rescue??? For all we know, they could have been taken in a helicopter as a form of kidnapping by the others. Hum…any thoughts or some clarity? Thanks Fellow Theorists. :)[/quote]
    TheoryNut, if we take that one step further, you could assume that Desmond was implying to Charlie that Claire and Aaron would be rescued, but the only way that could happen is if Charlie went on this suicide mission.

    If he was manipulating Charlie then he did it in a way to play on Charlie’s need to be a hero and his love for Claire. It is also possible that Desmond very likely knew that even if he put up the fight at the last minute in the boat, Charlie would knock him out and take his place.[/quote]

    Thanks..my brain is really starting to hurt. 🙂 Can’t wait til the finale.

  235. losty says:

    Charlie has always been one of my favorite characters and recent talk of his iminent death has worried me. But after tonights flashbacks I want him to die!

    I live in Manchester UK half a mile away from where Dominic was raised and the accents of his brother Liam and his father were absolutely awful. To us viewers in the UK it ruins the show when “Liam” and “Dad” have american (sometime Scotttish) accents. Also young charlie and liam sounded Australian.

  236. Gembird22 says:

    [quote comment=”59559″]Charlie has always been one of my favorite characters and recent talk of his iminent death has worried me. But after tonights flashbacks I want him to die!

    I live in Manchester UK half a mile away from where Dominic was raised and the accents of his brother Liam and his father were absolutely awful. To us viewers in the UK it ruins the show when “Liam” and “Dad” have american (sometime Scotttish) accents. Also young charlie and liam sounded Australian.[/quote]

    You hate Charlie because of an accent foible? Wow, harsh.

  237. Gembird22 says:

    Well, maybe not hate, but you want him to die?

  238. Misskim says:

    I appreciate the “Alice in Wonderland” theories for “The Looking Glass”…..I wonder if it could have a different meaning…Here’s something kind of interesting…”The Looking Glass” is also an interactionist social concept. Interactionists want to understand each individual and how they act within society. Interactionist theory has grown in the latter half of the twentieth century, having its roots in America. It’s premise is that the individual has the power to change society and history from below, rather than being manipulated from above. In the world of sociology, it is a theory which studies individuals and how they act within society. “The Looking Glass Self” is a theory which is based on three principles: 1.We imagine how we must appear to others. 2.We imagine the judgment of that appearance. 3.We develop our self through the judgments of others. Some of the studies of this theory used children as the subjects. Two different conditions of the experiment were self-awareness manipulation and individuation manipulation. This is my first post–I’d be interested in feedback. Sorry if this has been mentioned before…..if it has, I haven’t seen it.

  239. lost chicka says:

    [quote comment=”59559″]Charlie has always been one of my favorite characters and recent talk of his iminent death has worried me. But after tonights flashbacks I want him to die!

    I live in Manchester UK half a mile away from where Dominic was raised and the accents of his brother Liam and his father were absolutely awful. To us viewers in the UK it ruins the show when “Liam” and “Dad” have american (sometime Scotttish) accents. Also young charlie and liam sounded Australian.[/quote]

    wow. i guess u Brits are really serious about u’r accents. 🙂 as an American “Liam” “Dad” and “Charlie” all have what i think would be a “Brittish Accent”. but i get what u’r sayin. if somebody was supposed to be from Boston & had a Southern accent i’d be pretty disgusted too.

  240. Harold says:

    One of the women watching Charlie play the guitar before he stopped the mugging was Naomi!!

  241. lost chicka says:

    3 Things:

    1) now i’m trying to figure naomi out. if her story is true: i jump out of my helicoptor & puncture my lungs. some dude with a patch pulls the stick out of my lung & tells me i’ll heel in a day. i find out that there are survivors from a plane crash that i have been told are all dead. i’m going to be very curious. i’m going to be trying to remember pictures i saw on the news & see if they are liars. i’ll be askin them a heck of a lot of questions about who they are & how they got to the island. naomi is acting like how i imagine a person would be acting BUT she doesn’t seem to concerned with desmond (which is supposedly why she’s there), she doesn’t seem to care about the other person in the helicoptor (she did mention another person in there with her right?), i would also want to know who the man with the eyepatch is. those and some other things about her just don’t seem to be adding up.

    2) i think Jack has that stockolm syndrome or whatever it’s called & that is why he’s helping the others. he’s been with the others for to long. why else would he go from “i’m gonna let u die, but first i’ll tell u how miserable it’ll be” to “r u ready for some football?”??? if u have any ideas other than “evil twin” i’ll take it. if somebody has an “evil twin” lost will officially becom a soap opera.

    3) After this episode i don’t want them to kill Charlie, so i’m goin crazy trying to figure out how he could survive. I wonder if any of Desmonds visions would cum true if he didn’t meddle with them. He’s always getting in the way of them happening or telling Charlie what’ll happen. I wonder if since Charlie is doing what Des told him to do, he’ll live.

  242. Other 218 says:

    Will/Nick: How come we did not get a separate blog for tonights’ LOST – The Answers episode (S3E27)?

  243. marco says:

    i think that desmond has been having the flashes about charlie because he was meant to keep him alive so that charlie could flip that switch that would allow everyone to get rescued!
    although now as desmond had a change of heart, he knows what is going to happen to charlie and so will dive in and try to rescue him! i wouldnt be surprised if it was desmond that was the main character to die next week! although that would be a bit rubbish because he is by far one of the best characters!
    all in all the episode was quite a good one! alot of people have been saying it was complete and utter rubbish but i think it set things up nicely for the season finale! what else can we expect from an episode before the season finale? theyre obviously going to save all the juicy stuff for the 2 hour special next week!
    cannot wait!!!

  244. Patty says:

    [quote comment=”59559″]the accents of his brother Liam and his father were absolutely awful. To us viewers in the UK it ruins the show when “Liam” and “Dad” have american (sometime Scotttish) accents. Also young charlie and liam sounded Australian.[/quote]

    So glad someone else commented on that – it’s not exactly important in the grand scheme of lost but, man, it was pretty cringey like irish/scottish/aussie all rolled into one – maybe they’re related to Desmond’s ex (Ruth?), they sounded like they were from the same place where ever that may be!

    Anyhoo – Just a question I have if someone can answer, isn’t Sayid the only one of the original Losties who hasn’t had a flashback explaining why he was in australia in the first place? I find that a bit odd….

  245. Totally says:

    [quote comment=”59107″]Does no one think that it was Desmond’s plan all along to go down for Charlie? That he knew what was down there?[/quote]

    I’m with you. We did not see Desmond’s vision this time. Maybe he was making it up. If so, what was his plan? We know a lot about Desmond, but there is a lot we don’t know, especially during the years he was on the island before the 815 crash.

    If you’re skeptical like me and think Desmond didn’t volunteer to take Charlie’s place purely for Charlie’s sake, why do you think he did it?

  246. Wingman says:

    Could it be Ben’s mistrust of Juliet that already had him thinking about a contingency to move the raid up? The explanation for Locke getting the tape recorder has yet to be explained and the only decent evidence we have is that Ben may have purposely let Locke hear and see the recorder while in tent from “The Brig”…

    Additionally Jack is a master at Alpha Dog and it was good to see him and Sayid work thru their deiffereces a bit…Jack brought bad-a$$ back like Timberlake in this episode…

    Finally, “Greatest Hits” proved to be a great name for this ep…It kinda made me shake my head at first, but wound up being quite fitting…Maybe Desmond being clobbered was the “greatest hit”^^ I’m thinking Dez (In his time-flashes) saw that he was gonna HAVE TO BAIT Charlie into diving by offering himself as a martyr…

    Dez -“It has to happen exactly as I picture it…”

  247. mizz_l says:

    [quote comment=”59023″]The store across the way when Charlie is singing is called Underground.[/quote]

    Covent Garden Underground — this is just the subway in London. But, yes, funny they chose to show him in front of the tube (underground) station.

  248. AppleEye says:

    Thursday Nights episode discussion @ http://www.lostblog.net/lost/tv/show/lost-the-answers

  249. spiralturtle says:

    [quote comment=”59343″]1- I don’t believe Naomi is an Other. I do believe she was send by Penny and has no idea about the whole Losties vs. Others ordeal.
    2- Ben is not doing what Jacob wants him to do. He is holding Jacob trapped inside that magic ring. He has been on a power trip for a while and is coming unglued because his control is slipping.
    3- The Others are starting to doubt Ben because his orders and plans are no longer serving the big picture, but are motivated bu Ben’s own personal ambitions. They can also see that the island is no longer healing Ben.
    4- Sayid send Jack away because Jack does not have experience with guns, unlike Sayid and some other people. He is of no use on the beach. Sayid is thinking like a military strategizer, Jack is making in personal.
    5- I do not think that Juliette is going to betray our Losties. I think she will betray Ben. I don’t know why I trust her, but I do.[/quote]

    I agree with all except #5 — Juliet still seems untrustworthy to me.

    As for # 1 — I totally agree, and I wonder if when (if) Locke heals, he makes another visit to Jacob’s cabin?

  250. Ellie says:

    Long time reader, first time poster. This is one of the better Lost sites I think. Everybody always has great comments. Anyways…

    I don’t think that Desmond lied about what would happen to Charlie. We didn’t see Desmond’s flashes because this was Charlie’s episode.

    This episode wasn’t the best one, but it was a good episode. By the end of the show I had changed my mind about Charlie dying.

    Misskim’s comment (#239) about the Looking Glass is really good. It could possibly be what The Others are doing with the children.

  251. [quote comment=”59841″]…As for # 1 — I totally agree, and I wonder if when (if) Locke heals, he makes another visit to Jacob’s cabin?[/quote]

    I think he *will* heal and I think he will visit Jacob again.
    I also think Smokey might play a part in either Locke’s healing, or Locke’s return visit to Jacob.

  252. Utterly Lost says:

    [quote comment=”59559″]Charlie has always been one of my favorite characters and recent talk of his iminent death has worried me. But after tonights flashbacks I want him to die!

    I live in Manchester UK half a mile away from where Dominic was raised and the accents of his brother Liam and his father were absolutely awful. To us viewers in the UK it ruins the show when “Liam” and “Dad” have american (sometime Scotttish) accents. Also young charlie and liam sounded Australian.[/quote]

    I don’t know if I’d hate an entire character for making such a mistake – though I can relate. Being from the Boston area, I get very irritated when actor’s attempt (and fail) at doing a Boston accent. It takes me right out of the scene.

  253. MKS says:

    A looking glass is also an older term for a mirror. Mirrors have been used in literature and mythology of every continent. They are said to posses many powers such as,
    -secret gateways to other worlds
    -reflections of the true self (in many works you see your “true” face, or no reflection at all)
    -sources of power
    -windows into other far off places and worlds
    -symbols of infinity
    -traps for people’s souls
    -ways to manifest thoughts and desires
    -bad luck (if you break one)
    -means of control
    I think all of these could be applied to Lost.

  254. Seajam says:

    WARNING: Bottom of the post discusses the Lost Experience from last summer. I don’t know if that’s allowed or not so I’m prefacing the post this way! Now on to the post.

    After reading Mommc07’s post #230, I was left with the idea that Ben could give a damn about solving the fertility problem on the island. Why would he care? He had hostiles who either live forever or a very long time and he was able to bring people on to the island from the outside world. Why would he need babies?

    That reminded me of Jack’s comment to Kate when he met her at the Others’ village. When she asked about the children, he responded with the usual Other line to the effect of “they’re safe/in a better place/etc.” No matter what we think of him, there is at least one thing that he is holding back. That doesn’t make him a turncoat per se, but he knows more than he has told.

    I don’t know if we can discuss the Lost Experience from last summer here or not (spoilerish maybe as it wasn’t seen on television?). So without giving too much of that away, what if Ben and the Others have succeeded in changing the outcomes of the equation and that’s why they want everyone else to stay away? Or maybe they’ve (to contradict my own comment above) solved it all except for the births and Ben really is trying to solve it?

  255. XR15 says:

    [quote comment=”59849″]Long time reader, first time poster. This is one of the better Lost sites I think. Everybody always has great comments. Anyways…

    I don’t think that Desmond lied about what would happen to Charlie. We didn’t see Desmond’s flashes because this was Charlie’s episode.

    This episode wasn’t the best one, but it was a good episode. By the end of the show I had changed my mind about Charlie dying.

    Misskim’s comment (#239) about the Looking Glass is really good. It could possibly be what The Others are doing with the children.[/quote]

    Good points, Ellie–all three times! 😉

    I think you are right on the money with the comment about why we didn’t see Desmond’s “flash” this time. That said, I still get the feeling that he isn’t telling Charlie the whole story.

    To the viewers from the UK whose ears hurt from the mangled accents, I feel for you. Although she hides her Canadian accent well, Kate has lapses that make me say “She doesn’t sound like an Iowa farm girl!” And, even I was disturbed by Young Charlie’s non-British accent.

  256. Wm I says:

    Just a few expectations: Theories, not spoilers

    1. Richard will come up with his own plan on how to deal with Ben and his forthcoming battle against the Losties. I agree w/ earlier post that Richard is the real power on the Island and that he can manifest himself in the form of Smokey at will.

    2. Locke will reappear, but not until next season.

    3. The Finale will leave us w/ many questions unanswered. There are soooo many issues to resolve, they couldn’t possibly settle much in 2 hrs.

    4. Danielle and Alex will be reunited and join the Losties during the Finale.

    5. The time-warp phenomenon will stun us ALL at the end of the Finale when the Others are seen back at their camp AFTER the battle, as if it had NOT happened yet. “Nothing stays buried on this Island” was a HUGE clue.

  257. i think charlie’s ring will get blasted away with dynamite and then resurface some time later.

    i think been is telepathic…that’s how he made the volcano rumble before the hostiles situation, that’s why he hates the book Carrie, and i think he knows the losties are scheming something…that’s why he wants to go ahead of schedule.

    if he really wanted to kill locke, he would’ve seemed happy; he wouldn’t come back all fuming and pissed. (maybe he had a vision on the way back? about the losties’ plan?) i thought it was interesting when alex asked, “where’s locke?” and his reply was “here’s your gun back.”

    i’m not sure who’s side juliet is on. i know she really just wants off the island, and i don’t even know if she HAS a side. she’s probably playing every one.

    maybe he suspects juliet told them, and that’s why he wants to go early.

    correct me if i’m wrong, but they didn’t show us desmond’s vision of claire in the chopper, right? i think that’s interesting considering we’ve [presumably] seen all of his other visions.

  258. Ainesey says:

    Patty:

    Regarding why Sayid was in Australia, he was working with the government to catch a terrorist living in Australia that he went to school with. It was season 1 episode called “The Greater Good”

  259. sorry to repeat about desmond’s visions…i’m still reading the last 30 comments before mine; i gotta run soon 🙂

  260. Ainesey says:

    You know I did find it odd that we didn’t see Desmond’s vision this time… then I realized… we only saw it ONCE out of 4 visions he has mentioned: the last one, which was the arrow through the neck. Otherwise 1. the the tent was to get electrocuted 2.the time he drowned to save claire 3. the time he banged his head against the rocks to catch the bird for claire 4. this current vision of flipping the switch and dying. It is weird how I (and alot of people) thought it was weird we didn’t see Desmond’s vision this time, when we always had. But the arrow was the ONLY one we saw it.

    Also, regarding the comments about blowing up or cutting the cable instead of swimming down to flip the switch… the map said it was an “anchor cable” so it doesn’t appear that destroying the cable would disable the jamming device as it was simply an anchor.

  261. Ainesey says:

    Sorry *5* visions Desmond has had

  262. Ellie says:

    I hope Locke will show up sometime next week. But we’ll probably have to wait till season 4 to see if he’s dead or alive.

    I think Desmond was telling the truth to Charlie about how he would/could die. Desmond has never lied to Charlie before about how he would/could die.

    Juliet has probably been with the Others the whole time, but now that Naomi’s there she’s re-thinking her game plan. All Juliet wants is to get off the island and if Naomi can get her off, she’ll use Naomi.

    Before “Greatest Hits”, I’ve always thought that Ben is one step ahead of everybody else. But I think this episode proved that he isn’t. Ben will probably find a way to manipulate the situation though.

  263. Hurley's Dad says:

    Charlie’s yelling

    Remember, he doesn’t know he’s part of a TV show! If I had sacraficed myself and was prepared to die, when I didn’t (with no one visable around him) I’d be pretty happy too! Screaming my bloody head off, as they say. 🙂

  264. Hurley's Dad says:

    Desmond @ the pool

    Another child’s voice:
    11:14: c’mon, let’s go
    11:17: hurry up
    11:20: Desmond, c’mon
    11:25:

    It leads one to think there will be a (probably) Desmond flashback as a child at that pool as he and Charlie are roughly the same age and are both from the UK.

    It also lead me to remember something. Desmond is one of the few characters left that doesn’t have a Daddy issue, mostly because we haven’t met his parents yet. Is it possible he and Charlie have the same Dad and don’t know it?

    In “Flashes Before Your Eyes”, when Desmond meets Charlie on the corner, this is the dialogue (per Lostpedia).

    D: I know you? How do I know you?
    C [ignoring Desmond]: Thank you, you can leave your number if you want.
    D: How do I know you?
    C: I don’t, uh…
    D: Where do I know you from?
    C: Look, I don’t know, but I’ll remember if I could get some help.

    Everyone to date thinks (I did too) this is because of a time travel issue, that Desmond “remembers” him from the island. What if he remembers him from his childhood instead?

  265. Hurley's Dad says:

    Cable cutting
    Although cutting the cable isn’t a bad idea, I’m surprised by how many people “know” that would have fixed the issue. What exactly are they going to cut it with? The wire cutters (Jin’s handcuff) were in the hatch. They could’ve used dynomite, but that would take time and resources, which they don’t have either.

    Sayid said there was a moonpool to go through, “big enough for a submarine”. Des and Charlie were the only two that thought he was in mortal danger by swimming there.

  266. Hurley's Dad says:

    OK..the cable cutting one….just relistened to that part of GH. Sayid and Jack do consider it a suicide missing, so I was incorrect about no one thinking it was dangerous.

  267. tsheskin says:

    sorry to waste a post but i just have to give Kudos to all of you, I love reading your theories you’ve made this my favorite lost site!

  268. desmondo says:

    Hey Hurley’s Dad,

    Although we haven’t seen Desmond interact with his father, we have seen him interact with Penny’s.

  269. Wm I says:

    Whoever picked up the “Desmond” at the pool part of the dialog was pretty sharp, I’ll have to replay. Hurley’s Dad found the actual dialog (Comment 265) and now I see those two keep “running into each other” throughout their lives (pool+street corner+Island),thanks.

    BTW: Desmond & Charlie/Damon & Carlton/D & C
    Have the producers been reunited during their lives?

  270. Ro-zgee says:

    [quote comment=”59499″]
    My take on Ben/Jacob thing is that his history of his birthing, his mom dying ’cause she gave birth to him early has everything to do with this person Jacob. My suspicion is that Ben is one of those special people (the other is Locke) that the invisible entity of the island has enabled Ben’s power but has split his personality into two Ben, the one we see and the suppressed invisible Jacob who cried out “Help Me” on the last episode. Get it? The bad personality suffering is Ben, who hates himself and doesn’t ever want any pregnant women or child to be born and suffer the ordeal he lived (to be blamed for his mother’s death) or maybe he wants to punish all pregnant women and unborn child and his power is only enabled/controlled by those pregnancies conceived on the island. Just a thought…I hope this is not a spoiler… this is just my take on the whole Ben birthing and pregnancy issues.[/quote]
    mommc07 I also think Ben has everything to do with the fact that pregnant women die during pregnancy – just like his mother and my guess is just like his wife, Annie. I thought maybe his guilt is making it happen but I also really like your the idea that it is his evil twin, Jacob that manifests the guilt into a disease. So, here’s a fertility experiment – kill Ben, Sun lives to give birth??

  271. Ro-zgee says:

    Don’t think this has been mentioned yet but I just watched the episode again, and it hit me that the “DS” ring just doesn’t look like something that was handed down a few generations – an antique ring wouldn’t have such modern design. It totally looks like a “drive Shaft” band ring – something that every band member would have. Seems a big miss for the writers.
    Also have to say I had almost come to terms with Charlie having to die and all, but the brilliant writing and character development of this show just had me in tears watching the show again…he once again became a character that you admire and can empathize with – what a show!!!

  272. Ellie says:

    Desmond was/is trying to get his honor back (why he went on the race around the world). He said that he wasn’t good enough for Penny. He wants/needs to prove himself.

    Maybe Desmond’s daddy issue is his father treated him like crap and told him he wasn’t worth a dime. Desmond just wants to prove him wrong now, but he keeps meeting people who remind him of his daddy issues (Mr. Widmore).

    Just an idea for what Desmond’s daddy issue might be. Nobody can really say that their theory about Desmond’s daddy issue is right as we haven’t had the chance to really find out about Desmond’s father, but I thought I’d put mine out there.

  273. Ainesey says:

    Ellie:

    Only thing I think we ever heard of Desmond’s father was that Desmond was left taking care of his brothers after something happened to his dad…he died, got sick, left? I don’t remember if they said. But it was something that happened to his father that Des was left to take care of his brothers

  274. Toeknee says:

    A few comments after watching this episode a second time:

    1. Near the beginning, after Charlie talks about openness, in reference to Jack’s time with the Others he says, “We weren’t out there playing football with them.” Maybe this is unimportant at this point, but it is another example of the characters discussing certain events off-screen (i.e., Sayid or Kate must have told the other Losties what they saw at the Barracks). One of the common criticisms of the show, especially earlier this season, has been, “Why don’t the characters tell each other what’s been happening?”

    2. RE: seajam (#195) and theorynut (#215) and whether or not Desmond’s vision was of a rescue helicopter….Desmond says he sees Claire and Aaron get on a helicopter and leave the island. Charlie asks, “A rescue helicopter?”, and Desmond nods his head. So Desmond never uttered the words “rescue helicopter”, but he confirmed that that is what he saw.

    3. One of my biggest pet peeves with this show is how they replay certain scenes, like in this episode, the scene with Karl running through the jungle and getting on the boat. I wish they wouldn’t do that. Sure, it was only 5 or 10 seconds or so, but I would much rather have had 5 or 10 more seconds of conversation between Ben & Alpert, or Ben & Alex, or Jack & Juliet, or Jack & Sayid, or…….

    4. RE: Harold’s comment (#241) about Naomi watching Charlie playing guitar in the flashback. A few other people have already stated that she was not in that scene, and I agree – none of the spectators look remotely like Naomi.

    5. The funniest line of the episode…after Karl arrives on the beach and tells them what Juliet is up to, Juliet says, “They know, Karl, but thanks!” I was cracking up – Elizabeth Mitchell delivered that perfectly, like she was sincerely grateful, even though Karl was ratting her out.

    6. Second funniest line, although I don’t think it was intended as the double entendre that I took it as: Rose to Bernard, “Let’s get you into something dark.”

  275. amnesiascope says:

    my favorite line in the episode has to be naomi asking charlie “are you having a laugh?”

    nice tribute to ricky gervais.

  276. Patty says:

    [quote comment=”59969″]Patty:

    Regarding why Sayid was in Australia, he was working with the government to catch a terrorist living in Australia that he went to school with. It was season 1 episode called “The Greater Good”[/quote]

    Cheers – I’ll need to watch that again

  277. Wm I says:

    For those who love Charlie:

    Given the title of the season finale (Through the Looking Glass), my “vision” is that Charlie will somehow catch or throw those two ladies off guard and put himself into the “Star Trek like – transporter” that is down there and “beam” himself back to Portland, where he will emerge back in the “real world” at the compound where Julliette was drugged and “beamed” to the Island. What Charlie doesn’t know is that he should have been drugged (that’s why Richard & Ethan look “spaced out” from too mant trips) to endure the “ride” through the portal/wormhole and will emerge unconscious or asleep. This will be shown towards the end of the finale. Then, next season we will find out he has recovered and managed to escape the compound, gets help and returns to the Island to rescue Claire and Aaron – and they live happily ever after.

    As for the time warp theories:

    Still haven’t heard a reasonable explanation for the Miami newspaper dateline being shown the same day (just an hour or so) after the plane crash. Assuming Ben did NOT somehow fabricate/alter the paper and remembering that immediately after the crash he sent Ethan and ? to go get the “lists”, then turned to Julliette and said “walk with me” . . . “we have time” – the next thing we saw was their viewing of the feed at Mikhail’s station. How could the paper have been published IMMEDIATELY following the crash ? I know that relates to an earlier thread, but it’s key to the overall time-warp theory.

  278. MKS says:

    [quote comment=”60476″]For those who love Charlie:

    Given the title of the season finale (Through the Looking Glass), my “vision” is that Charlie will somehow catch or throw those two ladies off guard and put himself into the “Star Trek like – transporter” that is down there and “beam” himself back to Portland, where he will emerge back in the “real world” at the compound where Julliette was drugged and “beamed” to the Island. What Charlie doesn’t know is that he should have been drugged (that’s why Richard & Ethan look “spaced out” from too mant trips) to endure the “ride” through the portal/wormhole and will emerge unconscious or asleep. This will be shown towards the end of the finale. Then, next season we will find out he has recovered and managed to escape the compound, gets help and returns to the Island to rescue Claire and Aaron – and they live happily ever after.

    As for the time warp theories:

    Still haven’t heard a reasonable explanation for the Miami newspaper dateline being shown the same day (just an hour or so) after the plane crash. Assuming Ben did NOT somehow fabricate/alter the paper and remembering that immediately after the crash he sent Ethan and ? to go get the “lists”, then turned to Julliette and said “walk with me” . . . “we have time” – the next thing we saw was their viewing of the feed at Mikhail’s station. How could the paper have been published IMMEDIATELY following the crash ? I know that relates to an earlier thread, but it’s key to the overall time-warp theory.[/quote]
    The only thing they showed was a paper from that date- newspapers are published every day. The paper itself said nothing about the plane having gone missing- that was in the live news feed. The news just showed stock footage of a plane with the headlines that the flight had gone missing. I don’t really see how that would not make sense.

  279. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”59975″]
    Also, regarding the comments about blowing up or cutting the cable instead of swimming down to flip the switch… the map said it was an “anchor cable” so it doesn’t appear that destroying the cable would disable the jamming device as it was simply an anchor.[/quote]
    I don’t think they mean “anchor” in the sense you’re thinking of. The LG station is pretty large, too large to rely on a relatively thin cable to prevent it from getting carried away with the current. Also, if it were strong enough, a cable like that would only prevent the station from moving AWAY FROM the island; the station would still be free to move towards the island or side to side. I would think this would make it difficult to dock a sub in the station. So, by “anchor cable” I think they mean more of an electrical/lifeline type of connection.

    Also, consider this exchange from “Enter 77”:

    Sayid: I noticed a series of thick wires as I walked around the station.

    Mikhail Bakunin: This is the hub. But they go underground to various stations all over the island.

    Sayid: And these cables…do any of them run into the ocean?

    Mikhail Bakunin: Yes. There is an underwater beacon that emits sonar pings to…help guide in the vessels.

    Sayid: By “vessels” you mean submarines?

    Mikhail Bakunin: Yes. The Initiative used one to bring us here. But I can imagine only that the Hostiles have either destroyed or commandeered it by now.

    I believe Mikhail was not lying about this, he just omitted the fact that the beacon was attached to an underwater station where the subs dock.

  280. roses12 says:

    [quote comment=”60415″]A few comments after watching this episode a second time

    3. One of my biggest pet peeves with this show is how they replay certain scenes, like in this episode, the scene with Karl running through the jungle and getting on the boat. I wish they wouldn’t do that. Sure, it was only 5 or 10 seconds or so, but I would much rather have had 5 or 10 more seconds of conversation between Ben & Alpert, or Ben & Alex, or Jack & Juliet, or Jack & Sayid, or…….
    quote]

    I think they deliberatly played this scene out to remind us that there are two islands not one. Karl needed to get on a boat to come to the island even though the last time we saw him with Kate and Sawyer he was on the losties side. But haven’t worked out the significance yet.

    and Why would Karl have been over with the others, I mean his life was in danger from Ben? spying? trying to contact Alex?

  281. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”60666″]
    I think they deliberatly played this scene out to remind us that there are two islands not one. Karl needed to get on a boat to come to the island even though the last time we saw him with Kate and Sawyer he was on the losties side. But haven’t worked out the significance yet.

    and Why would Karl have been over with the others, I mean his life was in danger from Ben? spying? trying to contact Alex?[/quote]

    I just figured Karl was staying close to the Others so he could see Alex. Also, she provided him with food, and maybe other things he might need.

    But, Karl, Alex, and the Others are still on the main island, the same island the Losties are on. Taking a boat was quicker than walking/running through the jungle and over mountains to get to the Losties’ camp. I understand that aspect. I just didn’t need to see those scenes twice.

  282. ok. this doesn’t pertain to this episode per se, BUT, i wanna know what you guys think about something:

    ep. 1 of season 3: ben and kate are dining on the beach, and she asks why he’s [doing nice things for her; giving her breakfast and making her wear a dress]. he replies “[something nice for you to remember]…because the next 2 weeks are going to be hell.”

    so where they planning something all along?!?!? why the 2-wk time frame?!?

    i’m guessing that they were planning for juliet to help them escape AND, thanks to lostpedia, i saw that 2 weeks would be day 82-ish…the same time as The Man From Tallahassee. were they planning TMFT all along?

    so what do you guys think, what was ben planning since that episode? am i reading too much into the “2 weeks” comment?
    and i can’t remember…did they already know that sun was pregnant?

  283. Seajam says:

    Shellonius, there is also the scene with Juliet and Ben in which they discuss activating the impant that was put in Claire way, way back by Ethan. That could move the plan to install Juliet with the Losties to a much earlier time frame. If the implant was designed to make Claire sick, which is what Ben and Juliet discuss, then it is worthless without Juliet there to look like a hero and earn trust.

  284. A.M. says:

    Here’s a theory of mine regarding what will happen to Charlie in the Looking Glass hatch: The women who captured him are former ‘lab rats’ used by Ben, Ethan, etc. in their fertility research. They managed to escape the Others and have found refuge in the Looking Glass; one of the only locations that the others have almost no acess to. When they heard Charlie, they went into attack mode and captured him. But Charlie has a way with words…and women. He will become friendly with his captors, and possibly offer to help them. This is purley a theory, but I thought I’d throw it out there.

  285. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”59387″]desmond desmond desmond (i luv sayin there names 3 times!). he is so confusing with Charlie! first he wants to save charlie, then he’s gonna let charlie die, then he changes his mind last minute & saves charlie. last night he’s gonna let charlie die, then last minute he’s like “i’ll take the bullet.” make up your mind dude! either save charlie or let him die!

    and i’m wondering if charlie would die at all, if des wouldn’t tell him or try to make it happen. the possible deaths always seem to be brought on by des, he never lets them play out by themselves. i really wish des wouldn’t have told charlie this week, & see if it would’ve happened anyways.

    how did jack find danielle? she always seems to be out in the middle of the jungle & hard to find. did he purposely get stuck in one of her traps so he could talk with danielle?

    jack has stolkholm syndrome. i can’t see him liking julliette any other way. when he first meets her he’s gonna kill her, and now he’s her best friend? no way is it anything else. thank u Other218 for bringin that up.[/quote]

    I’m wondering “why Charlie?” when it comes to Desmond. Is Charlie a bigger player in the events of the island than many of us have previuosly considered?

    Desmond’s incredible powers to date, have all revolved around Charlie’s survival. Other deaths and horrendous injuries have come and gone, without flashes.

    But Desmond keeps saving Charlie. Hmmm.

  286. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”60792″]Here’s a theory of mine regarding what will happen to Charlie in the Looking Glass hatch: The women who captured him are former ‘lab rats’ used by Ben, Ethan, etc. in their fertility research. They managed to escape the Others and have found refuge in the Looking Glass; one of the only locations that the others have almost no acess to. When they heard Charlie, they went into attack mode and captured him. But Charlie has a way with words…and women. He will become friendly with his captors, and possibly offer to help them. This is purley a theory, but I thought I’d throw it out there.[/quote]

    Juliet has had nine pregnant women die on her on the island. If she’s to be believed, she’s never been to the Looking Glass Hatch. I wonder if Jin, or other pregnant women, can survive pregnancy there?

  287. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”60415″]A few comments after watching this episode a second time:

    1. Near the beginning, after Charlie talks about openness, in reference to Jack’s time with the Others he says, “We weren’t out there playing football with them.” Maybe this is unimportant at this point, but it is another example of the characters discussing certain events off-screen (i.e., Sayid or Kate must have told the other Losties what they saw at the Barracks). One of the common criticisms of the show, especially earlier this season, has been, “Why don’t the characters tell each other what’s been happening?”

    2. RE: seajam (#195) and theorynut (#215) and whether or not Desmond’s vision was of a rescue helicopter….Desmond says he sees Claire and Aaron get on a helicopter and leave the island. Charlie asks, “A rescue helicopter?”, and Desmond nods his head. So Desmond never uttered the words “rescue helicopter”, but he confirmed that that is what he saw.

    3. One of my biggest pet peeves with this show is how they replay certain scenes, like in this episode, the scene with Karl running through the jungle and getting on the boat. I wish they wouldn’t do that. Sure, it was only 5 or 10 seconds or so, but I would much rather have had 5 or 10 more seconds of conversation between Ben & Alpert, or Ben & Alex, or Jack & Juliet, or Jack & Sayid, or…….

    4. RE: Harold’s comment (#241) about Naomi watching Charlie playing guitar in the flashback. A few other people have already stated that she was not in that scene, and I agree – none of the spectators look remotely like Naomi.

    5. The funniest line of the episode…after Karl arrives on the beach and tells them what Juliet is up to, Juliet says, “They know, Karl, but thanks!” I was cracking up – Elizabeth Mitchell delivered that perfectly, like she was sincerely grateful, even though Karl was ratting her out.

    6. Second funniest line, although I don’t think it was intended as the double entendre that I took it as: Rose to Bernard, “Let’s get you into something dark.”[/quote]

    Your point #5. Clearly association with Ben and the Others has honed intelligence skills (and kung fu skills) in Juliet.

    A part of me wonders if if Juliet isn’t still playing for the Others. Disclose enough truth to win over the Losties, then let Ben’s plan unfold. Ben may have seemed upset when he returned to camp. But perhaps he only truly trusts Juliet (knowing he’s losing control on folks like Tom and Richard).

    When she says, “they know Karl, but thanks” this reinforces their trust of her, and she seems to agree with what he’s saying, and she effectively kills any further communication on the subject of her being a “Spy!” as Karl exclaims.

    I don’t know why she would continue to work with Ben, but I have this nagging feeling that something remains suspicious. Is this all so the Others/Ben can learn the whereabouts of Danielle’s radio beacon??

    I’m starting to dig Juliet as a villain, so I hope I’m right. Can’t wait for finale.

  288. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”60809″][quote comment=”60792″]Here’s a theory of mine regarding what will happen to Charlie in the Looking Glass hatch: The women who captured him are former ‘lab rats’ used by Ben, Ethan, etc. in their fertility research. They managed to escape the Others and have found refuge in the Looking Glass; one of the only locations that the others have almost no acess to. When they heard Charlie, they went into attack mode and captured him. But Charlie has a way with words…and women. He will become friendly with his captors, and possibly offer to help them. This is purley a theory, but I thought I’d throw it out there.[/quote]

    Juliet has had nine pregnant women die on her on the island. If she’s to be believed, she’s never been to the Looking Glass Hatch. I wonder if Jin, or other pregnant women, can survive pregnancy there?[/quote]

    Sorry, LOL. Sun…

  289. Eric says:

    [quote comment=”59603″]I appreciate the “Alice in Wonderland” theories for “The Looking Glass”…..I wonder if it could have a different meaning…Here’s something kind of interesting…”The Looking Glass” is also an interactionist social concept. Interactionists want to understand each individual and how they act within society. Interactionist theory has grown in the latter half of the twentieth century, having its roots in America. It’s premise is that the individual has the power to change society and history from below, rather than being manipulated from above. In the world of sociology, it is a theory which studies individuals and how they act within society. “The Looking Glass Self” is a theory which is based on three principles: 1.We imagine how we must appear to others. 2.We imagine the judgment of that appearance. 3.We develop our self through the judgments of others. Some of the studies of this theory used children as the subjects. Two different conditions of the experiment were self-awareness manipulation and individuation manipulation. This is my first post–I’d be interested in feedback. Sorry if this has been mentioned before…..if it has, I haven’t seen it.[/quote]

    Very interesting. Might be a stretch to think the producers are versed on obscure teachings such as this (they at least seem to keep to things with mass exposure or understanding). But I definitely see how this could fit with the Ben story, and the Dharma folks applying these techniques but running into kids with telepathic abilities (Ben’s distaste for “Carrie” comes to mind).

    Good post!

  290. sayidrocks15 says:

    I just finished reading the latest posts, and several people have theories on why the Others are coming early…I thought it was becasue Mikhal told Ben about Naomi and Ben freaked out and said they would go sooner because Naomi was there??

    I definately don’t trust Juliet either, but I don’t think the Others are coming early because of her.

    Also, do we have a definative answer on whether or not Naomi was in Charlie’s flashback? It looked like her to me, but I don’t know how to check for sure? I guess we can’t because she was in the episode in other scenes also??

    PS-I HATED Juliet’s remark to Karl….. I felt like Juliet was just trying to discredit Karl by making it look like his information was already “old news”!!

  291. sayidrocks15 says:

    Eric-I had to re-read your comment about Ben hating the book Carrie to understand your meaning….could this mean Ben hates the book Carrie because he also has telekinesis powers and the book makes people with telekinesis powers look twisted?

    If Ben has telekinesis powers, could he have caused the events in Jacob’s cottage?

    Another Great Post!!!

  292. lost chicka says:

    1) i don’t think naomi was in the crowd watching charlie. the woman didn’t even look remotely like her. but hey, it wouldn’t be the first time i was wrong.

    2) if the brown haired woman in the LG with the rifle (or whatever it’s called.) is cassidy, sawyer’s ex. (and i think she is) i hope charlie tells her that sawyer’s there & she gets revenge. i’m one of those crazy ex-girlfriends & i’d luv to see cassidy be one. evil laugh. 😉

    3) shelonious & seajam i agree 190% with y’all. i think ben (& jacob?) have had a master plan before the losties had been on the island for a week.

    4) i’m so glad that rose & bernard are still alive and weren’t eaten by the monster. 🙂

    5) i REALLY don’t want charlie to die. i hope that he’ll somehow manage to stay alive.

  293. Ellie says:

    I posted this on another thread and I’m going to add & take away from my original post. I’ve been thinking about it so, I’ve thought about how it could play out for a while and set the show up for 3 more seasons. And for the record this is a THEORY.

    This is my big wacky theory on what the “Snake in the Box” might be. What I think will happen is this: A boat/plane/whatever comes to rescue them, or it looks like it’s coming to rescue them. We would be left with 2 huge questions: Who will leave the island & who will stay? and Are they really safe and off the island?.

    It would give the actors a chance to leave if they don’t wanna stay on for 3 more seasons and a big platform for the writers to play with. And as we all know Lost is very able to make the “should we stay or should we go?” question last for 1/2 a season if not 1 whole. There would also be the “are they really off the island and safe?” question to play with for a while too. And that would give the Losties a big connection to the outside world.

    After 3 months on the island I think that they are getting a bit attached. They think they want to go home to the real world, but when it’s time they won’t be able to. Like Richard said, “You never get tired of the view.” Something like that anyways.

    I’m just gonna put down the 2 big people who i think are going to stay, this time.

    Rose and Bernard. Bernard was desperate to get Rose’s cancer cured which is why they were in Australia. Rose’s cancer has apparently been cured on the island, so why would they want to go?

    They could be our Adam & Eve. They were found with a black rock and a white rock. Significant? I think so.

    And I think their is another couple who would want to leave. Sun and Jin. Sure, they wouldn’t be able to have kids off the island, but Sun might be able to live if she’s off the island. And if Sun would die on the island Jin would have all the more reason to leave.

  294. Wm I says:

    [quote comment=”60792″]Here’s a theory of mine regarding what will happen to Charlie in the Looking Glass hatch: The women who captured him are former ‘lab rats’ used by Ben, Ethan, etc. in their fertility research. They managed to escape the Others and have found refuge in the Looking Glass; one of the only locations that the others have almost no acess to. When they heard Charlie, they went into attack mode and captured him. But Charlie has a way with words…and women. He will become friendly with his captors, and possibly offer to help them. This is purley a theory, but I thought I’d throw it out there.[/quote]

    The Looking Glass is the portal/wormhole thru which Richard & Ethan come & go and by which Ben (w/ his father) and Julliette arrived on the Island. Charlie is now in the best position to go “Through the Looking Glass” (hence the title of the finale) back into the “real world”. The (blown up) sub was used to shuttle back & forth to the dock but now, the only way to go between the LG and the Island is to hold your breath and swim fast.
    I agree that the cable is merely an anchor cable to prevent the LG from drifting away if it were to break loose from its moorings.

  295. redbites says:

    when noami said to charlie ‘you having a laff’ reminded me of ricky gervais in extras..

    then barnard’s missus saying ‘let’s get you into something dark’

    quality humour as this was such a poor episode..

    ..but the ending was inspired. i was genuinely quite scared when the armed women appeared..

    i can’t wait for the finale. just make sure i avoid all the blogs so you lot don’t ruin it for us brits

  296. my post disappeared (moments ago!)

    lost chicka…the brunette’s not cassidy (according to lostpedia. but the blonde is michael emerson’s [ben’s] wife!).

    i agree that maybe the ladies down there are ex-dharmites who may befriend charlie.

    i wonder if michael and walt are down there…

  297. Toeknee says:

    [quote comment=”61220″]
    lost chicka…the brunette’s not cassidy (according to lostpedia. but the blonde is michael emerson’s [ben’s] wife!).
    [/quote]
    Actually, Michael Emerson’s wife played Emily, Ben’s mother, in TMBTC.

  298. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”61220″]my post disappeared (moments ago!)

    lost chicka…the brunette’s not cassidy (according to lostpedia. but the blonde is michael emerson’s [ben’s] wife!).

    i agree that maybe the ladies down there are ex-dharmites who may befriend charlie.

    i wonder if michael and walt are down there…[/quote]
    No, Michael Emersons wife is the woman who played Bens mom in TMBTC. The blonde in the LG hatch is a different woman.

  299. Meg says:

    Sorry Toeknee, took to long looking on lostpedia to make sure I was right. You beat me to it.

  300. whoops…you guys are right!

  301. good to know i’m not the only nerd/lost junkie!

    FIVE MORE HOURS!!!!

  302. Meg says:

    [quote comment=”61233″]good to know i’m not the only nerd/lost junkie![/quote]
    Nope, you’re not. Come tomorrow, I’m gonna have to get myself a life until January.

  303. the most productive thing i’ve done today (even though i’m at work) was make a new LOST shirt! (the dharma vintage one.)

    http://www.cafepress.com/shelloniusjunk/3001336

    are they gonna pull that “start the season in the winter” b.s. again?!?!

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